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Galan Amarias Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.09.05 06:12:00 - [91] Originally by: Galan Amarias Just for the reccord, I've been ratting my sec up just for this patch. I have always been an advocate of Suicide Ganking, now I plan to proove that it's still viabal and probably more profitable than ever. An untanked hauler dosen't need much killing and they should feel even safer with their afk loot now that ganking has been "nerfed." Ultimately suicide ganking relies on another player to be stupid. Stupidity can't be nerfed by CCP lord knows they've tried with all the warnings and tutorials and what not. Fear not friends, Jita may stop being the kill capitol of EVE, but idiots will still fund suicide ganking for us. -Galan Originally by: Shagrath Neptune finally, someone who gets "it" You sir are someone I would respect. Leaps and bounds over these guys who have been whining over it for the past week. Originally by: Malcanis Keep us posted. Oh I will, currently up to -2.4 I figure with some judicious editing of corp and personal info miners and other high sec dwellers will begin to trust me at roughly 0.0 The ultimate goal is to get near 5.0 where I'll recieve a sec discount since most haulers seem to be locked into he 0.0 sec status. Success will be reported. The folks in C&P are already testing new concord response times. Sooner or later we'll reinvent the lofty. Some have had success with corp infiltration though that's understandably more time consuming. -Galan Also and just for the reccord, suiciding recieved a major buff about a year ago when Freighters were made to drop their loot. It used to all go boom. CSM fails nano
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.09.05 06:18:00 - [92] /signed with the OP. He's on the ball with most of the points. Football? Hell yes.
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.09.05 06:19:00 - [93] Originally by: Galan Amarias Oh I will, currently up to -2.4 I figure with some judicious editing of corp and personal info miners and other high sec dwellers will begin to trust me at roughly 0.0 The ultimate goal is to get near 5.0 where I'll recieve a sec discount since most haulers seem to be locked into he 0.0 sec status. Success will be reported. The folks in C&P are already testing new concord response times. Sooner or later we'll reinvent the lofty. Some have had success with corp infiltration though that's understandably more time consuming. -Galan Also and just for the reccord, suiciding recieved a major buff about a year ago when Freighters were made to drop their loot. It used to all go boom. Shoot me a mail when you are ready to try it and I'd love to get in on it. Just to prove it can still be done, if nothing else. Also, LOFTY!!!!!! Where is that guy? ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.05 06:21:00 - [94] Originally by: Sakura Nihil /signed with the OP. He's on the ball with most of the points. I try. -------- EVE - The only non-consensual PvP MMORPG* *Note: does not contain non-consensual PvP as of 8/3/2008
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.05 07:54:00 - [95] So many sweet tears from wannabe PvPler who fail at killing anything, that might shoot back. Sorry guys but I have seen real carebears who whine a lot less, even while losing a lot of ships, they adapt and sometimes become PvP capable pilots. But many of those who posted here are of the lowest kind. You found a little loophole in the game mechanics and exploited it. Now it became slightly harder to make profit while suiciding and you cannot stop crying The minor group of PvP wannabes here, whines more then the entire Caldari Militia on a bad day. You may flame now. Oh and please keep your delicious tears flowing.
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.05 07:57:00 - [96] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon So many sweet tears from wannabe PvPler who fail at killing anything, that might shoot back. Sorry guys but I have seen real carebears who whine a lot less, even while losing a lot of ships, they adapt and sometimes become PvP capable pilots. But many of those who posted here are of the lowest kind. You found a little loophole in the game mechanics and exploited it. Now it became slightly harder to make profit while suiciding and you cannot stop crying The minor group of PvP wannabes here, whines more then the entire Caldari Militia on a bad day. You may flame now. Naw, you ain't worth it. -------- EVE - The only non-consensual PvP MMORPG* *Note: does not contain non-consensual PvP as of 8/3/2008
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:03:00 - [97] I call for EVE to be reset to Jan 1, 2006. That is the game I love, remember and want to play again. Of course I want to keep all the skills I've learned since that date.
