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Grahv Exitus Minmatar Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.09.01 04:07:00 - [1] The topic is pretty self-explanatory... I just got T2 laz0rs and have decided that I'd like to give the Crusader a chance. (I'm already a huge fan of the Malediction) I've got enough experience flying interceptors to know what to do and what not to do but I've never set foot into a that laser-packing sex-wagon. Since I've got no experience flying the 'Sader I screwed around in EFT a bit but couldn't find a setup that looked promising. Does anyone have any suggestions to help out a fledgling Crusader pilot? My first try at fitting the Crusader: [Crusader, Crusader] Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Heat Sink II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] What am I doing wrong?
SERGI MANESTI	Posted - 2008.09.01 04:14:00 - [2] you're playing the field to tight. amarr's good thing over other races in short range is that.. their short range isn't quite as short.. use locus extender rigs x2 and replace a nano for a tracking enhancer.. use scorce.. always. and get a disruptor
Annowyn Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.09.01 04:17:00 - [3] If you change your lows to 2x tracking enhancers and 2x speed mods, then add 2x locus coordinator rigs it will push your optimal up to around 15k.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.01 04:57:00 - [4] [Crusader, pulse] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Faint Warp Prohibitor I 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Energy Locus Coordinator I Energy Locus Coordinator I 17km optimal, about 100 dps, just over 6k/s, and has ridiculous (can hit while MWDing) tracking.
Koryvarn Infusion.	Posted - 2008.09.01 05:10:00 - [5] There are three schools of thought with regards to the 'Sader. The first one states that nano it to your eyeballs and you use Beams for staying out of web range. Good for gangs without EWAR. The second one states that you nano it to your eyeballs and use Pulses and engage in web range. Good for gangs with EWAR. The third school is all the rest. In my opinion, you ignore them Personally, I roll with this: [Crusader, Tackler] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Capacitor Power Relay II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Energy Locus Coordinator I Energy Locus Coordinator I Can perma run MWD + Tackle. Primary role after all. Can dish out 100 dps at 13km otherwise. Just pray they don't have overloaded Domi webs, or if praying isn't your thing, bring a falcon. If you don't want to use rigs, fit Dual Light Beams and use radio crystals instead, with T2 ammo or close range ammo if you end up engaging at close quarters. Also fun is fighting in a bubble with an x5 web instead of a point. Enemy ceptors are usually dead before they realise they're in trouble.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.09.01 21:30:00 - [6] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 01/09/2008 21:31:00 Originally by: Grahv Exitus The topic is pretty self-explanatory... I just got T2 laz0rs and have decided that I'd like to give the Crusader a chance. (I'm already a huge fan of the Malediction) I've got enough experience flying interceptors to know what to do and what not to do but I've never set foot into a that laser-packing sex-wagon. Since I've got no experience flying the 'Sader I screwed around in EFT a bit but couldn't find a setup that looked promising. Does anyone have any suggestions to help out a fledgling Crusader pilot? My first try at fitting the Crusader: [Crusader, Crusader] Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Heat Sink II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] What am I doing wrong? Actually youre not doing anything wrong. Your fit is fine really. If you want a really tailored fit you have to exactly know HOW you are going to fly it and against what. Your setup is cheap and ganks inties pretty well. Solid for anti inty work in messy fleet fights. Not so good as a tackler because of short point range and sub web range operation. The 17km pulse setup is allround good for soloing and is easy to use. Skill intense though, cap and speed wise. Generally the pulse setups are much better then beams. Id only suggest using beams if you are a poor noob and dont want to die all the time and have just started learning to fly the ship or if you are only out to solo t1 cruisers in it by slowly wearing them down.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.01 22:07:00 - [7] The medium range pulse-sader is a very difficult ship to fly without great skills and locus rigs like some other posters have suggested. Frankly, unless you do have those uber skills and the cash to be rigging a paper thin ship like the sader, I would go with a close range pulse fit or a long range beam fit, both of which are cheaper and easier to fly with low SP. For example: Beamsader (completely cap stable with the mwd and scram running): 2x Cap Power Relay 2x Overdrive 1x 1MN MWD 1x Warp Disruptor 4x Dual Light Beams w/ Radio Ganksader (high dps, poor mans Taranis): 1x Damage Control 1x Heat Sink 2x Overdrive 1x 1MN MWD 1x Scram 4x Dual Light Pulse w/ Multifreq
MalVortex Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.09.01 23:21:00 - [8] Edited by: MalVortex on 01/09/2008 23:21:55 Originally by: Terianna Eri [Crusader, pulse] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Faint Warp Prohibitor I 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Energy Locus Coordinator I Energy Locus Coordinator I 17km optimal, about 100 dps, just over 6k/s, and has ridiculous (can hit while MWDing) tracking. There is no other 'Sader setup as far as I'm concerned. edit: damn, get T2 warp disrupter instead of named. Scram out to lock range, CPU is fine.
