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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.03 01:48:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Kin Dahl
**Complaint that he can't suicide gank anymore**
Actually, you can still suicide gank just fine.
As for casual, no effort, no cost suicide ganking, well, yeah, thats getting boned.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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saulia
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Posted - 2008.09.03 01:51:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Julietta
Originally by: Kin Dahl
Ive said this before, deep down inside I hope the subs fall, and maybe just maybe we will get that harsh dark world where you are all alone.
You HAVE got it, in the vast majority of systems - being all of those which are 0.4 or below.
Why do you insist that the people who DON'T want it, but are happy with a non-PvP area, should be forced out of the game entirely? Why are you so implacably opposed to a game which caters for both groups?
That's like asking a football team to accommodate players who only like non-contact sport. It can't be done. You can't play football when half of the players want to have you arrested if you tackle them.
Wrong analogy.
Eve is the playing field at the park.
High sec is flag football
lowsec school age tackle
and 0.0 is the paid players (pros, minors, fakers)
The funny part about gankers whining is that if CCP doesn't appear to try and make it safe for carebears and such.. yall Gankers will have nothing to gank. 
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.09.03 02:06:00 -
[153]
Yay to 50% tax on NPC corps!!! (Cap missions to Lvl 3 for NPC fallback corps, lvl 2 for NPC nuubcorps).
Now all they need is a per-characer war flag to keep corp-jumpers flagged for at least 1 war cycle and Eve will be fixed forever.
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Moirae Arachnea
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Posted - 2008.09.03 02:19:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Julietta
Originally by: Malcanis
That's like asking a football team to accommodate players who only like non-contact sport.
Which is incredibly easy. You have a game on one field where rough tackling's allowed, and a game on another field where it isn't.
We have 0.0 and lowsec space where anything goes, and highsec space where it doesn't. Why the problem?
*sigh*. For the thousandth time: because they're different zones on the same pitch with the same game being played. Is that truly so hard to understand? Are you really unaware of the fact that what happens in hi-sec has significant effects on lo-sec and 0.0?
Touch (flag) football -vs- full contact football. Same game different level of play. The fact is, you want to be able to be lawless with no consequences well sorry dude, that is not how life works, not even in an MMO. Besides, I engage in PvP everyday when I undercut some seller to make my profit, or corner a market nobody else in my area has thought to corner. PvP isn't always between ships. In the market, you will likely loose to me as you won't be looking at the game as I do. That is PvP MY way.
So long and thanks for all the fish...
MA
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Moirae Arachnea
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Posted - 2008.09.03 02:59:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Mr John22ta
Edited by: Mr John22ta on 02/09/2008 16:15:21
Edited by: Mr John22ta on 02/09/2008 16:12:30
Although I agree suicide ganking was too easy, the only reason that people got suicide ganked is because they pressed that uuto pilot button and walked away/read a book/surfed ****/whatever. If they actually took the time to play the game properly, took precautions, and paid attention, it wouldn't happen to them, it would happen to some other idiot.
Not so true. I have been suicide ganked twice while undocking in an EMPTY unfitted new blockade runner I had just purchased. Both times I was AT MY KEYBOARD AND NOT AFK. My cost? a fair bit of what isk I had, the gankers cost? not even a fraction of what it cost me because they got their ships back basically free of charge. I got mine back as well but Blockade Runners are expensive ships to replace and the insurance on them is next to worthless. The second ship I bought I purchased fittings to buff the shields and resists but still got ganked at undock, empty.
For myself... i'm glad the gankers got a slap in the face finally. and now have some REAL consequences to their actions. Eve is a harsh world you say? hmm yes it is, you can still gank my ship, but the reality is, you now have consequences and risk to the action instead of little consequences or risk as it stood before. Don't like that? Adapt or Die.
