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Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
48
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:31:00 -
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Yes The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
82
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:32:00 -
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Padiddle |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:32:00 -
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**** Off |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1178
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:33:00 -
[4] - Quote
I'm pretty rabidly anti-Goon and I say no. :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Sponge Blib
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:35:00 -
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No.
**** the media and the outraged dumb mass. I settle for an apology. |
Blood Mage
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:36:00 -
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Although I'd really like to see him stay, his remarks on twitter seem to imply he'll resign https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
422
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:37:00 -
[7] - Quote
I'll vote for whatever keeps these Mittani threads coming
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
stoicfaux
823
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:43:00 -
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No. It would be Stupid and Trivial to go out like this, taken down by a drunken side comment that was exploited by the press after winning a second term as CSM chairman. Instead, Mittani needs to survive this, thus increasing his ego ten fold, thereby encouraging him to keep doing increasingly extreme, crazy and arrogant things until his Ego can't pull it off anymore, at which point he goes out in a Blaze of Supreme Vain-glory, in an event that will be talking about in the years to follow.
But this. This isn't the way to go out. There's no glory. Nothing worthy to remember.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
372
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:45:00 -
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Yes. He is totally serious and not just setting the pubbie mouthbreathers up for disappointment. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1180
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:45:00 -
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I really hope he just forgot the troll tags. But in case he didn't, he's just acting in the best interests of CCP and Eve Online. Sacrificing himself as a true hero for us all.
/swoon
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
82
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:48:00 -
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After reading that I think I'd rather him just apologize and call it good. Nobody's immune from being an ass clown from time to time. If you think you are, you're probably just the biggest one in the room.
The Mittani has done good for the game and for the CSM. If he didn't mean that **** then let him say so and if people are still bitching about it... **** 'em. |
Silas Kautsuo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:48:00 -
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Yes, deal with it. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
95
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:50:00 -
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Doesn't matter if someone votes yes or no. CCP has to decide it. Do they want such a bad press or not?
And alcohol is no excuse anyway. Alcohol is a drug. If you can't handle it and don't know your limits -> don't touch it! Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
988
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:52:00 -
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Why, yes. |
Sang-in Tiers
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:53:00 -
[15] - Quote
No. Also I think this is just Mittani gooning. |
Bane Necran
149
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:57:00 -
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I think this is a matter of either resigning or being booted.
He's taking the smart route. |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
18
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:59:00 -
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The central issue is that major depression (contemplating suicide) is extremely serious. Mittani confused real life with a game. He encouraged his thousands of followers to push that person to suicide.
Mittani must go.
I feel compassion for the Mittani because he has made his real name and appearance public. I suspect he will have to change his real name, because if any prospective employer Googles his name, I doubt they would want to employ him.
So it is in the Mittani's best interests to leave Eve and put the whole thing behind him. |
baltec1
883
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:00:00 -
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No. He has said nothing that has not been said a thousand times before all across EVE and given that he was massively drunk at the time, its no wonder he made a poor joke. |
Azriel Geist
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:01:00 -
[19] - Quote
No.
An apology will suffice. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3449
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:02:00 -
[20] - Quote
Mors Magne wrote:The central issue is that major depression (contemplating suicide) is extremely serious. Mittani confused real life with a game. He encouraged his thousands of followers to push that person to suicide.
Mittani must go.
I feel compassion for the Mittani because he has made his real name and appearance public. I suspect he will have to change his real name, because if any prospective employer Googles his name, I doubt they would want to employ him.
So it is in the Mittani's best interests to leave Eve and put the whole thing behind him.
Your alliance leadership should be banned for the way they treated a cancer patient. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
625
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:02:00 -
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10,000 wasted votes. lol
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Araviel
Spiritus Draconis
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:03:00 -
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sadly yes.
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Durr Hurrr Durr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:04:00 -
[23] - Quote
Yes, but only if he wears a condom and is gentle
EDIT:
Oh wait i confused the question, yeah no |
Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:10:00 -
[24] - Quote
Yes |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
261
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
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no, eve needs the Mittens. Save the Miners! |
Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:41:00 -
[26] - Quote
nope.avi +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:44:00 -
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No. The reality of the situation is that the player named, The Wis iirc, should quit eve and seek professional help if he's considering suicide because he got ganked in a video game.
Everyone calling for The Mittani's resignation/ban is clearly out for political gain by his removal, and don't actually give a **** about The Wis. If people actually gave a damn about the miner, they'd be focusing on helping the guy to move on and improve his life, not calling for blood.
Stop being hypocrites. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
891
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:No. The reality of the situation is that the player named, The Wis iirc, should quit eve and seek professional help if he's considering suicide because he got ganked in a video game.
Everyone calling for The Mittani's resignation/ban is clearly out for political gain by his removal, and don't actually give a **** about The Wis. If people actually gave a damn about the miner, they'd be focusing on helping the guy to move on and improve his life, not calling for blood.
Stop being hypocrites.
"It's the victims fault for being bullied."
Hmmm... where have I seen that before? ~major news reporting on suicides ~ quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
145
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
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I'd say no, CSM time is going to be pretty boring if the Mitanni isn't around to cause controversy.
Everyone makes mistakes. What the Mittani did shouldn't be acceptable but it shouldn't be tolerated. I personally feel that he needs to make a personal face to face apology. It's really hard to tell how sincere he is from text, but for someone who we would never expect to apologize to even take the time to write an apology letter there has to be some legitimacy to it.
Although this all just seemed to be The Mitanni's opponents jumping on a chance to pick him apart. If someone with much less controversy said what he said it wouldn't gain much attention. |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
428
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:50:00 -
[30] - Quote
Re-hold CSM elections, including mittani on the ballot. We'll see if the player base still wants him to represent us.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:56:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Adriel Malakai wrote:No. The reality of the situation is that the player named, The Wis iirc, should quit eve and seek professional help if he's considering suicide because he got ganked in a video game.
Everyone calling for The Mittani's resignation/ban is clearly out for political gain by his removal, and don't actually give a **** about The Wis. If people actually gave a damn about the miner, they'd be focusing on helping the guy to move on and improve his life, not calling for blood.
Stop being hypocrites. "It's the victims fault for being bullied." Hmmm... where have I seen that before? ~major news reporting on suicides ~
Nice spin work - you clearly tried hard.
The point is that this is EVE, where people are dicks, douchebags, and go out of their way to mess your **** up. It is advertised as being 'hard-core' and gritty. If you come here expecting different, then it is your fault. If you get so attached to a video game that you go into depression because you lost a ship, then you should step back. Sure, calling for people to gank him until he kills himself is pretty douchey, but was clearly put in jest.
Who actually believes that someone who says they'll kill themselves over a game over the internet is being serious? Very few. Why? Because people get pissed off and say stupid ****. This is the same, in my mind, as someone getting pissed and telling me they'll kill me, or my family, because I blew up their Rattlesnake (actually happened). I didn't take this seriously because it was some guy who was angry that he lost tons of ISK he worked his ass off for, and it was exceedingly unlikely he was going to hunt me down and kill me.
The Mittani has clearly stated his regret for making a statement that has been blown *way* out of proportion by people who have much to gain by his removal from the CSM and/or the game. Granted, his presentation was terrible, but that was more because it wasn't funny when it tried to be. Either way, maybe you should try actually helping out The Wis, rather than standing here shouting, "RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" because you don't like The Mittani and are jumping at the chance to knock him down a peg. |
Mireidor
Tactical Knightmare
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:02:00 -
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The person above me has ruined this thread by making a tl;dr post.
Having met The Mittani at Fanfest and having seen his alliance panel presentation, I disapprove of resignations and find that next year the alliance panel should include more carebear tears and suicide threats. Hold on to your hooves, I am about to be BRILLIANT! |
SpaceSquirrels
275
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:15:00 -
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Nah... Just need to own up to your mistakes. Apologize man to man really.
Picking on a depressed person kinda like making fun of someone handicapped... I mean not a whole lot of sport in it...especially if they're not there to defend them self or punch you in the face... |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:15:00 -
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No checkbox no vote. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:17:00 -
[35] - Quote
No, an apology is satisfactory to me. And resigning only gives validity to the ongoing witch hunt to depose The Mittani and get him banned for a foolish mistake.
Let CCP decide what punishment, if any beyond making a public statement, is warranted. |
Kilylol
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:31:00 -
[36] - Quote
Checkbox. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
547
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:32:00 -
[37] - Quote
No. CSM needs him more than ever before, CSM6 did a great job and CSM7 is going to continue that.
As far as I am concerned, he doesn't owe anyone an apology because people do stupid things and say stupid things all the time regardless if they are drunk or not. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
OfBalance
Caldari State
256
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:33:00 -
[38] - Quote
Where's the option for kicking the rest of the CSM and nominating him Dictator for life? |
Endeavour Starfleet
749
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:34:00 -
[39] - Quote
No, He should not resign.
