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0rch1d
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:34:00 -
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. . . without too many (passive) tank-related sacrifices so it can still solo Level 4s but faster?
Skills needed? Modules (BCU IIs I assume?)
Thanks! |
Boobiencia
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:35:00 -
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dont forget cargohold expanders for the loot |
Arvald
Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 01/09/2008 11:38:05
Originally by: 0rch1d . . . without too many (passive) tank-related sacrifices so it can still solo Level 4s but faster?
Skills needed? Modules (BCU IIs I assume?)
Thanks!
torp raven 800+ dps cruise raven 300-500 dps heavy missile drake with 3 bcu 350-450 dps heavy assault missile drake 400-600dps
these are with all t2 mods and nealy maxed missile skills |
The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 01/09/2008 11:46:29
Originally by: 0rch1d . . . without too many (passive) tank-related sacrifices so it can still solo Level 4s but faster?
Skills needed? Modules (BCU IIs I assume?)
Thanks!
buy a Nighthawk... |
Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:47:00 -
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Just no. A comparatively skilled Raven (cruise spec 4 vs heavy missile spec 4, etc) will always do tons more damage than a Drake, except vs smaller targets (which may be useful sometimes but generally a non issue with the Raven's superior drone capabilities). You must consider that the Raven has bonus to ALL damage types while the Drake only to Kinetic which simply destroys your idea unless all you ever want to kill is Guristas and Serpentis, but even then... you're looking at least a 25% or so better damage output from the Raven.
That being said a 3 BCU Drake still does respectable damage against NPCs, minus the loads of missiles that will be shot down by defenders. I transversal-tank mine which works pretty good. At least I've only needed to warp out when I make a mistake, never due to my setup . |
Red zeon
Caldari Circle of Shadows Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.01 12:16:00 -
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after long time of training the drake to kil those npc in 00 faster i did 430dps with the drake on heavy's. after getting bs to lvl3 and cruise to 3, i did about the same allready, and 10days later i did 500dps+ in the cruise raven (little pimped mission raven) but then consider i had the support skills pumped upp to decent with a big D.
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Savage Roar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.01 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret unless all you ever want to kill is Guristas and Serpentis
and EoM, ofcourse |
Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2008.09.01 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret Just no. A comparatively skilled Raven (cruise spec 4 vs heavy missile spec 4, etc) will always do tons more damage than a Drake, except vs smaller targets (which may be useful sometimes but generally a non issue with the Raven's superior drone capabilities). You must consider that the Raven has bonus to ALL damage types while the Drake only to Kinetic which simply destroys your idea unless all you ever want to kill is Guristas and Serpentis, but even then... you're looking at least a 25% or so better damage output from the Raven.
That being said a 3 BCU Drake still does respectable damage against NPCs, minus the loads of missiles that will be shot down by defenders. I transversal-tank mine which works pretty good. At least I've only needed to warp out when I make a mistake, never due to my setup .
+1. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.09.01 13:26:00 -
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I can't really say anything that's not been already said, except that you might want to switch to a Nighthawk Of course, if you're facing anything other than Guristas, Serpentis or EoM, the Raven wins hands down, no questions asked.
Not even the Nighthawk has anywhere close the raw DPS of a Cruise vanilla Raven, but it does handle all small targets so fast and at serious range, that you can apply your full DPS (drones included, which matter A LOT) on your larger targets when it matters... at the same time, the Raven usually handles the big targets WHILE the drones take care of the smaller threats, so you get in the end on most (kin-weak) missions a similar run time in a NH or a cruise Raven.
Just for comparison's sake, AT MY CURRENT SKILLS (which are heavily cruiser-class focused), I get this: Drake T2 launchers, x2 T2 damage mod : 407 DPS (325 scourge, 82 hobgoblins) ; 106m exp radius Nighthawk T2 launchers, x3 T2 damage mod : 483 DPS (401 scourge, 82 hobgoblins) ; 85m exp radius Raven arbalest, x3 T2 damage mod : 493 DPS (361 any damage type, 132 hammerheads) ; 255m exp radius
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.01 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Raven arbalest, x3 T2 damage mod : 493 DPS (361 any damage type, 132 hammerheads) ; 255m exp radius
My skills: Raven, Mine: 615 DPS (486 any damage type, 129 Hammerheads) ; 232.8 explosion radius
I'm really partial to the Raven. ;-)
-Liang |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.09.01 15:56:00 -
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Well, I'll get to T2 cruise launchers eventually, if only for my stealth bombers And BS skills... they'll sit at L4 for a long while before I consider L5 in any of them on this char.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.01 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T so you get in the end on most (kin-weak) missions a similar run time in a NH or a cruise Raven.
