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Kapitan Oz
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Posted - 2008.09.03 17:46:00 -
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Heyo, is doing lvl 4 missions in a Drake ok? Maybe its a stupid question but what I really mean is, will I be one-shotted or will I have a decent chance? I got roughly 8,7 mil SP~
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ScottyDosn'tKnow
Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:10:00 -
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The drake tank is one of the best in the game. You will survive almost any lvl 4 mission. The problem is DPS...drake dosnt have it. So it would be better to do them in a raven.
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Kapitan Oz
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Kapitan Oz on 03/09/2008 18:17:53 Thanks :o Too bad I already bought the Drake and dont have enough skills yet to pilot a Raven
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:20:00 -
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The Drake is a great option for some missions, where there are tons of cruisers and BCs. It has a hard time breaking BS tanks... ------------
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Kapitan Oz
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes The Drake is a great option for some missions, where there are tons of cruisers and BCs. It has a hard time breaking BS tanks...
Uhm, BCs and BS tanks?
Should I use heavy assault missiles or just heavy launchers? :)
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ScottyDosn'tKnow
Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:32:00 -
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Use heavies. I agree drave sucks vs Battleships, but it will do them...eventually. Raven is your next step but Drake is ok for missions until then.
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Kurull Skullsplitter
Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:44:00 -
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IMO the best thing for a BC pilot to do with lvl 4's is to get a friend to go along either another BC pilot or to help a BS pilot until your skills are up.
The BC, esp the Drake, is really nice for taking out the ships smaller than BS.
If your friend has a Drake the combined dps is decent for the missions. |
COLNKASSAD
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Posted - 2008.09.04 09:11:00 -
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I have maxed missile skills (exept hm spe to lvl4), and i tried the drake for some lvl4 missions, no specific implants, and for now the only npc that gave me problem is Rachen Mysuna in vengeance.
I had to load caldari scourges and change the setup to put an AB and more bcs.
For tanking, it's extremely good, as easy as double repair dominix, and you will take time to kill BS, but at least you dont loose drone to lag.
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Sir Kad
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Posted - 2008.09.04 18:48:00 -
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There is no Level 4 mission that I couldnt finish in a Drake. Though they do take a bit longer to complete...
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Baar Luun
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Posted - 2008.09.04 21:46:00 -
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A well fitted drake will do most L4 Missions faster or in equal time than a raven and you dont have to manage your tank except the occasional change of your hardeners With BC5 and good fitting skills i use 7 heavys and a tractor beam in highs 3LSE and 2 ratspecific active hardeners AB or invul depending on mission 3bcu 1spr or 2bcu 2 spr depends on incoming dps 2purger rigs 1 anti-em rig
can tank every mission dps there is as long as you dont act very foolish remember even the "brick of stone" can hold some nce transversal against most BS guns wih AB running so you get hit less often
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0rch1d
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Posted - 2008.09.05 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Baar Luun A well fitted drake will do most L4 Missions faster or in equal time than a raven
Nearly everything I've read on these forums (having inquired about the same) suggests this is wrong. Quite wrong, in fact. It all comes down to the Drake still having DPS issues, Heavies vs. Cruise. General opinion holds that although the Drake can out-tank a Raven, it'll take far longer for it to complete level 4s. As a result, your ISK per HOUR ratio will be less than optimal.
Although with your fit, you seem to have an active tank going . . . ? Doesn't seem to be a completely passive fit.
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RunNHide
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Posted - 2008.09.05 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Baar Luun A well fitted drake will do most L4 Missions faster or in equal time than a raven and you dont have to manage your tank except the occasional change of your hardeners With BC5 and good fitting skills i use 7 heavys and a tractor beam in highs 3LSE and 2 ratspecific active hardeners AB or invul depending on mission 3bcu 1spr or 2bcu 2 spr depends on incoming dps 2purger rigs 1 anti-em rig
can tank every mission dps there is as long as you dont act very foolish remember even the "brick of stone" can hold some nce transversal against most BS guns wih AB running so you get hit less often
While the tank is good, there is no way a drake can compare to the dps of a good raven pilot. With good skills a raven can complete missions much faster than a drake. Also remember to include drones and they just rip all the small stuff while your missiles kill the big stuff.
That said, a drake can complete just about all missions and I did level 4 missions in a drake long before I had the skills to properly fly a raven. Its just a bit slow at first. Also don't forget to include rigs on your drake or your tank may not hold especially if your low skilled.
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IBait4Fun
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Posted - 2008.09.05 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: 0rch1d
Originally by: Baar Luun A well fitted drake will do most L4 Missions faster or in equal time than a raven
Nearly everything I've read on these forums (having inquired about the same) suggests this is wrong. Quite wrong, in fact. It all comes down to the Drake still having DPS issues, Heavies vs. Cruise. General opinion holds that although the Drake can out-tank a Raven, it'll take far longer for it to complete level 4s. As a result, your ISK per HOUR ratio will be less than optimal.
Although with your fit, you seem to have an active tank going . . . ? Doesn't seem to be a completely passive fit.
