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Vallintinus	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:08:00 - [1] I know everyone is complaining about the lag in Eve. I debate canceling my subscription on occasion because the lag is so ridiculous. So I was wondering; why doesn't CCP just set up a brand new server? I was wondering how many others would embrace a desolate New server but Without lag, if the option existed?
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:10:00 - [2] Don't feed the troll kids... and No. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
Dark 'Shadow Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:11:00 - [3] It isn't going to happen, the whole everyone being on one server thing is one of the games major appeals rather than WoW or something.
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:13:00 - [4] Edited by: Doc Fury on 05/09/2008 22:13:16 Because EVE isn't operated on a single "server" but it is a single "instance". What they need to do is add a bunch more physical servers to the pile they are already running, but CCP would rather just do more advertising and obtain their profit from the subscriber churn-rate. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:14:00 - [5] I think a great many people would jump at the chance assuming they could transfer their current accounts to the new server. however, that is not going to happen. EVE is a single server, single universe (china withstanding of course). Thats always been the vision. It always will be. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
Vallintinus	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Don't feed the troll kids... and No. This made me laugh, but you at least answered the question. I asked Originally by: Vallintinus I was wondering how many others would embrace a desolate New server but Without lag, if the option existed? Please focus on "Option and Existed".
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:21:00 - [7] It's not worth considering because it will never happen. ----------
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Vallintinus I know everyone is complaining about the lag in Eve. I debate canceling my subscription on occasion because the lag is so ridiculous. So I was wondering; why doesn't CCP just set up a brand new server? I was wondering how many others would embrace a desolate New server but Without lag, if the option existed? If you make a new server, I'm up for it. But please let me copy over my character from the current server. Me and every other player. Because with a new server where everyone starts fresh (sounds nice), it would effectively kill the old server, because in short, what player in their right mind would join a server where they could face an opponent 5 years old, instead of a server where everyone is much newer? Oh, but that's part of the point of the new server, you say? Betraying and losing a massive portion of the playerbase (I daresay the vast majority) and killing their chances of the universe they've invested the last so-many years every growing and thriving? Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:22:00 - [9] So my answer is that yes, a new server would mean much less lag. But I doubt for all the reasons you expect. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Dorian 'Gray Gallente Ramdon Industries corporation	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:25:00 - [10] again ? search forums please. In our lifetime those who kill The newsworld hands them stardom And these are the ways On which I was raised......

Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:36:00 - [11] I rather have a single server with twice the hardware than two servers. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Vallintinus	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Ruze If you make a new server, I'm up for it. But please let me copy over my character from the current server. Me and every other player. Because with a new server where everyone starts fresh (sounds nice), it would effectively kill the old server, because in short, what player in their right mind would join a server where they could face an opponent 5 years old, instead of a server where everyone is much newer? Oh, but that's part of the point of the new server, you say? Betraying and losing a massive portion of the playerbase (I daresay the vast majority) and killing their chances of the universe they've invested the last so-many years every growing and thriving? Im not sure if this is a Troll here, but what ever? Yeah, Transfer of course; that you think it would be as you painted it; all emotional and using words like "fare" as though creating another server would be cheating, thats why I say I think you are a Troll. I dont care what server I would play on, so long as there is not LAG. Its about an "OPTION". I take it that contrary to what you said about being "up for it"; you really are Not up for it and do not want the "Option" to "Exist".
