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Zilkin
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Evanade 11y/o and guns, and you think its a good idea? I think we disagree.
It's understandable for you to think that since your kind tend to be afraid of your own shadow, so much to the point that your even banning knives as they are horrible weapons of destruction.
But as you can see even an 11 yo girl does not fear the firearm. She understands it and it's capabilities and accepts responsibility for it. She learned about it and how to properly use it.
Oh the classic "if you don't get horny when you see a gun, you must be a wimp!" reply. The simple truth is that guns like AR-15 are made for killing people and I can guarantee you that no 11 year old can fully grasp that concept. And just to prove that your stereotypes donŠt have anything to do with the reality; IŠve used weapons much heavier than that AR-15. |
Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ren Surkova
Originally by: Ruze
Did you miss the 'there's nothing sexual about kids' part?
my bad, so its just a girl playing with a gun, no sexual stuff, oh wait that's still ****ed up
Originally by: Ruze
By the way, I don't appreciate your racists comments. Please keep them out of the forums.
what racist comments? are gun nut survivalists a race now?
The 'jew conspiracy' comment was entirely racist, and religious hate as well.
The fact is, it's all in how you are raised. I was raised to appreciate firearms for the destructive force they are. Not to be afraid of them, but to respect them. The subtle difference is that the potential to do horrible things are there. It's the same respect I have for a pitt bull, or a car, or a baseball bat.
However, I'm AFRAID of human beings. Because those are the true evil. They have proven through centuries of existence to be both ignorant and irrational. It's posters like yourself, and the comments you have just made, that is the true evil. People like you take as many lives or more with your evil and perverted propaganda, as any psychopath.
It's when someone who has no respect for weapons or life, some little 13 year old punk who thinks life is horrible and hates his father cause he has *gasp* yells at him, and decides to kill a slew of kids in his school?
Yeah, those are the ones you should be scared of. Not some 11 year old girl who's probably been trained to handle and respect a firearm, a lethal weapon and effective self-defense tool, from a very young age.
There's something to be said for good parenting, and removing naivety is about as good as parenting gets.
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fairimear
Gallente S.A.S Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 02/09/2008 20:45:50 Not hugely impressive tbh. Consider that the mind of a 11 year old is far more suited to leaning this and is far better at remembering the required order. Its not at all surprising. The shock value is related to the fact that it's a weapon but to be frank she's no more impressive doing that opposed to solving a rubix cube in the end its in fact just pieces of a puzzle for the mind to solve on a time trial.
I would speculate that her nimble and small hands would be helpful to.
She's probably aware of its purpose and its danger. She would have no more benefit from knowing this as to it equipping her mentally to take a life.
I would be more concerned if it was a vid of her using a sling shot against human shaped paper targets tbh.
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Kephael
Caldari LEAP Corp Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kephael on 02/09/2008 20:45:35 Edited by: Kephael on 02/09/2008 20:44:43 Edited by: Kephael on 02/09/2008 20:44:06
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Oh the classic "if you don't get horny when you see a gun, you must be a wimp!" reply. The simple truth is that guns like AR-15 are made for killing people and I can guarantee you that no 11 year old can fully grasp that concept. And just to prove that your stereotypes donŠt have anything to do with the reality; IŠve used weapons much heavier than that AR-15.
None of my guns have hurt anyone but me, I've had some hot, spent brass go down my shirt a few times. The AR-15 is an excellent, modern gun for target shooting and hunting, I intend to purchase an Armalite AR-10 for long range shooting and maybe to start hunting. Considering firearms like the AR-15 were used in less than one percent of firearms related crimes (most firearms related crime is felon on felon violence) prior to the 1994 ban, I'd say they're less dangerous than say a concealable revolver. You can spot the man carrying a rifle a mile away, but the pistol in a pocket is not so easy to see.
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Ren Surkova
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Ren Surkova
we're part of the jew consipracy go start a militia over it
Aaaand reported. I warned you already Ren.
I'd also ask everyone else to report Ren Surkova. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with me personally, Ren's trolling has gone too far.
