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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:07:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lets keep a sense of perspective here. Issler Dainze is not the person who has currently dragged the reputation of both the CSM chair and the wider Eve community through the mud in the eyes of the gaming press and ruined what should have been a clean sweep of good coverage following an exceptional fanfest. She has, however, fanned the flames of a volatile issue for her own perceived political gain. Rather than work with a team and possibly post a dissenting opinion after the fact, or even stress to her team the need for individual opinions, she goes off half-cocked without even discussing the matter with The Mittani himself. The lack of respect she has shown to her fellow CSM members in this thread convinces me she is not at all suitable for the post.
Yeah I can see him literally sitting in the dining room, one hand on his head covering his eyes so no one can see his tears and the other clutching feebly at his wifes hand as she reassures him that there is no way he could lose...
~all of this~ |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:14:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:no you really don't and nobody is going to believe you
yes i really do. I know Wis...have spoken to him on coms. A very nice man. **** we ran some missions together one night cause we were bored. The dude is a straight up nice guy.
Here's my point cause i give a **** about all this eve politics bullshit and whether this dude has to step down or not....it's so inconsequential to me. But if it's ok to step into somebody's real life in such a disgusting, vile manner....than the consequences should also be "real life", and not this eve video game bullshit. Maybe we all should have a real life meat up and get this **** settled then......you guys think it's ok, and others don't.....let's get out from the safety of our parents firewalls for a moment and see whats what. If you want to step outside the parameters of this game cause "eve is real" you know....then lets see what y'all are capable of when you have to look a man eye to eye. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1574
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:15:00 -
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D Derp wrote:Quote:In any rational assessment the Mittani (Alexander Gianturco) is finished as CSM chair. I imagine at this point he's literally holding his head in his hands and talking to his wife about whether he can even afford to continue being associated with the game of eve online after his performance at fanfest. The quite literal professional "suicide" he committed there IS that bad. That, that right there. Explain to me how exactly this means mittens has to quit eve? Or the chair? Am I falling for a giant troll?
He might choose to quit eve himself. He might choose to resign from csm chair himself (it is the right thing to do) he might quit csm himself (also perhaps the right thing). But if he doesn't then CCP is going to need to act and they would be immeasurably helped by the remaining CSM actually manning up and realizing that one of them is going to need to be chair in order to return a bit of self-respect to the office after the disaster that was the fanfest alliance panel.
Now perhaps you are a bit insulated from the almost universal disgust at what happened on that panel by virtue of your peers (who admittedly don't seem to realize what was wrong about what happened) but I assure you the wider gaming media is in now such state of confusion and eyes are looking to Iceland to resolve this matter appropriately (or to feast on the scandal if it is not).
Short version the Chair of the CSM broke codes of conduct binding the behaviour of ordinary players. He did something that other player have been permabanned for. For him to remain in place after this would make a mockery of the CSM and CCP's own reputation for even-handed enforcement of rules.
The decent thing for Alexander Gianturco to do at this point is resign, quickly and efficiently and disappear for a time so that the CSM can announce a new chair and CCP can get back to harvesting the remaining benefits of a successful fanfest and exciting program of upcoming game developments.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:15:00 -
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ahahahaha you've got to be kidding me |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
320
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:16:00 -
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Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Jade you are generally regarded as the worst CSM chairman and it is generally accepted every idea you had on how to run the CSM was wrong, why do you feel your input is useful here. Because pretty much everything I advocated on the CSM is already in the game or about to arrive, because under my chairmanship Eve online had excellent press coverage in the gaming press and mainstream media from New York to London and Paris, because I managed to keep my dignity and temper and didn't get righteously drunk on stage at fanfest and embarrass myself and every decent player of this game by coughing out cod-sadistic nonsense and calling on my fellow players to be trolled into suicide. Plus I had the good grace to give the next guy a go when my term was up rather than trying to cling on to power like some kind of monomaniac limpet-brained bloodsucker with an desperate need to be loved and feared in equal measure. That about covers it having 10,000 votes is not 'clinging to power'
I wonder how many of those votes are/were alts? Given the not-insignificant percentage of votes from under-30d-old characters and all
That number doesn't mean **** one way or the other without an explicit breakdown of account-vs-RL-player, and of what in-game demographic those accounts represent, and if they are alt-accounts, and for what purpose they are, if they are, among other factors.
Enough with this puerile crap already
TL/DR: That number means nothing given the prevalence of alt-accounts in this game. You should find a "meatier" statistic to play with.
