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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:40:00 -
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Obviously Confidential wrote: Not to mention the current CCP employee and former Goon that was described by the CSM chair as "high on Xanax and loaded as f***".
This poor soul is probably sulking in a corner in Reykjavik right now, haunted by nightmares of his past substance abuse problems while avoiding human contact, cowering in bitter shame of his story being brought out into the open.
CCP should at the very least offer the services of its legal department so that poor CCP Sreegs can properly litigate and seek compensation.
You're not exactly helping and it doesn't help that what you're posting is sounding extremely close to the solar wind.
Terminal Insanity wrote: But seriously. Mittani represents the majority of eve population, not just the goons. This is a lame attempt at abusing the system to override democracy. I guess its just the american way.
If you can't win it, sue it. Am I doing this right? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1029
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:40:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:It was so far beyond the boundaries of okay. NPC corp alts don't really set the boundaries of what is and isn't okay.
This will be my sig after the 'npc corp alts' succeed in having mittens removed from the CSM.
Thanks
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:40:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:There have to be limits.
Agreed but they aren't set by NPC corp alts who are just using this drama to accomplish what they can't in-game. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:41:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:This will be my sig after the 'npc corp alts' succeed in having mittens removed from the CSM.
Prepare to be disappointed.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Amarr Mech
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:43:00 -
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Pretty much every post I have read about this subject has been one childish remark after another.
I don't have a horse in this race and really couldn't care less how it turns out either way. If you aren't getting checks payed to you by CCP then I don't feel you should have a concern about how this turns out either since it doesn't really effect you. Asking for a ban is not your place and doing so just makes you look childish. CCP will handle this how they like and at the end of the day people no matter the outcome will act outraged.
On the other hand the kind of person that would tease someone that has expressed mental instability, be it a cry for help or just attention probably has their own insecurities they need to work out. I do not consider this acceptable behavior in real life or in a game. But all you have to do is play for a week before you notice that childish behavior and complete lack of morals is rewarded in this game so I don't know why everyone is acting like this is anything new. |
Bane Necran
134
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:43:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve.
Funny, that's the first thing i thought about Mittani when i saw him at fanfest. Guy seemed pretty manic. When he tried to rally everyone to drive someone to suicide it only confirmed my suspicion the guy has psychological problems. |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
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I don't really care if your random EVE player tells someone else in a conversation to kill themselves - chances are that's not going to make any sort of difference. It doesn't even have anything to do with that person at all. The issue at stake here is that The Mittani (while not being a CCP employee himself) is a public face for CCP and EVE. As chairman of the CSM he's probably one of the most well-known figures connected to the game.
The situation is a bit tricky, to say the least. As a democratically elected representative of the player body CCP can't easily just remove him for fear of alienating a large portion of them. At the same time, the CSM serves at the will of CCP. It needs to be made clear that members of the CSM must conduct themselves appropriately in public when they are assuming their role as CSM members. This means no joking about suicide when doing a panel about EVE. I'm not saying the guy can't relax and joke around, but unfortunately it does mean that some political correctness must be maintained. Otherwise CCP and the CSM garner damage to their reputation, which is something we really don't need. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2262
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve.
Funny, that's the first thing i thought about Mittani when i saw him at fanfest. Guy seemed pretty manic. When he tried to rally everyone to drive someone to suicide it only confirmed my suspicion the guy has psychological problems.
And where did you get your psychology degree? Don't say Stanford because another troll already used that one. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
lovita tolaris
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:47:00 -
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What the mittani has done as far as representing the players within the constraints of the csm should actually be applauded.He has done some very good work along with the rest of the csm members (who people seem t forget about he's not the only one who was voted for) but this went above the pale tbh it a is a clear violation of his position and he should be reprimanded for it.
It is one of the most clear cases of bullying ever committed to the Internet that i have witnessed,You wanna grief the guy in game go for it as long as you are within the Eula fill your boots,going onto a live broadcast and then verbally bashing the guy and getting the rest of the eve community to do the same is wrong however you try to justify it.
Maybe people are over reacting to this maybe not but ccp must act upon this with a clear and concise method of investigation.
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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
195
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:47:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Esan Vartesa wrote:There have to be limits. Agreed but they aren't set by NPC corp alts who are just using this drama to accomplish what they can't in-game.
Frankly I don't give a damn what happens to Mittani.
I'm more concerned about the culture that's developing in this community. It isn't pretty, and from where I stand I'm beginning to fear that once it attracts enough attention, CCP will be forced to swing the pendulum too far the other way.
We just need a little balance. |
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
98
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:47:00 -
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These threads really just need to be locked before they cause more harm to the PR department than they already have.
