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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:50:00 -
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soo inflation is prudy bad and mean old soundwave wants to reduce bounties on all npc's by 10%...
this is mainly because drone regions are loosing thier combat mining and getting bounties so expect inflation to get even worse if nothing is done...
so how does the community feel about this?
Personally i think if you want to reduce isk income why not make the npc's harder to kill and make them hit harder aswell? give them a modified sleeper a.i. that way you reduce isk per hour but keep bounties untouched? make npc's pod you in 0.0
or is it just simpler to reduce bounties? but i feel that reduction in bounties makes it like... ok old players who are already rich you get to stay rich but all those new players well tuff deal with it type of thing?
discuss.... |
Selinate
699
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:52:00 -
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NERF INCURSIONS! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
524
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:53:00 -
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reduce q20 l4s remove concord from incursions |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:54:00 -
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Selinate wrote:NERF INCURSIONS!
already happening but TBH incursions are a problem but a small part of the ISK faucet pie...
by far missions complexes and annoms/ratting are where most of the isk comes from in eve...
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Selinate
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:56:00 -
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On a more serious note, I'd rather see them buff isk sinks.
MOAR TAXES. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:56:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:reduce q20 l4s remove concord from incursions
what like make best l4 q15 or something like that?
i would like the whole mission system to be revamped...
make missions alot more harder with less payout but make them more engaging from a story line perspective... make thier eventual progression to push you into Faction warfare and PVP... heck make L4 mission have a pvp component in them...
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
200
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:58:00 -
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Selinate wrote:On a more serious note, I'd rather see them buff isk sinks.
MOAR TAXES.
what like if you want to take the nefarious superhighways you have to pay a tax eq to your ships mass? that way it would be cheaper to either stay in your region or try to be sneaky in low sec? |
Selinate
700
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:00:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Selinate wrote:On a more serious note, I'd rather see them buff isk sinks.
MOAR TAXES. what like if you want to take the nefarious superhighways you have to pay a tax eq to your ships mass? that way it would be cheaper to either stay in your region or try to be sneaky in low sec?
I'd say put a tax in low sec also, just because it would be hilarious.
"YARGH, WE BE PIRATES"
"Sorry sir, you can't jump through for the booty until you pay the jump toll"
"argh....." |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
524
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:03:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:reduce q20 l4s remove concord from incursions what like make best l4 q15 or something like that? no I mean just go back to when there was a far smaller amount of Q20 L4 agents so ninja salvagers/suicide gankers/general guys who troll highsec bears have a lot easier time for it because they're all bunched up in a handful of systems |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
200
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:05:00 -
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Selinate wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Selinate wrote:On a more serious note, I'd rather see them buff isk sinks.
MOAR TAXES. what like if you want to take the nefarious superhighways you have to pay a tax eq to your ships mass? that way it would be cheaper to either stay in your region or try to be sneaky in low sec? I'd say put a tax in low sec also, just because it would be hilarious. "YARGH, WE BE PIRATES" "Sorry sir, you can't jump through for the booty until you pay the jump toll" "argh....."
actually that could be cool... like in 0,0 you own sov of the system and keeping a working stargate system can be expensive... think isk sink... so now you tax people when they jump threw your systems...
of coarse there would have to be ways to bypass this like having a hacking mod or skills that can reduce the price...
so what i am thinking is well if more isk is comming into eve make more isk sinks to take it away?
like wadges for your ships crew?
more personal upkeep costs...
cleaning lady cost to keep your CQ clean?
tip for exotic dancers... lol
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:07:00 -
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Assuming majority of generated ISK is from the spawnable sites in null, nerf Sanctums!
Oh wai... already tried that and null emo-raged until CCP backtracked, causing another spike in prices for everyone not botting/ratting in null.
