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Alusair
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Posted - 2008.09.02 18:41:00 -
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Hi!
I'm at a crossroads. I've searched this thread for answers, but would love to get some inputs from everyone that wants to have a say. Should I go for blasters or drones?
I'm focusing on gallente ships, but don't have alot of sps yet. I've been flying an armor tanked myrmidon (t2 fitted) for a while now, and basically need a new goal for my training.
Should I go for battleships? If so, domi or mega?
Or should I put my sps towards HACs (ishtar), and/or further down the blaster road; Astarte?
I've been using drones for a while now, and like it, but I haven't trained for heavy drones II yet. If I'm going over to a blaster platform I won't need them and can put the sp somewhere else.
And, yeah, I'm usually doing missions and npc ratting, and often with one or maybe two of my friends.
Thanks for all insights!
Alu.
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Yo Mommy
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.02 18:51:00 -
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If you're doing the mission/ratting game and feel good in a myrm, then go for the domi and train for heavy II's and/or heavy sentry II's ASAP.
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Mr Ignitious
Gallente
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2008.09.02 18:51:00 -
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if you're usually missioning than i'd definitely go for drones. Ammo usage from turrets is annoying.
As for pvp... i'd still say drones bcuz then you'll be good in a domi which is great on many levels as well as wont get hit as hard but the speed nerf.
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2008.09.02 19:13:00 -
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Having good drone skills will help you with far more ships and in far more situations than having good hybrid skills. Hybrids are okay for missions, but their fixed damage types make them less-than-ideal for damage compared to missiles or drones and the range on blasters is far too short for many missions. Even if you do decide to go the blaster route for PvP (which is a good choice BTW), having good drone skills to back them up makes you that much better off.
So I wouldn't go drones or hybrids, I'd go drones then hybrids. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.02 19:18:00 -
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I went drones -> hybrids... I haven't really regretted it, but it really limits your roles. If you're in lowsec, drones can't operate on gates. If you're in 0.0, drones don't help alot in sniper blobs.
For small gang PVP, though, drones work out pretty good.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.09.02 19:28:00 -
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I'm pretty much using hybrids (with equal skills in blasters and rails) and I ALWAYS end up wanting better drones. There is so much you can do with drones that's impossible with other items. In the end..if you end up with blasters, you will need drones to back yourself up when you get in a situation where range is everything.
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Alusair
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Posted - 2008.09.03 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Alusair on 03/09/2008 15:11:00
Thanks for all your great answers, btw 
Okay, I'll train for tier 2 heavy drones. Think I'll get some of the EW drone skills too, just for fun.
Saw a fit with tier 2 med blasters on a domi in battleclinic (from evemon). Maybe I'll try that one. Tier 2 bs blasters take so long time to train, I don't know if that investment is worth it.
 But what's the best gallente ship for pure dps, in a pve crew? astarte?
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Mortis Tyrathlion
Twisted Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 15:19:00 -
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I've faced similar questions regularly, having split-trained across three races and all the weapon systems.
Certainly training for large weapons is a huge hassle (although training for T2 heavy drones isn't actually much quicker), and drones are a lot more versatile. But, as said above, it depends heavily on what you're aiming for, PvP or PvE. For missions, I'd say drones every time. I haven't looked back since I got my Domi for missions.
Pure DPS for PvE is a bit of a white rabbit IMO. You really want useful DPS. A blasterthron can kick out over 1000, but since it can't realistically hit frigates, that's not terribly helpful. A Domi is your friend. It can launch a full rack of heavies, backed up by turret fire for handling battleships, mediums to handle most other enemies, lights against pesky scramming frigates... and sentries for those damned Guristas.
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murder one
Gallente
Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.09.03 15:27:00 -
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Cur your losses and cross train to Amarr if you want a longer term goal that will still be viable in six months.
[07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now?
[07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.09.03 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
If you're in lowsec, drones can't operate on gates.
Don't forget those lovely sentry drones, just scoop when they take shield damage and release them again. It's a bit of micro management, but when I lost sentry drones in losec it was just because I had been too stupid to scoop them in before going to a safe spot
And furthermore the Dominix offers you the possibility to kill most tanks by neuting the enemy's capacitor. So your 'little' dps suddenly make a huge impact.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.03 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
Don't forget those lovely sentry drones, just scoop when they take shield damage and release them again. It's a bit of micro management, but when I lost sentry drones in losec it was just because I had been too stupid to scoop them in before going to a safe spot
I don't "forget" about a month long skill that I trained to 5... I'm well familiar with Sentries. The big problem with what you're proposing is that you have to remain 100% stationary to do it - and while there are situations where this is useful/handy/applicable, there are situations where it is not.
It is all of these very numerous situations which make me say that the Hype/Mega are both better PVP ships if you intend to camp a gate.
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And furthermore the Dominix offers you the possibility to kill most tanks by neuting the enemy's capacitor. So your 'little' dps suddenly make a huge impact.
Neuts don't generally make or break a fight on a gate (in my experience). This is doubly true with battleships and cap injected tanks these days.