Edit: I don't believe I'm actually posting this, it seems rediculous to have to even consider it. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1349
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:47:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Mittani represents the majority of eve population lol...no. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:48:00 -
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Holy ****, people crying about how he is supposed to represent them doesn't get democracy. |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:50:00 -
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This goes way beyond the game. This guy is seriously messed up and needs to be dealt with harshly and quickly. There is nothing playful about what he did. His detachment from reality could cost a human being their life... and for what? So that he can get some sick satisfaction?
Completely disgusting. Removing him from CSM is the least they should do- involving the authorities would be the proper response to level of real life harassment. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
19
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:50:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Anthrax jay wrote:I suffer from BPD with psychosis, I've been suicidal many times, and I find this extremely offensive to me and other members of the community who are also mentally ill.
I wish for him to be removed and form the CSM as I do not want anyone who thinks less of mentally ill people on the CSM, as this is showing him as leading part of the community who he is meant to represent.
I personally do not want him there because of that, and CCP should take appropriate action against him and other players who think the same way.
- Adam People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve. So why do you ? Just because I enjoy trolling pubbies doesn't mean I'm mentally unstable. Sorry to crush your dream.
No worries pleb, but to be honest I have much better dreams than that
Tal
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1068
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:53:00 -
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Useless drama.
Who knows... maybe the troubled guy with ingame mail address was just trolling goons after handing them some isk.
This is EvE - not any wristcutters IV
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Bane Necran
134
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:54:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:And where did you get your psychology degree? Don't say Stanford because another troll already used that one.
Are you scientologists or something? Why all the denial over psychological conditions?
You can go look up the definition of mania and sociopathy yourself and see what the symptoms and requirements for diagnoses are. There is no ambiguity.
I think a big part of the problem is pretty much the entire list of sociopathy symptoms are things goons admire. |
Conu Leonida
Ex 24.7 v3
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:59:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Putting aside all the Eve Forum crap, there now a wider issue that CCP, their partners and investors have to consider.
Whether the guy was telling the truth about being suicidal (I hope he really isn't) is totally irrelevant. Even if the entire mail was faked it no longer matters.
Its the fact that here you have, The Mittani, the newly re-elected Chairman of a Council elected by the players of Eve, a auditorium of players and CCP employees at an official CCP event , all being filmed and broadcast live, getting drunk and joking about somebody being suicidal.
On top of that you then have the Mittani encouraging people to contact him.
At the moment in a lot of countries Cyber Bullying is very prevalent in the news due to a spate of young people being driven to suicide.
To many people outside of the Eve community this will just come across as a bunch of drunken idiots at an official gathering encouraging other people to mock and humiliate a person who could be suicidal, and then encouraging others to mock him further.
In a lot of countries you have many people constantly trying to blame computer games for many of societies problems, something like this is pure gold to them.
The last thing CCP, their Partners and Investors want is this type of publicity.
No way you swing it, it looks very very bad
Just on a side note, I have no axe to grind with the Goons or the Mittani, I have openly admitted on many posts that I voted for him and mostly likely would do so again.
As for as I am concerned everybody has a equal right to play Eve how ever they like so long as it is in the confines of the rules that are set out by CCP.
Unfortunately for CCP and us as players, what happened at fan fest has now reached outside of Eve (hopefully will go no further then a few on line gaming sites which in the grand scheme of things nobody cares about) and the last thing any company wants is to be associated with any kind Cyber Bulling.
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:00:00 -
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Orkasm wrote:~ 10,058 ~ People are not disgusted.
Not people but alts you tard.
And votes were casted before alliance panel.
Learn to use your brain you have it for a reason until that dont open your mouth its pathetic.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:03:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Orkasm wrote:~ 10,058 ~ People are not disgusted. Not people but alts you tard. And votes were casted before alliance panel. Learn to use your brain you have it for a reason until that dont open your mouth its pathetic.
You have no face
How the hell do you talk????? |
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:05:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Orkasm wrote:~ 10,058 ~ People are not disgusted. Not people but alts you tard. And votes were casted before alliance panel. Learn to use your brain you have it for a reason until that dont open your mouth its pathetic. You have no face How the hell do you talk?????
I am ******* magician thats how. Another stupid pathetic goon.
Since when people talk through avatar faces ?? |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
427
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:06:00 -
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I wonder in hindsight, you as a loyal fan don't think he went overboard? Even a little bit?
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.-á(CCP Nullarbor) |
XavierVE
Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
55
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:07:00 -
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There's over ten thousand accounts in the Goon bloc, nobody outside of the CFC voted for Mittani.
CCP's investigation is a dog and pony show, they won't do anything to their buddy despite him calling for players to harass another player until he commits suicide. If any other player started a thread with that same request "Harass this guy until he dies, he has a history of mental instability", he'd be instantly banned from forums and game.
Hell, all you have to do to get banned is tell a dev to "die in a fire" or expose CCP's t2 BPO scandal... now you'll get to see how hypocritical CCP is with their punishments when they don't do anything to Mittani. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:08:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:People who are mentally unstable probably shouldn't be playing Eve.
Funny, that's the first thing i thought about Mittani when i saw him at fanfest. Guy seemed pretty manic. When he tried to rally everyone to drive someone to suicide it only confirmed my suspicion the guy has psychological problems. And where did you get your psychology degree? Don't say Stanford because another troll already used that one.
If I didn't know better, I would almost think that you mean it when you tell Mittani how much you love him after wiping off your lips. That fact really has nothing to do with the quoted statement above, I am just really impressed with your stamina to fervently and solely protect the man in so many threads. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:10:00 -
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So a guy mocked a crying carebear playing the sympathy card during 'fanfest' aka 'drinkfest - so what?
If the guy was GENUINELY suicidal, there is no way he would be playing Eve. Having been to the brink myself a few years back - and Im not joking, I was standing on the top of the bridge - a guy who is actually on the brink of suicide would not be playing a computer game, this was just a guy playing the sympathy card, fishing for isk or at least to be left alone to mine. In other words, worthy of being mocked. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
326
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:18:00 -
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I think this is the right thing to do.
Little bit immature behaviour on MIttani's behalf, perhaps a public apology would politically correct.
This does not mean I support drama queen behaviour of the victim, or that this would make Mittani an ******* in my eyes or any way incapable of continuing his very good work as CSM chair- just a bad judgement call from someone representing the whole player base in his position.
In game, anything goes, but what is kosher in New Eden shouldn't really be expanded to RL in my honest opinion.
A ban would obviously be totally out of the line, get over yourselves people. It wasn't more than cruel humour in the wrong place and at the wrong time- life goes on. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:19:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:So a guy mocked a crying carebear playing the sympathy card during 'fanfest' aka 'drinkfest - so what?
If the guy was GENUINELY suicidal, there is no way he would be playing Eve. Having been to the brink myself a few years back - and Im not joking, I was standing on the top of the bridge - a guy who is actually on the brink of suicide would not be playing a computer game, this was just a guy playing the sympathy card, fishing for isk or at least to be left alone to mine. In other words, worthy of being mocked.
We can only hope you'll get the nerve to jump next time, wolololol! |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
195
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:19:00 -
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I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things.
This all is not because he said that, its because he is elected and he is, because of it, responsible for his actions and words. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
39
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:20:00 -
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I see the Mittani / Goonswarm sycophants are out in force. Is it really so hard to admit that the guy messed up? Do you really have to dig the hole deeper?
Weaklings should not play Eve because the Goons and their ilk say so? And if they do, they should just take whatever punishment they get and deal with it? Where have I heard that before. Oh, right, it was on the playground just before somebody's fist caught my nose.
If you can actually justify this guy's showing the eve mail at the forum and inviting the audience to contact him and help him toward suicide, then you are a lost cause. If you don't think he should suffer consequences for this, you are not much of a human being either. What he did was wrong. What the CCP rep did was wrong in letting the panel happen after the eve mail was shown. Sure, we know that CCP can't prevent the use of in-game emails in general. But the fact that they couldn't stop one from being put up at a panel at their own Fanfest indicates they have a lot of thinking to do.
Defending him "just because" tells the rest of us how weak and faulty you are as a person. There is no "just because" that can explain this level of simple cruelty. Mittani did not need to show off this way, it was his choice to do so, even though he should have known better. He wanted to prove what a big man he is, and now he has stepped in it. Or on it.
If CCP lets this pass, then they will confirm that this game is not for decent people to play, even decent people who want to play at being a villain in the game. Is there even one word of apology from Mittani for this? I doubt it, but I'm not going to take the time to read all this stuff to find out.
When I screw up I say so. He has screwed up. Where is the statement that says so? If this were me, I would be all over these forums apologizing. And nobody would have to tell me that I had given up any right I had to run CSM. The only thing this man is fit to lead is lambs to the slaughter.
The day is coming when there will be physical fights at Fanfest over in-game issues. This game raises that kind of emotions in people, and creates grudges in players that will never go away. I expect any game does that to a degree, but this one does so deliberately. CCP has to find some way to say that the behavior is acceptable in the game but not at Fanfest or anywhere else in real life. |
Walker Ahashion
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:21:00 -
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What's there to investigate ? look at the video and see some guy in a wizard hat say something he should or shouldn't have. Either act on it or don't. End of investigation. |
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