Now for those who are going to say i'm a carebear winge whine moan and want the game handed to me on easy mode... think of what your saying. You want ganking on easy mode. it's no longer on easy mode
gosh, it is now a cold harsh world for you as well. Can't handle it? Gee your upset the world got cold and harsh for you while still being cold and harsh for me.... but your ok with it being cold and harsh for me, your just ****ed it's now that way for you? Your logic and mental accrobatics is astounding, you should have signed up for the olympics.
I PVP with my ships when needed, I MINE when I have ships to build, I MIssion run when I need some LP and loot to sell and I run the market hard when I want to bury some other players market alt for daring to come to my area of space and try to flood my markets with his stuff (my favorite kind of PvP).
PvP is in the mind and eye of the beholder.
As they say: Adapt or Die.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.03 09:01:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Somealt Ofmine
[The sec in high-sec is, errr, high, m'kay?
If you're lookin' to gank folks there's a whole big universe waiting for you beyond those jumps into .4 where the sec is, well, not so high.
Exactly it's only "high", not "complete". The fact that I've been attacked once in high-sec (and I survived, in my mining-Osprey) shows that it's already "high" enough.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.03 09:05:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Moirae Arachnea
Originally by: Mr John22ta
Edited by: Mr John22ta on 02/09/2008 16:15:21
Edited by: Mr John22ta on 02/09/2008 16:12:30
Although I agree suicide ganking was too easy, the only reason that people got suicide ganked is because they pressed that uuto pilot button and walked away/read a book/surfed ****/whatever. If they actually took the time to play the game properly, took precautions, and paid attention, it wouldn't happen to them, it would happen to some other idiot.
Not so true. I have been suicide ganked twice while undocking in an EMPTY unfitted new blockade runner I had just purchased. Both times I was AT MY KEYBOARD AND NOT AFK. My cost? a fair bit of what isk I had, the gankers cost? not even a fraction of what it cost me because they got their ships back basically free of charge. I got mine back as well but Blockade Runners are expensive ships to replace and the insurance on them is next to worthless. The second ship I bought I purchased fittings to buff the shields and resists but still got ganked at undock, empty.
For myself... i'm glad the gankers got a slap in the face finally. and now have some REAL consequences to their actions. Eve is a harsh world you say? hmm yes it is, you can still gank my ship, but the reality is, you now have consequences and risk to the action instead of little consequences or risk as it stood before. Don't like that? Adapt or Die.
Now for those who are going to say i'm a carebear winge whine moan and want the game handed to me on easy mode... think of what your saying. You want ganking on easy mode. it's no longer on easy mode
gosh, it is now a cold harsh world for you as well. Can't handle it? Gee your upset the world got cold and harsh for you while still being cold and harsh for me.... but your ok with it being cold and harsh for me, your just ****ed it's now that way for you? Your logic and mental accrobatics is astounding, you should have signed up for the olympics.
I PVP with my ships when needed, I MINE when I have ships to build, I MIssion run when I need some LP and loot to sell and I run the market hard when I want to bury some other players market alt for daring to come to my area of space and try to flood my markets with his stuff (my favorite kind of PvP).
PvP is in the mind and eye of the beholder.
As they say: Adapt or Die.
The solution was to rebalance mineral prices and insurance, not to destroy a profession.
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SSteejans
El Corporation de Newbs
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Posted - 2008.09.03 09:52:00 -
[158]
Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
Most people who are called 'carebears' actually like the idea of that hint of danger too. The only problem is balancing the danger against the activities - why should someone be able to take away from me in 5 minutes what it took me 5 months to achieve? (For example)
because if it really took you 5 months of work, why would you be so fcking lazy that you cant haul the stuff manually? you HAVE to use autopilot while afk to move 5 months of work when you know people are out there looking for loot?
no one forces people to use autopilot to move stuff. using warp to zero and manually flying removes nearly all danger. fly like that in a tanked ship and youre virtually safe.