Was the presentation in rather poor taste? Yes, but that is it. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1331
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:37:00 -
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Sadly, yes.
I think the work he did in the CSM 6 has given the CSM 7 the structure and model to succeed without him. If he stays it sends the players the wrong message about CSM accountability and the public the wrong message about the nature of Eve.
The benefits of him staying are far outweighed by the damage of him remaining.
Issler |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:38:00 -
[41] - Quote
I would have to say Yes.
This is going Viral and if its not fixed to not just our but now the gaming media's satisfaction this could seriously blow up in CCP's face.
I thought the apology was nice and factual, hell we have all been drunk as hell and done things, biggest problem now is how everyone else now views this. Last year The Mittani got stuck in the middle of "The Summer of Rage", this year he could be the cause. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:39:00 -
[42] - Quote
No.
He should apologize, which it looks like he did. He should return the scammed money from earlier and replace the loses his alliance caused. His alliance should offer the individual real protection for the month or so it takes this to blow over.
Humans do dumb things and make mistakes, one really stupid moment shouldn't invalidate the other good work he has done. If you don't want him as chair next year vote for someone else.
Oh and he should probably lay of the trolling on the forums for a while. |
Aki Sindari
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:41:00 -
[43] - Quote
Isn't one of the EVE mantras actions have consequences?
I guess it is only a cold hard universe if you aren't a Goon.
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Nambr1
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:42:00 -
[44] - Quote
yes |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:45:00 -
[45] - Quote
Checkbox |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:48:00 -
[46] - Quote
yes, yes and yes..
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:48:00 -
[47] - Quote
Yes
Nothing clever at this time. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:49:00 -
[48] - Quote
No!!
Save Derpy! er, I mean Mittani! |
RogueMind
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:49:00 -
[49] - Quote
He's going viral because you idiots want to see your name as "the source" from the EVE Online playerbase. No, he should not resign Needs more checkbox. |
Tebb1288
Ion Corp. Citex Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:50:00 -
[50] - Quote
no |
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Diamaht Nevain
Avatar Union
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:51:00 -
[51] - Quote
No
That was a sincere apology. We all have head to mouth issues sometimes, especially with alcohol |
Katsami
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:53:00 -
[52] - Quote
Aki Sindari wrote:Isn't one of the EVE mantras actions have consequences?
I guess it is only a cold hard universe if you aren't a Goon.
So if I snag a cookie before dinner I should have my hand cut off?
There are different levels of consequences, and I honestly believe that an apology and a bit of public scorn is enough. |
Kimmiy Kimasre
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:58:00 -
[53] - Quote
No, since he posted a well-written apology.
But I still support a sort of CSM impeachment, if only to establish that some behaviors are better left to private chat, for the good of the whole player base.
Please note, impeachment does not mean removal from office. It is just an official inquiry into conduct. It would do a lot to keep the non-gaming media from stirring up the dirt again a few weeks or months from now when they need a story about bullies and social media. |
Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:02:00 -
[54] - Quote
no
Guys a huge douchebag
But this is EVE ffs |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
57
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:03:00 -
[55] - Quote
YES |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:07:00 -
[56] - Quote
RogueMind wrote:He's going viral because you idiots want to see your name as "the source" from the EVE Online playerbase. No, he should not resign Needs more checkbox. Nice sentiment but with DUST 514 due out soon I don't think he will even have a real choice it will probably be resign or get kicked. This could really cost CCP money and one hell of a bad name, which they don't need after last years fiasco. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Zleon Leigh
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:07:00 -
[57] - Quote
Yes
But not necessary. CCP's enforcement of the rules will take care of it.
BTW - dog ate my homework and all the drinking made me run over someone. I'm totally without fault. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Anashka caldari
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:10:00 -
[58] - Quote
Yes
Disgraced the entire EVE community |
Ashuva Uesugi
STAHLSTURM
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:14:00 -
[59] - Quote
No, and Yes.
He should resign from Chairmen but stay in CSM and take any sentence that come to him as a man.
He apologized official, good thing, he apologized personally to the victim, he gave the victim about 10+ Billions very good thing.
But he needs to learn to be more mature in such kind of things.
And we should not forget what he achieved in the game and for us players. When real life lawyers get on it and can get on it depends on the laws of the countrys, that will be ccp or his problem. And this will be another thing that we should wait for.
So my vote is NO Chairmen for Mittani, but second in the line in CSM.
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Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:16:00 -
[60] - Quote
I think it'll be taken out of his hands.
If a CCP employee had managed to attract this much opprobrium as a result of their puerile drunken gobshitery, I'd fully expect them to be summarily dismissed the following morning.
His apology was well done but I'm not sure CCP will see that as enough. |
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
54
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:18:00 -
[61] - Quote
Bananas Post with your monkey. |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
780
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:45:00 -
[62] - Quote
No. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:50:00 -
[63] - Quote
Perma ban |
equcin meey
camdy and Co. inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:15:00 -
[64] - Quote
Mors Magne wrote:The central issue is that major depression (contemplating suicide) is extremely serious. Mittani confused real life with a game. He encouraged his thousands of followers to push that person to suicide.
Mittani must go.
I feel compassion for the Mittani because he has made his real name and appearance public. I suspect he will have to change his real name, because if any prospective employer Googles his name, I doubt they would want to employ him.
So it is in the Mittani's best interests to leave Eve and put the whole thing behind him.
if someone you followed told you to jump off a bridge would you? hell no you wouldn't so stop being a theory idiot and saying that all his followers will do what he says.idiots like you really **** me off because you think if someone says jump everybody else will and you have no idea on what its like in the real world.
and no i don't think he should stand down but i think its going to be between him and ccp as he has offered to step down. |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:16:00 -
[65] - Quote
STFU.
That means No. UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:25:00 -
[66] - Quote
Yes.
This is a PR disaster for CCP, and if Mittens gives a monkey's about the game, he'll quit the CSM. As others have said, he's got his own reputation to care about, and he needs to put this behind him. You can bet your ass any time future CSM-related news comes up, if mittens is still in the chair, there will be links to this sad incident.
So yeah, he goes, for the good of the game, and probably for his own good too. |
Cyprus Black
Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking
160
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:36:00 -
[67] - Quote
Yes to resignation.
Ask yourself this question: would he have still apologized for this if it didn't backfire on him like it did? Probably not. He's only apologetic because of the backlash in the same way criminals are only sorry when they get caught. Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:39:00 -
[68] - Quote
No better way to undermine the voter confidence than running the clear winner out on a rail.
This didn't sneak up on anyone. I vote no. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
157
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:49:00 -
[69] - Quote
Bananas.
Drunk people do stupid things all the time. I just want to see a promise not to do such stupid **** again, and since he's now a public figure, to NOT get so stinking drunk he can't remember what he's doing. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:50:00 -
[70] - Quote
Voting no.
Not like this is an official poll anyway, CCP will do what they want, or Mittani will do what he wants. Anything else is pointless whining. |
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D'go Jahn
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:00:00 -
[71] - Quote
Absolutely, yes.
The very vocal minority of eve players that enjoy victimizing others needs to take a hit. Quite a few people see New Eden as a place where some people pay to be predators and some people unknowingly pay to be prey. As long as this subculture continues thriving, EvE doesn't stand a chance. |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:02:00 -
[72] - Quote
Yes |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
285
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:03:00 -
[73] - Quote
Yes, its the bare minimum he needs to do.
He already said he would then backtracked from that. He needs to HTFU and be a man. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
106
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:03:00 -
[74] - Quote
Let me know when the OP gets 10,059 Likes. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:04:00 -
[75] - Quote
Pants |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:05:00 -
[76] - Quote
Waiting for checkbox. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
311
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:07:00 -
[77] - Quote
No! And I have actually seen the evidence. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1368
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:07:00 -
[78] - Quote
Huh...I am suprised this hasn't been locked yet.
I refuse to vote either way. It shouldn't be up to the playerbase, which at this point is a lynch mob, to decide the fate of The Mittani. This is up to The Mittani, The Wis, the CSM and CCP. Let them handle it and stop this bullshit forum lynching! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:07:00 -
[79] - Quote
Hell, no.
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Koranten
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:07:00 -
[80] - Quote
Permanent Ban and GOonwaffle disband |
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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:08:00 -
[81] - Quote
Yes. |
Saint Lazarus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
197
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:08:00 -
[82] - Quote
Weird, I just thought it'd be a good idea for CCP to let US choose his faith.
Hes a public representative so NO they shouldnt fire him, have a referendum, let the public choose.
My vote: No
Was a massive **** move, but whatever, I've done MUCH MUCH worse when drunk, and got nowhere near this level of press =( |
Jessy Berbers
Tribuo Quod Victum The AirShip Pirates
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:10:00 -
[83] - Quote
Yes, and much more action, then a simple resignation. |
Swearte Widfarend
Mortis Noir. Ineluctable.
58
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:11:00 -
[84] - Quote
No.