Ren, I've asked the mods to clear this thread of your comments, and to consider a forum vacation for you. I don't know if they will do it, but you've certainly earned it.
by the time that ban comes through tranquility will be up and I will care even less about you people and your toys
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Evanade 11y/o and guns, and you think its a good idea? I think we disagree.
Well we think not. It takes many to make the world go round.
Teach them young and you teach them responsibility. Typically the people shooting others in the States have not taken a gun safety or hunting safety course. This girl probably has.
Slade
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Sodium Phosphate
Gallente Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear Not hugely impressive tbh. Consider that the mind of a 11 year old is far more suited to leaning this and is far better at remembering the required order. Its not at all surprising the shock value is related to the fact that it's a weapon but to be frank she's no more impressive doing that opposed to solving a rubix cube.
I would speculate that her nimble and small hands would be helpful to.
I'd still call it impressive, not that learning how to use a firearm is impressive even to older people, but that she has such talent in memorization and mechanical logic makes it impressive. If she were to go into the armed forces one day, I'd rather have her protecting me then having a gun in my own hands. I'm sure she will find something better suited for her talents though, like the sciences or engineering, shes got a better mind than the challenge a gun brings against it.
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Evanade on 02/09/2008 20:48:00
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Evanade 11y/o and guns, and you think its a good idea? I think we disagree.
It's understandable for you to think that since your kind tend to be afraid of your own shadow, so much to the point that your even banning knives as they are horrible weapons of destruction.
But as you can see even an 11 yo girl does not fear the firearm. She understands it and it's capabilities and accepts responsibility for it. She learned about it and how to properly use it.
11y/o knows nothing of responsibility, let alone able to understand what the thing does or 'is capable of'. Dont act like you have the moral highground because you don't.
I'm not gonna bother with you anymore, but frankly, you couldn't be more wrong about me. I do not agree with populistic decisions like the one's you linked, but then again i fail to see the relevance of it to this thread or to me as i have never made any remark about blades or knives nor do i live in the uk. --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored |
Ren Surkova
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
The 'jew conspiracy' comment was entirely racist, and religious hate as well.
you really are dumb as stone if you took that comment as an anti-semitic remark rather than a half-assed attack on the old survivalist militia conspiracy cliche
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zilkin
Oh the classic "if you don't get horny when you see a gun, you must be a wimp!" reply. The simple truth is that guns like AR-15 are made for killing people and I can guarantee you that no 11 year old can fully grasp that concept. And just to prove that your stereotypes donŠt have anything to do with the reality; IŠve used weapons much heavier than that AR-15.
Whats with you people and combining meat popsicles and rifles? That is really disturbing.
Not to mention the fact that you don't give credit to a childs ability to learn something.
Also for the record, as has been pointed out several times, I am the owner of a AK-47, also made for killing people. I have fired several thousand rounds from this rifle, and have yet to kill a single person. Who knows, maybe I'm doing it wrong.
And I too have held much larger weapons, but have also failed to kill people with them. Maybe it's my gun safety training. Nah, that's crazy talk, I guess I just have bad aim.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kephael Edited by: Kephael on 02/09/2008 20:44:43 Edited by: Kephael on 02/09/2008 20:44:06
Quote:
Oh the classic "if you don't get horny when you see a gun, you must be a wimp!" reply. The simple truth is that guns like AR-15 are made for killing people and I can guarantee you that no 11 year old can fully grasp that concept. And just to prove that your stereotypes donŠt have anything to do with the reality; IŠve used weapons much heavier than that AR-15.
None of my guns have hurt anyone but me, I've had some hot, spent brass go down my shirt a few times. The AR-15 is an excellent, modern gun for target shooting and hunting, I intend to purchase an Armalite AR-10 for long range shooting and maybe to start hunting. Considering firearms like the AR-15 were used in less than one percent of firearms related crimes prior to the 1994 ban, I'd say they're less dangerous than say a concealable revolver. You can spot the man carrying a rifle a mile away, but the pistol in a pocket is not so easy to see.
Heh, there seems to be more personal dangers than dangers to others. Especially with older gun handlers.
My dad nearly shot himself. Been using firearms for two dozen years, easy. Former military, drill sergeant, security guard and now a cop. Registered concealed carry, certified armorer, the works.