Next! In irae, veritas. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:16:00 -
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michaelthered wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:no you really don't and nobody is going to believe you yes i really do. I know Wis...have spoken to him on coms. A very nice man. **** we ran some missions together one night cause we were bored. The dude is a straight up nice guy. Here's my point cause i give a **** about all this eve politics bullshit and whether this dude has to step down or not....it's so inconsequential to me. But if it's ok to step into somebody's real life in such a disgusting, vile manner....than the consequences should also be "real life", and not this eve video game bullshit. Maybe we all should have a real life meat up and get this **** settled then......you guys think it's ok, and others don't.....let's get out from the safety of our parents firewalls for a moment and see whats what. If you want to step outside the parameters of this game cause "eve is real" you know....then lets see what y'all are capable of when you have to look a man eye to eye.
this, is a quality fakepost
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:17:00 -
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[quote=Karl Hobb I highly doubt that. I think he's probably wondering what sort of idiotic world we live in where someone playing a video game uses real-life suicide as a bargaining device.
[.[/quote]
except that's not what wis did. And Mitt knows that because he knows the context of the emails in their entirety. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:17:00 -
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michaelthered wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:no you really don't and nobody is going to believe you yes i really do. I know Wis...have spoken to him on coms. A very nice man. **** we ran some missions together one night cause we were bored. The dude is a straight up nice guy. Here's my point cause i give a **** about all this eve politics bullshit and whether this dude has to step down or not....it's so inconsequential to me. But if it's ok to step into somebody's real life in such a disgusting, vile manner....than the consequences should also be "real life", and not this eve video game bullshit. Maybe we all should have a real life meat up and get this **** settled then......you guys think it's ok, and others don't.....let's get out from the safety of our parents firewalls for a moment and see whats what. If you want to step outside the parameters of this game cause "eve is real" you know....then lets see what y'all are capable of when you have to look a man eye to eye.
quoting so you cant edit |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:19:00 -
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Sir Marksalot wrote:michaelthered wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:no you really don't and nobody is going to believe you yes i really do. I know Wis...have spoken to him on coms. A very nice man. **** we ran some missions together one night cause we were bored. The dude is a straight up nice guy. Here's my point cause i give a **** about all this eve politics bullshit and whether this dude has to step down or not....it's so inconsequential to me. But if it's ok to step into somebody's real life in such a disgusting, vile manner....than the consequences should also be "real life", and not this eve video game bullshit. Maybe we all should have a real life meat up and get this **** settled then......you guys think it's ok, and others don't.....let's get out from the safety of our parents firewalls for a moment and see whats what. If you want to step outside the parameters of this game cause "eve is real" you know....then lets see what y'all are capable of when you have to look a man eye to eye. this, is a quality fakepost +1 like
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1574
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:22:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:michaelthered wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:no you really don't and nobody is going to believe you yes i really do. I know Wis...have spoken to him on coms. A very nice man. **** we ran some missions together one night cause we were bored. The dude is a straight up nice guy. Here's my point cause i give a **** about all this eve politics bullshit and whether this dude has to step down or not....it's so inconsequential to me. But if it's ok to step into somebody's real life in such a disgusting, vile manner....than the consequences should also be "real life", and not this eve video game bullshit. Maybe we all should have a real life meat up and get this **** settled then......you guys think it's ok, and others don't.....let's get out from the safety of our parents firewalls for a moment and see whats what. If you want to step outside the parameters of this game cause "eve is real" you know....then lets see what y'all are capable of when you have to look a man eye to eye. quoting so you cant edit
This is the part where some sweaty handed goon in their parent's basement excitedly knuckle types out a harrassment petition against "michaelthered" on the grounds he's been "rl threatened on the internet" because somebody suggested that being an irritating numpty can get you thumped at the local tavern.
Seen it all before and the irony is priceless.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Aryndel Samson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:23:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:As a CSM 7 member I am extremely disappointed with Mittens behavior at Fanfest this year.
The CSM should not only represent the players that elected them but also represent Eve itself to the general public. Mittens in the past has shown himself to be very adept at messaging both in and out of Eve. I can't believe he could have been so misguided in calling for harassment of a possibly suicidal player.
I understand we can expect all manner of crazy behavior at Fanfest and previous goon leaders at the alliance panel have certainly made themselves "controversial" but I think this incident violates a boundary between what happens in Eve and real world damage. Whether or not the player in question was suicidal isn't the point. The point is, in a world where cyber bullying is an emerging issue, we have a prominent figure in Eve clearly calling encourage a real life suicide. That can't be defended on ant level.
