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Noelle Fay SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.09.12 10:43:00 - [151] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic blasters have crap tracking! oh wait! base tracking of... neutron blaster cannon: 0.0433 800mm repeating artillery: 0.0432 mega pulse laser: 0.03375 now siege missile launcher have no tracking but: base explo velocity 250, approach the raven with your mwd on and you take less dmg. You clearly forget that a large pulse shoots from a bit further out than a blaster.. and as you surely realize, the closer you are to your target, the more tracking you'd need. Boost Gallente! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke.
Omu Negru Caldari Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.12 15:07:00 - [152] Edited by: Omu Negru on 12/09/2008 15:08:33 Originally by: Noelle Fay Originally by: Cpt Cosmic blasters have crap tracking! oh wait! base tracking of... neutron blaster cannon: 0.0433 800mm repeating artillery: 0.0432 mega pulse laser: 0.03375 now siege missile launcher have no tracking but: base explo velocity 250, approach the raven with your mwd on and you take less dmg. You clearly forget that a large pulse shoots from a bit further out than a blaster.. and as you surely realize, the closer you are to your target, the more tracking you'd need. Boost Gallente! Yes. Boost tracking speed. It must be from 60% to 100% more higher. Why? becose.. wait. why dont YOU calculate the rad/sec of a ship with fix speed at different range? (4 - gallente - 15 amarr - etc) .
Gabriel Virtus	Posted - 2008.09.13 03:43:00 - [153] Boost Gallente! When CCP nerfs something, they dont remove its imbalance, they destroy it to all hell so no one in their right mind would ever even think about flying it again. Eos - needs 95 bandwidth - 5 heavies are overpowered, but 3 heavies + 2 mediums seems a bit more balanced with the dps of other command ships. A droneboat with dismal dps makes this ship never used again. Myrm - needs 95 bandwidth - same as the EOS. Not sure how this is a "droneboat" battlecruiser when a vexor can fly the same drone dps. Recons - Make our EWar somewhat balanced with all other races EWar? Lach and Arazu can disable maybe 1 target, while other recons can disable the entire gang. ECM I wont even mention because it is that ridiculous. Blasterboats - does anyone think its a bit funny that a missiles destroy things at close range while "short ranged" guns are almost helpless? Compare a blaster mega vs. a torp raven against.... anything and you will see the joke. It just gets worse as the target gets smaller. Boost Gallente and stop the racism! Flame on -GV
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.13 04:03:00 - [154] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2008 04:04:03 Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Blasterboats - does anyone think its a bit funny that a missiles destroy things at close range while "short ranged" guns are almost helpless? Compare a blaster mega vs. a torp raven against.... anything and you will see the joke. It just gets worse as the target gets smaller. Boost Gallente and stop the racism! Flame on -GV LOL, i have one thing to say to you. Use a good t2 setup instead of all the junk setups that insta fail. It's the same for the Tempest, so many fails at fitting a Tempest with a good setup today that it's just amazing how stupid peoples can be. My Tempest setup is pretty dangerous to Raven pilots. But then, if i meet a very skilled and a pretty nice fitted Raven, then i might not be able to kill him. But how many pilots like that do you see today?. Anyways. Those who says boost Gallente just fail at using their ships right. I can agree that if the web and speed nerf that was on sisi earlier hits TQ, then i can agree that Blasters and Autocannons need a little boost in tracking. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Gods Coldblood Aliastra	Posted - 2008.09.13 11:16:00 - [155] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2008 04:04:03 Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Blasterboats - does anyone think its a bit funny that a missiles destroy things at close range while "short ranged" guns are almost helpless? Compare a blaster mega vs. a torp raven against.... anything and you will see the joke. It just gets worse as the target gets smaller. Boost Gallente and stop the racism! Flame on -GV LOL, i have one thing to say to you. Use a good t2 setup instead of all the junk setups that insta fail. It's the same for the Tempest, so many fails at fitting a Tempest with a good setup today that it's just amazing how stupid peoples can be. My Tempest setup is pretty dangerous to Raven pilots. But then, if i meet a very skilled and a pretty nice fitted Raven, then i might not be able to kill him. But how many pilots like that do you see today?. Anyways. Those who says boost Gallente just fail at using their ships right. I can agree that if the web and speed nerf that was on sisi earlier hits TQ, then i can agree that Blasters and Autocannons need a little boost in tracking. My tracking on my blastheron if the patch goes through with the nerfs will actually be better than it is now lol I'm hoping it does go through , tho the mwd shutting off is where i think the biggest problem will lie for blaster ships ____________________________ My video Way of the Warrior : Gladiator