Miyamoto Uroki Caldari KuhSchubsKlan	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:34:00 - [98] Nah, no set back. Changes are better.. - remove local channel as intel tool from low sec and 0.0 - heavily nerf lvl 4 high sec mission rewards - disallow npc corp members to pilot freighters - nerf nano ships (check...) - boost low sec rewards - nerf minerals from loot - change 0.0 sovereignty system (like far less POS warfare and more like that region, constellation, system structured process like suggested from one of the devs) - boost anti-blob weapons (nobody uses bombs as ships are way too sturdy and these 10 Stealthbomber pilots would be better used when in fleet battleships to increase numbers) Its just these few points, ya know. And boom, we would have an awesome game, even far better than in 2006 ^^ Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
Havohej Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.05 09:23:00 - [99] Originally by: Vikarion By chance - great, fortunate chance, or perhaps even blessing from a higher power - I discovered the wonderfully written story on the ambitious and daring heist by the fabled Guiding Hand Shining Club. [GH-SC] Guiding Hand Social Club - and this is why I joined EVE, too =) Here's what the OP is talking about for those who don't know (didn't read whole thread, idk if it has been linked yet or not). Originally by: Kai Zion Originally by: Vikarion CCP has decided - as elucidated by CCP Grayscale - that the illusion of danger is all that is needed in hi-sec. That's totally what he said. Well done. Look at all the sarcasm. But in fact, that's exactly what he said, using the phrase "in-principle." There is an amount of "in-principle" risk involved, that is true. And I actually kinda agreed with his stuff about how the first freighter gank happened before freighters even dropped loot and was for the sole purpose of screwing an enemy out of billions of ISK worth of needed supplies at the front line (I didn't look it up, taking his word for it tbh). I agree that suicide ganking something as big as a FREIGHTER should be a big, concerted op with a strategic purpose as well as potential profit... That being said, though, if a freighter is only carring 3-4b worth of assets, how many alliances are going to throw away 3-4b worth of battleships to kill it? It costs you as much as it costs the enemy you're trying to screw so I don't know many people who would go to that much trouble only to come out of it as badly as their target or WORSE if it fails because of the increased effectiveness of CONCORD (worse not only because you're then the only ones to lose ISK in the transaction, but also because you just KNOW the targets would be on the forum 4.5 seconds later to post about what how much you and your alliance fail for not managing to suicide gank a freighter - you know it would happen). So yeah, I agree with Vikarion - the way they've decided to make it, freighters will have only an illusion of danger in high-sec space. Everything else though, AFK blockade runners, T1 industrials, that stuff is still gonna die if it's carrying too much booty, I'm sure. If I can find time to rat my sec status up I might just poke around in a torphoon and see what I can find. Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/09/2008 00:46:41 Originally by: Beltantis Torrence That's odd, seems like there's a lot more ***ing and crying from people who claim to be hardcore PVP'ers (yet spend all their time chasing hulks and mission fit ships that pose no threat to them) cry and moan all day about changes that mean they might be forced to fight people who want to fight them back. I'm ok with 'non-consensual PVP' but I'm also not going to cry if the people I fight are prepped to fight back - I'm certainly not going to be like the OP and come cry about it here. Dude - your in Faction Warfare - the very antipathy of "non conseusual pvp" on which EVE was originaly based before the New Breed of WOW Devs took over. Your kills show you blobbing the feck out of the enemy. And flying cheap t1 fitted insured ships you don't care if you lose. OF course you wont cry if the enemy shoots back, as you don't lose anything, but an annoying run to the respawn ground (oursulaert for a new ship) SKUNK Skunk, I lub u. Originally by:** CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Luh Windan Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.09.05 09:36:00 - [100] Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki Nah, no set back. Changes are better.. - remove local channel as intel tool from low sec and 0.0 - heavily nerf lvl 4 high sec mission rewards - disallow npc corp members to pilot freighters - nerf nano ships (check...) - boost low sec rewards - nerf minerals from loot - change 0.0 sovereignty system (like far less POS warfare and more like that region, constellation, system structured process like suggested from one of the devs) - boost anti-blob weapons (nobody uses bombs as ships are way too sturdy and these 10 Stealthbomber pilots would be better used when in fleet battleships to increase numbers) Its just these few points, ya know. And boom, we would have an awesome game, even far better than in 2006 ^^ so basically - change the game so you have all the advantages at the expense of others. right. Perhaps while they are at it CCP could come round your house and do a bit of painting and decorating, buy you some new furniture - and a new computer, make your tea and perhaps even go to work for you to earn your subscription.