Mittens, I've supported the right for folks to act out in Eve as a valid part of the "sandbox", but I can't support your recent actions.
At a minimum we need Mittens to apologize and admit he crossed the line with his behavior. I call to the other elected members of the CM7 join me in this demand!
If the CSM is remain a viable part of Eve we have to adhere to some code of conduct. This recent event is a black eye for the CSM and Eve in general.
CSM 7 join me in protesting this disappointing public display of poor judgement!
We in the CSM owe Eve a much higher standard of behavior!
Issler Dainze
You still aren't going to Iceland. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:24:00 -
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michaelthered wrote:except that's not what wis did. And Mitt knows that because he knows the context of the emails in their entirety. Then please explain to us all what The Wis actually did and what the context of those emails are. Because claiming you are suicidal after losing assets in a video game sure sounds to me like you are trying to bargain sympathy from the aggressors. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
49
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:24:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Jade you are generally regarded as the worst CSM chairman and it is generally accepted every idea you had on how to run the CSM was wrong, why do you feel your input is useful here. Because pretty much everything I advocated on the CSM is already in the game or about to arrive, because under my chairmanship Eve online had excellent press coverage in the gaming press and mainstream media from New York to London and Paris, because I managed to keep my dignity and temper and didn't get righteously drunk on stage at fanfest and embarrass myself and every decent player of this game by coughing out cod-sadistic nonsense and calling on my fellow players to be trolled into suicide. Plus I had the good grace to give the next guy a go when my term was up rather than trying to cling on to power like some kind of monomaniac limpet-brained bloodsucker with an desperate need to be loved and feared in equal measure. That about covers it having 10,000 votes is not 'clinging to power' I wonder how many of those votes are/were alts? Given the not-insignificant percentage of votes from under-30d-old characters and allThat number doesn't mean **** one way or the other without an explicit breakdown of account-vs-RL-player, and of what in-game demographic those accounts represent, and if they are alt-accounts, and for what purpose they are, if they are, among other factors. Enough with this puerile crap already TL/DR: That number means nothing given the prevalence of alt-accounts in this game. You should find a "meatier" statistic to play with. Next!
The bolded part is ******* ********. No accounts less than 30 days old were allowed to vote. The numbers posted were for accounts greater than 30 days but less than 250 days old. Which is actually a huge portion of players.
All this chest slapping over <30 day old accounts is stupid and you are all idiots. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Jade you are generally regarded as the worst CSM chairman and it is generally accepted every idea you had on how to run the CSM was wrong, why do you feel your input is useful here. Because pretty much everything I advocated on the CSM is already in the game or about to arrive, because under my chairmanship Eve online had excellent press coverage in the gaming press and mainstream media from New York to London and Paris, because I managed to keep my dignity and temper and didn't get righteously drunk on stage at fanfest and embarrass myself and every decent player of this game by coughing out cod-sadistic nonsense and calling on my fellow players to be trolled into suicide. Plus I had the good grace to give the next guy a go when my term was up rather than trying to cling on to power like some kind of monomaniac limpet-brained bloodsucker with an desperate need to be loved and feared in equal measure. That about covers it having 10,000 votes is not 'clinging to power' I wonder how many of those votes are/were alts? Given the not-insignificant percentage of votes from under-30d-old characters and all That number doesn't mean **** one way or the other without an explicit breakdown of account-vs-RL-player, and of what in-game demographic those accounts represent, and if they are alt-accounts, and for what purpose they are, if they are, among other factors. Enough with this puerile crap already TL/DR: That number means nothing given the prevalence of alt-accounts in this game. You should find a "meatier" statistic to play with. Next!
someone else can crosspost it from our forums, but according to our own polls (of just goons!) on average everyone put in somewhere around 1.8-2 votes hth
Jade Constantine wrote: He might choose to quit eve himself. He might choose to resign from csm chair himself (it is the right thing to do) he might quit csm himself (also perhaps the right thing). But if he doesn't then CCP is going to need to act and they would be immeasurably helped by the remaining CSM actually manning up and realizing that one of them is going to need to be chair in order to return a bit of self-respect to the office after the disaster that was the fanfest alliance panel.