Breakfast Shark	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Spectre3353 The medium range pulse-sader is a very difficult ship to fly without great skills and locus rigs like some other posters have suggested. Frankly, unless you do have those uber skills and the cash to be rigging a paper thin ship like the sader The pulse-sader only needs relevant support skills to IV in order to be flown decently. The locus rigs are cheap as dirt, you can build them for around 2mil a pop with newb industry character buying BPO and materials off the market.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Breakfast Shark Originally by: Spectre3353 The medium range pulse-sader is a very difficult ship to fly without great skills and locus rigs like some other posters have suggested. Frankly, unless you do have those uber skills and the cash to be rigging a paper thin ship like the sader The pulse-sader only needs relevant support skills to IV in order to be flown decently. The locus rigs are cheap as dirt, you can build them for around 2mil a pop with newb industry character buying BPO and materials off the market. You need your tracking/optimal/falloff gunnery skills to be IV (preferably V). Your cap skills also need to be great as you cannot run your mwd, scram and pulses with scorch for long before you're out of cap. Also, 4 mil on top of a ship that only costs 10-15mil IS a lot and most people do not construct their own rigs.

Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.02 02:30:00 - [11] Originally by: MalVortex Edited by: MalVortex on 01/09/2008 23:21:55 Originally by: Terianna Eri [Crusader, pulse] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Faint Warp Prohibitor I 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Energy Locus Coordinator I Energy Locus Coordinator I 17km optimal, about 100 dps, just over 6k/s, and has ridiculous (can hit while MWDing) tracking. There is no other 'Sader setup as far as I'm concerned. edit: damn, get T2 warp disrupter instead of named. Scram out to lock range, CPU is fine. CPU is fine, I think I have a faint one on there because it has the lowest cap use. Then again my skills have increased since then but still not enough to permarun everything - the t2 is probably better, but imho i don't think it'll make or break your setup =)
MalVortex Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.09.02 08:23:00 - [12] I figured thats why, and ran the numbers through EFT. You gain w/ level 5 skills, all of 5 seconds or so extra run time full operation. You'll never notice the cap usage difference on live.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.02 08:40:00 - [13] no tracking enhancers makes arvald sad
royal killer Amarr The Funkalistic	Posted - 2008.09.02 11:40:00 - [14] Edited by: royal killer on 02/09/2008 11:40:54 Is it me or does noone like to use Dual Light Beam Laser II's ? I know it doesn't have the pulses tracking, but they seemed to work well if I nano'd the hole thing up Edit: Cuz they don't leave that much space behind, you can fitt a T2 mwd and T2 scram IIRC.
Cmndr Griff Opinicus Operations	Posted - 2008.09.02 15:42:00 - [15] I had been playing about with 'sader setups for when I can finally fly them. The Iocus rig setup seems best, and you can fit a T2 Scram and T2 MWD on if you have AWU 4 and train up energy weapon rigging past 2. With my skills I will get 103 dps and 6033 in m/s, should be great fun. Yeah the rigs bump up the price but they keep me well out of web range so I see them as good value. Useful links: Jump-planner
Nora Baiden	Posted - 2008.09.02 16:57:00 - [16] Edited by: Nora Baiden on 02/09/2008 16:57:44 Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: MalVortex Edited by: MalVortex on 01/09/2008 23:21:55 Originally by: Terianna Eri [Crusader, pulse] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Faint Warp Prohibitor I 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Energy Locus Coordinator I Energy Locus Coordinator I 17km optimal, about 100 dps, just over 6k/s, and has ridiculous (can hit while MWDing) tracking. There is no other 'Sader setup as far as I'm concerned. edit: damn, get T2 warp disrupter instead of named. Scram out to lock range, CPU is fine. CPU is fine, I think I have a faint one on there because it has the lowest cap use. Then again my skills have increased since then but still not enough to permarun everything - the t2 is probably better, but imho i don't think it'll make or break your setup =) Change 1 tracking enchancer for capacitor power relay II and scram for tech II = win
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:49:00 - [17] Originally by: royal killer Edited by: royal killer on 02/09/2008 11:40:54 Is it me or does noone like to use Dual Light Beam Laser II's ? I know it doesn't have the pulses tracking, but they seemed to work well if I nano'd the hole thing up Edit: Cuz they don't leave that much space behind, you can fitt a T2 mwd and T2 scram IIRC. The problem of DLB is not really the tracking, its the pathetic damage that is teh sux. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Madla Mafia Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:09:00 - [18] Anyone ever use Medium Pulse Laser II's? I've been trying to see if I can come up with something decent, but they take up a lot of space, fittings wise.... ------------------------------------------ Amarr - getting screwed since 2005.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Madla Mafia Anyone ever use Medium Pulse Laser II's? I've been trying to see if I can come up with something decent, but they take up a lot of space, fittings wise.... Not worth it. You wont end up with more damage or range because you need fittings stuff. Its not worth fitting them, Ive tried already. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Annowyn Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:15:00 - [20] If you wanna use MPL T2s fit a gist afterburner instead of a MWD. Or you could most likely squeeze them on with a MWD if you use a centi/core MWD, as they take less PG. All else fails fit MAPCs in the lows til the guns fit, and downgrade other modules from T2 in order to free up CPU.

Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Annowyn If you wanna use MPL T2s fit a gist afterburner instead of a MWD. Or you could most likely squeeze them on with a MWD if you use a centi/core MWD, as they take less PG. All else fails fit MAPCs in the lows til the guns fit, and downgrade other modules from T2 in order to free up CPU. Problem is, as I said, that you gain nothing by doing that. Post any fit with mpl and I can show you a dlp fit that does basically the same or even better. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Annowyn Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.09.05 16:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Annowyn If you wanna use MPL T2s fit a gist afterburner instead of a MWD. Or you could most likely squeeze them on with a MWD if you use a centi/core MWD, as they take less PG. All else fails fit MAPCs in the lows til the guns fit, and downgrade other modules from T2 in order to free up CPU. Problem is, as I said, that you gain nothing by doing that. Post any fit with mpl and I can show you a dlp fit that does basically the same or even better. Don't get me wrong. I don't see a point to doing it either. Could maybe camp plexes or something, but that is about it.
Madla Mafia Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.05 18:36:00 - [23] Yeah, I just had some of those guns laying around, and tried to use them...but yeah. I'm gonna go get some Dual ones. ------------------------------------------ Amarr - getting screwed since 2005.
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.05 18:52:00 - [24] Wouldn't mediums be able to get more range out of scorch, enough to replace a tracking enhancer?
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.09.05 18:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Wouldn't mediums be able to get more range out of scorch, enough to replace a tracking enhancer? Yeah but the problem is that the same range with both fits the mpl fit ends up using up more grid/cpu. If i remember correctly. I once went all EFT warrior on this particular problem and I simply couldnt find any reason to fit mpl. Not for range nor damage advantage. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.05 19:04:00 - [26] WARNING: INCOMING THEORYCRAFT AND PROBABLY SHITTY FITS The problem really is that Medium pulse lasers use sooo much more grid and sooo much more CPU than DHPL, that you can't cram in anything that has a reasonable fitting requirement (more than 0-1) or fitting mods after a rack of MPL II, scram, and AB. Forget trying to fit it with a MWD, it'll never work. I just whipped up this... Quote: [Crusader, AB Test] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Small Armor Repairer II Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Adaptive Nano Plating II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Energy Collision Accelerator I [empty rig slot] Very very very tight fitting (needs implants), permaruns without the rep, 170-180 dps. Ooor you could fly this: Quote: [Crusader, gank?] Heat Sink II 100mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Warp Scrambler II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Or, something i might try flying since it's much easier to fit, has decent buffer, a rep, and good damage: This last one outdamages the MPL crusader considerably by the way. Quote: [Crusader, gank w/ab] Heat Sink II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I 1MN Afterburner II Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Energy Collision Accelerator I Energy Burst Aerator I Willing to bet though that the traditional MWD/24km/locus/TE/DLP scorch sader is still better though. __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Cmndr Griff Opinicus Operations	Posted - 2008.09.09 00:39:00 - [27] Wishing I had trained for one before, shitload of fun! Definitely drop the second tracking enhancer II for a CPR II if going for larger ships, it cost me a kill not doing so. Useful links: Jump-planner
Nahzgul Senate and People of Rome The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.09.10 22:12:00 - [28] I run this for inty V. inty work has a 15k range still and I'm pretty sure the mwd isn't needed I just got it for low cost. [Crusader, Pulse] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Heat Sink II Fourier Transform I Tracking Program Coreli C-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive Faint Warp Prohibitor I Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Energy Locus Coordinator I Energy Locus Coordinator I
Chienka Victory Not Vengeance SOLAR WING	Posted - 2008.09.10 23:08:00 - [29] I would also add given the dropping price on gistii-Bs, they're not a bad option for a more cap stable setup. Personally i've found it a whole lot easier to fly a pulse/beam crusader with a gistii-b MWD.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.11 07:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Chienka I would also add given the dropping price on gistii-Bs, they're not a bad option for a more cap stable setup. Personally i've found it a whole lot easier to fly a pulse/beam crusader with a gistii-b MWD. Given that crusader + 2x locus rigs is already more than 20 mil (plus another, say, 10-13 mil for all the modules and ammo), I support this suggestion. Lets you break 6.6k easy, too, with only 2 speed mods :) __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?

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