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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.09.03 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.
I have been saying that for years.
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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Arvald
Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.09.03 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 01:32:00 -
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But you can't beat the masses of parents who accept no responsibility in educating themselves, much less in the parenting of their children. Those wonderful voting blocks who believe that the government should prosecute criminals before they can break the law, that don't care if innocents are arrested (as long as it's not them), and who wholeheartedly believe that if you could only outlaw X, Y would never occur, because the TV said so.
Yeah, I got to shoot pellet guns during JROTC. My dad shot .22's. My kid will get a felony record for drawing a gun in class.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.03 01:44:00 -
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I for one welcome our 11 year old girls with assault rifle overlords
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Rawrior
Gallente Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.09.03 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Kaeten Edited by: Kaeten on 03/09/2008 00:38:15 Teaching your daughter how to take apart a rifle and put it together again at the age of 11 is kinda scary.
Shooting them and making them understand how dangerous it is is one thing, this is jsut abit too extreme lol.
How? I had my hunter ed training at 10 and received my first rifle (marlyn bolt action .22 long rifle)
This is something she enjoys doing. She looks like she was having fun. Is it wrong to have fun? If her daddy showed her how to install a supercharger on a car and she enjoyed it, would it still be wrong? Or will this automatically revert back to guns are bad?
.22 =/= ar15
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Sodium Phosphate
Gallente Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan
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Posted - 2008.09.03 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rawrior
.22 =/= ar15
So? Both are firearms, both are deadly.
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Sharupak
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.03 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sodium Phosphate
Originally by: Rawrior
.22 =/= ar15
So? Both are firearms, both are deadly.
Exactamundo it would be therefore wise to educate yourself in their use, danger and capability just like you would educate yourself in the use of other dangerous human tools such as the automobile, airplane, chop saw, electricity and so on... _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.09.03 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rawrior .22 =/= ar15
Did you know 2 things?:
1. The .223 is not much bigger than a .22 round 2. .22 rounds are untraceable. They shred upon impact instead of remaining relatively whole. The fragments do not yield the scoring that larger weapons leave on bullets. Not to say it's impossible to trace though as you would still have powder residue on your person and clothing as well as within the gun.
On top of that as mentioned a gun is a gun is a gun.
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Rawrior .22 =/= ar15
Did you know 2 things?:
1. The .223 is not much bigger than a .22 round 2. .22 rounds are untraceable. They shred upon impact instead of remaining relatively whole. The fragments do not yield the scoring that larger weapons leave on bullets. Not to say it's impossible to trace though as you would still have powder residue on your person and clothing as well as within the gun.
On top of that as mentioned a gun is a gun is a gun.
Well, lets get technical here. The bullet isn't much different in size, but the powder and casing behind that bullet is VERY different.
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Gojyu
Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.09.03 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 03/09/2008 03:18:20
Originally by: Sharupak TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.
Teaching children gun handling at school- Good Idea Teaching American children gun handling at school- Comically horrendous idea
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.03 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu Edited by: Gojyu on 03/09/2008 03:18:20
Originally by: Sharupak TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.
Teaching children gun handling at school- Good Idea Teaching American children gun handling at school- Comically horrendous idea
Never let a chance to spout anti-American bigotry pass you by, eh Gojyu? 
I hope you never try anything untoward with a woman trained like this young lady was. Then again, maybe you SHOULD. The beating you'll receive may jar awake a few brain cells.
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Sharupak
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.03 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu Edited by: Gojyu on 03/09/2008 03:18:20
Originally by: Sharupak TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.
Teaching children gun handling at school- Good Idea Teaching American children gun handling at school- Comically horrendous idea
 
Reserved for response later as I am tired... But good one!
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Gojyu
Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.09.03 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Gojyu Edited by: Gojyu on 03/09/2008 03:18:20
Originally by: Sharupak TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.
Teaching children gun handling at school- Good Idea Teaching American children gun handling at school- Comically horrendous idea
Never let a chance to spout anti-American bigotry pass you by, eh Gojyu? 
I hope you never try anything untoward with a woman trained like this young lady was. Then again, maybe you SHOULD. The beating you'll receive may jar awake a few brain cells.
I'm actually pro america, it's one of the greatest countries in the world. However, it has its flaws, one of which being a propensity for american school children to shoot each other. Given that this problem doesn't exist to anywhere near the same level in the rest of the world, even in countries with looser gun control than the US, there's nothing wrong with questioning the causes of this problem, and nothing wrong with suggesting that until we figure out the cause of this problem, teaching each and every child, no matter attitude, mental issues or aggressiveness how to use a firearm is possibly a bad idea |

Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.03 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
I'm actually pro america, it's one of the greatest countries in the world. However, it has its flaws, one of which being a propensity for american school children to shoot each other. Given that this problem doesn't exist to anywhere near the same level in the rest of the world, even in countries with looser gun control than the US, there's nothing wrong with questioning the causes of this problem, and nothing wrong with suggesting that until we figure out the cause of this problem, teaching each and every child, no matter attitude, mental issues or aggressiveness how to use a firearm is possibly a bad idea
Fair enough, I withdraw my earlier remark.
