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Savage Roar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:44:00 -
[1]
o/
First off, yes this is an alt.
Now, what I'd like to know is: my main is ready to train for a carrier. Has all the needed skills except the racial bs lvl5 and racial carrier skill. Capital tank, well, the prerequisites are met so it's just a question of training the capital skill.
What I'd like to know is, which is better:
Chimera, the Caldari shield tanker, or
Archon, the Amarr armour tanker.
EFT (yes I do still occasionally use it) suggests that the tank on both will be the same, or at least, to within 10%, so that's not really an issue. The damage, too, will be the same. Considering this, which one would you recommend? I like how both look, and price is about the same too... (please, please, don't say both...) |
Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:49:00 -
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I believe that the Chimera has a better solo tank. However, the Archon is a better choice if you are going to find yourself in gangs with other carriers, as you're much more likely to find people with remote armour repairers than shield ones, unless you know that your other gang-mates are all in Chimeras anyway. |
Kerdrak
3B Legio IX
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:53:00 -
[3]
Archon, because you could want to fly a Revelation later ;) |
Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.09.01 12:01:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Savage Roar
What I'd like to know is, which is better:
Chimera, the Caldari shield tanker, or
Archon, the Amarr armour tanker.
The Chimera can recharge POS shield, the Archon can't (well maybe it can rep small towers). For all other uses the Archon is likely better, as armor tanking yourself and having a bonus to remote armor rep range is more useful in most fleets. |
Savage Roar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.01 12:04:00 -
[5]
OK thanks guys, Archon it is then =)
I have no interest in POS's and who flies a solo carrier anyway lol? that's just suicidal... |
Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.01 12:16:00 -
[6]
Both have their ups and downs, but if you are absolutely certain you will not get to deal with POSes, take the archon. |
Lylyth
Gallente
Defcon One
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.01 13:06:00 -
[7]
Archon is best with low cost Fit (that is used for carrier), Chimera is better with officer fit (which is used for MS and not carrier)
So Archon > chimera
Wyvern > aeon |
Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.09.01 13:59:00 -
[8]
archonnnnn |
Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.09.01 14:09:00 -
[9]
brainless choise here. . . |
kyrv
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Posted - 2008.09.01 14:32:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky
brainless choise here. . .
Games are ment to be easy.. |
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.01 15:24:00 -
[11]
My big beef with the Chimera is that it's the only shield tanking carrier. This means you're screwed in gangs. :-/
-Liang |
Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.01 15:27:00 -
[12]
Edited by: Evanade on 01/09/2008 15:27:59
Originally by: Liang Nuren
My big beef with the Chimera is that it's the only shield tanking carrier. This means you're screwed in gangs. :-/
-Liang
Not nearly as much as people think. On average, more than 25% of carriers are chimeras and thanatos and nid also fit shield rr, usually one of both or sometimes 2 armour one shield.
Also telling people not to fly chimeras because you think there are few of them..is not helping in any way :P |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.01 15:28:00 -
[13]
Archon, easily. |
George Vanderbilt
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Posted - 2008.09.01 15:32:00 -
[14]
I didn't realize at first that the Chimera didn't get an armor range bonus and the archon didn't get a shield range bonus. Since both seem important to an inherently logistics oriented ship, I'm currently leaning towards the Thanatos. The Thanatos gets both shield and armor range rep bonuses with the fighter damage bonus thrown in for free. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.01 15:36:00 -
[15]
Originally by: George Vanderbilt
I didn't realize at first that the Chimera didn't get an armor range bonus and the archon didn't get a shield range bonus. Since both seem important to an inherently logistics oriented ship, I'm currently leaning towards the Thanatos. The Thanatos gets both shield and armor range rep bonuses with the fighter damage bonus thrown in for free.
You could go Niddy...  
-Liang |
Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.09.01 15:44:00 -
[16]
Originally by: George Vanderbilt
I didn't realize at first that the Chimera didn't get an armor range bonus and the archon didn't get a shield range bonus. Since both seem important to an inherently logistics oriented ship, I'm currently leaning towards the Thanatos. The Thanatos gets both shield and armor range rep bonuses with the fighter damage bonus thrown in for free.
Archons are ideal to feed cap to Nidhoggurs tbh. The Nidhoggur is more cap efficient wrt its remote repair but have a hard time producing as much cap as an Archon.
Amarr/Minmatar, a match made in heaven |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.01 15:46:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Evanade
Not nearly as much as people think. On average, more than 25% of carriers are chimeras and thanatos and nid also fit shield rr, usually one of both or sometimes 2 armour one shield.
Also telling people not to fly chimeras because you think there are few of them..is not helping in any way :P
What do you think of my Chimera?
[Chimera, Chimera RR - Armor]
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Speed
ECCM - Gravimetric II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb
Shadow Serpentis Large Plasma Smartbomb
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
-Liang |
Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.09.01 16:06:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
What do you think of my Chimera?