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:38:00 - [13] i can see it now EVE Online hits masternerdguy's wallet wrecking 99 damage
Jaabaa Prime Minmatar Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:39:00 - [14] Troll food ? --
Sharupak Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:40:00 - [15] Edited by: Sharupak on 05/09/2008 22:45:02 SHH _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:42:00 - [16] i only experience bad lag in high-traffic areas like Jita or Motsu... but i still think a new server would be very interesting because the current server is getting very crowded. most of 0.0 is already spoken for by huge super-alliances. all the high quality moons are already claimed. and many markets are already monopolized by mega-corps with vast resources, or T2 BPO's from way-back-when. any new corps or alliances pretty much have very few options to rise up all on their own... there are no new frontiers or undiscovered lands... i think CCP should add new regions... perhaps some that are so remote and wild, that rats wouldn't give any bounties or belong to any known faction, but their loot would be very valuable. there might not even be stargates to all the systems yet... so then "exploration" can be true to its name for finding new systems, and then allowing players to build stargates to them. it is a fact of most MMO's with shards that any new server will eventually get all full and crowded like the old ones, but then they just add more. EVE does not experience this because it does not have shards. it just gets full and crowded and... that's it. we don't necessarily want a separate shard, but we do want more space. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:42:00 - [17] Edited by: Banana Torres on 05/09/2008 22:42:09 I would be in favour of a split. Then one of the clusters could be marked as PvE only and in the other CONCORD is disbanded. Yeah, to totally ignore the original idea behind the game.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Alora Venoda i only experience bad lag in high-traffic areas like Jita or Motsu... but i still think a new server would be very interesting because the current server is getting very crowded. most of 0.0 is already spoken for by huge super-alliances. all the high quality moons are already claimed. and many markets are already monopolized by mega-corps with vast resources, or T2 BPO's from way-back-when. any new corps or alliances pretty much have very few options to rise up all on their own... there are no new frontiers or undiscovered lands... i think CCP should add new regions... perhaps some that are so remote and wild, that rats wouldn't give any bounties or belong to any known faction, but their loot would be very valuable. there might not even be stargates to all the systems yet... so then "exploration" can be true to its name for finding new systems, and then allowing players to build stargates to them. it is a fact of most MMO's with shards that any new server will eventually get all full and crowded like the old ones, but then they just add more. EVE does not experience this because it does not have shards. it just gets full and crowded and... that's it. we don't necessarily want a separate shard, but we do want more space. More space is awesome. More hisec systems, many many many more losec systems, and a couple new 0.0 regions in general. Downside of this is that the game is divided into hidden nodes, and so many systems fit on a node and share the 'lag' of any one or all of those systems. More hardware is needed for more nodes, and more nodes are needed for more systems, in order to have any noticeable effect on lag. However, I think we'll see more improvement when their new tech comes down the pipe. As far as I understand, CCP has to change many parts of their coding in order for it to work with their hyper whatever. When they get all this groundwork done, it's supposed to allow them to not only have many more players in system, but also experience smoother gameplay, as well as put in more systems. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
lethario desrtuction Infusion. G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.05 23:25:00 - [19] eve's new second server have fun By the way when you leave can I have your stuff ?
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.09.05 23:30:00 - [20] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 05/09/2008 23:30:19 Originally by: Vallintinus I know everyone is complaining about the lag in Eve. I debate canceling my subscription on occasion because the lag is so ridiculous. So I was wondering; why doesn't CCP just set up a brand new server? I was wondering how many others would embrace a desolate New server but Without lag, if the option existed? Not even worth considering. Wont happen. should not happen. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL

remo man Invicta.	Posted - 2008.09.05 23:33:00 - [21] hey i know! lets take the one thing that marketing love the most and lets face it kids is what gives eve its great community base structure and turn into commercial trash in one move. A new server without lag isnt eve, even if you cant see past hating the lag.
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.05 23:45:00 - [22] Dude this is the first time someone has suggested this. I thought it was so important I talked to Molle, he gave me Dian's msn , Dian gave me a dev who will remain nameless msn i convo'd him/her and asked him/her about starting a new server they said no i said respect your bob overlords they said yes and we get a new server on the next patch day. * *this may not be true If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Jen Lee	Posted - 2008.09.06 00:06:00 - [23] Adding another server would effectively kill this one. After all the hard work I put in, I probably would take the opportunity to just finally walk away stooping my addiction. As for lag, very rarely do I see it. Could it be your setup, Isp, your habitual desire to go to Jita on a Sunday? The last thing I want is "Wow" in space.
Vallintinus	Posted - 2008.09.06 01:23:00 - [24] I still dont see what the big deal is? I haven't got as much time spent in the game as some of you posting here, which is why it doesn't strike me as a big deal? I am not emotionally attached to Tranquility. For the long timers that are scared of a population reduction; I am not saying "Split" the server; I am saying, as an option, Create a new server. The only reason I created this thread was because lag, at certain times, is stupid. I am not talking about a spike here or there, a teeny, tiny, hitch. I'm talking about the same lag that is being posted about time and time again! I started this thread to ask opinions as to IF another option existed. Maybe when I have over millions of skill points? and Trillions of isk, or a massive empire; I will not want anyone to have the "Option" also? Or God forbid, Ask a question about Change? I will say things, like, "Deal with the lag, there is no other "choice"; Or, "CCP says there is a new Hyper threaded server being created by IBM, when it is done all will be dandy". "You'll see". The hype-er threaded server designed and engineered by IBM, sounds really fantastic. It is an option at fixing the lag in the future. I really like this game! but, alas, I am not a fanboi. I play presently like 40k other players. I asked a what if question on the forums, Of the existing and GROWING 40k players, if another server came online NOW, to address the lag, Would you transfer? Why so serious? Why so serious, over a what if question? p.s. If you want my money/things; get on your knees, put your hands on my hips, ever so slightly, tilt your face up, and I will put my "Stuff" between your eyes.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.09.06 01:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Vallintinus I was wondering how many others would embrace a desolate New server but Without lag, if the option existed? -258 inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.06 02:37:00 - [26] Look, kid, you don't seem to get it. Eve is sold on the fact it is one "Realm/Server/Domain/Instance" with everyone playing concurrently, as opposed to tons of "Previously Mentioned Shit." Old players are not scared of a split, but breaking the thing that makes Eve as awesome as it is. Don't be fooled, this will not happen no matter how many people want it to, because in doing so you have to split the hardware or buy more. Splitting reduces TQ's performance even more and you would probably end up with 2 worse servers than current anyway. Buying more hardware = more costs (Way more, you need new hardware and space for the new hardware, aswell as more developers to manage the new server, more GM's to manage it, etc) Put it this way, there is Zero upside. There are a few ways it can pan out. Everyone starts again, doing things they have already done, CCP shells out more money for new kit/staff, the market spends a few months or so sorting itself, etc. Everyone can "Copy" their skills over but their assets remain nill, market starts fresh, CCP invests, etc etc. Everyone Starts again, CCP Splits current hardware and Dev time, both servers become mere ghost halls due to the sudden "WHAT THE LAG" bombs. Everyone copies, ccp splits, etc. You get the idea, its a morons way of trying to fix a problem, read: Door for a Window. The true way for eve to go forward is Infiniband (being worked on) Moar Hardwares! (Hopefully being invested in) and More systems to populate (Only once hardware is invested in) and the UI getting its ass whipped into shape to something that doesnt give you a headache on day 2.
Descrambled	Posted - 2008.09.06 03:29:00 - [27] I think splitting the server is a horrid idea and beyond silly. I have met many EVE players in real life and its great we can all play together. Just imagine if we played a whack MMO like World of Warcraft. Then we'd have to worry bout server transfers or rerolling to play together. Do people even think things through when they write crap like this thread.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.06 05:12:00 - [28] Quote: I was wondering how many others would embrace a desolate New server but Without lag, if the option existed? Short answer? Every new guy would love a new server and all the current Alliance ho's and old timers would hate it.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.06 06:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Soporo Quote: I was wondering how many others would embrace a desolate New server but Without lag, if the option existed? Short answer? Every new guy would love a new server and all the current Alliance ho's and old timers would hate it. Now you're just being stupid. We old timers would love a new server. We'd create a character, maybe a few, and use our knowledge of how Eve works to corner the market on everything imaginable, just as happened on Serenity when the Chinese Tranq players started there. We'd know what to invest in, where to go, and how to do it, even in frigs, much better than any new player would. So even though we'd have fairly similar SPs, but not for long, we'd be the rulers of a new server in no time. Basically, we'd know what our limitations are, and exploit our advantages to a degree that would be staggering, especially since we could exploit the limitations of less-knowledgeable players as well. Hell, this happens on Tranq now. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows

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