Would you like me to log in all my accounts and vote No?
BTW, I didn't vote for him. but 10,000 people did. Talk about horrid disenfranchisement. (is that a word?) CCP is changing ship skill trees. How ship skills should be |
Walker Ahashion
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:11:00 -
[85] - Quote
Yes. |
Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:13:00 -
[86] - Quote
Resignation? No.
However, J+ñgerbombs should be outlawed at fan-fest. They are like pride in a way; it only hurts. It never helps. |
Gewrixlera
Aurora Security Transstellar Operations
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:14:00 -
[87] - Quote
No. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:15:00 -
[88] - Quote
Saint Lazarus wrote:Weird, I just thought it'd be a good idea for CCP to let US choose his faith.
Buddhism. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:15:00 -
[89] - Quote
No Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:16:00 -
[90] - Quote
Azriel Geist wrote:No.
An apology will suffice.
Earlier he was mocking and insulting people upset by his behaviour. An apology made simply as damage control and not truely meant is meaningless and a lie. |
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Saint Lazarus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
197
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:19:00 -
[91] - Quote
Darrow Hill wrote:Resignation? No.
However, J+ñgerbombs should be outlawed at fan-fest. They are like pride in a way; it only hurts. It never helps.
No no no NO a thousand times NOOOOoooooooooooooooooooOOoOOooooooo
Kallynda Nai wrote:Saint Lazarus wrote:Weird, I just thought it'd be a good idea for CCP to let US choose his faith. Buddhism.
After that reply I'm glad I made that stupid typo tbh
Edit: and im not editing it either! my votes Buddhism too. |
Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:19:00 -
[92] - Quote
I've spoken out against his actions. I've spoken out against the goons views on the whole issue.
However, I vote no
Or at least, only yes, in the event that it is truely needed. The media has caught it for now, but will any of them remember it in a week at this current moment? Unless more fuel is added to the fire, I'd say no, or at least, it'll just be 'another story out of EVE online'.
I do however support adding a limit to the amount of terms one person can run for Or perhaps even if you run for CSM, you must drop out (at least that character), of any alliance. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
210
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:21:00 -
[93] - Quote
No to resignation.
To re-assert a point I made in another thread, Mittani may have scored a few derp points for his drunken rambling... but the people looking to weaponize the incident as a tool to attack him are ten times worse than that. You mask yourselves under the pretense of caring about a suicidal person, but one doesn't have to be a good judge of character to see that you don't care an iota about him - only about turning Mittani's words into a justification for him to suffer a penalty, any penalty really. You accuse him of being a sociopath, but I can't see many more sociopathic things than this. |
Selene Theron
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:23:00 -
[94] - Quote
Yes. |
low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:24:00 -
[95] - Quote
yes |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:25:00 -
[96] - Quote
Saint Lazarus wrote:Darrow Hill wrote:Resignation? No.
However, J+ñgerbombs should be outlawed at fan-fest. They are like pride in a way; it only hurts. It never helps. No no no NO a thousand times NOOOOoooooooooooooooooooOOoOOooooooo Kallynda Nai wrote:Saint Lazarus wrote:Weird, I just thought it'd be a good idea for CCP to let US choose his faith. Buddhism. After that reply I'm glad I made that stupid typo tbh Edit: and im not editing it either! my votes Buddhism too.
Make sure you like my comment so I can be as relevant as Jade Constantine, voice of the people! |
Glockshna Quant
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:27:00 -
[97] - Quote
No
Also inb4lock |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:28:00 -
[98] - Quote
Absolutely! Resign, ban, exile.
I
L O V E
A L L
T H E
G O O N
T E A R S
~ 49,000 ~ |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2012
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:29:00 -
[99] - Quote
No.
There really is no real reason to do it, since he immediately admitted his mistake and apologized. It took the wind out of the whole thing before it became unmanageable. It's now your standard political scandal with people making a lot of fuss about it in order to achieve their own agendas, but it will blow over nevertheless. His resignation would be convenient for some interests, but just convenient. It is in no way necessary. It might happen if he wants to martyr himself or CCP volunteers him for the role, but ignoring direct CCP intervention, a proper politician would have no problem weathering something like this.
I voted for Seleene though, so I don't really care whether he stays or goes. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
290
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:30:00 -
[100] - Quote
Aki Sindari wrote:Isn't one of the EVE mantras actions have consequences?
I guess it is only a cold hard universe if you aren't a Goon.
Thats what it seems like for all their HTFU.
Goon brand is freaking damaged now. |
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Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:31:00 -
[101] - Quote
Ashuva Uesugi wrote:No, and Yes.
He should resign from Chairmen but stay in CSM and take any sentence that come to him as a man.
He apologized official, good thing, he apologized personally to the victim, he gave the victim about 10+ Billions very good thing.
But he needs to learn to be more mature in such kind of things.
And we should not forget what he achieved in the game and for us players. When real life lawyers get on it and can get on it depends on the laws of the countrys, that will be ccp or his problem. And this will be another thing that we should wait for.
So my vote is NO Chairmen for Mittani, but second in the line in CSM.
No to having the Chair.... to be determined on being part of CSM.
I'll leave interpretation of the EULA etc., to CCP.... the big question for CCP has to be: "Has this been picked up by non-gaming media outlets?" For a company seeking to expand the Eve playerbase, for a company preparing to launch DUST, the perceptions of the general public are likely to have a powerful impact on the viable options for dealing with this blunder.
Good or bad, right or wrong, bullying is a hot topic at the moment.... The Mittani may not have very many realistic options if this should go viral outside the gaming community. |
Dalmont Delantee
The Black Legionnares BLACK-MARK
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:33:00 -
[102] - Quote
no |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1298
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:35:00 -
[103] - Quote
Yes |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:35:00 -
[104] - Quote
Man a whole lot of you suck at instructions. I feel bad for your doctors when they give you a 2 page questionnaire loaded with nothing but yes or no check boxes and you return to them an autobiography.
No. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
adopt
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
333
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:37:00 -
[105] - Quote
OP you are bad at polling.
[ ] Yes [ ] No [ x ] Checkbox Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
351
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:40:00 -
[106] - Quote
I vote no.
But this is what CCP and CSM are going over at the moment:
Quote:They (CSM members) are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Terms_of_Service
"You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player."
He probably didn't carry himself in manner that CCP wishes to promote as an example for other players to follow.
"Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings."-á-Transientmind @ massively |
gulftobay
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:40:00 -
[107] - Quote
Yes. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:43:00 -
[108] - Quote
The Mittini stirkes me as the type of guy who will show his true feelings and colours by his actions.
we all watch and wait.
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Paint Thinner
The Grubs
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:44:00 -
[109] - Quote
No |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:45:00 -
[110] - Quote
Sorry, i like goon mentality, dont be serious its a game, but it was out of game and he showed his real self, alcohol intoxication doesn-¦t make you do anything its just removes the barriers that stop you doing what you want
Removal from CSM and permaban of all owned and accessed accounts, why?, as it was Out Of Game at a CCP event and not gameplay,
An apology days later for damage limitation doesn-¦t wash. |
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CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy Caldari State
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:47:00 -
[111] - Quote
yes |
Steve Celeste
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
258
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:48:00 -
[112] - Quote
From chairman for life to banned for life.
Yes. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
142
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:51:00 -
[113] - Quote
Resign chair yes. Resign CSM no.
Regardless if I don't like Mittani (which is the character in the game and NOT the player behind that character) I can't bring myself to discard 10k votes that easy.
But in the end it's up to CCP and not the lynchmob.
|
Public Relation
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:57:00 -
[114] - Quote
No. |
Rumless MK2
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:57:00 -
[115] - Quote
Deeply involved MMO player lacks proper social etiquette = shocking.
The real question is: Who at CCP is getting fired for their complete lack of oversight of the alliance presentations?
And to answer the OP, no he should not resign. Regardless of my opinions of him as a human being, I believe that he will be much more effective at improving this game then any of his predecessors. |
space gator
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:15:00 -
[116] - Quote
Yes. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
36
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:18:00 -
[117] - Quote
Posted a bit ago, but never saw it mentioned, going to put up the following:
SeleeneGÇÅ@Seleene_EVEReply Retweet
Favorite -+ Open
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. #tweetfleet #EveOnline #csm7 #csm6
Retweeted by The Mittani
So calls for resignations, the mongering, etc won't cause anything else. Maybe time for us to all Kumbaya and let what needs to be done, get done and not cause problems for CCP or negative press for eve. |
Shukuzen Kiraa
47-Ronin Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:18:00 -
[118] - Quote
No.
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Mr Vrix
Vrix Nation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:24:00 -
[119] - Quote
the whole omg i was drunk is bulshit, its not like he made the whole slideshow within 5 secs while beeing druk , he might have gone abit furter then planned but still.. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:32:00 -
[120] - Quote
No. |
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Dasfunkeh
Barr Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:34:00 -
[121] - Quote
3 of these posts on the front-page. gtfo
But seriously, what has the guy he said that stuff to said about it? did he accept the apology?