the way i see it, its like going through a bad neighborhood in a see through car with a giant stack of cash in the back.. and driving very slowly... sometimes stopping at a 7-11 to grab a hot dog and leaving the keys in the ignition, and the doors unlocked. its just plain dumb.
i almost never afk my main character in highsec unless its a shuttle, and even then if i wont be in game playing when he arrives, i wont do it, and thats just due to having a few killrights from pirating in lowsec. its a risk that i know is my full responsibility to protect myself from, and i do.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:24:00 -
[159]
Originally by: SSteejans
Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
Most people who are called 'carebears' actually like the idea of that hint of danger too. The only problem is balancing the danger against the activities - why should someone be able to take away from me in 5 minutes what it took me 5 months to achieve? (For example)
because if it really took you 5 months of work, why would you be so fcking lazy that you cant haul the stuff manually? you HAVE to use autopilot while afk to move 5 months of work when you know people are out there looking for loot?
no one forces people to use autopilot to move stuff. using warp to zero and manually flying removes nearly all danger. fly like that in a tanked ship and youre virtually safe.
the way i see it, its like going through a bad neighborhood in a see through car with a giant stack of cash in the back.. and driving very slowly... sometimes stopping at a 7-11 to grab a hot dog and leaving the keys in the ignition, and the doors unlocked. its just plain dumb.
i almost never afk my main character in highsec unless its a shuttle, and even then if i wont be in game playing when he arrives, i wont do it, and thats just due to having a few killrights from pirating in lowsec. its a risk that i know is my full responsibility to protect myself from, and i do.
Give it up, mate. I and others have spent the last year trying to bash it in to their thick heads that taking the smallest amount of effort to protect your stuff is a good idea. But apparently even that minimal responsibility is too much to ask.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:48:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 03/09/2008 10:49:02
Originally by: Malcanis
Give it up, mate. I and others have spent the last year trying to bash it in to their thick heads that taking the smallest amount of effort to protect your stuff is a good idea. But apparently even that minimal responsibility is too much to ask.
Indeed. I am constantly amazed why these people wouldnt take basic precautions. What is so difficulty about chosing the correct ship, fitting the correct mods, and actualy sitting at the keyboard and clicking buttons?
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Burn Mac
Minmatar
Burning Steel Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:49:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Tatsujin Koufu
You can pvp in low and null sec and I can pve in high sec...whats the problem?
(a) Anyone using the ISK they make in high-sec to fund their PvP (which is a LOT of people) is the problem.
(b) Anyone selling modules obtained through PvE and competing with people trying to do business in low-sec/0.0 while being completely immune is the problem.
(c) Anyone buying modules and ships by ISK obtained through PvE and competing with low-sec/0.0 people for the same items while being completely immune printing ISK in high-sec is the problem.
The problem is, basically, that EvE isn't two separate games.
If you want a typical 'safe zone' which other MMOs have, then let's remove everything except L1/L2 (debatable) missions from high-sec, every ore except Veldspar (meaning, ice, etc, too), remove high-sec POSes, and cut the number of research&production slots in half. Then you can have a nice starter zone with no PvP at all. Fair enough?
Why didnt the thread end here?
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.09.03 11:00:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Burn Mac
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Tatsujin Koufu
You can pvp in low and null sec and I can pve in high sec...whats the problem?
(a) Anyone using the ISK they make in high-sec to fund their PvP (which is a LOT of people) is the problem.
(b) Anyone selling modules obtained through PvE and competing with people trying to do business in low-sec/0.0 while being completely immune is the problem.
(c) Anyone buying modules and ships by ISK obtained through PvE and competing with low-sec/0.0 people for the same items while being completely immune printing ISK in high-sec is the problem.
The problem is, basically, that EvE isn't two separate games.
If you want a typical 'safe zone' which other MMOs have, then let's remove everything except L1/L2 (debatable) missions from high-sec, every ore except Veldspar (meaning, ice, etc, too), remove high-sec POSes, and cut the number of research&production slots in half. Then you can have a nice starter zone with no PvP at all. Fair enough?
