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Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:18:00 - [1] CCP made 0.0 for PvP. Use it. .
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:19:00 - [2] Originally by: Drunk Driver CCP made Eve for PvP. CCP made 0.0 for player-driven empire building. . Fixed yer post.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:20:00 - [3] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Drunk Driver CCP made Eve for PvP. CCP made 0.0 for player-driven empire building. . Fixed yer post. No, you just made an excuse. .
Sidrat Flush Caldari Diversity 101	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:21:00 - [4] But only after they implemented Pos's and larger sized hauling ships. Before then it was about living out of secure cans and creating several bookmarks around the gates to effectively warp to zero. You're right of course, it just took them a while to implement it, and even then it wasn't until player built outposts were introduced that player run regions finally came in to the fore. Life is about memories the more the better. http://lifeisexperience.freeforums.org (because it's a small corp)
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Drunk Driver CCP made Eve for PvP. CCP made 0.0 for player-driven empire building. . Fixed yer post. some truth there 0.0 is just that "type" of pvp Each of the 3 security zones has its own types of pvp, which is good. Play nice while you butcher each other.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:23:00 - [6] eve is a sandbox. People will do whatever they want. If you feel you don't have enough targets then your not trying hard enough.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:33:00 - [7] Edited by: Garreck on 03/09/2008 16:35:11 Originally by: Drunk Driver No, you just made an excuse. An excuse for what, exactly? Eve's a pvp game. Are there rules and consequences etc? Surely. Are those rules constantly being tweaked and balanced and worked on? You bet. The BoB dude summed it up better than me: there are different types of pvp dictated by the differing security rules of high sec, low sec and 0.0. But it's all about the pvp. edit more specifically it's all about CONFLICT. And that's what makes Eve awesome.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:39:00 - [8] sniff sniffasniff Damb, I love the smell of a desperate little ISK-seller suddenly apprehensive that his money-tree will soon be losing it's sweet, green leaves. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:44:00 - [9] Wow. DD's a troll, tried and true. But he sure knows how to bring the raging mob and torches to his doorstep ... Ruze Ashkor'Murkon Security File
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Ruze Wow. DD's a troll, tried and true. But he sure knows how to bring the raging mob and torches to his doorstep ... Easily accomplished by being an insufferable coward, tbh. Oh, and an isk-seller. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting

Farrqua Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Ruze Wow. DD's a troll, tried and true. But he sure knows how to bring the raging mob and torches to his doorstep ... It's his sparkling personality and insightful posts.
Ervol Libra Amarr Invenio Inceptum	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:04:00 - [12] aww did someone got ganked?
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:44:00 - [13] I would suspect there's a lot of "PvP" players too scared to go to 0.0. They'd rather wack noobs or mission runners in Empire. Keep posting. Let us know who you are. .
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Drunk Driver I would suspect there's a lot of "PvP" players too scared to go to 0.0. They'd rather wack noobs or mission runners in Empire. Or, they want to PvP solo or in small gangs instead of having to partake in the boring lagfest that is Alliance-scale POS warfare. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Drunk Driver I would suspect there's a lot of "PvP" players too scared to go to 0.0. They'd rather wack noobs or mission runners in Empire. Or, they want to PvP solo or in small gangs instead of having to partake in the boring lagfest that is Alliance-scale POS warfare. Well if you can't hang with the big boys I guess ganking noobs or mission runners is all you have. .
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Drunk Driver Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Drunk Driver CCP made Eve for PvP. CCP made 0.0 for player-driven empire building. . Fixed yer post. No, you just made an excuse. . No actually he proved you completely wrong. ----
Karentaki Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.03 20:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Drunk Driver CCP made 0.0 for PvP. Use it. Wow, you're stupid! GB2WOWPLZ Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
Ma'kal Caldari SUNDERING Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Drunk Driver CCP made Eve for PvP. CCP made 0.0 for player-driven empire building. Fixed yer post. I agree with this. All of Eve is about PvP
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:06:00 - [19] Blizzard made battlegrounds for PvP. I think a game with clearer distinctions and PvP zones might be right for you.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:19:00 - [20] Lots of people want PvP, so they say. But I've noticed they make a LOT of excuses for not going to the one area where PvP is wide open. .

Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Drunk Driver But I've noticed they make a LOT of excuses for not going to the one area where PvP is wide open. Goes back to the thesis concerning types of pvp. Empire building, by necessity, requires large fleets and the inherent lag associated with those fleets. That's not everybody's idea of a good time. Of course, I tend to find just about every representative style of pvp in 0.0...but if you're in 0.0 you WILL get blobbed or hot-dropped regularly while looking for small scale combat. Empire wars present their own unique challenges...and are certainly not immune from blobbing either. Seriously, though: isk is a means to an end for a lot of folks. That "end" is pvp. Folks who mine, mission, build...even if they never pvp, they can bet the continuation of their profitable businesses is because of pvp. The Eve market works because of pvp. Many make the very good case that the market itself is a form of pvp. CCP spends endless amounts of time making pvp in Eve workable and "balanced." The changing nature of various conflicts in Eve is what keeps people hooked. All roads point to pvp. As for where that pvp takes place...just analyzing my own alliance's history, we were born in high sec pvp against ushra'khan (endless skirmishes from Amarr to Rens) moved on to lowsec pvp where we fought a ton of pirate organizations in our efforts to get a foothold in 0.0, re-established our conflict with Ushra'Khan as our 0.0 holdings grew...and now we deal with regular 0.0 raiders as well as the semi-annual invasions by various 0.0 powers. PvP is meant to be everywhere. It is meant to be non-consensual. Non-consensual pvp is a defining aspect of the game. There are many steps that can be taken, though, to ensure pvp is avoided if that's not what you're lookin' for. Non-consensual is a two-way street like that: some people get pvp'd when they don't want it...and some people don't get pvp when they want it. Enjoy the suspense, right? Enjoy the challenge and having to out-think your opponents...even if you're only out-thinking 'em to avoid giving them the kill they want.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Drunk Driver Lots of people want PvP, so they say. But I've noticed they make a LOT of excuses for not going to the one area where PvP is wide open. No need to go anywhere. PvP is wide open all over the place.
Ensa Rai	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Drunk Driver Well if you can't hang with the big boys I guess ganking noobs or mission runners is all you have. . Are you saying you hang with "big boys"? Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Drunk Driver Lots of people want PvP, so they say. But I've noticed they make a LOT of excuses for not going to the one area where PvP is wide open. . Lots of people say they want a nice safe PvE environment, I notice, but they make a lot of excuses as to why they're playing a game predicated on player versum player interaction. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:03:00 - [25] shame 0.0 is the worst of the 3 areas for PVP Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Drunk Driver Lots of people want PvP, so they say. But I've noticed they make a LOT of excuses for not going to the one area where PvP is wide open. . Lots of people say they want a nice safe PvE environment, I notice, but they make a lot of excuses as to why they're playing a game predicated on player versum player interaction. I'm glad I didn't say that. Some level of danger in all areas of Eve is what makes the game fun. However people trying to turn Empire into a pirate hunting preserve is a problem. .
cpt Mark	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Drunk Driver CCP made 0.0 for PvP. Use it. . Instead of camping inside your heavily guarded fortress... why don't you go and attack someone else's fortress.
Talan Calonid VEX.	Posted - 2008.09.03 23:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Ruze DD's a troll, tried and true.

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