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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.09.09 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Solar Blade We don't have to fear people, cause HE is there to save us if things go wrong:
Fantastic spotting. ----------
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.09.09 20:36:00 -
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its not a crowbar, but the torque wrench the other guy has will do in a pinch.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Locutious
Minmatar Rising Phoenix Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.09.09 20:36:00 -
[33]
Well, at least France will be the first to go. We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile |
Isis Bane
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Posted - 2008.09.09 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Solar Blade We don't have to fear people, cause HE is there to save us if things go wrong:
lol until the pic loaded I thought you was talking about "HE" as in god |
Plim
Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.09 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Isis Bane
Originally by: Solar Blade We don't have to fear people, cause HE is there to save us if things go wrong:
lol until the pic loaded I thought you was talking about "HE" as in god
You mean William Shatner right?
Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus." |
Infected Cure
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Posted - 2008.09.09 21:51:00 -
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just wait till the T2 version goes online and they overheat it
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widgetman
Evolution Labs
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Posted - 2008.09.09 23:26:00 -
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http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon6.htm
You may want to look at this. Its not as safe as you would like to think...............
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DasDizzy
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.09.09 23:45:00 -
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http://webcast.cern.ch/index.html
sorry to burst your bubble, the first beam is fired in about 7 hours
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.09.09 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich FOOL! The world ends in 2012. And thanks a lot for sending yet another Hardon Collider thread to OOPE.
HADRON
NOT
HARDON
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Plim
Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.09 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: widgetman http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon6.htm
You may want to look at this. Its not as safe as you would like to think...............
http://www.physorg.com/news139810863.html
Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus." |
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.09.10 00:57:00 -
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Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?....... ad infinitum....
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.09.10 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab So when is the earth going to go under from all those ultra-high-energy cosmic rays that keep entering our atmosphere? You know... those that contain hundreds of millions of times more energy that the LHC will ever manage to push into anything.
Do not try to speak about physics if you are completely ignorant about the subject.
Yes, anything threatening to the world is very unlikely to happen in this or any other collider made to this day. And no it is not because the total amount of energy used is much lower than the cosmic rays.
All disaster scenarios thought until now have nothing to do with the total energy amount, but with the density of this energy. A density enough to creat phenomena similar to black holes, albeit much smaller and for a very small time.
The probabilities of these phenomena to present any kind of threat to us are too small to consider, at least accordingly to our undestandment of physics today. But the whole point of the LHC is to go into unchartted territory, and therefore is impossible to say if there is any real risk of which we are unaware.
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Decimo
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.09.10 01:22:00 -
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The truth is they really don't know what will happen. There have been multiple points and counter-points on every topic that has been brought up about possible outcomes of these high energy collisions. If they already knew for sure what was going to happen, they wouldn't be doing it in the first place.
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Plim
Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.10 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab So when is the earth going to go under from all those ultra-high-energy cosmic rays that keep entering our atmosphere? You know... those that contain hundreds of millions of times more energy that the LHC will ever manage to push into anything.
Do not try to speak about physics if you are completely ignorant about the subject.
Yes, anything threatening to the world is very unlikely to happen in this or any other collider made to this day. And no it is not because the total amount of energy used is much lower than the cosmic rays.
All disaster scenarios thought until now have nothing to do with the total energy amount, but with the density of this energy. A density enough to creat phenomena similar to black holes, albeit much smaller and for a very small time.
The probabilities of these phenomena to present any kind of threat to us are too small to consider, at least accordingly to our undestandment of physics today. But the whole point of the LHC is to go into unchartted territory, and therefore is impossible to say if there is any real risk of which we are unaware.
Actually it is precisely the energy levels involved in the collision which would determine whether a singularity would be created. It requires a great deal of force to collapse matter to a point of infinite density.
This is why a star has to be so large (approx 1.6+ solar masses according to Penrose in The Road to Reality) to collapse into a black hole. The gravitational force has to be great enough to overcome particle degeneracy pressure, it requires a huge amount of force.
As I said in another thread about the LHC, I was talking to someone from CERN and he fixed my poor mathematics, regarding the mass of a black hole with the radius even as small as a proton. By reversing the Swartzchild radius equation (which is used to calculate the radius of a black hole) he worked out that a black hole with the radius of a proton would have a mass of about half a billions tonnes. As far as I know, they will not be firing mountain ranges around the LHC. If there was any chance of creating a black hole in the LHC, even if Hawking radiation does not exist, the gravitational forces exerted by a singularity formed from such a small amount of mass (a proton has a mass of 1.67262158 + 10^-27, and only a limited number would collide at a time) would be miniscule.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.09.10 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 10/09/2008 02:04:00
Originally by: Steppa ...and the rest of the planet.
LHC goes online in four...make that three minutes
I get a deja vu, but no matter..
Nope, not to morrow. Tomorrow they are sending the particle beam one way only and wont have anything to collide with. It is also sent at "reduced speed" whatever that is.