Was cleaning the pistol the other day, swapped out ammos, pulled the clip back out, and somehow forgot that he'd put one in the chamber, like an idiot.
I definitely pick on him about it now. Call him Barney. Make sure he has his one round in his shirt pocket
Ruze Ashkor'Murkon Security File |
Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
The 'jew conspiracy' comment was entirely racist, and religious hate as well.
Because religions never hate on anyone for anything, rite? |
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:53:00 -
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Impressive, but im surprised nobody posted this yet. |
Crimsonjade
Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:54:00 -
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Impressive that she doesnt get frustrated and quit when the bolt didnt quite go back together as quickly as she planned. I'm sure most Europeans find it insane her parents would allow her to even be near a semi- automatic version of an assault rifle. Im not totally sure im ok with the choice of firearms,But she had no fear of a piece of plastic and metal. She held it correctly, showed proper knowledge of how to tear down and rebuild in excellent time. have fun screaming at the wall about how her parents and their"society" is a dangerous bad thing. Im sure it cares |
Overseer Aliena
Caldari Lord of Wars
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Evanade
11y/o knows nothing of responsibility,
I pity your children, they lack the parents teachings of how to be responsible. It's no wonder you have so many youth getting in trouble. |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Evanade
11y/o knows nothing of responsibility, let alone able to understand what the thing does or 'is capable of'. Dont act like you have the moral high ground because you don't.
I feel sorry for any child you bring up, for they will not be prepared for life in the least.
Slade
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.02 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Overseer Aliena
Originally by: Evanade
11y/o knows nothing of responsibility,
I pity your children, they lack the parents teachings of how to be responsible. It's no wonder you have so many youth getting in trouble.
I have no kids, but
- responsibility in keeping her room tidy and behaving nice at school? check - responsibility over life and death? not quite its kind of a different league than what an 11y/o deals with in daily life. children know nothing of that, why do you think child soldiers are so popular a tool among african warlords? they kill without remorse and without hesitation.. |
fairimear
Gallente S.A.S Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.09.02 21:03:00 -
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I fail to see why this thread is full of such nonsense. She is Just taking apart and re-assembling a mechanical device.
It is not a weapon untill its in the hands of some 1 mentally orientated to use it as such. Up until that point it is about as deadly as kitchen knife, car, chainsaw, any blunt heavy object (i will kill you with my tea cup). The video we have been shown only tells us that her father feels she is old enough to strip a gun. Its not saying he will take her Hunting, target shooting or even let her see him do it.
At this level its no more disturbing than the selling of plastic toy light guns that little 6 y old boys are always waving around.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.09.02 21:03:00 -
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Whilst this is seemingly normal, and dare I say it 'encouraged' behaviour in America; the other 3/4 of the world finds it deeply deeply disturbing.
11yo kids running around with assault rifles, assault rifles with a Hello Kitty paintjob, and the potential pedobear connotations for the two are quite wrong. |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.09.02 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80 Whilst this is seemingly normal, and dare I say it 'encouraged' behaviour in America; the other 3/4 of the world finds it deeply deeply disturbing.
11yo kids running around with assault rifles, assault rifles with a Hello Kitty paintjob, and the potential pedobear connotations for the two are quite wrong.
3/4 of the world as in the EU?
As far as I've seen China, Russia, The middle east, Africa, South and Central America, all have no issue with it. Some of them have no issue to the point that they recruit them into armies as well. |
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Sodium Phosphate
Gallente Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan
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Posted - 2008.09.02 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Evanade
Originally by: Overseer Aliena
Originally by: Evanade
11y/o knows nothing of responsibility,
I pity your children, they lack the parents teachings of how to be responsible. It's no wonder you have so many youth getting in trouble.
I have no kids, but
- responsibility in keeping her room tidy and behaving nice at school? check - responsibility over life and death? not quite its kind of a different league than what an 11y/o deals with in daily life. children know nothing of that, why do you think child soldiers are so popular a tool among african warlords? they kill without remorse and without hesitation..