Either way - NO |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:38:00 -
[122] - Quote
Yes.
But the most damage he has caused with his actions is to his own RL career. That apology was probably designed to try and salvage his RL career in Law, it's not a genuine apology to the EVE community. What he said has got to have some kind of impact on his RL job prospects. For someone who is supposed to be a responsible and trustworthy RL professional, making comments like that on camera to thousands of people is just plain foolish.
Career Limiting Factor as we say in England! C.L.F. |
dontmindmeloltwo
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:39:00 -
[123] - Quote
Yes - and make Seleene new chair, i feel he could be a suitable replacement as he has been playing eve since near the start and actually has a clue about changes the game has been through from the start.
also looking at some of the mittani's twitter posts the day after or so about people getting mad about profanity etc... makes me think he doesnt care at all. |
Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:48:00 -
[124] - Quote
No.
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Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
55
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:50:00 -
[125] - Quote
Destination SkillQueue wrote:No.
There really is no real reason to do it, since he immediately admitted his mistake and apologized. It took the wind out of the whole thing before it became unmanageable. It's now your standard political scandal with people making a lot of fuss about it in order to achieve their own agendas, but it will blow over nevertheless. His resignation would be convenient for some interests, but just convenient. It is in no way necessary. It might happen if he wants to martyr himself or CCP volunteers him for the role, but ignoring direct CCP intervention, a proper politician would have no problem weathering something like this.
I voted for Seleene though, so I don't really care whether he stays or goes. The only reason why he apalogized was because there was a uproar. Everyone knows what kind of a person Mittani is. This is called cyber bullying. And it is so funny how people say "this is eve, blahblah, its brutal, blahblah, kill or be killed, blahblah". What he has done is, taken eve into RL and gave out the guys evemail address. That is kind of absurd, that CPP will not ban mittani for cyber bullying. Off with his head.
|
PaTrond
X-9 Chained Reactions
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:55:00 -
[126] - Quote
CCP is investigating this. It's that simple. I actually hope CCP won't ask about the public opinion about this, as it's a serious case. Suicidal player or not, you just don't joke with that the way it happened. I'm pretty sure CCP will judge this in a professional way. I however applaud The Mittani's apology to the community. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:00:00 -
[127] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:No. It would be Stupid and Trivial to go out like this, taken down by a drunken side comment that was exploited by the press after winning a second term as CSM chairman. Instead, Mittani needs to survive this, thus increasing his ego ten fold, thereby encouraging him to keep doing increasingly extreme, crazy and arrogant things until his Ego can't pull it off anymore, at which point he goes out in a Blaze of Supreme Vain-glory, in an event that we'll be talking about in the years to follow.
But this. This isn't the way to go out. There's no glory. Nothing worthy to remember.
This is exactly how I feel.
So no. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:19:00 -
[128] - Quote
EvE Online is a cruel game, so NO! Apology should suffice |
Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:21:00 -
[129] - Quote
NO!!
No actions by player TOONS should have ANY impact on ANYONES 'RL'.
If anyone gets that upset over what happens in a game, then they should've stopped playing a long time ago.
And he apologized anyway.
He who has never put their foot in their mouth cast the first stone pl0x.
Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |
Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:24:00 -
[130] - Quote
Mistress Lilu wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:No.
There really is no real reason to do it, since he immediately admitted his mistake and apologized. It took the wind out of the whole thing before it became unmanageable. It's now your standard political scandal with people making a lot of fuss about it in order to achieve their own agendas, but it will blow over nevertheless. His resignation would be convenient for some interests, but just convenient. It is in no way necessary. It might happen if he wants to martyr himself or CCP volunteers him for the role, but ignoring direct CCP intervention, a proper politician would have no problem weathering something like this.
I voted for Seleene though, so I don't really care whether he stays or goes. The only reason why he apalogized was because there was a uproar. Everyone knows what kind of a person Mittani is. This is called cyber bullying. And it is so funny how people say "this is eve, blahblah, its brutal, blahblah, kill or be killed, blahblah". What he has done is, taken eve into RL and gave out the guys evemail address. That is kind of absurd, that CPP will not ban mittani for cyber bullying. Off with his head.
That's not cyber bullying , idiot.
Cyber bullying has to be bullying someones ACTUAL person, not their player TOON in a GAME.
If you can't tell the difference than I cannot help you.
In no way has anything been taken into 'RL'
I cant stand overdramatic morons. Nothing better to do? Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
[131] - Quote
dontmindmeloltwo wrote:Yes - and make Seleene new chair, i feel he could be a suitable replacement as he has been playing eve since near the start and actually has a clue about changes the game has been through from the start.
also looking at some of the mittani's twitter posts the day after or so about people getting mad about profanity etc... makes me think he doesnt care at all.
Remember at the start he (says he) didn't have net hooked up. Tweeting and browsing from phone. Was on a plane, unpacking etc. I know a few people there were to busy to get on during the trip home. If you check, he comments how (and isn't an excuse) he didn't remember the comments, regrets, blah blah. But recommend you go back and read all tweets, plus the apology, if you feel the statements of remorse are false, well, that is for yourself personally to decide. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:33:00 -
[132] - Quote
no checkbox, didn't vote Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
65
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:39:00 -
[133] - Quote
Yes.
Not because I think he broke any rules, or should be banned, or is a bad person, or Titan nerfs, or he shouldn't be on the CSM, or any of that other irrelevant stuff.
He should resign because he said he would. Plain and simple. Had he not said he would resign, I would say "no". |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
266
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:49:00 -
[134] - Quote
Yes, of course he should resign from the CSM.
Yes, he should be banned from all future CSM elections.
Yes, of course he should be banned from Eve.
Anything less will permanently damage the CSM, CCP, and Eve. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Stoogie
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:55:00 -
[135] - Quote
Yes |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
313
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:56:00 -
[136] - Quote
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:EvE Online is a cruel game, so NO! Apology should suffice
Yeah too bad this was out of game stuff.
|
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
489
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:57:00 -
[137] - Quote
yes, it's better for PR, that's who it goes when your in public office |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:58:00 -
[138] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Niena Nuamzzar wrote:EvE Online is a cruel game, so NO! Apology should suffice Yeah too bad this was out of game stuff.
Quit whining already.
PS. Look at the guy liking each Yes post. |
VampireZIM
Blood Raiders Initiate BLOOD EMPIRE
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 23:01:00 -
[139] - Quote
No |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:02:00 -
[140] - Quote
WTF this forum sucks.
No. Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
490
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 23:11:00 -
[141] - Quote
Sunviking wrote:Yes.
But the most damage he has caused with his actions is to his own RL career. That apology was probably designed to try and salvage his RL career in Law, it's not a genuine apology to the EVE community. What he said has got to have some kind of impact on his RL job prospects. For someone who is supposed to be a responsible and trustworthy RL professional, making comments like that on camera to thousands of people is just plain foolish.
Career Limiting Factor as we say in England! C.L.F.
right, this isn't an argument about cyber bullying, and what it is.
if you do something wrong, you have to own up, or risk a lot of backlash from many areas in life.
He isn't going to go down with the boat just to make a point, it's just a game. |
Zoltar
Perdu Opus
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:04:00 -
[142] - Quote
yes |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:21:00 -
[143] - Quote
No
Bunch of idiots with an axe to grind blowing things way way way out of proportion. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
101
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:23:00 -
[144] - Quote
yes |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
422
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:28:00 -
[145] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote:Yes
EDIT 27/3 pm:
But -
I have now watched the whole Alliance Presentation, which by and large was interesting and (thanks, ExookiZ) quite a laugh.
It was however in the fourth quarter that things took a turn for the worse. That should have been expected, because you can clearly see from the beginning that the TEST, DNS and Goon CEO's are already loaded, and have a shedload of more alcohol spread out in front of them.
Their language was foul, their attitudes were loutish and they couldn't give a flying f***. This, from (two anyway) of the most powerful and influential players in the game. OK, probably to be expected but -
This, on a live World Wide Web feed available to any member of Joe Public who cared to click the Play button? That's a freaking PR disaster.
It's actually CCP who has to answer for this. They should have easily seen trouble brewing. They should have cut the feed when the language got out of hand and what was a reasonably professional presentation became a complete fiasco.
They should have banned alcohol from the stage, or allowed it and not filmed it. Or a compromise between the two. This isn't hindsight 20-20, this is Television 101. Live tv + alcohol = trouble.
I'm no prude - I'm thinking here about prospective new players. Because frankly, that half hour of effing, blinding, posturing and insulting is the worst single piece of universal PR nightmare CCP has manufactured, to date. And they could so easily have prevented it.
So I suspect the "investigation" into Mittani will also involve some major introspection and damage limitation.