Needs an invuln. They get all happy when it enters armor and then they don't understand why it doesn't die
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.01 16:07:00 -
[19]
lacks dps tbh |
Mona X
Caldari
Polish Task Forces
C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.09.01 20:08:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Lylyth
Archon is best with low cost Fit (that is used for carrier), Chimera is better with officer fit (which is used for MS and not carrier)
So Archon > chimera
Wyvern > aeon
Wyverns are cursed so Wyvern < aeon. :)
Originally by: George Vanderbilt
The Thanatos gets both shield and armor range rep bonuses with the fighter damage bonus thrown in for free.
It's not free. That quite useless bonus costs you armor resistances, so welcome to the world of being primary. :)
Every
single
time. |
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Helen
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.01 20:58:00 -
[21]
Fly both its what I did.
Also helps when you have trained pretty much anything you can be arsed to train!
Gallente Carrier 5 next!
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.09.01 21:38:00 -
[22]
Edited by: Felix Dzerzhinsky on 01/09/2008 21:40:47
Originally by: Mona X
It's not free. That quite useless bonus costs you armor resistances, so welcome to the world of being primary. :)
Every
single
time.
After the Nidd that is. . .
my main gripe about the Chimera and especially the Wyvern is that the 'ideal' fittings are stupidly overpriced. Compairing the prices of faction/officer armor to shield mods makes me cry. So I save my pennies in thhe hopes that the prices drop further - which will not happen anytime soon. |
Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.02 05:30:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky
Edited by: Felix Dzerzhinsky on 01/09/2008 21:40:47
Originally by: Mona X
It's not free. That quite useless bonus costs you armor resistances, so welcome to the world of being primary. :)
Every
single
time.
After the Nidd that is. . .
my main gripe about the Chimera and especially the Wyvern is that the 'ideal' fittings are stupidly overpriced. Compairing the prices of faction/officer armor to shield mods makes me cry. So I save my pennies in thhe hopes that the prices drop further - which will not happen anytime soon.
Depends, if you're talking about pdu's then you're on the wrong track ;) |
Astral Trader
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Posted - 2008.09.02 15:04:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Mona X
Originally by: Lylyth
Archon is best with low cost Fit (that is used for carrier), Chimera is better with officer fit (which is used for MS and not carrier)
So Archon > chimera
Wyvern > aeon
Wyverns are cursed so Wyvern < aeon. :)
Originally by: George Vanderbilt
The Thanatos gets both shield and armor range rep bonuses with the fighter damage bonus thrown in for free.
It's not free. That quite useless bonus costs you armor resistances, so welcome to the world of being primary. :)
Every
single
time.
Agreed - the amount of times I have been primaried in my Archon, for them to hit armour, take about 60 seconds to think about it then shift over to the nearest Thanatos, well i've simply lost count lol.
Carrier 5 + Archon =
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2008.09.02 16:22:00 -
[25]
In a manner of speaking, all of the carriers have bonuses to remote repping.
Nidhogger has an amount bouns so it can rep faster.
Archon and Chimera have tank bonuses so they can rep longer.
Thanatos has a damage bonus so it needs to rep for less time.
Granted, that last one is a huge stretch, but at least it 'fits' in with the other carriers in its own inefficient manner.
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Savage Roar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:24:00 -
[26]
so tl;dr version is really really go for archon. good.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:28:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Savage Roar
so tl;dr version is really really go for archon. good.
with a few exceptions (like pos repping) yes
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sok alt - main got banzored |
Rajere
No Trademark
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:47:00 -
[28]
even t2 fit, if both are setup purely for local tank the chimera tanks noticably more than the archon. All carriers but the archon get shield range bonus. All carriers but the chimera get the armor range bonus. Theoretically the Chimera would be better, but in reality the archon is due to the number of carriers who have cap remote armor vs cap remote shield mods fitted.
NOTR
How to Fail at Eve
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 14:37:00 -
[29]
Considering that:
Amarr battleships are fantastic
Amarr Dread is fantastic
Amarr Carrier is fantastic
Amarr Mothership is fantastic
Amarr Titan is fantastic
I'd say: if you are not training Amarr for your capital race, then you are making a huge mistake.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.09.03 14:40:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Evanade
Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky
Edited by: Felix Dzerzhinsky on 01/09/2008 21:40:47
Originally by: Mona X
It's not free. That quite useless bonus costs you armor resistances, so welcome to the world of being primary. :)
Every
single
time.
After the Nidd that is. . .
my main gripe about the Chimera and especially the Wyvern is that the 'ideal' fittings are stupidly overpriced. Compairing the prices of faction/officer armor to shield mods makes me cry. So I save my pennies in thhe hopes that the prices drop further - which will not happen anytime soon.
Depends, if you're talking about pdu's then you're on the wrong track ;)
Shhhh, I'm trying to keep the uber setups a little sekrit so the mission runners don't get Wyverns and make Caldari look bad. . .You have done enough damage as it is Sok. . .and we all know that Moms are getting shelved for Dreads these days anyway. . .saddly. Moms need a serious boost.
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GO BLUE!! |
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