However, I think you are also missing the safety training and teaching respect part. I think much of the school violence is more an issue of kids not learning proper respect, and basically growing up to be scumbags. There is also the mental health issue to be concerned about. But let's keep in mind that the scumbag and nutcase population is always smaller than the responsible kid population. It's the same with the adults. Yes, there are plenty of crazies and dirtbags. but if the SANE and responsible people are armed, then the nuts and s****are less of an issue.
Let's face it. Crooks, scum, and nuts will ALWAYS be able to get guns. The solution is NOT to remove guns from the general populace of law abiding sane people, but to educate, empower, and ARM the regular folks so that they can responsibly defend themselves against the criminal and crazy elements that are prevalent in any large social group.
This is what America's founding fathers understood, which is why there is a Second Amendment to the Constitution. The Fathers wanted to make absolutely certain that all Americans had the right to keep and bear Arms. It is in this spirit that the father of the girl in the video taught his daughter about proper firearm maintenance. Boys and Girls like her are the future of America, and will be the defenders of Freedom around the world. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 03:54:00 -
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Actually, if you dig into the writings of those same founding fathers, home defense was rarely spoken of. The Right to Bear Arms was put in place to allow the American people the means to overthrow their government, should it ever become tyrannic (lets not forget that these gentlemen just got through with a revolution of their own, and could recognize that no government was perfect and free of the transition of tyranny).
While I'm very much for keep firearms in your home in extreme cases of self defense, I am more for keeping the spirit of our forefathers alive, specifically the right of the people to choose their governing body, even against the current governments will.
I've always respected Texas for retaining the right to succeed in their constitution, until recently, when they removed that amendment for the sake of more federal funding. Being from Arkansas, it's a hard thing to admit (respecting Texas, that is ).
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Evanade on 03/09/2008 06:59:35
Originally by: Ruze Actually, if you dig into the writings of those same founding fathers, home defense was rarely spoken of. The Right to Bear Arms was put in place to allow the American people the means to overthrow their government, should it ever become tyrannic (lets not forget that these gentlemen just got through with a revolution of their own, and could recognize that no government was perfect and free of the transition of tyranny).
I've met several people who kept on repeating that line, but at the same time practiced silent obedience in every way to that same government. Kind of ironic --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored |

Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Evanade on 03/09/2008 07:15:29
Originally by: Sodium Phosphate
To say that they do it without remorse is pretty heartless.
Actually, it's pretty much fact. Show them how to do it young enough, get them high/stoned/drunk and they will do anything to anyone without realising the consequences, and thus, without remorse. Small children are 'programmed' to take anything an adult tells them for fact and accept it without questioning. Start young enough and the possibilities are endless. (see: religious indoctrination)
While everyone is responsible for his/her own actions, realising the consequences of those actions is something quite different IMO. While the little lady may know how to take it apart or how it functions internally, she is still miles away from knowing, let alone understanding what death and injury mean.
Please don't misunderstand me. I like firearms to the sense that they are complicated mechanical devices and i've always had an attraction to those, but fortunatly i've only used them in games so far. This may sound a little far fetched or geeky or w/e but i can love or hate an FPS game solely based on how realistic the weapons department is, even though i have never held any myself nor have the ambition to do so in the future.
As sting once sung:
It takes more than combat gear to make a man It takes more than a license to own a gun
It takes more than knowledge of or dexterity with said gun to own it. Bearing arms is something that in my opinion should not be taken lightly, because it puts one in a highly unnatural situation, one that makes killing into something that takes little skill or involvement. I am *not* saying that using a gun is 'easy', but any idiot can but in a mag, aim it, and pull the trigger.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.09.03 07:47:00 -
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Tbh, little childrens SHOULD be better at stripping weapons and such, their fingers are so much more nimble.
Hence why i have many working in my secret kinder egg toy factory....
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Dheorl
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:45:00 -
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Is it just me or does that not look that hard.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.09.03 08:47:00 -
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It's good to see that people are training their children to be proficient with firearms! According to this worrying news report, american children are falling behind expectations. I'm surprised more american kids aren't taught and given access to firearms. -------------
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:28:00 -
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Christ, its like Gunslinger Girl.
Any kid can do any task if they're mentally conditioned for it.
You could probably teach an 11 year old how to strip and rebuild a V8 if you could be bothered to teach them.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.03 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu Edited by: Gojyu on 03/09/2008 03:18:20
Originally by: Sharupak TBH, teaching kids the proper use of firearms should be something learned in school.
Teaching children gun handling at school- Good Idea Teaching American children gun handling at school- Comically horrendous idea
Teaching children gun handling in the UK - No Need, kids are born with KJB Firearms skills and CQC Knife handling.
Actually they're not, they just pick up a butchers knife and swing in someones general direction. But the media would have you believe that they're assassins.
Props to the 13 year old that made a headshot on some kid a while back though, range was like 40 yards... With an air rifle!
Shot of the week.
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Ryan Scouse'UK
omen. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle Christ, its like Gunslinger Girl.
Any kid can do any task if they're mentally conditioned for it.
You could probably teach an 11 year old how to strip and rebuild a V8 if you could be bothered to teach them.
This is so true - like robots they obey & they will learn the task you give them! Look on youtube for all the kids who can do adult things, its all practice just most adults cant be arsed they give up far to soon, were as a kid will keep learning until they master it or until there Master tells them to stop.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.03 14:48:00 -
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jeez, the lot of you are discussing stuff way over the girl's head. You dont even know how the parents teach that girl how to properly handle a live firearm and the responsibility in handling something that can kill.
TBH, teaching kids at that age with something that requires maturity and responsibility half of EVE fail to even show is an amazing feat. No doubt she'll grow up probably being your level-headed boss in the future, or your kid's future, if any, considering how many people here are going head over heels over the "right thing".
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.09.03 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Reported, you lot cant handle even a little bit of controversy.
Um, this thread was already reported and cleaned up, meaning they (the mods) left it here for us.
Why don't you go after the new evecam thread.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.03 15:37:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 03/09/2008 00:50:08
Originally by: Kaeten Edited by: Kaeten on 03/09/2008 00:38:15 Teaching your daughter how to take apart a rifle and put it together again at the age of 11 is kinda scary.
Shooting them and making them understand how dangerous it is is one thing, this is jsut abit too extreme lol.
Learning to shoot a gun includes how to take care of said weapon so it functions properly. That also includes cleaning and replacing parts when they malfunction. This girl just happens to want to do it as fast as possible which is a sign of proficiency.
Would you not teach your kids how to change a flat tire on a car if you taught them how to drive it?
Slade
Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol.  ________________________ I'M POOR
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.09.03 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten
Comeone man chaning a tire and taking apart an assault rifle, two diffrent things lol. 
In what aspect?
Mechanical Aptitude? Safety? Training?
Please, explain.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.09.03 15:46:00 -
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Hi my name is lilan Kahn.
I like to play with fire arms as do the rest of my contry god bless conscription.
also most colt rifels are **** easy to strip and put together again

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Kye Kenshin
Martial.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 16:32:00 -
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This thread is just a case of culture clash between Western Europe and USA. I personally find it disturbing but in the context of the USA I can understand how this is acceptable and normal. If I was born in the USA I'd probably be pro gun too.
Originally by: Ruze Actually, if you dig into the writings of those same founding fathers, home defense was rarely spoken of. The Right to Bear Arms was put in place to allow the American people the means to overthrow their government, should it ever become tyrannic (lets not forget that these gentlemen just got through with a revolution of their own, and could recognize that no government was perfect and free of the transition of tyranny).
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kye Kenshin This thread is just a case of culture clash between Western Europe and USA. I personally find it disturbing but in the context of the USA I can understand how this is acceptable and normal. If I was born in the USA I'd probably be pro gun too.
Originally by: Ruze Actually, if you dig into the writings of those same founding fathers, home defense was rarely spoken of. The Right to Bear Arms was put in place to allow the American people the means to overthrow their government, should it ever become tyrannic (lets not forget that these gentlemen just got through with a revolution of their own, and could recognize that no government was perfect and free of the transition of tyranny).
Shame this would never happen though.
Too true. The only sincere incident of a state or states, or a massive part of the population for that matter, disagreeing with the leadership of the government lead to the Civil War, and the deaths of many, many Americans on both sides.
If you go to school here in the States, they tell you that the Civil War was all about slavery and the freedom of African Americans. Of course, all the newspapers of the time, from several years before up until the last year of the war, focus on the overtaxation of the southern states, the restrictions on economic progress (many taxes were placed on these states preventing the building of factories and whatnot), etc. Slavery came into play later, and is primarily a topic of historians.
The reason I bring this up at all, is because there are groups within many western states (namely California), calling for a separatist movement. Considering America's stance on Russia and Georgia, I can't see the 'right to bear arms' being incredibly popular if anything actually happens.
There is such a thing as a government having too much power. The Patriot Act is a prime example.
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