I've been experimenting a bit recently and that's pretty much my experience as well. I have maxed skills for cruise and HMs. For the price the Raven is the better ship. OTOH for the safety and relaxation factor the NH is the better ship.
You pays your money and you makes your choice |
Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.09.01 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Savage Roar
Originally by: Wet Ferret unless all you ever want to kill is Guristas and Serpentis
and EoM, ofcourse
The thing about EoM and those other odd factions are that you can't really choose to fight them, so it's not really relevant. I would have mentioned Mordu's as well if that were the case.
Unless there is a way, that I don't know of. I'd love to hear |
Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.09.01 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 01/09/2008 11:38:05
Originally by: 0rch1d . . . without too many (passive) tank-related sacrifices so it can still solo Level 4s but faster?
Skills needed? Modules (BCU IIs I assume?)
Thanks!
torp raven 800+ dps cruise raven 300-500 dps heavy missile drake with 3 bcu 350-450 dps heavy assault missile drake 400-600dps
these are with all t2 mods and nealy maxed missile skills
Hrmm a cruise raven with max skills should be over 600 DPS. Not to mention the upgrade to a CNR and then into a golem which with torps easily pushes 1k DPS. |
ZephyrLexx
Caldari Earth Federation Space Forces
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Posted - 2008.09.01 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kadoes Khan
Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 01/09/2008 11:38:05
Originally by: 0rch1d . . . without too many (passive) tank-related sacrifices so it can still solo Level 4s but faster?
Skills needed? Modules (BCU IIs I assume?)
Thanks!
torp raven 800+ dps cruise raven 300-500 dps heavy missile drake with 3 bcu 350-450 dps heavy assault missile drake 400-600dps
these are with all t2 mods and nealy maxed missile skills
Hrmm a cruise raven with max skills should be over 600 DPS. Not to mention the upgrade to a CNR and then into a golem which with torps easily pushes 1k DPS.
is "torp raven" does so much more dps than cruise missile raven, why do all loadouts have cruise missiles? are torps more expensive so people dont use them or something? what's the deal? |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.01 18:05:00 -
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Torps have limited range, and they need good skills + specific rigs to hit out to appropriate ranges.
You'll need javelin torps, which are kind of pricey, and the range is still limited around 60km or so. You also have to fit a painter and apply it before hitting Cruiser + below...
That said, a CNR with CN launchers/CN missiles/CN BCUs/t2 drones puts out about 800 DPS at 250km (- drones). For the most part, you dont have to worry about t2 missiles/range skills/range rigs/tank/PG/range/etc.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.01 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic For the most part, you dont have to worry about t2 missiles/range skills/range rigs/tank/PG/range/etc.
I have max range on my torp Raven.
-Liang |
slothe
Caldari Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.01 18:20:00 -
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equally matched skills i think its something like -
drake - raven - nighthawk - cnr
with heavy missiles / cruise |
Lord Jovial
Vashta Nerada Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.01 18:55:00 -
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don't about forget Golem |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.02 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: slothe equally matched skills i think its something like -
drake - raven - nighthawk - cnr
with heavy missiles / cruise
Yah..although I would put it as:
drake < raven < nighthawk < cnr/golem
It's hard to differentiate between the CNR/Golem. The latter is better if you can handle salvaging while fighting (I find it too easy to blow wrecks up by accident) and will be cheaper in ammo. |
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Lettorann
AMMO INC
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret The thing about EoM and those other odd factions are that you can't really choose to fight them, so it's not really relevant.
Caldari Navy lvl4 agents regularly give missions against EoM
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Arakidias
Murky Inc. Power Of 3
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Posted - 2008.09.03 09:18:00 -
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With a torpgolem and t2 range rigs you rarely need javelin torps, especially when running missions for amarr or minmatar agents. Most targets orbit just inside the torp range of 40km, which is also, conveniently, the tractorbeam range. 40km is, btw, the real, not theoretical range. I run missions for MIO and I rarely use more than a single rack of javelins for a mission, and often i use none at all.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Well, I'll get to T2 cruise launchers eventually, if only for my stealth bombers
Somehow I'm not sure it's worth it - fitting is tight so you might end up having to drop damage mod for fitting mod and lose any damage advantage over T1(and faction cruise is no worse then T2) _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
MineralOel Steuer
Amarr OP EC
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:42:00 -
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If you fit the Raven with Heavy Missile Launcher, then yes the Drake would make almost the same damage.
The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch.. |
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