Across the board, everywhere in Eve: Half of existing ISK bounties to be "paid" in material goods. Alleviates some of the "Need more workers!" woes as miners are not exactly crawling out of the woodwork, makes sense that more stuff drops considering the PvP drop chances, easier to modify for CCP as items represent an indirect and market determined value thus people won't get insta-ulcers and have veins popping all over the place if/when tweaked. Hell, mix it up why don't we .. Thar be Pirates! Have some drop 'treasure maps' infrequently (read: bookmarks) to whatever type of site the rat in question is associated with .. exploration by killing stuff, what is not to like * Note: Sites should not be as good as actual exploration! |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:08:00 -
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I'm in favour of applying the adjustments where the problems are.
Whilst I'm not adverse to CCP adding to sinks if for instance bounties are the issue then reduce them. Boosting taxes to pay for disproportionate bounty incomes means someone else could end up having to foot the bill for a problem not directly relevant to themselves.
So in short apply remedies accordingly accross the board as a shared aspect based on the level of the problems they are causing. Surely this is the most sensible and logical way to eliviate those problematic features accordingly at the same time? Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
290
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:09:00 -
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It's never solely about ISK faucets. Think about it: there are other types of faucets as well, such as mineral faucets, moon goo faucets, etc. What needs to be done is that all of these faucets become properly balanced against one another. This most likely entails a moderate nerf to high-sec incursions and null-sec anomalies, a slight boost to null-sec ratting (which at the same time nerfs botting, by making the money come from selling dropped tags from each rat for example), and a significant boost to all types of belt mining.
Getting rid of ISK generation entirely is deathly wrong. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:09:00 -
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Let the drone drop change and prices run thier course and see where things land. If mining becomes more valuable than shooting rats, the monetary expansion will slow down. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
524
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:14:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Assuming majority of generated ISK is from the spawnable sites in null, nerf Sanctums!
Oh wai... already tried that and null emo-raged until CCP backtracked, causing another spike in prices for everyone not botting/ratting in null. you should read up on CCP Screegs' presentation on botting - 75% of bots are in highsec. not that i'd expect a cva member to actually rat in their lousy space |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:24:00 -
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Selinate wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Selinate wrote:On a more serious note, I'd rather see them buff isk sinks.
MOAR TAXES. what like if you want to take the nefarious superhighways you have to pay a tax eq to your ships mass? that way it would be cheaper to either stay in your region or try to be sneaky in low sec? I'd say put a tax in low sec also, just because it would be hilarious. "YARGH, WE BE PIRATES" "Sorry sir, you can't jump through for the booty until you pay the jump toll" "argh....." So something like this?
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
44
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:25:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:Assuming majority of generated ISK is from the spawnable sites in null, nerf Sanctums!
Oh wai... already tried that and null emo-raged until CCP backtracked, causing another spike in prices for everyone not botting/ratting in null. you should read up on CCP Screegs' presentation on botting - 75% of bots are in highsec. not that i'd expect a cva member to actually rat in their lousy space What does CVA have to with anything?
You have a link to his stats, the only thing of his I can find is the useless "we are on it" blog with a picture of dried fish. At any rate, I'd reckon the high-sec bots are miners pumping out lowends whereas null bots are doing raw ISK .. damage to Eve from ISK bots is higher I think.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
524
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:30:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote: You have a link to his stats, the only thing of his I can find is the useless "we are on it" blog with a picture of dried fish. At any rate, I'd reckon the high-sec bots are miners pumping out lowends whereas null bots are doing raw ISK .. damage to Eve from ISK bots is higher I think.
no problem
https://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE/status/183181587096158208/photo/1/large
more botters were found in The Forge then in all of nullsec combined. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
420
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:40:00 -
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much higher wardec cost, no more griefing a corp for 2mil or alliance for 50mil more taxes, this will also make market skills more useful. nerfing vanguards a bit more LP rewards in the LP stores<- these are great isk sinks nerfing bounties across the board i don't mind a whole lot but i think it should be the last resort thing. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
290
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:49:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:much higher wardec cost, no more griefing a corp for 2mil or alliance for 50mil Now, I'm not saying 2 million war fees are entirely fair, but bear with me on this.
What you're saying is essentially that honest empire pvpers (we're not talking morality here, but exploitation of game mechanics via botting) should be penalized by having to pay off the excessive ISK that their targets, many of whom make heavy use of bots, generate. How is this a good way to offset ISK faucet imbalance? War fees might need to get adjusted for balance reasons, but not anything else. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
526
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Posted - 2012.03.26 05:22:00 -
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wrote:much higher wardec cost, no more griefing a corp for 2mil or alliance for 50. Herping yourDerp's Plan to Reduce Isk Injection - increase fines on PVP
lol |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
15
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:05:00 -
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No more taxes.
Leave bounties alone.
BUT: Use the LP store more effectively as an isk sink! Convert agent isk payout completely to LP.
Offer more "isk instead of tag" options in the LP store! Of course balance it carefully against current prices. That-¦s why they pay you DEVs the big bugs after-all. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
391
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:12:00 -
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Hmm, I thought long and hard, hard and long. For a long time my thoughts were very hard. Then I realised I didn't care.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
56
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:25:00 -
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I agree with Ivar. The ISK costs of LP store items pale in comparison to their market or contract isk cost. If the ISK costs of items in LP stores were dramatically increased, that would create a big ISK sink.
Missions already give more LPs than I know what to do with though. I think there should be a LP amount reduction because my LPs aren't worth jack since there are too many LP faucets. Maybe increase the LP cost of faction items too. Considering their ISK and LP costs are usually just a small fraction of their value, while the real cost is from the items you have to trade in for them, it makes the LPs worthless and fails as an ISK sink.
So maybe the solution would be to double the LP and ISK costs of the items while cutting their trade-in item costs in half.
I was also thinking the drone compounds could be made into an item that can be turned into LP stores along with ISK and LPs to get certain faction goods. That'll take care of making them valuable while taking away the mineral faucet as well as adding an ISK and LP sink.
Then lastly there should be a tier 3 tech 2 battleship added that has tremendous DPS output for a subcap, and it'll be best at shooting down capital ships. Maybe it'll fit capital weapons. You have to pay the huge price to get that dps of course, but it'll come at the advantage of being safe-ish from capital ships while being abe to warp off quickly and dock just like the rest of the subcap fleet. That'll help create a capital ship sink to balance out the capital ship faucet that's already got too far out of hand. Players might also use them against capital rats. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:40:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Missions already give more LPs than I know what to do with though. I think there should be a LP amount reduction because my LPs aren't worth jack since there are too many LP faucets. Yeah, the LP sinking isn-¦t working that good either. Though it-¦s not that big of a problem yet as the humongous isk overabundance of certain people (*coughtechnetium). The economic myth of declaring "no inflation" because the overabundance of money isn-¦t doing anything at the moment(aka buying stuff and driving up prices) is just that, a fairytale.
On the other hand nerfing bounties just hurts the little guy in eve.
It-¦s all about the LP store again. It should offer a much more flexible way of buying stuff. How about Aurum for LP (1 Au per 10000 LP)?
Bottom line is, having skill books as the major isk sink just won-¦t do. Yet CCP has the LP store, since inception a forgotten perfect isk sink staring it in the face like a forlorn mummy. |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
64
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:42:00 -
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Nerf all faucets im not interested in or cannot control
I think that sums up everything that everyone has posted so far Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
65
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:48:00 -
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The new wardec mechanic is potentially going to be a big isk-sink. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Dutarro
Matari Munitions The Fendahlian Collective
36
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:50:00 -
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OK how about an "out there" idea:
Mission reward does not give you ISK, but rather increases your credit line with some NPC bank. You can then borrow ISK against your credit line, but it must be paid back with interest. If you don't pay your bill, it is garnished from your wallet, or from negative PLEX on your account if no funds are available. Zero PLEX balance = sorry, no EVE for you.
The only true ISK income is then from transactions with other players, selling items on the market, collecting ransoms, or what not.. I think this is how real money works, actually. |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:54:00 -
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Dutarro wrote: I think this is how real money works, actually. Yes, and just like real money, it-¦s destined to fail because the money to pay the interest is never created and thus has to be basically stolen from others.
That-¦s called a pyramid scheme and is even worse for EVE than the current "real" EVE economy. |
ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:58:00 -
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*curses the oh so inviting golden "quote" buttan |
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