I still think Mittani should resign as Chairman of the CSM but stay on the committee. He's made a decent and thoughtful apology. He can still be infuential. But he will need to take some definitive action, and giving away the contents of his wallet is no solution; he'll be more than recompensed by supporters.
I guess this thread will be locked soon which is why I've added what I hope is a more objective look at this affair. But for what it's worth, so far the No's outweigh the Yes's.
There is no ******* way I'm giving CCP another ******* dime unless they rectify the situation quickly.
It is against the forum rules for me to encourage anyone else to do this; however in this case I will not have to ask, it will just happen. Just like Tuesday 21 June 2011. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Geodeath
Fist of God
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:28:00 -
[146] - Quote
Yes+banhammer
Not funny to people that have had suicide touch their lives.
Negative points to all present who stoodby and said nothing. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
254
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:36:00 -
[147] - Quote
No...
I'm not a fan of the goons... but I don't think he crossed the line enough to warrant his dismissal. He's done a lot in reshaping the direction of EvE, and frankly, under his watch CCP's direction has radically changed for the better. I say keep him as CSM chair.
If anything, CCP should setup a few "rules" for Alliance panel presentations.... |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:42:00 -
[148] - Quote
No. I never voted for him but the childness of most calling for resigning is is mind numbing
A mistake was made, Appology was made 11Bill compensation Paid. Now we have a chairman who will not make that mistake a second time.
An avatar was attacked not an individual... there is a difference. The only real life person hurt is the Mittani because his real life is known. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:46:00 -
[149] - Quote
No. |
Blut'Engel
Runnin With Scissors
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:04:00 -
[150] - Quote
Yes + Ban |
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Brutorcitizen01052010914
Politically Incorrect
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:06:00 -
[151] - Quote
Yes |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
79
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:07:00 -
[152] - Quote
NO
I love EVE and has The Mittani done great things for this game.
I hate whining self righteous emo *****, they only add a lot of noise.
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
comader shawn
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:08:00 -
[153] - Quote
yes |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:08:00 -
[154] - Quote
Irrelevant. It has nothing to do with us what happens, it is purely in the hands of CCP. |
killler465
Politically Incorrect
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:09:00 -
[155] - Quote
yes + banhammer |
iownslaves
Politically Incorrect
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:10:00 -
[156] - Quote
Yes. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:12:00 -
[157] - Quote
Yes.
He claimed he did wrong himself, claimed he would resign himself, and left no question as to wrong doing in his own words. Why even ask? Is he wanting to back out of it now? Was he just "drunk again?" If he will not man up and take care of this himself let CCP apply the ban hammer to help him stiffen that spine. |
Discovery Man
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:12:00 -
[158] - Quote
Yes. |
angles2001
Ununpentium Productions
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:15:00 -
[159] - Quote
yes and ban |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:15:00 -
[160] - Quote
Yes. It's bad press for EVE if he remains the DEV's player-advisor. |
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Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
100
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:16:00 -
[161] - Quote
Yes Indeed.. |
mikal 2001
Politically Incorrect
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:16:00 -
[162] - Quote
Yes |
Jita Alt666
966
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:17:00 -
[163] - Quote
Was going to say Yes; resign. Then saw that Cipher Jones has his panties in a twist due to the situation not seemingly resolving itself in a manner suited to Cipher Jones' wishes. So now I am stuck between two evils.
I say No. Good bye Cipher Jones. |
bdeath2u
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:17:00 -
[164] - Quote
Yes and yes again + banhammer |
Lost Holding
Element 115.
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:20:00 -
[165] - Quote
Yes. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
321
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:20:00 -
[166] - Quote
Yes.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
YuuKnow
158
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:20:00 -
[167] - Quote
Yes.
And to those that say "10k wasted votes". 10k accounts is still *less than* 3% of the total Eve subscriber base. The other 97% of the subscriber base don't give a **** what a measely 3% want.
yk |
Vyktor Abyss
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
96
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:22:00 -
[168] - Quote
Yes but no he won't. |
Bashia Remedy
Ununpentium Productions
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:22:00 -
[169] - Quote
YES |
Rutherford Rainman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:30:00 -
[170] - Quote
Yes, no doubt in my mind. I said it in another thread as well that actions have consequences, even while drunk. |
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
482
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:44:00 -
[171] - Quote
Maybe. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Wessler
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:52:00 -
[172] - Quote
YES. |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:58:00 -
[173] - Quote
What he did was bad He was drunk on his ass and knew he would be on internet TV - which was irresponsible He saw what he did when was sober enough to see the replay and he says it was a very bad thing he did
(many apparently do not have faith in his ability to judge his own actions as they argue with him that what he did was not alllll that bad, so either they don't have faith in his judgment or they know more about whether he will just say anything necessary to cover his ass. Me, I'm taking him at his word and he said he did a bad thing. His followers who know him better can doubt his ability to be sincere, but I will wait to see his actions.)
He paid a sort of retribution to the victim in the form of ISK, but some may call it a bribe or a payoff to let it pass - I'm still out on that one
He said what he did crossed the line and he will resign - so I don't understand why this thread is running
If he fails to keep his word, his CSM word, that will be the most damaging thing he can do for his credibility, his CSM credibility. I would expect his RP character to tell everyone to **** off, but he did not do this while RPing and from his own apology he indicates he can compartmentalize his RP self from his CSM self.
OK - we have heard from his sober self on the slides (I've seen the whole tape and reviewed the important parts more times.) We have heard from his drunken self which slipped from being his CSM/reality self to his RP/fantasy self We have heard from his hangover self when he offered his apology.
Now, I wait to see who will show up to make the next decision.
But to my mind, failing to keep one's word issued from a real world leadership position (whether irresponsibily drunk, sober or judgment impaired headachy hungover) completely ends any future trust and move the person into a not suitable for purpose category.
Mittani - it is your move, unless CCP takes it for you, since the neither the ball or the court belong to you, anyway. YOU have placed yourself in a difficult position, by your own actions, from which you can only emerge totally damaged as one who cannot keep his word for personally selfish reasons, or one who can begin to restore himself from what was self described as having made a bad mistake. |
Jack Gauge
Dusk Till Dawn Mystic Dawn Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:58:00 -
[174] - Quote
Like everyone else, I have been watching this unfold. After a lot of thought, I believe that although he was very out of line concerning his choice of mocking the personal issues the victim was suffering, context must be considered as well. Everyone knows who the Goons are, and what they are about. There is no question about that. The player chose to express personal information to people he did not know, and to Goons of all people. He had to know this was a bad idea.
The presentation was made in good spirit, and meant to be carefree and mocking in general, in traditional Goon fashion. With the exception of the personal comments and call to harass the person, the whole thing was in character with what one would expect from the leader of the Goons.
He was wrong to push it as far as he did.
I believe it was not intentionally meant to be as harmful as it appeared.
I believe his apology.
I do believe he should step aside as Chairman, but he should remain on the CSM.
He should promise not to run for re-election.
I think many people should learn from this, but he should be allowed to make the contribution to the counsel that the people felt he could make.
I think CCP should learn from this and take steps to prevent this next year or any year.
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Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:02:00 -
[175] - Quote
Mu
You all need to relax. Let CCP deal with it.
PS.
A monk once asked master Chao-chou, "Does a dog have Buddha-nature or not?" Chao-chou said, "Mu"
...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |
5ilent
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:04:00 -
[176] - Quote
Honestly, this should be upto the guy who was invoved in this, if he feels the apologie is enough then so be it, if he feels that the Mittani should step down, then so be it, its not upto us to decide. |
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone Ironworks Coalition
59
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 02:05:00 -
[177] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote: I'm no prude - I'm thinking here about prospective new players. Because frankly, that half hour of effing, blinding, posturing and insulting is the worst single piece of universal PR nightmare CCP has manufactured, to date. And they could so easily have prevented it.
AT9 final springs to mind. The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 02:17:00 -
[178] - Quote
Vangelios wrote:Mu
You all need to relax. Let CCP deal with it.
PS.
A monk once asked master Chao-chou, "Does a dog have Buddha-nature or not?" Chao-chou said, "Mu"
WOW! Am I ever enlightened!! |
Yuki 0nna
The White Rose Conventicle
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:24:00 -
[179] - Quote
Yes and ban from CSM for life
The offense goes beyond his incitement of others to grief a potentially suicidal player.
His entire presentation from start to finish was nothing but a bullying public humiliation of all EVE players newer, weaker, more naive, less knowledgeable, less literate, less sophisticated and "cool," yes, even more Christian than himself, the panel, and the members of the present and viewing audience invited to join in the smug superior laughter of every more powerful "in" group at those they cast "beyond the pale."
It was no accident. No product of a drunken moment of indiscretion. It was planned, it was executed, and it was disgraceful.