Havohej Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.05 09:38:00 - [101] Originally by: Lord Obsidian Why is it not acceptable for people to say the pirates need to change the way they play, but acceptable for pirates to demand everyone change the way they play eve, and infact demand all of eve is changed to suit their very narrow, non sustaining view of how the game should be? If CCP did what you want and made the game the way you want it, about 80% (a number often quoted as people who dont leave empire) would leave the game. Do you really think CCP could sustain eve then? Or would it go like Vanguard and close\down grade everything. You're pretty stupid. We're complaining about how CCP is changing the game to suit the pussies. If CCP did what we want and made the game the way we want it, 80% of their players would leave? You moron, the game already IS the way we want it and you still signed up, didn't you? Seriously... this post made me eve-search you to see if you're a troll or not, but it doesn't seem to be the case. I don't know what to make of the no posts since 2006 thing except maybe bought account or you got griefed out of the game in 2006 and came back recently. We're not saying CCP should buff pirates. We're not saying they should ADD ways for us to gank or extort people. We're saying they should leave it the hell alone - it's been fine for this long. When CCP makes a post like greyscale made, saying that suicide ganking freighters was never working as intended, it was always broken and now we're changing it, it sounds like a huge lie when the initial public responses are "this is a valid tactic, sorry about your luck." If it's broken or unintended, say so from the beginning, don't just cave to whines months later and say "oh, uh, we've felt this way the whole time so now we're going to change things." And even though you didn't mention metagaming, I wish people would quit using "oh that's so metagamey" as a valid reason to nerf something - CCP encourages meta gaming: it doesn't get any more meta than creating alts to scout/haul/mine/build/light cynos/mission/do research/invent/etc yet CCP encourages using multiple accounts (duh, who wouldn't!). All the people ***ing about meta gaming in EVE are dumber than me. Originally by:** CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Miyamoto Uroki Caldari KuhSchubsKlan	Posted - 2008.09.05 10:37:00 - [102] Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki Nah, no set back. Changes are better.. - remove local channel as intel tool from low sec and 0.0 - heavily nerf lvl 4 high sec mission rewards - disallow npc corp members to pilot freighters - nerf nano ships (check...) - boost low sec rewards - nerf minerals from loot - change 0.0 sovereignty system (like far less POS warfare and more like that region, constellation, system structured process like suggested from one of the devs) - boost anti-blob weapons (nobody uses bombs as ships are way too sturdy and these 10 Stealthbomber pilots would be better used when in fleet battleships to increase numbers) Its just these few points, ya know. And boom, we would have an awesome game, even far better than in 2006 ^^ so basically - change the game so you have all the advantages at the expense of others. right. Perhaps while they are at it CCP could come round your house and do a bit of painting and decorating, buy you some new furniture - and a new computer, make your tea and perhaps even go to work for you to earn your subscription. Care to explain, hmmm? Just give some examples plz. I don't care shit about my personnel needs, I am just looking at the overall bigger picture of the game, something you should try, I guess. If you think I am taking advantages out of these changes, well, I don't. Actually I am running lvl 4 missions in high sec empire most of the time. And why? Cause there is absolutely no advantage to go into low sec. The remove local as intel tool actually benefits Pirates (and it would be a much needed boost to piracy, as todays piracy is camping gates or doing suicide ganks. Thats not fun piracy...) and their prey alike, as also the piewats have to work around the missing intel tool. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.05 11:29:00 - [103] Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/09/2008 11:33:32 Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/09/2008 11:33:03 Originally by: Shagrath Neptune First of all, I wasn't really yelling at you but i take offense when some guy who admits that his pvp consists of high sec ganking and meta game mechanics lumps all FW pilots into one basket. You obviously never participated in it and it shows in your posts. Now I am not going to sit here and lie and say there is no blobbing and there aren't quite a few noobs in FW. There are. However, there is some high quality pvp in it as well. I for one fly around in FW solo in Hacs more than i am in a fleet or gang. I guess that would meet your conditions a) and b) huh? Yes... yes i have participated in FW. As soon as it came out, and due to large "WE ARE UBER WE ARE KILLING THE BIG ALLIANCES AND PIRATES" type self glorifying posts from the Faction warfare types I went up there to pop a few of the smug nubbits. Yes indeed some of the top pvpers in the game were there at the start. And it was interesting to note many of the best in the game are in fact ex-privateers (an alliance nerfed by a mighty unholy combination of carebear AND big alliance whining) I was solo up there, saw the blobs, saw the skill levels, and indeed infiltrated the galante militia and listened in on their comms. I even went along on a galantee fleet with my spy to fight the caldari, and after sitting on opposite sides of a gate for about 30 mins, I went AFK to get a drink , forgot i was in an imminent fleet fight. Here I realized the problem with FW. It was utterly pointless. Flying a fully insured t1 ship, with no hope of capturing anything or profiting in any way. As soon as i died - i went back to a respawn point (villore) and refit the exact same ship. Now heres an interesting kill Kill I noticed the galante fleet all idling at a planet in highsec, waiting for an FC (a lot of time in the npc milita was spent waiting around for someone to FC hitting x occasionally) So I fit up a SUICIDE smartbomb mega, evaded the higsec police, and smartbombed the entire fleet that was there. Only killed 7 of them was a bit disapointing but there we go. They were gobsmacked, and indeed many of them blocked me in local for not being sporting. Anyway i digress. Yes I know about faction warfare. Yes there are very small amounts of decent/excellent pilots in amongst them. Yes I have worked on the inside and saw how pointless it was Yes I have solod against the blobs in my main(mainly in a low sec smart bomber grabbing their intys out ahead of their fleet). TLDR: It galls me when people hold FW up as some sort of measure as to why they are infinitely superior to suicide gankers in terms of risk and some bizarre "honour" idea when a quick look on the killboards see them flying around caracals with t1 fits and ganking lone dudes with 30 other caracals. They operate at no risk. They operate with the same "honour" as a suicde ganker. They should shut up. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.05 11:42:00 - [104] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Galan Amarias Just for the reccord, I've been ratting my sec up just for this patch. I have always been an advocate of Suicide Ganking, now I plan to proove that it's still viabal and probably more profitable than ever. An untanked hauler dosen't need much killing and they should feel even safer with their afk loot now that ganking has been "nerfed." Ultimately suicide ganking relies on another player to be stupid. Stupidity can't be nerfed by CCP lord knows they've tried with all the warnings and tutorials and what not. Fear not friends, Jita may stop being the kill capitol of EVE, but idiots will still fund suicide ganking for us. -Galan Keep us posted. Its the removal of insurance planned that will kill of the profession. As soon as CCP can get their heads around how not to hurt noobs who accidentally shoot gates, get concorded, and go bankrupt. SKUNK
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.05 12:16:00 - [105] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Galan Amarias Just for the reccord, I've been ratting my sec up just for this patch. I have always been an advocate of Suicide Ganking, now I plan to proove that it's still viabal and probably more profitable than ever. An untanked hauler dosen't need much killing and they should feel even safer with their afk loot now that ganking has been "nerfed." Ultimately suicide ganking relies on another player to be stupid. Stupidity can't be nerfed by CCP lord knows they've tried with all the warnings and tutorials and what not. Fear not friends, Jita may stop being the kill capitol of EVE, but idiots will still fund suicide ganking for us. -Galan Keep us posted. Its the removal of insurance planned that will kill of the profession. As soon as CCP can get their heads around how not to hurt noobs who accidentally shoot gates, get concorded, and go bankrupt. SKUNK There's no particular reason for shooting gates to be a concordable offence. But really the easiest way would be for them to introduce a modal "are you sure?" popup that cannot be disabled. Oh, wait. There's that "technical possibility" dark and cold illusion thing again. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.05 13:39:00 - [106] Lots of Empire pirate whine in this thread. THIS THREAD DELIVERS! Remember boys and girls, lowsec and 0.0 are available for all your PvP needs! .
Rigala Alteran	Posted - 2008.09.05 18:27:00 - [107] For everyone ***ing about making money in 0.0 - I know plenty of people in nullsec that make 15+ bil/month. You're doing it wrong.**
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.09.05 19:28:00 - [108] The majority here think Vikarion is a complete tool. That pretty much summarizes all I have left to say in this redunked thread started by a crybaby.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2008.09.05 19:51:00 - [109] Originally by: Vikarion No, I'm afraid you don't. See, you seem to be under the impression that someone should hold your hand through the game, carefully sheperding you and your precious ISK so that not one is lost. And because you are so afraid to actually experience the game in any other form than that of a digital pixel collection simulation, you seek to selfishly ask for conditions which, while temporarily beneficial to you, will ultimately hurt not only every player, but even CCP. I live in 0.0. Between the two of us, the one who is more afraid is you. I live in a hostile enviroment where everyone can do anything they want. You on the other hand want to go to a lawful enviroment where YOU are sheltered from most of the dangers and have your way on it. Quote: Because of the way hi-sec/low-sec/0.0 are structured, the economic effect of a truly safe area is drastic upon the economies of areas which are hazardous. You refuse to acknowledge this, either because of a basic lack of understanding of economics, or worse, willing blindness to the material facts of the game. The hi-sec economy has been increasingly destructive to the other parts of the game, due chiefly to the fact that CCP has made safety and profitability far too high when compared to the price of ships and modules, and the earning capacity for individual pilots in 0.0. It cannot be argued that it is far easier to make massive sums of ISK in hi-sec, all without fear of retaliation. There is no significant difference for the economy between high sec as it was before this pacth and as it will be after insurance on criminal acts are removed. The effect of suicide ganks in the economy are neglectable. And yes, it is easier to make money in high sec, if you are competent enough, as much as it is easier to make money in Wall Street than it is by smuggling guns or trading drugs if you are big enough. On the other hand for the average player, the paralel of the common guy who earns his meager sallary every month, it is far easier to earn money doing illegal stuff, but far more dangerous. Eve economy is not unlike ours. And eve law and consequences shouldn't be as well. Quote: Regardless of the fact that CCP is breaking their promises about this being a hard, cold, and dangerous universe, the fact is that the actual market statistics bear me out. The massive ISK faucets of level four missions and other risk free activities continue to exacerbate the problem of more material available than is needed by the market. Market saturation for many items has already been reached. And because you don't want to face the fact that you ARE wrong, demonstrably, you instead head to the forums to call hurl insults at us when we protest this slow demolition of the game we love. You are the one wrong, and the one fretting and whining because things are not like YOU want. CCP broke no promises here. The game IS hard, cold and dangerous as much as you wish. Go to 0.0 and start to shoot people and you will see how much... ===== "If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron...
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.05 19:54:00 - [110] Originally by: Etho Demerzel The game IS hard, cold and dangerous as much as you wish. Go to 0.0 and start to shoot people and you will see how much... DUDE! You can't say things like that to pirate posters. They'll cry. You are mean. .

Takon Orlani Caldari Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2008.09.05 21:38:00 - [111] Originally by: Vikarion Edited by: Vikarion on 04/09/2008 05:31:31 Originally by: Woodwraith /raises a glass and loads a focus point script And all the people say: "Amen." Amen, *****es.
Shagrath Neptune Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:23:00 - [112] Originally by: Le Skunk Stuff Well at least you did try FW so I give you credit for that. However, just because you don't like it and feel they aren't fighting for anything doesn't mean it cannot be fun. One thing I do agree with you on 100% are there were tons of noobies at the beginning who didn't realize what they were getting into. They didn't realize the amount of isks that FW was going to subtract from their wallets. Therefore, many left or got discouraged. What is left are pirates who joined FW for more WTs in low sec and guys like me who have been waiting for something like FW to be introduced into the game because we didn't care for the 0.0 lifestyle. Guys like me enjoy simply fitting up a ship of MY choice and blowing others up and collecting KMs. Unless CCP expands on FW significantly, it is only going to be a nich part of EvE and not a major play style. I guess I look at FW in a better light than most because 1) I happen to be in a corp which has a top Amarr FC as our CEO so getting into a fleet is actually fun because our CEO makes it fun when he runs our fleets. It isn't the same crap everytime out and the guy knows what he is doing. 2) Since I am fighting for Amarr, I suspect there is a bit less blobbing here then there is on the Gallente-Caldari side. There are still blobs but they are easy enough to avoid. As far as not fighting for anything. Well like I said, i enjoy collecting KMs and putting the hurt on someone who is flying around in 250 million isk nano fitted recons. Knowing that dude thought he was invincible but just lost a lot of isk because of me makes it worth it and more importantly, fun. For now, that suits me. I agree though with those who say FW needs some more beefing up and hopefully, we will get it so more people will want to play it. Anyway, i have nothing against guys who kill carebears in high sec and steals their stuff. Whatever floats your boat. I don't even care if people whine about the new changes some. What irritates me is when people throw a temper tantrum and declare garbage like EvE = WoW just because their play style just got a bit harder. Hell, I started this game out nerfed since I trained up Amarr ships very early in my character's career. I adapted and dealt with the fact that Amarr sucked. Luckily, they are now a good race again. Things in these games will always change. Just deal with it imo.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:42:00 - [113] Given a choice between cost free empire gankage and Hello Kitty empire, I'll choose Hello Kitty just to screw over the whiners. However, I prefer an option where empire gankers have to work for their isk (no insurance). It keep the option of suiciding available for when you find those folks with 10 billion isk in officer fittings. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.06 01:12:00 - [114] Edited by: Vikarion on 06/09/2008 01:12:57 Originally by: Etho Demerzel I live in 0.0. Between the two of us, the one who is more afraid is you. I live in a hostile enviroment where everyone can do anything they want. You on the other hand want to go to a lawful enviroment where YOU are sheltered from most of the dangers and have your way on it. Huh. I don't know why I bother responding, but for the nth time, I. LIVE. IN. FOUNTAIN. Lemme check the sec-status. Oh, right. 0.0. So where do you live? I go to empire to trade and gank macro-ers. I used to be a griefer. And no, I'm not sorry at all for that - it was far more dangerous griefing than it was in 0.0. Null-sec is actually carebear heaven for most people. Although I at least got to help finish kicking Requiem out of Fountain. Though I've stated it several times, you consistently ignore the fact that the people here who oppose your views are veterans of 0.0 and low-sec, as well as hi-sec. Originally by: Etho Demerzel There is no significant difference for the economy between high sec as it was before this pacth and as it will be after insurance on criminal acts are removed. The effect of suicide ganks in the economy are neglectable. Wrong. Of course, you are right that the lack of insurance will not have much of an immediate economic effect - but that's as logical as pumping water out of CCP's fish tank and claiming that it's ok - after all, there are just as many fish in the tank after as before. The fact is that the danger of suicide ganks is sort of a "governor" on the engine of the hi-sec economy. Since carrying too much loot/materials/minerals tends to result in a gank, people carry smaller amounts. The nerf raises the effective threshold of what can be carried to around 9 billion for a freighter pilot, and as much or more battleships pilots, and slightly less for other ships. This is not even counting the improved Concord response times, which have effectively tripled the ships needed to effectively gank. This means that moving material around hi-sec will become essentially risk free, leading to much greater production. More production means more supply, and thus, saturation of the market. It also means that 0.0 and low-sec dwellers will be totally screwed, as opposed to partially screwed right now. Originally by: Etho Demerzel And yes, it is easier to make money in high sec, if you are competent enough, as much as it is easier to make money in Wall Street than it is by smuggling guns or trading drugs if you are big enough. On the other hand for the average player, the paralel of the common guy who earns his meager sallary every month, it is far easier to earn money doing illegal stuff, but far more dangerous. Eve economy is not unlike ours. And eve law and consequences shouldn't be as well. No, it is not. You've never tried piracy, or you wouldn't make such an idiotic statement. Illegal activity in Eve - aside from scamming - is so profit-less these days as to be punishing on the wallet. As for ratting - I rat in near-true-sec 0.0, and I used to mission with a faction fit CNR. Guess which one makes more money? Originally by: Etho Demerzel You are the one wrong, and the one fretting and whining because things are not like YOU want. CCP broke no promises here. The game IS hard, cold and dangerous as much as you wish. Go to 0.0 and start to shoot people and you will see how much... What CCP said was that their universe was a cold, dark universe. They promised non-consensual PvP and danger everywhere. What they are doing is effectively making PvP in hi-sec impossible except in theory. I call that lying. And I note that CCP tend to moderate people who attack carebears, but carebears are left untouched. Very nice. -------- EVE - The only non-consensual PvP MMORPG* *Note: does not contain non-consensual PvP as of 8/3/2008
Chance Rigsby Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.09.06 02:14:00 - [115] Originally by: Mankirks Wife I joined right at the start of Rev. II, and all I have to say from my own experience is that nobody whines louder, harder, or more eloquently than empire PvPers. Hmm - I don't know about that. Deep Space 0.0 miners might be a strong contender.
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.06 07:16:00 - [116] Originally by: Chance Rigsby Originally by: Mankirks Wife I joined right at the start of Rev. II, and all I have to say from my own experience is that nobody whines louder, harder, or more eloquently than empire PvPers. Hmm - I don't know about that. Deep Space 0.0 miners might be a strong contender. Drone space miners with Amaar-flying mains. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.06 07:26:00 - [117] Yeah, but Amarr actually needed a buff. And Minnie need a buff (I don't fly them, BTW). Carebears most emphatically DO NOT need to be buffed. -------- EVE - The only non-consensual PvP MMORPG* *Note: does not contain non-consensual PvP as of 9/3/2008
Whineroy	Posted - 2008.09.06 07:27:00 - [118] Originally by: Vikarion And I note that CCP tend to moderate people who attack carebears, but carebears are left untouched. Very nice. If CCP really moderated people who attack whining carebears, they'd moderate every single darn post made against you. Whoops, sorry, forgot. You aren't even a carebear. You are just a whining ganker nerd, yet another Internet Tough Guy. Makes me feel sorry for those real pirates at Eve who can actually show a coldly professional attitude to their business, instead of ganker nerds like OP who endlessly whine about how "carebears" are responsible for everything, from suicide gank nerf to JFK's assassination.
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.06 07:38:00 - [119] Edited by: Vikarion on 06/09/2008 07:40:13 Originally by: Whineroy If CCP really moderated people who attack whining carebears, they'd moderate every single darn post made against you. Whoops, sorry, forgot. You aren't even a carebear. You are just a whining ganker nerd, yet another Internet Tough Guy. Oh? So, because I seek to change the direction of the game via the same mechanic that seems to work for carebears (arguing and arguing and arguing my side), that makes me a nerd, and an Internet Tough Guy? In that case, since you are whining about my whining about their whining, what does that make you? As for an Internet Tough Guy, I don't think that that needs a response, but I find this entertaining. Therefore, my new nickname shall be Internet Tough Guy, or ITG for short. ITG shall continue to argue for his beliefs, because he is tough. He shall argue on the Internet, for he is INTERNETZ TOUGH. And he shall be known as GUY, for he is not a wimpy pansy like you! ALL HAIL INTERNET TOUGH GUY!!! Originally by: Whineroy Makes me feel sorry for those real pirates at Eve who can actually show a coldly professional attitude to their business, instead of ganker nerds like OP who endlessly whine about how "carebears" are responsible for everything, from suicide gank nerf to JFK's assassination. So, to be a "real" pirate, I have to give no input on the game, and never complain when people try to force me out of what I enjoy? Wouldn't you complain if someone made you stop using alts to post, since you seem to enjoy that so much? And seriously, "ganker nerds" as a phrase to describe me again? Seriously, don't you have any self-respect or creativity at all? Seriously, I mean, it's only two paragraphs, I'm sure you could think up something better than that...well, actually, I'm not sure. Seriously, nevermind. And I hardly accuse carebears of everything bad under the sun - the real fault lies with CCP for giving in to them. But I'm hardly going to get a good response if I start by saying "I hatez CCP and hopes they goez bankruptz!" I mean, they made Eve, so the got something right. Now we pirates, griefers, smart carebears, and 0.0 dwellers (like me!) just need to convince them to return to sanity. -------- EVE - The only non-consensual PvP MMORPG* *Note: does not contain non-consensual PvP as of 9/3/2008
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.06 07:53:00 - [120] I love it when people who can't play a video game unless they have invincible NPC buddies to help them call others "wimps" and "whiners". CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.



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