Why didnt the thread end here?
Because all that straw is a fire hazard. 
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.09.03 11:35:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Originally by: Burn Mac
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Tatsujin Koufu
You can pvp in low and null sec and I can pve in high sec...whats the problem?
(a) Anyone using the ISK they make in high-sec to fund their PvP (which is a LOT of people) is the problem.
(b) Anyone selling modules obtained through PvE and competing with people trying to do business in low-sec/0.0 while being completely immune is the problem.
(c) Anyone buying modules and ships by ISK obtained through PvE and competing with low-sec/0.0 people for the same items while being completely immune printing ISK in high-sec is the problem.
The problem is, basically, that EvE isn't two separate games.
If you want a typical 'safe zone' which other MMOs have, then let's remove everything except L1/L2 (debatable) missions from high-sec, every ore except Veldspar (meaning, ice, etc, too), remove high-sec POSes, and cut the number of research&production slots in half. Then you can have a nice starter zone with no PvP at all. Fair enough?
Why didnt the thread end here?
Because all that straw is a fire hazard.
Are you saying it's a straw man? In that case, explain yourself.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2008.09.03 11:38:00 -
[164]
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.03 11:44:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Burn Mac
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Tatsujin Koufu
You can pvp in low and null sec and I can pve in high sec...whats the problem?
(a) Anyone using the ISK they make in high-sec to fund their PvP (which is a LOT of people) is the problem.
(b) Anyone selling modules obtained through PvE and competing with people trying to do business in low-sec/0.0 while being completely immune is the problem.
(c) Anyone buying modules and ships by ISK obtained through PvE and competing with low-sec/0.0 people for the same items while being completely immune printing ISK in high-sec is the problem.
The problem is, basically, that EvE isn't two separate games.
If you want a typical 'safe zone' which other MMOs have, then let's remove everything except L1/L2 (debatable) missions from high-sec, every ore except Veldspar (meaning, ice, etc, too), remove high-sec POSes, and cut the number of research&production slots in half. Then you can have a nice starter zone with no PvP at all. Fair enough?
Why didnt the thread end here?
Because some people have so little self-respect that they'll deny the evident facts rather than lose the smallest amount of safety or profit in a video game.
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.09.03 11:47:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Because all that straw is a fire hazard.
Are you saying it's a straw man? In that case, explain yourself.
Self evident doesn't work for you?
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.03 11:53:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Julietta
Why are you so implacably opposed to a game which caters for both groups?
This.
If you don't like the nerfs that the patch has brought in, play in lowsec and 0.0 but I guess that means shooting at people who are going to shoot back doesn't it?
They call industrialists carebears, seems like the suicide gankers are the real carebears here since they only pick on the easy, soft targets. They'd probably wet themselves and run screaming to mommy if someone ever fired back at them.
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.09.03 11:56:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Self evident doesn't work for you?
But it's not self evident. You're going to have to explain why it's a straw man, I'm afraid. No one agrees with you, so you'de better make it good.
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.09.03 11:58:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Originally by: Julietta
Why are you so implacably opposed to a game which caters for both groups?
This.
If you don't like the nerfs that the patch has brought in, play in lowsec and 0.0 but I guess that means shooting at people who are going to shoot back doesn't it?
They call industrialists carebears, seems like the suicide gankers are the real carebears here since they only pick on the easy, soft targets. They'd probably wet themselves and run screaming to mommy if someone ever fired back at them.
Why is it so hard for people like you to understand that Eve is a game with full PvP? There's no "pvp-areas" or 'battlegrounds'. There is one universe and PvP can happen everywhere. Everything anyone does affects everyone else. That's why it's so important NOT to have a PvP-free zone.
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:01:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Self evident doesn't work for you?
But it's not self evident. You're going to have to explain why it's a straw man, I'm afraid. No one agrees with you, so you'de better make it good.