Actually they are used because they are easily manipulated and to be broken. If a guardian teaches their child that killing is wrong then they will grow up with the understanding that it is indeed wrong, however if you kidnap the kid, kill his family or siblings and tell him that he has to kill or he is going to be shot also, then it wont be wrong to him.
To say that they do it without remorse is pretty heartless. Every human being has the responsibility over life and death, just because someone tells you different does not mean its not true. A child just does not realize that yet, and its the fault of the parents or guardians for not educating them in it. A gun doesn't keep a person from killing someone, thats what fists are for anyways. |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.09.02 21:54:00 -
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Back up and going? I thought this got the ban and delete double whack
Slade
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Sodium Phosphate
Gallente Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan
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Posted - 2008.09.02 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon Back up and going? I thought this got the ban and delete double whack
Slade
same here, looks like it just got cleaned up a bit tho. |
Sharupak
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.02 22:21:00 -
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Wow!
Haha Daddy's little girl! LOL!
I have never stripped an ar15 but thats faster than I could do it back in the day with an m16 which is similar. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |
nahtoh
Caldari StrikerCorp
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Posted - 2008.09.02 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80 Whilst this is seemingly normal, and dare I say it 'encouraged' behaviour in America; the other 3/4 of the world finds it deeply deeply disturbing.
11yo kids running around with assault rifles, assault rifles with a Hello Kitty paintjob, and the potential pedobear connotations for the two are quite wrong.
Hmm lets see I must be misremembering being instructed in firearms safety and firing weapons at about 13-14 years old in the UKs cadet forces then....oh wait no I am not. Weapon safety is best learned young TBFH, tends to stay with you.
To bad those annoying snowdrop campainers managed to get a large increase in their funding increase stopped years ago.
But yes the vid is impressive. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.02 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sodium Phosphate
Originally by: Slade Trillgon Back up and going? I thought this got the ban and delete double whack
Slade
same here, looks like it just got cleaned up a bit tho.
The mods responded to my clean up request. Unfortunately, the thread was so polluted they had to pull it to perform the cleanup. It's a little disjointed now, but as you can see it's a full page shorter, there were that many trolls. |
Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.03 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kaeten on 03/09/2008 00:38:15 Teaching your daughter how to take apart a rifle and put it together again at the age of 11 is kinda scary.
Shooting them and making them understand how dangerous it is is one thing, this is jsut abit too extreme lol. ________________________ I'M POOR
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.09.03 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 03/09/2008 00:42:31
Originally by: Kaeten Edited by: Kaeten on 03/09/2008 00:38:15 Teaching your daughter how to take apart a rifle and put it together again at the age of 11 is kinda scary.
Shooting them and making them understand how dangerous it is is one thing, this is jsut abit too extreme lol.
Learning to shot a gun includes how to take care of said weapon so it functions properly. That also includes cleaning and replacing parts when they malfunction. This girl just happens to want to do it as fast as possible which is a sign of proficiency.
Would you not teach your kids how to change a flat tire if you taught them how to drive it?
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
DesuSigs
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.09.03 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten Edited by: Kaeten on 03/09/2008 00:38:15 Teaching your daughter how to take apart a rifle and put it together again at the age of 11 is kinda scary.
Shooting them and making them understand how dangerous it is is one thing, this is jsut abit too extreme lol.
How? I had my hunter ed training at 10 and received my first rifle (marlyn bolt action .22 long rifle)
This is something she enjoys doing. She looks like she was having fun. Is it wrong to have fun? If her daddy showed her how to install a supercharger on a car and she enjoyed it, would it still be wrong? Or will this automatically revert back to guns are bad?
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.03 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.
QFT.
When I was going to HS there was actually a shooting club. They had a range in our school's rather expansive basement. However, it was an after-school club that was strictly optional. Although they DID introduce us to it in Gym class. I think they discontinued it about 5 years after I left due to pressure from nattering nabob ninnies who thought the kids would go on a shooting rampage.
If I had my druthers the kids would be taking a firearms instruction course as part of the required coursework. Every kid should have proper training in firearms use. People fear or abuse what they don't understand, nobody should grow up without a proper understanding of firearms use and safety. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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