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.09.13 12:22:00 - [156] Originally by: Gods Coldblood Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2008 04:04:03 Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Blasterboats - does anyone think its a bit funny that a missiles destroy things at close range while "short ranged" guns are almost helpless? Compare a blaster mega vs. a torp raven against.... anything and you will see the joke. It just gets worse as the target gets smaller. Boost Gallente and stop the racism! Flame on -GV LOL, i have one thing to say to you. Use a good t2 setup instead of all the junk setups that insta fail. It's the same for the Tempest, so many fails at fitting a Tempest with a good setup today that it's just amazing how stupid peoples can be. My Tempest setup is pretty dangerous to Raven pilots. But then, if i meet a very skilled and a pretty nice fitted Raven, then i might not be able to kill him. But how many pilots like that do you see today?. Anyways. Those who says boost Gallente just fail at using their ships right. I can agree that if the web and speed nerf that was on sisi earlier hits TQ, then i can agree that Blasters and Autocannons need a little boost in tracking. My tracking on my blastheron if the patch goes through with the nerfs will actually be better than it is now lol I'm hoping it does go through , tho the mwd shutting off is where i think the biggest problem will lie for blaster ships Eh? You call cutting your effective tracking to a quarter of its current value a boost? -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Aedor	Posted - 2008.09.13 12:50:00 - [157] Edited by: Aedor on 13/09/2008 12:51:45 Signed! Gallentes are bad in everything now :( Blasters needs boost, i remember we were talking about that since the long long time ago... And personally i would suggest to replace Hyperion's armor repairer bonus with something else, like Armor Hitpoints or anything... --- Everyone is beatable.
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.13 16:40:00 - [158] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2008 16:40:31 Originally by: Aedor Edited by: Aedor on 13/09/2008 12:51:45 Signed! Gallentes are bad in everything now :( Blasters needs boost, i remember we were talking about that since the long long time ago... And personally i would suggest to replace Hyperion's armor repairer bonus with something else, like Armor Hitpoints or anything... Wow, you really don't have a clue on what your talking about. 1st, train more of your Gallente skills before you cry omgomgomg boost Gallente because i'm to damn lazy to train skills. 2nd, why are there mostly players on this topic without a corp showing or players in npc corps that cry boost Gallente?. Hmmm, does that tells me that most of you here don't have a ****ing clue on what your talking bullshit about. The Gallente battleships is not like just train some few basic skills to be able to use a Megathron with the basic fits and then think you can be god in PVP with the ship. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Grapez The Scope	Posted - 2008.09.13 16:43:00 - [159] Originally by: Aedor And personally I would suggest to replace Hyperion's armor repairer bonus with something else, like Armor Hitpoints or anything... In the concept phase, the Hyperion had a MWD-cap penalty bonus a lá the Thorax. Man, It would have been a lot cooler if it kept that bonus.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.13 17:19:00 - [160] Originally by: NightmareX 1st, train more of your Gallente skills before you cry omgomgomg boost Gallente because i'm to damn lazy to train skills. Is 30M SP enough to say "boost Gallente"? Quote: 2nd, why are there mostly players on this topic without a corp showing or players in npc corps that cry boost Gallente?. Hmmm, does that tells me that most of you here don't have a **ing clue on what your talking bullshit about. Just an FYI, but a sisi only PVP'er shouldn't tell people in NPC corps that they don't have a clue. Additionally, I myself was recently in an NPC corp for ~6 months... and I damn sure have a clue. Quote:** The Gallente battleships is not like just train some few basic skills to be able to use a Megathron with the basic fits and then think you can be god in PVP with the ship. So do you have more of a clue about how to use the Megathron than the Tempest? Oh, wait, let me guess: you thought the Apoc was totally fine before it got boosted. -Liang --

NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.13 21:43:00 - [161] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2008 21:44:14 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX 1st, train more of your Gallente skills before you cry omgomgomg boost Gallente because i'm to damn lazy to train skills. Is 30M SP enough to say "boost Gallente"? No, i have over 51 mill skillpoints in Minmatar and Gallente and i know who needs a boost or not. Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX 2nd, why are there mostly players on this topic without a corp showing or players in npc corps that cry boost Gallente?. Hmmm, does that tells me that most of you here don't have a **ing clue on what your talking bullshit about. Just an FYI, but a sisi only PVP'er shouldn't tell people in NPC corps that they don't have a clue. Additionally, I myself was recently in an NPC corp for ~6 months... and I damn sure have a clue. Well, but how many peoples like that is here now?, not many i can say for 100% sure. And about the sisi pvper. I think you have forgot to see the awesome 1 vs 1 fight i had against Gasi here on TQ some few weeks ago: LINK. Those who says i'm a sisi pvper now are soooooooo 2+ years ago. Originally by:** Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX The Gallente battleships is not like just train some few basic skills to be able to use a Megathron with the basic fits and then think you can be god in PVP with the ship. So do you have more of a clue about how to use the Megathron than the Tempest? Oh, wait, let me guess: you thought the Apoc was totally fine before it got boosted. I for sure have a clue on how to fly both the Megathron and Tempest. But i'm using Tempest atm. And no, i have never said i like Apoc. And will never say it either. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.13 21:56:00 - [162] Originally by: NightmareX No, i have over 51 mill skillpoints in Minmatar and Gallente and i know who needs a boost or not. I mentioned my 30M SP in response to this: Quote: 1st, train more of your Gallente skills before you cry omgomgomg boost Gallente because i'm to damn lazy to train skills. I HAVE trained the skills up. Boost Gallente, because I'm damn sure not having a problem with lacking skills. Oh, but I must be a total nubcake to not realize that I have a 20% damage advantage over a geddon if I land at my optimal range and nobody's moving. Seriously now, pirating with blasters is 10 kinds of ****ed. Half the time you jump with a target and he appears 45-50km away from you... sure as shootin my blasters are gonna get me top on that killmail. Get a **ing clue - the best way to PVP with blasters is to drop on top of an unsuspecting idiot in a safe spot. -Liang --
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.13 21:58:00 - [163] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/09/2008 21:58:11 Originally by: Liang Nuren Oh, but I must be a total nubcake to not realize that I have a 20% damage advantage over a geddon if I land at my optimal range and nobody's moving. While having less EHP, and if it's a MP II Geddon, you're talking about 6.9% more DPS You're totally royally screwed if you land at 0 of a Abbadon though. It'll tear you to shreds Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.13 22:09:00 - [164] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2008 22:09:54 Whatever Liang Nuren. The race that need to be boosted first is Minmatar IF there is a race that REALLY need to be fixed. Don't even think about touching Gallente ships before the Minmatar ships have been fixed to some points. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.13 22:12:00 - [165] Originally by: NightmareX ... Minmatar IF there is a race that REALLY need to be fixed... .385 says there is.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.13 22:28:00 - [166] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2008 22:09:54 Whatever Liang Nuren. The race that need to be boosted first is Minmatar IF there is a race that REALLY need to be fixed. Don't even think about touching Gallente ships before the Minmatar ships have been fixed to some points. What the bloody hell. I'm practically the poster child for reasonable arguments for boosting Minmatar and Gallente. There's nothing wrong with persuing a boost for both simultaneously. -Liang --
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.13 22:59:00 - [167] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2008 23:01:14 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/09/2008 22:09:54 Whatever Liang Nuren. The race that need to be boosted first is Minmatar IF there is a race that REALLY need to be fixed. Don't even think about touching Gallente ships before the Minmatar ships have been fixed to some points. What the bloody hell. I'm practically the poster child for reasonable arguments for boosting Minmatar and Gallente. There's nothing wrong with persuing a boost for both simultaneously. -Liang It really depends on what you want as a boost to Gallente. But still, Gallente doesn't need a boost atm. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.13 23:16:00 - [168] Originally by: NightmareX It really depends on what you want as a boost to Gallente. But still, Gallente doesn't need a boost atm. Right now, Gallente is dangerously weak compared to Amarr and Caldari. If the web nerf comes, I'd argue that they're probably worse off than Minmatar. Probably... it'd be pretty close tbh. In that event, the most likely (and reserved) buff is probably a buff to tracking. This would let ships such as the MegaT get their actual DPS up. The problem with that is that it still doesn't address things like the Raven and Geddon simply outperforming the Mega (and the Minnie BS's by fairly impressive margins). -Liang The most reasonable boost is a tracking boost to counter the coming web nerf. It'd probably not be such a hot idea if the web nerf doesn't make it to TQ. -Liang --