Now perhaps you are a bit insulated from the almost universal disgust at what happened on that panel by virtue of your peers (who admittedly don't seem to realize what was wrong about what happened) but I assure you the wider gaming media is in now such state of confusion and eyes are looking to Iceland to resolve this matter appropriately (or to feast on the scandal if it is not).
Short version the Chair of the CSM broke codes of conduct binding the behaviour of ordinary players. He did something that other player have been permabanned for. For him to remain in place after this would make a mockery of the CSM and CCP's own reputation for even-handed enforcement of rules.
The decent thing for Alexander Gianturco to do at this point is resign, quickly and efficiently and disappear for a time so that the CSM can announce a new chair and CCP can get back to harvesting the remaining benefits of a successful fanfest and exciting program of upcoming game developments.
yes, clearly goons are just insulated because they dont care about a thing a blog said, and because they dont care what you say and we are definitely insulated because we understand that nobody gives a rat's ass about what a legion of npc corp posters are posting
so far i've seen no real scandal that would catch the attention of any real news outlet, gaming or otherwise, just a seriously impressive amount of forum trolling (you) that completely overshadows the real actual moral outrage that some people have over this. come check out sa some time the eve thread had a right fun time calling him a jerk!
fakeedit; i hate to ruin your dream but he doesn't seem to be quitting eve |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:27:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:michaelthered wrote:except that's not what wis did. And Mitt knows that because he knows the context of the emails in their entirety. Then please explain to us all what The Wis actually did and what the context of those emails are. Because claiming you are suicidal after losing assets in a video game sure sounds to me like you are trying to bargain sympathy from the aggressors. nope, its never that
we should alert the press about this clearly suicidal man |
BringerMC
The Ghost Division
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:28:00 -
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Using your position on a public panel to call on people to terrorize someone into killing themselves is the wrong answer.
CCP should removed Mittani from the CSM and make him conduct a live apology on EveTV. It is totally deplorable attitude and don't give me the he was drunk story. Yes you may do stupid things when you are drunk but you choose to drink so are still held accountable for your actions.
I am in the military and if anyone ever did anything like that specially in the publics eye they would be demoted and have a field grade article 15 slammed on them. Pretty sure if you work for any company and do that you will also probably get canned. Would not be suprised if the CCP employee that was at the event doesn't get fired or at the least a suspension. Hire-áThe Ghost Division Today! Because Pac-man ghosts driving Panzers can't be beat. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:28:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:michaelthered wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:no you really don't and nobody is going to believe you yes i really do. I know Wis...have spoken to him on coms. A very nice man. **** we ran some missions together one night cause we were bored. The dude is a straight up nice guy. Here's my point cause i give a **** about all this eve politics bullshit and whether this dude has to step down or not....it's so inconsequential to me. But if it's ok to step into somebody's real life in such a disgusting, vile manner....than the consequences should also be "real life", and not this eve video game bullshit. Maybe we all should have a real life meat up and get this **** settled then......you guys think it's ok, and others don't.....let's get out from the safety of our parents firewalls for a moment and see whats what. If you want to step outside the parameters of this game cause "eve is real" you know....then lets see what y'all are capable of when you have to look a man eye to eye. quoting so you cant edit This is the part where some sweaty handed goon in their parent's basement excitedly knuckle types out a harrassment petition against "michaelthered" on the grounds he's been "rl threatened on the internet" because somebody suggested that being an irritating numpty can get you thumped at the local tavern. Seen it all before and the irony is priceless.
jade constantine confirmed for awful forum troll |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
165
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:29:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:much like jade needed to fluff up his avatar for his space brothel to hide his hideous self he needs to fluff up his posting to hide its hideous ideas
It didn't even turn out all that well Looks kind of greasy and the eyeshadow is a little tacky. Wait, does this count as an ad hominem insult? Well, most of this thread is crap anyway, don't care.
Also, RE: "Shadow Council" or whatever other cloak and dagger game some people think the CSM is playing. IMO it shouldn't be a requirement that stuff like votes on known issues and whatnot are kept quiet, the members should be able to divulge some information about their own actions if they want to. Nor should total openness be a requirement! I think that throwing everything up for public scrutiny as it happens is a pretty terrible idea. A lot of stuff that's discussed by CSM members is just idea-bouncing and tidbits of some thought process, but it won't stop drama mongers from seizing it and starting a shitposting flamefest. Additionally, discussion might touch ever so lightly on information that isn't meant to be released to the masses just yet (because it's not fully fleshed out, or whatever the reason). The NDA covers that, of course, but it is sometimes difficult to avoid the slightest mentions of something that someone keen might pick up on, lines can get blurry.
