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InsanlyEvlPerson
Gallente
Mercenaries International Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 01:57:00 -
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I have been trying to use an apoc for lvl 4 missions, and have been getting nothing but frustration. I still cant seem to do anything right in a battleship, and want to go back to BC and smaller hulls. i currently have a zealot that i have been using for lvl 3 missions with quite a bit of success, and was wondering if that might be viable on a lvl 4. i am training for an absolution right now, which i know will be more than capable of running them. until then however, i need to find something else to use that i can currently fly. i have been messing around on EFT, and i dont know if i can convince anything to tank well enough, even the zealot. The zealot has no rigs, and an aux nano pump and a CCC might help, but i'm not so sure it will produce the necessary results.
any suggestions will be appreciated, and any suggestions for my apoc can be posted in the thread i've got going.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.03 02:02:00 -
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Can't see why. Put on more damage mods, accept only EM/therm weak missions? It's a breeze.... my abaddon gank ship(runs missions with a domi) runs a single lar/no hardeners and often kills everything before it takes any serious damage.
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InsanlyEvlPerson
Gallente
Mercenaries International Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 03:38:00 -
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i have a setup for the zealot to try, will post the new idea and old reliable. (new one needs 2 CCC rigs to even stand a chance, ship has none atm, so thats a slight problem.
new idea:
high: 5x heavy modal pulses (multi and standard)
meds: AB2, 2x cap recharger 2
lows: tracking enhancer 2 (or heatsink2) 2x EANM2, DC2, Thermic hardner 2, 2x MAR2
old reliable:
high: 5x heavy modal beams (multi, standard, radio)
meds: AB2, 2x cap recharger 2
lows: heatsink2, 2x EANM2, DC2, SAR2, MAR2
obviously both are primarily tank fittings, but thats the general idea. the new concept is to boost tanking ability to a whole new level for lvl 4 missions.
coments/suggestions/concerns?
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InsanlyEvlPerson
Gallente
Mercenaries International Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 12:55:00 -
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*bump*
does nobody at all have any comments of any kind?
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2008.09.03 13:11:00 -
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I don't think either setup has the DPS you need for level 4s tbh. What do you get from that? 300?
With pulses, you are gonna struggle with range...it's no fun to be chasing down every ship. T2 lasers with Scorch alleviates that problem a bit, but the zealot can go through a lot of Scorch in quite a short time so its unlikely to be cost-effective...
I'd consider the apoc to be way better for L4s...what problems are you having with it exactly? (also setup)
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InsanlyEvlPerson
Gallente
Mercenaries International Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 13:20:00 -
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Problems with with apoc are mostly that i cant kill stuff fast enuff for my tnak to be effective, no matter what i do with the tank.
setup:
8x mega afocal pulse
100mn AB2, 2x cap recharger 2, tracking computer (usually optimal script, but have both)
2x HS2, 4x hardners (rat specific) LAR2
CCC, laser RoF rig
i've been told its good, but its just not cutting it. i've been told go T2 on the guns, but i cant yet, and i am still working on rigging it, inbetween an aux nano pump and another CCC, i see advantages to both. after i decide on the rigs, it'll be time to buy best named guns, as that will help as well, but its so weak i cant even do the missions to make money. i know i'm not up agaisnt easy targets as my corp is in minmatar space.
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Crellion
Art of War
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 03/09/2008 13:31:14
Try 5x Heavy pulse II
ab, L/M Peroxide, web
2xhard 3xhsII 1xMarII
Should do well in most missions... BS damage should be avoidable through transversal... you ll just be vulnerable if multiwebbed by frigs (so primary them) and in the rare cases were there are many sentry guns as you warp in...
The only way to fins out is to try it...
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Xen0nn
Amarr
Boob Heads
Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.03 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Xen0nn on 03/09/2008 13:35:56
I think you are more lucky with, 2x LAR2 1x DCU2 1x ENM2 3x rat hardners depending on mission.
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Mortis Tyrathlion
Twisted Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Mortis Tyrathlion on 03/09/2008 14:38:43
The Zealot isn't the first ship I'd consider for Lvl 4s. Nor, to be honest, is the Apocalypse. Nice bonuses it might have, but the Armageddon and Abaddon are better for mission running, simply because the range is less useful than the damage boost. The only ships of smaller size, CSes notwithstanding, that can realistically take the kind of damage you'll face in a lvl 4 are HICs and the Drake.
Battleships can be incredibly frustrating ships, and I'm only just beginning to fly them properly after over two years of play. But believe me, trying to get a lightweight HAC to survive in a lvl 4 will be even worse. You won't have the cap for it, even by nerfing everything for cap rechargers and CPRs - which will also nerf your firepower, by taking up heat sink room.
Having said that, you'll almost certainly need CCC rigs regardless. I personally would suggest an Armageddon. Tank-wise, LAR2, 2 x EANM2 and two hardeners has kept my Dominix happy for most enemies (only had to warp out during Damsel in Distress because of the heavy short-range fire), switching to a second Explosive hardener if against Angels or similar. I'm not quite sure why your fit hasn't worked with the Apoc...
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InsanlyEvlPerson
Gallente
Mercenaries International Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 14:45:00 -
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i'm just about ready to sell the apoc and go back to griding lvl 3 missions til i can skill up to an abso, i would at least be able to fit that and not suck in it... for some reason even after all my attempts over the years, i still cant get any sort of dps outta battleships, and just hate being huge and slow anyway. however, i do need some way to make money on the order of lvl 4 missions, so if there arent any alternatives, i guess i'll just keep running lvl 3's and doing lvl 4's on occasion with my corp.
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