Well you only really require a completely passive fit if you don't have enough cap to run your active hardeners (and they require very small cap compared to how much cap your ship generates) or if your facing blood raiders (be careful of those missions). Passive tank on a drake just implies that your relying on the passive shield regeneration rather than on an active shield booster. A true passive tank is only truly used in PVP.
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Baar Luun
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Posted - 2008.09.05 14:34:00 -
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OK to clarify the statement that a drake does it quicker here some eft numbers with my skills BC5 HM5 BS4 CM4 both settups with 2cnBCU 1T2BCU full set of Faction launcher each: Drake DPS:436 volley:2336 exploradius:106 Raven DPS:522 volley:3076 exploradius:255 Raven with 5 hammerhead II Vs the 5 hobgoblins II the Drake can field.
look at the exploradius! as long as you are only killing BS/BC then the raven is about 20%faster but the moment you are forced to shoot something Cruisersize or smaller you lose at least half of your dps. The rangeadvantage of shooting 200km in the Raven is of little benefit compared to the 73km Drake. Every enemy there is will get closer. there is one mission where reinforcements warp in at very long range about 100km where it would be usefull to shoot so far but as far as i know/remember there is only one. as most missions spawn some fair amounts of small stuff i still think that the drake does most missions in equal or even faster time than the Raven especially if you do a lot of level 3 missis when your short on time for the day (or grind some standing for a new agent)
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Commander Nemesid
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Posted - 2008.09.05 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Baar Luun OK to clarify the statement that a drake does it quicker here some eft numbers with my skills BC5 HM5 BS4 CM4 both settups with 2cnBCU 1T2BCU full set of Faction launcher each: Drake DPS:436 volley:2336 exploradius:106 Raven DPS:522 volley:3076 exploradius:255 Raven with 5 hammerhead II Vs the 5 hobgoblins II the Drake can field.
If you can afford faction launchers you can afford CNR too. Then dps CNR > raven > drake .
If you wana compare, use T2 fit and both ships with same skills, BS4 and CM4 is diff from BS5 and CM5 .
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.09.05 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Baar Luun OK to clarify the statement that a drake does it quicker here some eft numbers with my skills BC5 HM5 BS4 CM4 both settups with 2cnBCU 1T2BCU full set of Faction launcher each: Drake DPS:436 volley:2336 exploradius:106 Raven DPS:522 volley:3076 exploradius:255 Raven with 5 hammerhead II Vs the 5 hobgoblins II the Drake can field.
look at the exploradius! as long as you are only killing BS/BC then the raven is about 20%faster but the moment you are forced to shoot something Cruisersize or smaller you lose at least half of your dps. The rangeadvantage of shooting 200km in the Raven is of little benefit compared to the 73km Drake. Every enemy there is will get closer. there is one mission where reinforcements warp in at very long range about 100km where it would be usefull to shoot so far but as far as i know/remember there is only one. as most missions spawn some fair amounts of small stuff i still think that the drake does most missions in equal or even faster time than the Raven especially if you do a lot of level 3 missis when your short on time for the day (or grind some standing for a new agent)
Drake is far superior to Raven in every single way for 3s. Nobody here is talking about that, though. Because nobody in their right mind would use a Battleship for level 3s (Domi being an exception).
The explosion radius isn't too important. It does make a difference when shooting elite frigates, but normal frigs die plenty fast and drones can take care of the small stuff anyway. The difference is negligible when shooting at cruisers. What's more important is that you're killing BS 25% faster, which is huge when you take into consideration how long it takes for the Drake to take one out. Also, you can get your explosion radius down to 210, I believe, with a 5% implant. (Guided Missile Precision 5 finishes in 3 days and then I can check )
What the Drake has over the Raven is a bit faster flight speed, better maneuverability and faster targeting. Situationally useful.. but when it comes to level 4s the Raven wins most of the time. I would only still prefer a Drake in some missions like Stop the Thief and some of the new "wave after wave of frigates" types. Unless you like to semi-AFK passive tank, then you might as well use a Drake.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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0rch1d
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Posted - 2008.09.06 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret Unless you like to semi-AFK passive tank, then you might as well use a Drake.
Guilty as charged.
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Darth Vaders
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.06 11:32:00 -
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You can do it in a Drake. Sure you can. You will be SLOW though. But lvl 4 in a Drake is perfectably doable.
You need good skills though. And you need tech II missile launchers. You also need at least 2 BCSII in the fit. But it is doable. |
Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.06 15:32:00 -
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Drake is not that slow as you think. I compared the DPS I do now with the DPS I would do in a CNR. The CNR had about 50 DPS more than the Drake. But I must say I specialised a little and gave my drake an additional BCS which lowers the tank a little....
Drake is great for L4, but yes it is slower than a Raven/CNR but with the latter you need to kill the rats faster as your tank does not hold out as long. I like the Drake as I am lazy chatting and doing market stuff etc during missions....
And after all: A Drake is fitted with max 100m ISK....to fit and buy a Raven or a CNR you need more...CNR alone costs you 450mil...
You should put some of your training time into tanking skill, Heavy Missiles to T2 [or go faction] and T2 Drones [5 T2 lights do wonders to your DPS, mine can kill smaller BSes even]
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