Say what you want about EVE being a "hard" PvP game, The Mittani's behavior is nothing any parent would wish to see their child emulate. In an adult, in an elected representative of a player community, one which decidedly includes all those upon whom The Mittani labored to cascade contempt, such behavior is near unforgivable. It is certainly not commensurate with his any longer speaking or in any way standing for that full community's interests. Like it or not, The Mittani shamed us all as adults who choose to play EVE Online.
There is a poison in EVE, a poison which increasingly foments conflict not between peers, null sec empire against null sec empire, small corp against small corp, but which instead incites and celebrates the strong preying up the weak, the veteran upon the noob, the prepared predator against the defenseless prey, not for in game triumph or advantage but to reach beyond the game, beyond the pixels, to "harvest tears" and impotent anger from real persons.
The Mittani has made himself, not inadvertently but deliberately, the chief agent of this poison and its spread. He must go. EVE's culture is a violent, no-holds-barred PvP culture on many levels, and it should remain so, but it must step back from this ugly cesspool into which The Mittani and his ilk have been leading it. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
483
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:45:00 -
[180] - Quote
Yuki 0nna wrote:Yes and ban from CSM for life
The offense goes beyond his incitement of others to grief a potentially suicidal player.
His entire presentation from start to finish was nothing but a bullying public humiliation of all EVE players newer, weaker, more naive, less knowledgeable, less literate, less sophisticated and "cool," yes, even more Christian than himself, the panel, and the members of the present and viewing audience invited to join in the smug superior laughter of every more powerful "in" group at those they cast "beyond the pale."
It was no accident. No product of a drunken moment of indiscretion. It was planned, it was executed, and it was disgraceful.
Say what you want about EVE being a "hard" PvP game, The Mittani's behavior is nothing any parent would wish to see their child emulate. In an adult, in an elected representative of a player community, one which decidedly includes all those upon whom The Mittani labored to cascade contempt, such behavior is near unforgivable. It is certainly not commensurate with his any longer speaking or in any way standing for that full community's interests. Like it or not, The Mittani shamed us all as adults who choose to play EVE Online.
There is a poison in EVE, a poison which increasingly foments conflict not between peers, null sec empire against null sec empire, small corp against small corp, but which instead incites and celebrates the strong preying up the weak, the veteran upon the noob, the prepared predator against the defenseless prey, not for in game triumph or advantage but to reach beyond the game, beyond the pixels, to "harvest tears" and impotent anger from real persons.
The Mittani has made himself, not inadvertently but deliberately, the chief agent of this poison and its spread. He must go. EVE's culture is a violent, no-holds-barred PvP culture on many levels, and it should remain so, but it must step back from this ugly cesspool into which The Mittani and his ilk have been leading it.
shiptoastin' liek a baws |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1309
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:09:00 -
[181] - Quote
Mittani Resignation. I Vote Yes, asap. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:11:00 -
[182] - Quote
Resignation,yes. |
Atapine
Serpentine Holding Consortium
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:17:00 -
[183] - Quote
I say Mittens Stays ;) |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
766
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:21:00 -
[184] - Quote
TheMittani, with your attitude of wishing people to die, get the **** out of my game. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
118
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:40:00 -
[185] - Quote
Headerman wrote:TheMittani, with your attitude of wishing people to die, get the **** out of my game. Agreed 100%, **** off Mittens we don't need you here, you peice of ****. |
Ricardo Aguti
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:42:00 -
[186] - Quote
No. It's over. DIAF OP
Ban OP, Thread Gas |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
358
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:43:00 -
[187] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI
1:12:00
Watch it then decide. He was at least half serious IMO. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
118
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:43:00 -
[188] - Quote
Ricardo Aguti wrote:No. It's over. DIAF OP
Ban OP, Thread Gas Wouldn't that just be too convienient for you Mittani zerglings on a crusade to save an asshat and make him look like a white knight. People see past all the crap you all spew, Mittens will go away, accept it (deal with it~). |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
484
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:28:00 -
[189] - Quote
no
(also mittens has already announced his willingness to resign as chairman) |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
405
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:43:00 -
[190] - Quote
It's not up to Mitt. He violated the CSM policy. It's up to CCP to uphold the letter of the law they laid down. It's not his choice. He made his choice on camera, on a mic...or does he get a do-over? I assure you, people he's ganked mercilessly aren't give any quarter. Neither should he. He violated his agreement. He's out. He doesn't get a vote.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
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Dhorion Pyler
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:53:00 -
[191] - Quote
How am I supposed to vote without checkboxes? I love checkboxes!
EDIT: Err Checkboxes? |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:55:00 -
[192] - Quote
Don't really care tbh...
But its fun to see goon tears
~8301~ Oderint Dum Metuant |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:58:00 -
[193] - Quote
No.
I do however propose that you pubbies just "stop it already" and return to your mining belts or whatever it is you do all day. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
378
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:58:00 -
[194] - Quote
Florestan Bronstein wrote:no
(also mittens has already announced his willingness to resign as chairman)
Yeah that's not good enough.
he isnt banned yet only because he is E fame. Which in itself is a bad example CCP is laying out already. |
Dhorion Pyler
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:02:00 -
[195] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:no
(also mittens has already announced his willingness to resign as chairman) Yeah that's not good enough. he isnt banned yet only because he is E fame. Which in itself is a bad example CCP is laying out already.
E fame = E Peen? Is that what this is all about? Wow I guess it does just always boil down to the size of one's E Peen. |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:03:00 -
[196] - Quote
He already said he was resigning. Everyone expects that he'll be a man of his word. This is a moot point and we're just waiting for the official announcement from CCP.
Mittens has gone the way of the Queen of Spoons. Now lets stop talking about him. How CCP reacts to the Mittani comments at fanfest will show whether they condone this behavior or not. If they do nothing, then obviously pushing for real world violence and death is an acceptable gameplay tactic to them and will open a whole new venue of strategy for us, the gamers. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
58
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:03:00 -
[197] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:no
(also mittens has already announced his willingness to resign as chairman) Yeah that's not good enough. he isnt banned yet only because he is E fame. Which in itself is a bad example CCP is laying out already.
Why, because you say so? (seriously, I'm still looking for an answer to this question) |
Altimo
Clan Hyena Axiom Solaris
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:05:00 -
[198] - Quote
I never even voted for Mittani in the first place but, Should he resign over something this trivial? No. |
Asura Kai
Khanid Astrogeology Consortium The Empiric Fleet Coalition
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:09:00 -
[199] - Quote
Yes!
Off with his head !!!!
Its a very troubling sign of someone playing Eve too long when he can no longer differentiate his online persona from his real life persona, drunk or not. |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Narwhals Ate My Duck
73
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:20:00 -
[200] - Quote
Its a shame to see him go. A lot of Good things happened to EVE when mittani was around.
A lesson here is that Alcohol is not something you should indulge in excessively. |
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
31
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:49:00 -
[201] - Quote
If the Mittani resigns from the CSM he will have more time to actually play the game. Do you people really want that?
My vote? No resignation (but not for the reason alluded above). Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
45
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:09:00 -
[202] - Quote
I am confused.
Mittani says he did a bad thing, used the word horrible, expressed great regret revulsed by what he did
Now his followers coma along and argue with him about it, calling it trivial, no big deal, nothing to be concerned about
I guess this is the history of the downfall of Eve's big corps. The leadership loses the confidence of the rank and file and they toss him to the curb, or the leadership loots the corp and walks away when he sees the members starting to grumble
They must be really mad at him as they have refuted every word he has said after the taping and kinda sobered up. I guess they like him shitfaced drunk better than sober
Is he waiting for CCP to act or will he honor his word
Will CCP act? One of the things the players were mad about last summer is that it took CCP so long to act, and here we are again - CCP sitting on their thumbs waiting to see which way the wind blows on the forums before deciding if they will enforce a rule or not..
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:12:00 -
[203] - Quote
No checkbox no vote
Also poll should be "Was Roadhouse the best film of all time?" |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
321
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:48:00 -
[204] - Quote
I say no. And I bet that most people saying yes has not seen the evidence and did not vote in the election. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
486
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:54:00 -
[205] - Quote
JusFooling Around wrote:I am confused.
Mittani says he did a bad thing, used the word horrible, expressed great regret revulsed by what he did
Now his followers coma along and argue with him about it, calling it trivial, no big deal, nothing to be concerned about
I guess this is the history of the downfall of Eve's big corps. The leadership loses the confidence of the rank and file and they toss him to the curb, or the leadership loots the corp and walks away when he sees the members starting to grumble
They must be really mad at him as they have refuted every word he has said after the taping and kinda sobered up. I guess they like him shitfaced drunk better than sober
you might want to entertain the thought that the "revulsion" thing was the mittani's message to the public while his message to the alliance talked about "stupid media hit pieces"
different strategies for internal and external communications - what a revolutionary concept |
Pip x2
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:58:00 -
[206] - Quote
I'm just going to leave this here as well |
Molly Argonaut
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:03:00 -
[207] - Quote
yes and asap |
JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:02:00 -
[208] - Quote
[quote=Florestan Bronstein][quote=JusFooling Around]I am confused.