Please, you, (as well as all those you claim do not agree with me), are more intellegent than this. Read the statements again, here they are:
Quote:
(a) Anyone using the ISK they make in high-sec to fund their PvP (which is a LOT of people) is the problem.
(b) Anyone selling modules obtained through PvE and competing with people trying to do business in low-sec/0.0 while being completely immune is the problem.
(c) Anyone buying modules and ships by ISK obtained through PvE and competing with low-sec/0.0 people for the same items while being completely immune printing ISK in high-sec is the problem.
Self evident.
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:11:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Please, you, (as well as all those you claim do not agree with me), are more intellegent than this. Read the statements again, here they are:
Well, let's have a look then. See if we find any straw men hidden anywhere.
Quote:
(a) Anyone using the ISK they make in high-sec to fund their PvP (which is a LOT of people) is the problem.
Yes, these people are part of the problem. They treat low sec and 0.0 as battle grounds. No straw man in sight here.
Quote:
(b) Anyone selling modules obtained through PvE and competing with people trying to do business in low-sec/0.0 while being completely immune is the problem.
Yes, these peole engage in competition with none of the draw backs. In doing so they gain unfair advantages over people who don't live in high sec. Definately not a straw man. Let's see if we strike gold on the last one.
Quote:
(c) Anyone buying modules and ships by ISK obtained through PvE and competing with low-sec/0.0 people for the same items while being completely immune printing ISK in high-sec is the problem.
Yes, these people have an unfair advantage over people who are forced to take risks in their PvE activities. They gain unfair advantages, much like the others already listed. Well, would you look at that. No straw man here either.
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Self evident.
Not really. Perhaps you where trying to say that nerfing lvl 4 missions would aid isk farmers as people who used to run missions to fund their GTCs would instead buy isk to fund their GTCs? I mean, that line of argumentation worked out so well for you.
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:24:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Please, you, (as well as all those you claim do not agree with me), are more intellegent than this. Read the statements again, here they are:
Well, let's have a look then. See if we find any straw men hidden anywhere.
Quote:
(a) Anyone using the ISK they make in high-sec to fund their PvP (which is a LOT of people) is the problem.
Yes, these people are part of the problem. They treat low sec and 0.0 as battle grounds. No straw man in sight here.
Quote:
(b) Anyone selling modules obtained through PvE and competing with people trying to do business in low-sec/0.0 while being completely immune is the problem.
Yes, these peole engage in competition with none of the draw backs. In doing so they gain unfair advantages over people who don't live in high sec. Definately not a straw man. Let's see if we strike gold on the last one.
Quote:
(c) Anyone buying modules and ships by ISK obtained through PvE and competing with low-sec/0.0 people for the same items while being completely immune printing ISK in high-sec is the problem.
Yes, these people have an unfair advantage over people who are forced to take risks in their PvE activities. They gain unfair advantages, much like the others already listed. Well, would you look at that. No straw man here either.
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Self evident.
Not really. Perhaps you where trying to say that nerfing lvl 4 missions would aid isk farmers as people who used to run missions to fund their GTCs would instead buy isk to fund their GTCs? I mean, that line of argumentation worked out so well for you.
Reducing earning potential in hi-sec would be nothing but a net plus to ISK farmers. Correct.
As I said, self evident:
(a) Almost all players, (except possibly hermits), in one way or another, make hi-sec ISK. As soon as you popped an officer spawn and rushed to Jita to put it on the market, you became one of them.
(b) There is no area in EvE, except for docked at a station, where a player is "completely immune".
(c) Unless you are manufacturing T1 or T2 items, (even then, resources needed are also a result of PvE, whether through NPC drops or things like roids/moons, etc), all other modules, (named, faction, complex, officer), in game come as a result of some form of PvE.
Of course, once again, there is no place in EvE, except docked, where a player is "completely immune".
Self evident...