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.14 00:09:00 - [169] Edited by: NightmareX on 14/09/2008 00:10:06 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX It really depends on what you want as a boost to Gallente. But still, Gallente doesn't need a boost atm. Right now, Gallente is dangerously weak compared to Amarr and Caldari. LOL, seriously, have you ever seen what a really nice fitted Megathron + a very skilled Megathron pilot can do to a Raven or a Geddon, or a Tempest to?. If those ships get into that Mega's web range to a very experienced Megathron player, they melt really fast. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
LadyLubU2 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.14 00:27:00 - [170] Edited by: LadyLubU2 on 14/09/2008 00:30:34 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/09/2008 00:10:06 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX It really depends on what you want as a boost to Gallente. But still, Gallente doesn't need a boost atm. Right now, Gallente is dangerously weak compared to Amarr and Caldari. LOL, seriously, have you ever seen what a really nice fitted Megathron + a very skilled Megathron pilot can do to a Raven or a Geddon, or a Tempest to?. If those ships get into that Mega's web range to a very experienced Megathron player, they melt really fast. Do you actually get the whole point? After the nerfs hit TQ, battleships will be (relatively MUCH) slower and basicly it gets 4x harder for battleships to track a target (because of the web nerf). Not even to mention the fact an afterburning frigate with a scrambler (not disruptor) can keep you floating in space, outside of your targets range (since the only viable target for battleship sized guns are going to be other battleships/battlecruisers). This means, there is NO POINT in using a ship that deals 1.2k dps at 5km over a ship that deals 1k dps at ranges up to....35km? Just merely because its going to be a pain in the ass to get within your blasterrange like Liang said.

AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.14 00:31:00 - [171] Originally by: LadyLubU2 This means, there is NO POINT in using a ship that deals ~~1.2k~~ 1.3k dps at 5km over a ship that deals 1k 1.2k dps at ranges up to.... ~~35km~~ 30km?* Just merely because its going to be a pain in the ass to get within your blasterrange like Liang said. Fixed. * - 30 theoretical KM, unrigged/no imps. Comes out to about 26 actual KM, but you can sacrifice extender rigs for more range.
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.14 00:43:00 - [172] LadyLubU2, i'm not talking about IF the web and speed nerf hit TQ. i'm talking about now, like it is now. As the things is NOW, Gallente doesn't need to be boosted. But yeah, IF the web and speed nerf hit TQ, then all large guns need a boost to tracking, i can agree to that. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
LadyLubU2 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.09.14 01:55:00 - [173] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/09/2008 00:45:53 LadyLubU2, i'm not talking about IF the web and speed nerf hit TQ, i'm talking about now, like it is now. As the things is NOW, Gallente doesn't need to be boosted. But yeah, IF the web and speed nerf hit TQ, then all large guns need a boost to tracking, i can agree to that. I am sure this is the reason for the post actually, because the patch will arrive soon(tm)
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.14 10:56:00 - [174] Originally by: LadyLubU2 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/09/2008 00:45:53 LadyLubU2, i'm not talking about IF the web and speed nerf hit TQ, i'm talking about now, like it is now. As the things is NOW, Gallente doesn't need to be boosted. But yeah, IF the web and speed nerf hit TQ, then all large guns need a boost to tracking, i can agree to that. I am sure this is the reason for the post actually, because the patch will arrive soon(tm) But if that's the case, why only boost Gallente then? and not the others. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Gabriel Virtus	Posted - 2008.09.14 11:03:00 - [175] Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 14/09/2008 11:04:27 Originally by: NightmareX Anyways. Those who says boost Gallente just fail at using their ships right. I mean, it is cute the way you try and claim that anyone who complains about Gallente not being balanced just fails at using their own ships, but you are wrong. I am guessing you also claim anyone who says ECM is broken, just doesn't know how to counter it. (laugh) Kill a cruiser sized ship in a blasterthron. Then kill the same target in a torp raven. Torp raven destroys any sized target at <30km, the blasterthon cannot hit the target at any range with t2 or not. Do you even fly gallente? I am guessing not, otherwise you would shut up and sign the petition yourself. Originally by: NightmareX But if that's the case, why only boost Gallente then? and not the others. This might apply if this was a boost gallente, ___________, and _________, but it is not. Flame on -GV