-Liang
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I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.09.03 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: H Lecter
I don't "forget" about a month long skill that I trained to 5... I'm well familiar with Sentries. The big problem with what you're proposing is that you have to remain 100% stationary to do it - and while there are situations where this is useful/handy/applicable, there are situations where it is not.
Cool down - no insult intended  I did not question your pvp capabilities - I just wanted to point out that the Domi is a very pvp capable ship. And with enough webbers on the target you don't need to leave your t2 gardes behind. Of course camping alone has various big issues.
To be perfectly fair I have to admit that I don't really know the other side of the medal as my hybrid skills suck big time
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.03 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 03/09/2008 17:10:07
Originally by: H Lecter
Cool down - no insult intended I did not question your pvp capabilities - I just wanted to point out that the Domi is a very pvp capable ship. And with enough webbers on the target you don't need to leave your t2 gardes behind. Of course camping alone has various big issues.
Yeah, I just don't camp solo in my BS... it's like asking for a big "I'm stupid" award... and those T2 gardes are too damn expensive to risk IMO. ;-)
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To be perfectly fair I have to admit that I don't really know the other side of the medal as my hybrid skills suck big time
You have no idea how long it's taken me to get good hybrid and drone skills... freaking ... for...ever.... and I'm still not quite done with hybrids.
My experience in Guns vs Drones on a camp comes primarily from my Caldari (missile spewer) and Minnie (Master Sgt Gunnery ***** Reporting, SIR!) vs Liang's previous drone skills.
-Liang
Ed: You were, of course, right to bring up Gardes. They function marvelously if you don't have to move, and can be excellent even in 0.0 gatecamps.
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Mr Ignitious
Gallente
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Alusair
Edited by: Alusair on 03/09/2008 15:11:00
Thanks for all your great answers, btw
Okay, I'll train for tier 2 heavy drones. Think I'll get some of the EW drone skills too, just for fun.
Saw a fit with tier 2 med blasters on a domi in battleclinic (from evemon). Maybe I'll try that one. Tier 2 bs blasters take so long time to train, I don't know if that investment is worth it.
But what's the best gallente ship for pure dps, in a pve crew? astarte?
sorry but command ships are usually outclassed by battleships, as well as out tanked. Only thing astarte has on a mega is a little agility. I'd def say a mega will put out more dps, however sentry gankdomi fits can work excellent as well.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 02/09/2008 19:44:17
I went drones -> hybrids... I haven't really regretted it, but it really limits your roles. If you're in lowsec, drones can't operate on gates. If you're in 0.0, drones don't help alot in sniper blobs.
For small gang PVP, though, drones work out pretty good.
-Liang
I heard you can get around the sniper blob problem by telling your sentries to guard a nearby fleet member. The drones will attack your fleet member's target regardless of whether it's in your drone control range, since the game only checks if the assisted target is in drone control range.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ignitious
Originally by: Alusair
Edited by: Alusair on 03/09/2008 15:11:00
Thanks for all your great answers, btw
Okay, I'll train for tier 2 heavy drones. Think I'll get some of the EW drone skills too, just for fun.
Saw a fit with tier 2 med blasters on a domi in battleclinic (from evemon). Maybe I'll try that one. Tier 2 bs blasters take so long time to train, I don't know if that investment is worth it.
But what's the best gallente ship for pure dps, in a pve crew? astarte?
sorry but command ships are usually outclassed by battleships, as well as out tanked.
Oh so those screenshots I saw of Nighthawks and Absolutions soloing level 5 missions were fake I guess.
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cytomatrix
Caldari
Carebear Killers Inc.
Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.09.04 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Strill
Originally by: Mr Ignitious
Originally by: Alusair
Edited by: Alusair on 03/09/2008 15:11:00
Thanks for all your great answers, btw
Okay, I'll train for tier 2 heavy drones. Think I'll get some of the EW drone skills too, just for fun.
Saw a fit with tier 2 med blasters on a domi in battleclinic (from evemon). Maybe I'll try that one. Tier 2 bs blasters take so long time to train, I don't know if that investment is worth it.
But what's the best gallente ship for pure dps, in a pve crew? astarte?
sorry but command ships are usually outclassed by battleships, as well as out tanked.
Oh so those screenshots I saw of Nighthawks and Absolutions soloing level 5 missions were fake I guess.
Lol. They were talking about pvp, Mr.Carebear.  In missions Nighthawk is the king(when you ignore tech2 and faction bs).
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Gimpb
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.09.04 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ignitious
Originally by: Alusair
Edited by: Alusair on 03/09/2008 15:11:00
Thanks for all your great answers, btw
Okay, I'll train for tier 2 heavy drones. Think I'll get some of the EW drone skills too, just for fun.
Saw a fit with tier 2 med blasters on a domi in battleclinic (from evemon). Maybe I'll try that one. Tier 2 bs blasters take so long time to train, I don't know if that investment is worth it.
But what's the best gallente ship for pure dps, in a pve crew? astarte?
sorry but command ships are usually outclassed by battleships, as well as out tanked. Only thing astarte has on a mega is a little agility. I'd def say a mega will put out more dps, however sentry gankdomi fits can work excellent as well.
Well medium turrets do track a heck of a lot better than BS turrets.
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