Mittani says he did a bad thing, used the word horrible, expressed great regret revulsed by what he di
Now his followers coma along and argue with him about it, calling it trivial, no big deal, nothing to be concerned abou
I guess this is the history of the downfall of Eve's big corps. The leadership loses the confidence of the rank and file and they toss him to the curb, or the leadership loots the corp and walks away when he sees the members starting to grumbl
They must be really mad at him as they have refuted every word he has said after the taping and kinda sobered up. I guess they like him shitfaced drunk better than sobe [/quote you might want to entertain the thought that the "revulsion" thing was the mittani's message to the public while his message to the alliance talked about "stupid media hit pieces
different strategies for internal and external communications - what a revolutionary concept[/quote
So, you are saying that he cannot distinguish between his real world self who he describes as Alexander with responsibilities as a representative of all Eve players who must be ready to perform the duties of an elected member of the CSM and the role he plays in a fantasy world of a game who he describes as a psychotic evil Mittani because it fits well for the make believe of the game? Essentially, you are saying he cannot tell the difference between fantasy and real life
You go on to say the apology was just something he said to the public, but his real message to the alliance seems to contradict any sincerity which may be seen in the apology
So help us out here and tell me how I missed anything you may have said
Somehow, I think players want to hear from Alexander Gianturco when he is speaking as a CSM and from Mittani when he is roleplaying a psychotic evil doer in a fantasy space ship game. After all, that is how he explained it when he apologized. And now you are telling me that Alexander Gianturco really exists to assist the fantasy character achieve his goals as a crazy ass sumbitch. To carry that to its logical next step, you are saying Alexander is not representing all eve players on the CSM, but Mittani sits on the CSM to further his evil doings in support of his alliance. |
Jean-Derp deCurrency
ISKesis Trust Fund
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:05:00 -
[209] - Quote
No .
The miner's apology will be enough ( don't mix internet spaceship and real life issues, don't try to make people feel guilty because you've been dumb ) |
JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:06:00 -
[210] - Quote
Florestan Bronstein wrote:JusFooling Around wrote:I am confused.
Mittani says he did a bad thing, used the word horrible, expressed great regret revulsed by what he did
Now his followers coma along and argue with him about it, calling it trivial, no big deal, nothing to be concerned about
I guess this is the history of the downfall of Eve's big corps. The leadership loses the confidence of the rank and file and they toss him to the curb, or the leadership loots the corp and walks away when he sees the members starting to grumble
They must be really mad at him as they have refuted every word he has said after the taping and kinda sobered up. I guess they like him shitfaced drunk better than sober
you might want to entertain the thought that the "revulsion" thing was the mittani's message to the public while his message to the alliance talked about "stupid media hit pieces" different strategies for internal and external communications - what a revolutionary concept
So, you are saying that he cannot distinguish between his real world self who he describes as Alexander with responsibilities as a representative of all Eve players who must be ready to perform the duties of an elected member of the CSM and the role he plays in a fantasy world of a game who he describes as a psychotic evil Mittani because it fits well for the make believe of the game? Essentially, you are saying he cannot tell the difference between fantasy and real life
You go on to say the apology was just something he said to the public, but his real message to the alliance seems to contradict any sincerity which may be seen in the apology
So help us out here and tell me how I missed anything you may have said
Somehow, I think players want to hear from Alexander Gianturco when he is speaking as a CSM and from Mittani when he is roleplaying a psychotic evil doer in a fantasy space ship game. After all, that is how he explained it when he apologized. And now you are telling me that Alexander Gianturco really exists to assist the fantasy character achieve his goals as a crazy ass sumbitch. To carry that to its logical next step, you are saying Alexander is not representing all eve players on the CSM, but Mittani sits on the CSM to further his evil doings in support of his alliance. |
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Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:13:00 -
[211] - Quote
26/10,059
Not bad, but you still have a ways to go OP. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
200
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:21:00 -
[212] - Quote
Even though I dislike the goons, and I think the Mitanni has reaped what he sows to some degree on this issue, this is the atmosphere that CCP claims to want in their game; cuthoat and hardcore, where bullying in game, and apparently in the metagame is enabled.
Given that CCP wants this stuff, I'll say no.
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JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
50
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:32:00 -
[213] - Quote
I like how the 10059 votes gets tossed around so easily.
But when I looked at the demographics of voters, I found over 8400 voters were from accounts less than 30 days old. One of the largest groups of that particular demographic.
It is wonderful for such raw noobs to feel a civic duty to vote in an election on issues they really know nothing about.
Of course, they may just have been a flood signups to the conveniently timed buddy plan whose main character signed them up just to buy a vote. Using plexes to fund another spot in the line at the polls is a very economical way to buy an election. I wonder how many of those voting 30 day old accounts will be around beyond the end of the special buddy plan period?
How revolutionary would that be? |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
675
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:35:00 -
[214] - Quote
No, and my money is on Issler stepping down first in a big huff because no one will take him/her seriously on the CSM after this. Here's your sign... |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
676
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:42:00 -
[215] - Quote
JusFooling Around wrote:I like how the 10059 votes gets tossed around so easily.
But when I looked at the demographics of voters, I found over 8400 voters were from accounts less than 30 days old. One of the largest groups of that particular demographic.
I hate to demolish the premise of your logic, but that statistic you saw means they were older than 30 days but less than 250.
You couldn't vote this time around if you weren't at least 30 days old iirc.
Here's your sign... |
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:49:00 -
[216] - Quote
look, I hate the Mittani and everything he stands for...on the other hand I totally respect a voted official. I voted for Mittani the first time. And even though I dont like him I respect his ability to get **** done.
that said, I think CCP has a hard line to play. I really dont want to disenfranchise a lot of voters who genuinely wanted Mittani. However, leaving Mittani as a representative of CCP and EVE is going to be a big blemish on their record. Whether you want it or not, Mittani is going to represent the company and I'm not sure if a small company like CCP can afford that, especially when they are on the cusp of someting huge. Also, consider that if CCP does allow him to continue the media response is likely to be that CCP allows or even condones this kind of behavior. Bad publicity can make or break any company. I'm NOT saying Mittan=CCP death, there is NO WAY I could know that. However, I think the possibility exists and I dont think its worth it.
There is a completely objective reason for voting yes for Mittani's resignation. |
JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
50
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:52:00 -
[217] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:JusFooling Around wrote:I like how the 10059 votes gets tossed around so easily.
But when I looked at the demographics of voters, I found over 8400 voters were from accounts less than 30 days old. One of the largest groups of that particular demographic.
I hate to demolish the premise of your logic, but that statistic you saw means they were older than 30 days but less than 250. You couldn't vote this time around if you weren't at least 30 days old iirc.
I totally apologize, I will look again at the demographics, when I have time but I did not want to wait on my apology until I return from my up upcoming road trip which departs soon.
Thank you for setting me straight in such a cordial manner. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
150
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:52:00 -
[218] - Quote
Yes,
Given all my reasonings in other threads so no need to repeat them. |
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
54
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:00:00 -
[219] - Quote
IBTL |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
324
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:01:00 -
[220] - Quote
JusFooling Around wrote:But when I looked at the demographics of voters, I found over 8400 voters were from accounts less than 30 days old.
Haha. You really believe that? With such biased reading and thinking I am amazed you managed to register for this game.
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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
48
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:03:00 -
[221] - Quote
Yes...
Then have him banned from EVE.
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:07:00 -
[222] - Quote
i dont vote unless i can vote checkbox |
Hotaru Yamato
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:09:00 -
[223] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:i dont vote unless i can vote checkbox
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Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
248
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:10:00 -
[224] - Quote
Yes. Purely because it draws a line under the issue and we can move on.
C.
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Enormously Huge
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:10:00 -
[225] - Quote
Yes, and he should be banned. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:12:00 -
[226] - Quote
If Mittens is banned, can everyone who has ever sent a death threat ingame also be banned?
Oh wait, there will be about 4 people and the japanese noobs left if that happened... |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:16:00 -
[227] - Quote
Yes,no or GTFO? |
Lyrelle
Vae-Victus Lunar Industries Partnership
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:27:00 -
[228] - Quote
Yes and he should be permanently banned. |
Delegado Cero
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:34:00 -
[229] - Quote
No.
But he should resign as CEO of Goonwaffe, remorse is not a good quality. |
lachesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:21:00 -
[230] - Quote
to my mind this is getting a little out of hand with regards to peeps forum posts .I watched the HD stream of his performance on the stream . and tbh he made a complete **** of his self
How about this as a compromise mittens is allowed to keep his account however a condition of this that he is not allowed to stand for any CSM roles for a minimum set period determind by the player base . a proviso of this is that he resigns ALL of his roles in goonswarm and is compelled to leave the goonies as part of his punishment . .... for a set period of time untill he realises the ramifications of what he has said live on tv . to my mind absaloute power corrupts absaloutly and i think in this case this is what has happend heh at the end of the day internet spaceships is a seroius business [:=d
lets face it he has essentially embarressed the eve community in front of the world with what he said and how can ccp grow the player base if new players get the impression that we all have this type of attitude and are prepared to conduct our selves in such a manner live on tv . like i said hes essentially got to big for his boots and thinks hes untouchable whilst he has made a public apology to the playey concerned and paid a siutable recompense to said player i wouldnt want him kicked out of the game
tldr mittens has got too big for his boots and should be punished but in essence the playerbase need peeps like him although i dont allways advocate his particular style of play or attitude i dont want to see him kicked i personally think this is a suitable comprimise ....discuss yes im posting with an alt cos i cannot be arsed with the flames . |
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Lord Reid
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:24:00 -
[231] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:i dont vote unless i can vote checkbox
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Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
58
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:27:00 -
[232] - Quote
Would it not be appropriate to start a thread calling for his suicide?
Ya know... just so we can see CCP swiftly respond to "threats" against one of their most favoured customployees? |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
58
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:29:00 -
[233] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:If Mittens is banned, can everyone who has ever sent a death threat ingame also be banned?
Oh wait, there will be about 4 people and the japanese noobs left if that happened...
Well there was this one guy called Boson who was banned for that.
Also, I'd be fine, because I've never made a death threat to anybody in game or out. Except maybe when I was about 8 years old and my brother took my scooter off me.
But seriously, I'd be fine if everybody who makes death threats was banned. Not seeing the problem. |
Agent Kyoo
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:32:00 -
[234] - Quote
YES
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Notorious BIG
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:33:00 -
[235] - Quote
Yes,
He should resign from CSM as chairmen as he represent eve online and the community.
He crossed a line drunk or not and must bare some consequences for that.
Should he be banned ?
I would leave that up to CCP, in however they feel the negative publicity effecting their game.
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Lotta Mullarkey
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:36:00 -
[236] - Quote
Even though IGÇÖm not a big fan of the Goons, I still say NOGǪ!!!
If he himself decides to step down as head of the CSM as he promised he would, than thatGÇÖs another matter entirely. But it should still be HIS decision and HIS ALONEGǪ! I donGÇÖt think CCP should force him to take the fall for this. In fact, I believe CCP has foregone their ability to force him out of the CSM chair. Saying you expect people to show reasonable conduct during an alliance panel is one thing. But not screening presentation material beforehand while at the same time allowing panel members to consume copious amounts of alcohol during the presentation is another and a recipe for disaster at that. They should have realised the potential for something like this to happen. (-1 to CCP).
He did apologise, and although I agree that it is near impossible to judge the sincerity of a written statement, I do believe he meant what he said. IGÇÖve seen the alliance presentation and he sucks as an actorGǪ (Sorry if youGÇÖre reading this Alex, but itGÇÖs trueGǪ). Let Mittens be the villain en EveGǪ Let him have his 10,059 votesGǪ A lot of people who are not terrible fans of the Goons still appear to applaud all the work Alex did during his previous CSM charmanship. So I still like to believe itGÇÖs Alex who's CSM and not Mittens.
This whole GÇ£blown out of proportionGÇ¥ witch-hunt needs to stop and CCP needs to step in and start locking treads like this one. If this so called PR disaster results in a code of conduct for CSMGÇÖs and alliance panel representatives during future EVE events, than I will be more than satisfied. ItGÇÖll probably do more good to CCPGÇÖs reputation than simply booting someone out of the game because they had a terrible lapse of judgement while under the influence of alcohol. |
lachesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
[237] - Quote
Lotta Mullarkey wrote:Even though IGÇÖm not a big fan of the Goons, I still say NOGǪ!!!
If he himself decides to step down as head of the CSM as he promised he would, than thatGÇÖs another matter entirely. But it should still be HIS decision and HIS ALONEGǪ! I donGÇÖt think CCP should force him to take the fall for this. In fact, I believe CCP has foregone their ability to force him out of the CSM chair. Saying you expect people to show reasonable conduct during an alliance panel is one thing. But not screening presentation material beforehand while at the same time allowing panel members to consume copious amounts of alcohol during the presentation is another and a recipe for disaster at that. They should have realised the potential for something like this to happen. (-1 to CCP).
He did apologise, and although I agree that it is near impossible to judge the sincerity of a written statement, I do believe he meant what he said. IGÇÖve seen the alliance presentation and he sucks as an actorGǪ (Sorry if youGÇÖre reading this Alex, but itGÇÖs trueGǪ). Let Mittens be the villain en EveGǪ Let him have his 10,059 votesGǪ A lot of people who are not terrible fans of the Goons still appear to applaud all the work Alex did during his previous CSM charmanship. So I still like to believe itGÇÖs Alex who's CSM and not Mittens.
This whole GÇ£blown out of proportionGÇ¥ witch-hunt needs to stop and CCP needs to step in and start locking treads like this one (another -1 to CCP for not doing soGǪ Yet). If this so called PR disaster results in a code of conduct for CSMGÇÖs and alliance panel representatives during future EVE events, than I will be more than satisfied. ItGÇÖll probably do more good to CCPGÇÖs reputation than simply booting someone out of the game because they had a terrible lapse of judgement while under the influence of alcohol.
but do you not think that if we as a community were not allowed to discuss this type of stuff on our own forums what would the rest of none playing observers think about what eve is all about ...at the end of the day we are all ambassadors for this game and if one of the most prominent players is going to conduct him self whilst apparently representing the whole communty ....then what does it say about the rest of us ...i say no to a thread lock in this case ...this is something that needs to be discussed by the whole community ...imo .... my main is prolly one of the oldest characters in eve .... and i simply cannot condone this type of behaviour live in front of the world .... like i said i dont want him kicked but he does need to be set an example by the player base as a hole ...... i have played since 2003 ...and quite frankly im embarressed by his attitude and his perfomance in front oh the world |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
108
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:52:00 -
[238] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote:Yes
EDIT 27/3 pm:
But - They should have banned alcohol from the stage, or allowed it and not filmed it. Or a compromise between the two. This isn't hindsight 20-20, this is Television 101. Live tv + alcohol = trouble.
I disagree reality TV 101 just add alcohol & ratings & controversy go through the roof. You need to go back to shcool kiddo... there is no such thing as publicity rule is giving Eve a spotlight right now. I hope it does attract new subscribers. =========== Above said I hope intead of resignation the CSM has a vote of Censure and Mittens quitely accepts it. I don't beleive they should impeach him but if they do then there should be an Eve wide vote to keep or toss him. What he said any worse them getting a BJ from monica lewenski & lie ing about it? Or ransaking the watergate equilenent in order to dig up dirt on Darius III? One other US president was impeached & he survived getting tossed out by a very few votes I recall "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:05:00 -
[239] - Quote
Yes I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:05:00 -
[240] - Quote
Hey everyone in eve your all ******* low life assholes and I hope a space rock kills each and every one of you and disables your closest loved one.
PS Sorry I was drunk when I typed that we all good right?! I mean I said sorry.
O how could I forget to vote...
BAIIIIIIIIIIIII |
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Count Austheim
Raven's Flight Vanguard.
31
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:08:00 -
[241] - Quote
Dont care If this ships a-¦rockin, then im strangling someone....
http://count-austheim.blogspot.com/ |
lachesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:11:00 -
[242] - Quote
Count Austheim wrote:Dont care
well you should do ...he represents you ...........wether you like it or not ....hes the public face of all the eve player base . |
PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
249
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:15:00 -
[243] - Quote
CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned. |
Lotta Mullarkey
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:16:00 -
[244] - Quote
lachesis wrote:
but do you not think that if we as a community were not allowed to discuss this type of stuff on our own forums what would the rest of none playing observers think about what eve is all about ...at the end of the day we are all ambassadors for this game...
Discuss = Yes. Which-hunt = No.
CCP, the CSM's and a mature player base should try to learn from this so it can be prevented from happening again in the future. Unfortunately, both CCP and the CSM's are remaining terribly quiet at the moment while the majority of the player base is screaming for blood. As if this is the only answer to the problem. There has to be a better and more constructive solution. IGÇÖm sorry to say, but weGÇÖre not doing a terrible good job at being GÇ£ambassadors of EVEGÇ¥ at the moment which I why I believe we're better of leaving this in the more capable hands of CCP and the CSM's. I hope they don't remain quiet for much longer.
DarthNefarius wrote:
I disagree reality TV 101...
Makes me realise that Endemol is pumping far worse crap into our living rooms than the stuff weGÇÖve seen in the alliance panel. |
lachesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:23:00 -
[245] - Quote
Lotta Mullarkey wrote:lachesis wrote:
but do you not think that if we as a community were not allowed to discuss this type of stuff on our own forums what would the rest of none playing observers think about what eve is all about ...at the end of the day we are all ambassadors for this game...
Discuss = