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Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:25:00 - [1] Just got done watching the RNC on TV tonight. Thompson's speech was awesome. Obama just is the wrong man for president. McCain is NOT Bush so STOP trying to say he is! Thats the only argument the Dems have against him is trying to convince us he is someone else. McCain is a fairly moderate Republican anyway. Face it, you guys (Dems) elected the wrong guy in the primaries. Charisma won you over and now you are panicking because you realize the error of your choice.
Sodium Phosphate Gallente Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:29:00 - [2] Originally by: Cloora McCain is a fairly moderate Republican anyway. No, just no. But Palin is pretty awesome though.
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Cloora Just got done watching the RNC on TV tonight. Thompson's speech was awesome. Obama just is the wrong man for president. McCain is NOT Bush so STOP trying to say he is! Thats the only argument the Dems have against him is trying to convince us he is someone else. McCain is a fairly moderate Republican anyway. Face it, you guys (Dems) elected the wrong guy in the primaries. Charisma won you over and now you are panicking because you realize the error of your choice. QFT. Oh, and IBTL. the mods are sure to delete this as it directly relates to politics. :( Personally, I love how the Dems and the American Mainstream Media (who's members overwhelmingly vote ultra leftist and Democrat) are running SCARED of Sarah Palin. She's every Leftists worst nightmare. A CONSERVATIVE WOMAN! THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE! ROFL! Hear me now: The Republicans will be the first of the two American parties to put a Woman in the Naval Observatory as VP, and then in the White House as President. You can take that to the bank.
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Sodium Phosphate Originally by: Cloora McCain is a fairly moderate Republican anyway. No, just no. But Palin is pretty awesome though. Except for the war and the military he is moderate. Too bad the surge actually worked. Too bad for the left that is.
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:31:00 - [5] It's not so much Obama as it is his VP. And yes, McCain is a moderate Republican, and he couldn't have picked a better running mate. Obama was spouting off about change, and yet he picks someone who represents what he supposedly wants to change. Now while Obama spouts off about it and has done nothing so far, Palin has done much more to rid the corruption of the government than "talk about change until you're deaf in one ear" Obama. And yes, this is coming from a generally democratic leaning person, however I find it a bad idea to sign yourself onto one party and then mud sling at the other, especially when the other would do just as good a job or even better. The only thing I'm worried about is McCain getting us involved in another stupid war.
Sodium Phosphate Gallente Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:36:00 - [6] With today's economy the last thing we need is another war, unless of course it gets us some oil. I think McCain has enough brains to keep us out of one to keep the dems happy till election. Maybe he will keep his word. Obama is just gunna cause a depression.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:41:00 - [7] i'm more interested in mccain's daughter and palin's daughter
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:41:00 - [8] We have a lot of oil, it is in Alaska. Palin will help us get it!
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:48:00 - [9] Me and my wife were discussing this, and I asked her if McCain's choice for VP was the right move, in her opinion. She said that she loves the idea of having a woman in office, especially as VP or Pres. I asked her 'But what about Hillary?' She looked real hard at me, then bit out, "I don't mind having a woman president, but I don't think we should vote one in just because she's a woman. I hate Hillary, and I'd never vote for her." God, I love my wife! I don't like the VP Obama chose, but what's worse, I really hate some of the policies McCain has recently put through Congress that take even more rights and freedoms from Americans. It's really a battle of the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. The guy proposing to allow businesses to refuse to hire you if you don't abide by their religion, or the guy trying to take away more rights from citizens with a criminal record.
Sodium Phosphate Gallente Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Ruze Me and my wife were discussing this, and I asked her if McCain's choice for VP was the right move, in her opinion. She said that she loves the idea of having a woman in office, especially as VP or Pres. I asked her 'But what about Hillary?' She looked real hard at me, then bit out, "I don't mind having a woman president, but I don't think we should vote one in just because she's a woman. I hate Hillary, and I'd never vote for her." God, I love my wife! I don't like the VP Obama chose, but what's worse, I really hate some of the policies McCain has recently put through Congress that take even more rights and freedoms from Americans. It's really a battle of the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. The guy proposing to allow businesses to refuse to hire you if you don't abide by their religion, or the guy trying to take away more rights from citizens with a criminal record. I know I shouldnt but I want McCain to get elected and keel over so we've got Palin up there.

Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.09.03 04:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Sodium Phosphate I know I shouldnt but I want McCain to get elected and keel over so we've got Palin up there. No! You should! I do, simply because she's the only one on any of the tickets that I REALLY want as president. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
JAQUE ALERA	Posted - 2008.09.03 04:46:00 - [12] McCain is 77 years old. He'll be 82 at the start of his 2nd term if he's elected. If he does keel over then we have a self described "hockey mom" in charge. Hasn't the US become enough of a world wide joke? She is hot though in a MILF sorta way. Other way to look at it is: Does it really matter who gets elected?
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.03 04:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Cloora Thats the only argument the Dems have against him is trying to convince us he is someone else. Here's a very nice, simple argument: McCain and his VP are both creationists and favor teaching creationism in science class, a staggering level of delusion and detachment from reality. Someone who has such a clear disregard for facts and evidence is utterly unqualified for the job of deciding policy for one of the (arguably THE) most powerful and influential nations on earth. If he's willing to pick ideology over reality on this issue, why should we trust him to on any other issue?
Ademaro Imre Caldari Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Cloora Thats the only argument the Dems have against him is trying to convince us he is someone else. Here's a very nice, simple argument: McCain and his VP are both creationists and favor teaching creationism in science class, a staggering level of delusion and detachment from reality. Someone who has such a clear disregard for facts and evidence is utterly unqualified for the job of deciding policy for one of the (arguably THE) most powerful and influential nations on earth. If he's willing to pick ideology over reality on this issue, why should we trust him to on any other issue? No. Palin favors teaching both sorts of theories. Kind of like what Barry Obama would call "getting together." And - in before the lock. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Rawrior Gallente Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:05:00 - [15] McCain smells funny _____ TEH FORUM POLICE!!1!11!@2!
Ademaro Imre Caldari Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:05:00 - [16] Originally by: JAQUE ALERA McCain is 77 years old. He'll be 82 at the start of his 2nd term if he's elected. If he does keel over then we have a self described "hockey mom" in charge. Hasn't the US become enough of a world wide joke? She is hot though in a MILF sorta way. Other way to look at it is: Does it really matter who gets elected? Hockey Mom as backup - is better than "Community Activist" as the man in charge. When comparing himself to Palin, (He knows it laughable to comapre his experience to McCain), Barry Obama says he has more experience than the 2+ years of Palin as a Governor, because Obama has been running a presidential campaign. Pathetic. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:10:00 - [17] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 03/09/2008 05:16:58 Originally by: Ademaro Imre No. Palin favors teaching both sorts of theories. Kind of like what Barry Obama would call "getting together." And - in before the lock. In other words, a staggering level of delusion and detachment from reality. Just believing both are theories requires a complete ignorance of the scientific method and what a theory actually is, and supporting teaching both is stupidity on the same level as suggesting that we "teach the controversy" about Round Earth Theory. The only way to believe this is in any way a good idea is to completely ignore all evidence, reason and experts in favor of your personal ideology. Therefore the point stands: if McCain/Palin are willing to ignore the facts in this case, why should anyone trust them to base their other decisions on the facts? If the expert opinions of 99% of the world's biologists aren't enough to convince them, why should we believe the expert opinions of 99% of the world's economists would be enough to convince them to abandon a poor economic policy? Or repeat the question for any other of the countless high-stakes decisions the president/VP will have to make over the next four years.
MineralOel Steuer Amarr OP EC	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:13:00 - [18] I agree. Mr. frensh fries should be your President, so you can continue to ruin your economy. As a German, I say Yes you can, go McCain go! The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..
Ademaro Imre Caldari Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Therefore the point stands: if McCain/Palin are willing to ignore the facts in this case, why should anyone trust them to base their other decisions on the facts? You can have whatever theological or scientific beliefs you want, it doesn't matter. The premise of your argument is wrong. Scientists do not run the world based on "consensus." If it did - then there would be no need for elections at all. Because politicians want to satisfy different bases does not make them bad. And if the science is strong, then it won't matter what is taught in schools anyway. So why are you so viscerally worried? Schools still teach newton's laws of physics, and that is wrong, is it not? The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:31:00 - [20] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 03/09/2008 05:35:16 Originally by: Ademaro Imre You can have whatever theological or scientific beliefs you want, it doesn't matter. Fine, have whatever beliefs you want, but that doesn't allow you to teach them in science class. Quote: The premise of your argument is wrong. Scientists do not run the world based on "consensus." If it did - then there would be no need for elections at all. Because politicians want to satisfy different bases does not make them bad. Can you honestly not see how painfully stupid that comment is? How the hell is it any better to claim that McCain/Palin are willing to ignore facts and reality to pander to their idiot base? Quote: And if the science is strong, then it won't matter what is taught in schools anyway. So why are you so viscerally worried? Schools still teach newton's laws of physics, and that is wrong, is it not? Because: 1) Our education system sucks enough as it is without teaching students outright lies. The theory of evolution is critical to understanding modern biology. Now, you might argue that biology is not necessary to having a productive life, but why not say the same about science in general? Or literature? Math? Art? Why not just gut the entire education system and reduce it to the bare minimum required to work your minimum wage job flipping burgers for the rest of your life? 2) It shows a complete lack of judgement from McCain/Palin. Evolution is a theory supported by staggering amounts of empirical evidence and experimental results, capable of impressive predictive/explanatory power, supported by near-unanimous agreement among the experts (there's always the 1% nutcases), and completely lacking in counter-evidence. Unlike Newtonian mechanics (which are a virtually 100% correct approximation over all speed/distance/mass ranges we work with outside of theoretical physics), creationism is not just 1% wrong, it's 100% wrong. In fact, it isn't even a scientific theory. For McCain/Palin to support teaching creationism means one of two things: 1) They are willing to ignore the facts if it suits their personal ideology. OR 2) They are willing to ignore the facts to pander to ignorant voters. Either way, it shows a clear wilingness to disregard inconvenient facts, a very dangerous habit for someone with so much power who will be making so many high-stakes decisions over the next four years. And yes, there are things that could do more damage to the country (most of them supported by McCain), but evolution/creationism makes a nice test of respect for reality. If they can't even make such a simple and straightforward decision correctly, why should we trust them with anything more complicated?

Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:40:00 - [21] If you want ot destroy what's left of your international credibility, then yes, you should vote McCain. The man has already been caught lying on Irak, he obviously chosed Palin with little more than surface intelligence on her, just to calm the hardcore right-wingers (speak volumes of his ability to make good, well reasoned decisions), and Palin might already be guilty of firing some guy just because he refused to fire another she didn't like. And both defend a policy they know doesn't work (the no sex before marriage fallacy), which is stupidity behond comprehension, and as such are guilty of complicity for all the young mothers who'll struggle financially all their life because they couldn't end their studies properly. If the USA are the first-rate country with the highest ratio of premature pregnancies, it's for a reason... And let's think 2 minutes about what lack of sexual education and the negative propaganda on condons do where STDs are concerned, too... You want another president who give his religious beliefs priority over reality? Then vote McCain. But don't complain later about the consequences... BTW, this thread should be locked. ------------------------------------------
A'Juunta	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:45:00 - [22] So sad to see the amount of McCain supporters in this thread. :-\
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:47:00 - [23] Well to everyone in the UK you either have a brand of chips or someone who's nearly got the name of a terrorist. Go umm . . . someone!!!
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:58:00 - [24] Less government is good government. So Obama represents everything I don't want. Thus I am voting against him, and I actually live in a swing state so my vote actually matters.
Ademaro Imre Caldari Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.03 05:58:00 - [25] Its still amazing that a creationist theory, or intelligent design theory being taught in schools beside evolution is so threatening to you, and you are an exact mirror of the movie "Expelled." Palin has never suggested legislating out evolution theory. If you want it to be your test, so be it. We have gone through this already with "consensus" and "99%" with anthropogenic global warming. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Ademaro Imre Caldari Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.03 06:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Shadowsword If the USA are the first-rate country with the highest ratio of premature pregnancies, it's for a reason... What reason? You know what causes premature births and what causes the risk factors? The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.09.03 06:08:00 - [27] Who cares, I don't think the Supreme Court Justices are croaking any time soon.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.03 06:11:00 - [28] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 03/09/2008 06:13:08 Originally by: Ademaro Imre Its still amazing that a creationist theory, or intelligent design theory being taught in schools beside evolution is so threatening to you Like I said, it's a simple test of the ability to know the difference between fact and fiction. This would be a clear and straightforward case if it was a question of whether to teach flat-earth theory in science class or 1+1=5 in math class, but somehow the equally false idea of creationism deserves special respect. Quote: and you are an exact mirror of the movie "Expelled." laughs Did you really just compare me to that pathetic bit of propaganda? The movie that was so full of lies and mistakes that even hardcore young-earth creationists disowned it as an embarassment to their cause? Quote: Palin has never suggested legislating out evolution theory. If you want it to be your test, so be it. No, she just favors teaching an "alternative" that is completely wrong. This is no different than suggesting we teach flat-earth theory in science class. And nice strawman there, I never said Palin wants to legislate out evolution. Quote: We have gone through this already with "consensus" and "99%" with anthropogenic global warming. Yes, we have, global warming is another example of the conservative talent for delusion. There is overwhelming consensus among the relevant experts that: 1) The overall climate is changing. AND 2) Human activity, especially burning fossil fuels, contributes to this change. The exact rates of change, weight of various contributing factors, eventual results and best solutions may still be up for debate, but those two facts are not. Like it or not, we're screwing up the environment, and if we continue to ignore the advice of the experts, we're going to regret it.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.09.03 06:27:00 - [29] if macain get in say goodbye to ever have an advancement in medicine.
Calvin Firenze Minmatar Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2008.09.03 06:52:00 - [30] IBTL First off, I don't want a man who signed a confession to get out of a POW camp. (McCain) Second, I don't want a man who changes his mind more often than a woman on important political issues. (Obama) Neither of them are worth my vote imo.

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