Electing representatives means that you trust them to act wisely on behalf of the constituency rather than making every decision directly guided by said constituency. Whether you think this is good or bad is irrelevant: this is how the CSM works, if you think it's awful and terrible then work to change it or STFU. IF the representative thinks there's good reason for them to keep something off public forums, there might be a good reason for it. If they never ever talk to the people they represent, then consider this a negative point on their record and feel free to feel cheated, betrayed, etc, and rescind your support if you counted on it being different based on what the candidate said in the past. There must be accountability and this demands transparency, but transparency doesn't necessarily mean that EVERYTHING must be put up for the players to inspect. For one, the forums would explode
Otherwise, trust the representatives to make a good decision, criticize them for a bad one, etc, but don't assume that they will act 100% of the time in a way that you personally agree with, and that if they act in a manner you disagree with it automatically means they aren't suitable for their post. Some things are a matter of opinion. Though if enough people express it, it's wise to listen to it and perhaps do more than merely take note, at least if re-election or public image are a concern |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
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BringerMC wrote: I am in the military and if anyone ever did anything like that specially in the publics eye they would be demoted and have a field grade article 15 slammed on them. Pretty sure if you work for any company and do that you will also probably get canned. Would not be suprised if the CCP employee that was at the event doesn't get fired or at the least a suspension.
My god, do you take being in your country's armed forces as seriously as you do eve, or do you take this videogame as seriously as you do the military? Which is it? |
Allandi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:35:00 -
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Whether this is purely politically motivated or not is really unimportant. If you set yourself up as a world class dbag in a position of pseudo-power, someone is going to take advantage of it. If not Issler, then someone else.
Issler, most other CSM members are not speaking out because, sadly, they are better politicians than you. Wanting to discuss it, get the facts, wait for investigations, and other such excuses are just ploys to buy more time in neutrality while waiting for others (CCP or Mttani) to do the work for them. The evidence is public and irrefuteable, and not taking a stance immediately is simply being political.
I wish there were more like you. |
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D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:39:00 -
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BringerMC wrote:D Derp wrote:BringerMC wrote: I am in the military and if anyone ever did anything like that specially in the publics eye they would be demoted and have a field grade article 15 slammed on them. Pretty sure if you work for any company and do that you will also probably get canned. Would not be suprised if the CCP employee that was at the event doesn't get fired or at the least a suspension.
My god, do you take being in your country's armed forces as seriously as you do eve, or do you take this videogame as seriously as you do the military? Which is it? What he did was in the public and acting as a Person not a player behind a screen. He did not do it in an inpersonal fashion. He was live in person telling people to tell another living human being to commit suicide. Its one thing in game to say things but telling another person in game or in person to commit suicide that says they are suicidal is the wrong answer. When it comes to a beating heart and blood in the viens that is real life mate.
And once again another person on eve-o misses the point that people like Wis, especially on the internet, claim to be suicidal or have x problem to garner sympathy -all the damn time-. It's common, even. Especially among the younger crowd.
Yes, mittens did a dumb thing, but comparing his actions and him being on the CSM to being court marshaled or whatever is just ever so slightly blowing things out of proportion. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:40:00 -
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Tergerom Loregeron wrote:LOOK AT ME GUEIS IM AN INTERNET POLITIK.
IM FINALLY IMPORTANT MOM!
My god man, you distilled the entire thread into 12 words |
Tergerom Loregeron
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:42:00 -
[233] - Quote
Oh by the way I once told an Assisted Suicide advocate he should kill himself. Maybe some of you white knight moral crusaders could tell me what to think and how to feel about it?
BTW the clothes you wear and the electronics you use are made by people who are frequently forced into conditions where they would WILLINGLY commit suicide as an escape. Maybe you can do something about that for me, or are you guys hypocrites?
Need a hint? |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:44:00 -
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D Derp wrote:BringerMC wrote:D Derp wrote:BringerMC wrote: I am in the military and if anyone ever did anything like that specially in the publics eye they would be demoted and have a field grade article 15 slammed on them. Pretty sure if you work for any company and do that you will also probably get canned. Would not be suprised if the CCP employee that was at the event doesn't get fired or at the least a suspension.
