EVE Search - Maelstrom, yay or nay

Search EVE-Online forums for:

All Channels

Ships and Modules

Maelstrom, yay or nay

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] :: one page

Author	Topic
Maverick 52 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:19:00 - [1] I'm curious what you guys think of this fit, what it would be good at, what it would fail at, and how it could be improved. Lows: 3x Gyro II's 1x DCU II 1x Co-Processor II Mids: 1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster (800's) 2x Shield Boost Amps II's 2x Invul II's 1x X-Large Shield Booster II Highs: 8x 800mm Repeating Artillery (hail/barrage) Rigs: 2x Core Defense Capacitor safeguard I 1x Core Defense Operational Solidifier Drones: 4 Ogre II's or 5 Hammerhead II's 5 Warrior II's 5 Hornet EC-300 EFT Numbers all Lvl 5 (hah): Reinforced Defense Efficiency: 1129 Total DPS (Ogre II & Hail): 1144 Turret DPS (Hail/Barrage): 890/699 Cap Use: -75 Cap Gain +75.2 EHP: 70,214 Shield Resistance(em/therm/kin/exp): 55% / 64% / 72% / 82%
Dalek Commander	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:35:00 - [2] What are you going to be doing with it? No nuets, MWD or ewar, so I'm guessing then it's for mission running, or ratting? In that case, get a Phoon and slap on some cruise missiles and ogre/beserker IIs. Much cheaper, and more effective. Also, keep in mind that DPS you listed is for a target within 3k of your ship. Once you go into falloff your DPS plummets. So, without a AB or MWD good luck keeping anything close enough for the full damage of those ACs. Final thoughts... Till the devs fix Minmatar battleships roll caldari or amarr.
Evanade Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:37:00 - [3] For gang pvp thats pretty good, sweet dps and great tank and hp buffer. For PVE, it sucks. --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Mercenaries International Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:45:00 - [4] option C: ewww???
Maverick 52 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Dalek Commander What are you going to be doing with it? No nuets, MWD or ewar, so I'm guessing then it's for mission running, or ratting? In that case, get a Phoon and slap on some cruise missiles and ogre/beserker IIs. Much cheaper, and more effective. Not specifically. Yeah it could probably do that, but being dependent on cap boosters makes PVE ability a little "meh". However for PVP if you had a decent small gang, you might be able to see some sucess IMO. Possibly could be good for a pirate duo in low sec (need to gang w/ something that can tackle). Originally by: Dalek Commander Also, keep in mind that DPS you listed is for a target within 3k of your ship. Once you go into falloff your DPS plummets. So, without a AB or MWD good luck keeping anything close enough for the full damage of those ACs. Final thoughts... Till the devs fix Minmatar battleships roll caldari or amarr. Agreed.
Dalek Commander	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:51:00 - [6] This is how broken AC's are and active shield tanking is... [Maelstrom, Pulse Plates] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II 100MN Digital Booster Rockets Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Compulsive Multispectral ECM I Compulsive Multispectral ECM I Mega Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I 116k EFT, 414 DPS/2108 Volley (no drones), Ewar plus RR and an MWD to GTFO. Those are just Tech 1 Pulses, and the optimal is at 14 with another 10 more fall off. It gets really silly when you put T2 on.. Scorch puts you out to 45 optimal, but dps suffers a little however with Conflag crystals you're at almost 500 DPS without drones.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:12:00 - [7] Some great Maelstrom action in this vid... Claw uses a solo fit in that vid... --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:13:00 - [8] I get better DPS from lasers on a mael than I do with artillery. That's how much large projectiles suck. Go with a torp phoon or train for a raven. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.04 18:24:00 - [9] A couple of comments: - Co Procs suck. - 2x SBA?? - No MWD/AB on an AC boat??? - T2 Hvy Cap Boosters are FTW, an extra Cap 800. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Maverick 52 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.09.04 19:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren A couple of comments: - Co Procs suck. - 2x SBA?? - No MWD/AB on an AC boat??? - T2 Hvy Cap Boosters are FTW, an extra Cap 800. -Liang - Co-Proc is needed to fit, yeah it sucks, but really the only other things i can think for that slot is a tracking enhancer or signal amp, and then you have to modify around those mods, and I don't think they're useful enough for that. - 2x SBA give a higher defense rating than a specific hardener, or anything else i could think of. A large extender could be used for more buffer HP, but the 2nd sba makes the difference in 1200HP repped, and 1400HP repped. -Yeah, unfortunately you cant have it all. This is why it wouldn't work solo, and why you need a gang w/ tackles. -T2 is better, GJ. I forgot to see if one would fit after adding the co-proc, and it does.

Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.04 19:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Maverick 52 - Co-Proc is needed to fit, yeah it sucks, but really the only other things i can think for that slot is a tracking enhancer or signal amp, and then you have to modify around those mods, and I don't think they're useful enough for that. ECCM Backup arrays help you not get jammed, and PDU's give you more cap/shield buffer. Quote: - 2x SBA give a higher defense rating than a specific hardener, or anything else i could think of. A large extender could be used for more buffer HP, but the 2nd sba makes the difference in 1200HP repped, and 1400HP repped. Invuls/Hardeners give you more resists, and thus more EHP. Also, SBA's don't help you if you're being neuted. Quote: -Yeah, unfortunately you cant have it all. This is why it wouldn't work solo, and why you need a gang w/ tackles. At least fit a MWD in place of the second SBA. It might even let you lose the Co Proc for a backup array, PDU, Gyro, or TE. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.04 22:37:00 - [12] Nay. Fly an Abaddon
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.05 06:37:00 - [13] Maelstrom is a cool little thing. The setup OP uses is pretty good for small gang PVP, if you have tacklers. I usually slap on projectile ambit extension rigs to add range, I think with one or two of those you should fire out to 45km with barrage, 30km with rep.fleet emp. DPS should be around 1200 with ogre ii's. Tank should be around 900, with a low grade crystal you will tank like a beast. However, it will not even solo-beat a EHP tanked raven in most cases unless you get to range, simply because it's active tanked and sucks cap like a monster. :( In most small gang warfare though it is a really fun ship, good tracking, good range, almost always top-damage on any killmails.
Karenzi No Trademark Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:51:00 - [14] if you are using a t2 x-l booster, coproc is almost unavoidable. i would get rid of the 2nd sba though and switch it with a mwd or a point or a eccm. otherwise, that's my exact fit. great small gang pvp ship, especially in low sec
Aziz Hekato Vitai Lampada	Posted - 2008.09.05 20:02:00 - [15] Edited by: Aziz Hekato on 05/09/2008 20:04:02 This is my setup, and I think its fine: [LOWS] 1xGyrostabilizer II 1xGyrostabilizer II 1xGyrostabilizer II 1xDamage Control II 1xLADAR Backup Array II [MED] 1xLarge Shield Booster II 1xPhoton Scattering Field II 1xInvulnerability Field II 1xInvulnerability Field II 1xHeavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I 1xQuad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets [HIGH] 1x 800mm Heavy 'Scouts' Repeating Artillery I (Rep Fleet EMP) 1x 800mm Heavy 'Scouts' Repeating Artillery I (Rep Fleet EMP) 1x 800mm Heavy 'Scouts' Repeating Artillery I (Rep Fleet EMP) 1x 800mm Heavy 'Scouts' Repeating Artillery I (Rep Fleet EMP) 1x 800mm Heavy 'Scouts' Repeating Artillery I (Rep Fleet EMP) 1x 800mm Heavy 'Scouts' Repeating Artillery I (Rep Fleet EMP) 1x 800mm Heavy 'Scouts' Repeating Artillery I (Rep Fleet EMP) 1x 800mm Heavy 'Scouts' Repeating Artillery I (Rep Fleet EMP) [RIGS] 1xAnti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I 1xCore Defence Field Extender I 1xCore Defence Field Extender I Can't give you any figures atop of my head, but according to EFT this gives me (without a all-lvl-5 char): 75/70/72/77 Resistance 12k Shield HP 85k EHP 678 DPS (in optimal with Republic EMP) Note: Without any drones 2316 Volley 797ms. Stick a 3% electronicimplant into your head and you can fit a XL Booster. Since this fit has a MWD its pretty usable in gangPVP, and with the backup array Im hoping that those pesky falcons gets a harder time jamming me while I shine. This is what I get with my current skills. _____________________________ Entering the Intergalactic Summit forum is like walking into a Startrek convention; All you'll see is a bunch of nerds and you'll go "WTF?"
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.05 20:59:00 - [16] best Malestorm fit I have seen although my fittings are biased toward small gang lowsec fights.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.05 21:01:00 - [17] Most expensive, sure... but not the best. The Thon's was what, 450M? If I were honestly going to fit a Mael out without a MWD, I'd be forced to fit ambits to make the best of my range. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.05 21:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Aziz Hekato ... 678 DPS (in optimal with Republic EMP) Note: Without any drones Just a friendly reminder that the above 678 DPS setup does 261 tracking-independant DPS at 23km. Your average raven tops 1k at 30km. Just sayin'.
Aziz Hekato Vitai Lampada	Posted - 2008.09.05 21:31:00 - [19] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Aziz Hekato ... 678 DPS (in optimal with Republic EMP) Note: Without any drones Just a friendly reminder that the above 678 DPS setup does 261 tracking-independant DPS at 23km. Your average raven tops 1k at 30km. Just sayin'. Not sure what you mean with tracking-independant, but this setup is intended to be used in a gang where your mates got webbers and scrams, wich would decrease the transversal velocity and make it easier for the turrets to track the target. I also don't intend to use it at those ranges, partly hence the MWD. :) _____________________________ Entering the Intergalactic Summit forum is like walking into a Startrek convention; All you'll see is a bunch of nerds and you'll go "WTF?"
Aziz Hekato Vitai Lampada	Posted - 2008.09.05 21:32:00 - [20] Edited by: Aziz Hekato on 05/09/2008 21:31:59 oops _____________________________ Entering the Intergalactic Summit forum is like walking into a Startrek convention; All you'll see is a bunch of nerds and you'll go "WTF?"

AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.05 21:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Aziz Hekato Not sure what you mean with tracking-independant, but this setup is intended to be used in a gang where your mates got webbers and scrams, wich would decrease the transversal velocity and make it easier for the turrets to track the target. I also don't intend to use it at those ranges, partly hence the MWD. :) Meaning if the turrets have no issues tracking - IE if you're shooting a control tower or something.
Aziz Hekato Vitai Lampada	Posted - 2008.09.05 21:34:00 - [22] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Aziz Hekato Not sure what you mean with tracking-independant, but this setup is intended to be used in a gang where your mates got webbers and scrams, wich would decrease the transversal velocity and make it easier for the turrets to track the target. I also don't intend to use it at those ranges, partly hence the MWD. :) Meaning if the turrets have no issues tracking - IE if you're shooting a control tower or something. Ah I see, well as I said in my previous post, these figures are from EFT since I couldnt remember the actual once. Everything can't be perfect. _____________________________ Entering the Intergalactic Summit forum is like walking into a Startrek convention; All you'll see is a bunch of nerds and you'll go "WTF?"

Pages: [1] :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.