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.14 11:35:00 - [176] Edited by: NightmareX on 14/09/2008 11:35:41 Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 14/09/2008 11:04:27 Originally by: NightmareX Anyways. Those who says boost Gallente just fail at using their ships right. I mean, it is cute the way you try and claim that anyone who complains about Gallente not being balanced just fails at using their own ships, but you are wrong. I am guessing you also claim anyone who says ECM is broken, just doesn't know how to counter it. (laugh) Kill a cruiser sized ship in a blasterthron. Then kill the same target in a torp raven. Torp raven destroys any sized target at <30km, the blasterthon cannot hit the target at any range with t2 or not. Do you even fly gallente? I am guessing not, otherwise you would shut up and sign the petition yourself. Originally by: NightmareX But if that's the case, why only boost Gallente then? and not the others. This might apply if this was a boost gallente, ___________, and _________, but it is not. Flame on -GV If you use the Gallente ships right, there is absolutely no problem with the ships. It's the same with the Tempest for example. All i see is that some newbcakes are crying that the ships sucks terribly, BECAUSE they sucks at using the ships like they are meant to be used. And no, even when a Raven can kill a cruiser fast at 30 km doesn't mean others have to do it either. Every race have their advantages over other ship races. And yeah, i think my 4 and a half year and 51+ mill SP in EVE can tell me what's good and what's not so good in EVE. I know what i'm talking about. What about you, you don't even know how to enable your corp name on this forum. How do you expect me to think that you know much in EVE then?. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Gabriel Virtus	Posted - 2008.09.14 11:38:00 - [177] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/09/2008 11:35:41 Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 14/09/2008 11:04:27 Originally by: NightmareX Anyways. Those who says boost Gallente just fail at using their ships right. I mean, it is cute the way you try and claim that anyone who complains about Gallente not being balanced just fails at using their own ships, but you are wrong. I am guessing you also claim anyone who says ECM is broken, just doesn't know how to counter it. (laugh) Kill a cruiser sized ship in a blasterthron. Then kill the same target in a torp raven. Torp raven destroys any sized target at <30km, the blasterthon cannot hit the target at any range with t2 or not. Do you even fly gallente? I am guessing not, otherwise you would shut up and sign the petition yourself. Originally by: NightmareX But if that's the case, why only boost Gallente then? and not the others. This might apply if this was a boost gallente, ___________, and _________, but it is not. Flame on -GV If you use the Gallente ships right, there is absolutely no problem with the ships. It's the same with the Tempest for example. All i see is that some newbcakes are crying that the ships sucks terribly, BECAUSE they sucks at using the ships like they are meant to be used. And no, even when a Raven can kill a cruiser fast at 30 km doesn't mean others have to do it either. Every race have their advantages over other ship races. And yeah, i think my 4 and a half year and 51+ mill SP in EVE can tell me what's good and what's not so good in EVE. I know what i'm talking about. What about you, you don't even know how to enable your corp name on this forum. How do you expect me to think that you know much in EVE then?. Clearly 4 years is not enough because you do not know what you are talking about. Generally, you would think, close range blasters should do more effective dps at their optimal than a torp raven at 30km. The boost in dps is given because their range is so short, but the Raven does more dps from 0-30km with absolutely no tracking issues. EFT dps means little. The point is that close range blasterships are being outdone by ships that can do what their niche is... better. Clearly, because their is no corp name on the forum, I have literally no idea what I am talking about. Rofl. Flame on -GV
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.09.14 11:49:00 - [178] I dont see an issue with large blasters not being able to hit cruisers, they should hit battlecruisers and battleships, not cruisers. Problem is that torp raven and geddon for example come very close to dps of megathron at point blank range, but can also shoot much further than megathron.
Taco Raptorian Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.14 11:57:00 - [179] How is "melting quite fast" compensating for the shortest range in the game and very cap-hungry guns barely able to track big targets (at least if the nerf goes live)? Others can melt targets quite ok too without most of those disadvantages. The difference just isn't large enough. Role or not. ---
NightmareX MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.09.14 12:10:00 - [180] Edited by: NightmareX on 14/09/2008 12:16:06 Edited by: NightmareX on 14/09/2008 12:10:48 Gabriel Virtus, so you mean that a Megathron that does over 200 DPS more than my Tempest at it's optimal range is not enough?. Gabriel Virtus, you seems to have no clue on what your talking about. And if your not stupid as you say you aren't, then why do you think we are talking about showing the corp names on the forum?, is it because you looks like a newb?. or is it because 96% of all players on this forum that doesn't have the corp name enabled here are alts or newbs?. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'

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