My god, do you take being in your country's armed forces as seriously as you do eve, or do you take this videogame as seriously as you do the military? Which is it? What he did was in the public and acting as a Person not a player behind a screen. He did not do it in an inpersonal fashion. He was live in person telling people to tell another living human being to commit suicide. Its one thing in game to say things but telling another person in game or in person to commit suicide that says they are suicidal is the wrong answer. When it comes to a beating heart and blood in the viens that is real life mate. And once again another person on eve-o misses the point that people like Wis, especially on the internet, claim to be suicidal or have x problem to garner sympathy -all the damn time-. It's common, even. Especially among the younger crowd. Yes, mittens did a dumb thing, but comparing his actions and him being on the CSM to being court marshaled or whatever is just ever so slightly blowing things out of proportion.
except that it's a very real possiblity he may get sued irl. And any of u mouthbreathing pubies that actually emailed wis a "do it man" email......that's stepping in it. I hate things like this end up getting settled in court. These things were meant to be settled like grown ass men. Alas I speak of a world long gone unfortunately. |
Eidric
Shadows of HyperSpace Wormholes Holders
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:45:00 -
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With all this Drama around this CSM looks more like Pre-CSM6.
I DID NOT VOTE FOR THAT
What I want is effective CSM that can delegate player opinions to the CCP - and perform it's role in the SCRUM process of development.
What Mittani did is wrong, but Issler what you are doing right now is also not the proper way of CSM Member.
People voted for you because they agreed with your vision - they share it and they want that vision to successfully reach CCP.
They didn't vote for you so you can start all this political drama. Not one bit. (If they did I am afraid they misunderstood the purpose of CSM)
TL.DR. I dont care about this drama as long as you do your job - This isnt your job. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:50:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Jade you are generally regarded as the worst CSM chairman and it is generally accepted every idea you had on how to run the CSM was wrong, why do you feel your input is useful here. Because pretty much everything I advocated on the CSM is already in the game or about to arrive, because under my chairmanship Eve online had excellent press coverage in the gaming press and mainstream media from New York to London and Paris, because I managed to keep my dignity and temper and didn't get righteously drunk on stage at fanfest and embarrass myself and every decent player of this game by coughing out cod-sadistic nonsense and calling on my fellow players to be trolled into suicide. Plus I had the good grace to give the next guy a go when my term was up rather than trying to cling on to power like some kind of monomaniac limpet-brained bloodsucker with an desperate need to be loved and feared in equal measure. That about covers it having 10,000 votes is not 'clinging to power' I wonder how many of those votes are/were alts? Given the not-insignificant percentage of votes from under-30d-old characters and allThat number doesn't mean **** one way or the other without an explicit breakdown of account-vs-RL-player, and of what in-game demographic those accounts represent, and if they are alt-accounts, and for what purpose they are, if they are, among other factors. Enough with this puerile crap already TL/DR: That number means nothing given the prevalence of alt-accounts in this game. You should find a "meatier" statistic to play with. Next! The bolded part is ******* ********. No accounts less than 30 days old were allowed to vote. The numbers posted were for accounts greater than 30 days but less than 250 days old. Which is actually a huge portion of players. All this chest slapping over <30 day old accounts is stupid and you are all idiots.
OK, 30d-plus. Like 1 day makes a real difference in whom one would vote for if they were alt-characters, assuming they were created in time?
Whatever.
L2inferfromcontext
In irae, veritas. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5816
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:50:00 -
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GǪso really, the only conclusion that can be drawn from this thread is that Issler should resign from the CSM for enticing people to harass a fellow player. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪso really, the only conclusion that can be drawn from this thread is that Issler should resign from the CSM for enticing people to harass a fellow player.
How is she doing this exactly?
E: And no, I didn't vote for her--her interests are not much aligned with mine. In irae, veritas. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5816
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:57:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:How is she doing this exactly? Read the OP (and most of her other posts): demands of condemnation and guilt-by-association rhetorics. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:58:00 -
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Tergerom Loregeron wrote:Oh by the way I once told an Assisted Suicide advocate he should kill himself. Maybe some of you white knight moral crusaders could tell me what to think and how to feel about it?
BTW the clothes you wear and the electronics you use are made by people who are frequently forced into conditions where they would WILLINGLY commit suicide as an escape. Maybe you can do something about that for me, or are you guys hypocrites?
Need a hint?
"white knight moral crusaders"....said with such sarcasm and derision as if people being repulsed by someone petitioning people to troll another human being to kill himself for really no particular good reason, can't really think of a good reason but I digress. That's a really irritating sentiment.....mocking being a decent human being. wtf? |
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