However, next month! Then we are speaking Judgement day! Well, Cern would rather pray for judgement day by molecule collisions if the beam aint producing any result. Because if its not working they will have like 80 nations on their neck, wanting to stomp on their head and ask for their like 10 billion dollars or so back which where invested in this particle cannon!
Oh, this video might be interesting! : CERNs "Big-bang rapsody"
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.10 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich FOOL! The world ends in 2012. And thanks a lot for sending yet another >Hadron< [Sorry, had to correct that one...] Collider thread to OOPE.
It takes a while till the black hole ate enough to finally start eating the earth... Maybe it just takes till 2012 till we notice the first effects...
However, there's something I might have missed here - a black hole is a black hole because it's so massive that it doesn't allow light to get out. Now what is a black hole without mass? (Or with Mass smaller than 1/10^100000000000000000000000000000000000000 of a hydrogen atom?) It will allow light to get away for sure as it's not massive enough to affect light in any way... --- "Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign for a diseased mind." -Terry Pratchett |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.09.10 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 10/09/2008 02:15:43
Originally by: Plim
Actually it is precisely the energy levels involved in the collision which would determine whether a singularity would be created. It requires a great deal of force to collapse matter to a point of infinite density.
This is why a star has to be so large (approx 1.6+ solar masses according to Penrose in The Road to Reality) to collapse into a black hole. The gravitational force has to be great enough to overcome particle degeneracy pressure, it requires a huge amount of force.
Again, it isn't the amount of energy, but the amount of energy per unit of volume in the system. Actually it is a lot more complicated than this, but in a very simplified way it is the DENSITY of energy.
As I said...
You just quoted my text to say absolutely nothing relevant about it.
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As I said in another thread about the LHC, I was talking to someone from CERN and he fixed my poor mathematics, regarding the mass of a black hole with the radius even as small as a proton. By reversing the Swartzchild radius equation (which is used to calculate the radius of a black hole) he worked out that a black hole with the radius of a proton would have a mass of about half a billions tonnes. As far as I know, they will not be firing mountain ranges around the LHC. If there was any chance of creating a black hole in the LHC, even if Hawking radiation does not exist, the gravitational forces exerted by a singularity formed from such a small amount of mass (a proton has a mass of 1.67262158 + 10^-27, and only a limited number would collide at a time) would be miniscule.
Your figures for energy are wrong. A mathematical equivalent of a blackole was already formed in the Heavy Ion Collider, which is surpassed by the LHC in size and capabilities. It was harmless as it dissipated by Hawkings radiations in fractions of a second.
The initial strength, small as it may be is increasing as the phenom absorbs mass, though. If it didn't collapse it would grow in mass and stregth exponentially and although it would take time, it would be capable to absorbing all mass on earth. Fortunatelly these phenomena are short lived and, again, as far as we know, they don't represent any threat.
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Chooch Chooch
The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.10 02:28:00 -
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Does this mean we are the EVE of our destruction
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Mihailo Great
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.10 02:45:00 -
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I'm getting a Hadron just thinking about it.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.09.10 05:12:00 -
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Are you telling me that a multi-billion dollar emerging technology for altering the very laws of physics can be defeated by a pair of cheap sunglasses.
There not cheap, they're Oakleys.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.09.10 05:19:00 -
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I just want to point out that apparently most of you learned physics from eve.
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diabolic clone
Amarr Anomaly Collective
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Posted - 2008.09.10 05:40:00 -
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Worlds not over yet? Pity, maybe next time. Catcha in 2012.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.09.10 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake I just want to point out that apparently most of you learned physics from eve.
Differently from you that didn't learn it at all, right? Bad Locke, bad bad.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.09.10 06:08:00 -
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In after the Big Bang
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People Person
Co-operative Legion of Intelligent Terroristz Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.09.10 06:48:00 -
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I'm reading elevated levels of... no, no its OK, its well within acceptable parameters. Lets continue the experiment...
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.09.10 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: People Person I'm reading elevated levels of... no, no its OK, its well within acceptable parameters. Lets continue the experiment...
lol - IBTEOTW.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Bagger Vance
Pernicious Creed Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 07:01:00 -
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You fools its well worth the risk, they are actualy trying to figure out if e=mc2 in other words if matter is a form of dense energy, we can have food replicators in the future!! __________________________________________
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Mazaron
ACE'S OVER 8'S Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.10 07:08:00 -
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Prepare for unforeseen consequences
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Pan Fairchild
Atropos Asylum
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Posted - 2008.09.10 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mazaron Prepare for unforeseen consequences
$100 bucks on making my curtains fade.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.09.10 07:30:00 -
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Even if a Black Hole was to be created, it might just as well dissipate before actually doing anything, not exactly large masses they are working with.
Besides, if a small singularity were to impact Earth, or be created on Earth, it would first fall towards the gravitational centre of the planet, growing all the while .. could take days/months/years for anything to happen.
You shouldn't worry until we start getting freak seismic activity indicating that the planet is being torn apart :D
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