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:32:00 -
[173]
I see you still have a hard time differentiating "PvE with competition" and "PvE without competition".
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Reducing earning potential in hi-sec would be nothing but a net plus to ISK farmers. Correct.
It's nice that you are still trying to save that silly argument of yours. You made a blunder. Shut up about it and hope noone finds out.
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
(a) Almost all players, (except possibly hermits), in one way or another, make hi-sec ISK. As soon as you popped an officer spawn and rushed to Jita to put it on the market, you became one of them.
That officer spawn was bagged in a competitive environment. High sec missions are not a competitive environment. Still not a straw man.
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
(b) There is no area in EvE, except for docked at a station, where a player is "completely immune".
There is also a difference between "virtually immune" and "completely immune", but that difference is academic. When applying both terms to everyday game play in Eve, 'virtually' and 'completely' merge. Still no straw man.
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
(c) Unless you are manufacturing T1 or T2 items, (even then, resources needed are also a result of PvE, whether through NPC drops or things like roids/moons, etc), all other modules, (named, faction, complex, officer), in game come as a result of some form of PvE.
Of course, once again, there is no place in EvE, except docked, where a player is "completely immune".
I think my answers to points (a) and (b) answers this load of dung. No straw man in sight.
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Self evident...
If you're an idiot you might be able to find straw men in the quoted argument. I still have hopes that you're not an idiot.
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:36:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Ki An
I see you still have a hard time differentiating "PvE with competition" and "PvE without competition".
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Reducing earning potential in hi-sec would be nothing but a net plus to ISK farmers. Correct.
It's nice that you are still trying to save that silly argument of yours. You made a blunder. Shut up about it and hope noone finds out.
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
(a) Almost all players, (except possibly hermits), in one way or another, make hi-sec ISK. As soon as you popped an officer spawn and rushed to Jita to put it on the market, you became one of them.
That officer spawn was bagged in a competitive environment. High sec missions are not a competitive environment. Still not a straw man.
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
(b) There is no area in EvE, except for docked at a station, where a player is "completely immune".
There is also a difference between "virtually immune" and "completely immune", but that difference is academic. When applying both terms to everyday game play in Eve, 'virtually' and 'completely' merge. Still no straw man.
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
(c) Unless you are manufacturing T1 or T2 items, (even then, resources needed are also a result of PvE, whether through NPC drops or things like roids/moons, etc), all other modules, (named, faction, complex, officer), in game come as a result of some form of PvE.
Of course, once again, there is no place in EvE, except docked, where a player is "completely immune".
I think my answers to points (a) and (b) answers this load of dung. No straw man in sight.
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Self evident...
If you're an idiot you might be able to find straw men in the quoted argument. I still have hopes that you're not an idiot.
Your twisting doesn't make the straw any less flammable.
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:37:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Your twisting doesn't make the straw any less flammable.
Just because you keep telling yourself it's a straw man doesn't make it so.
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:41:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
Your twisting doesn't make the straw any less flammable.
Just because you keep telling yourself it's a straw man doesn't make it so.
True, but that fact that it is a straw man, in fact, does...
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:42:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
True, but that fact that it is a straw man, in fact, does...
Are we going to continue this "I know you are but what am I?" or are you going to demonstrate why it is a straw man?
Or, my personal favorite, are you going to STFU?
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:43:00 -
[178]
Ki An you do not cease to amaze me, as a practically endless source of whining.
Can I have your stuff before you quit?
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:43:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Ki An you do not cease to amaze me, as a practically endless source of whining.
Can I have your stuff before you quit?
Why don't you go suck a donkey?
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:45:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Karii Ildarian
True, but that fact that it is a straw man, in fact, does...
Are we going to continue this "I know you are but what am I?" or are you going to demonstrate why it is a straw man?
Or, my personal favorite, are you going to STFU?
Would you like a tissue? 
Do you think that the market is, in fact, a form of PvP?
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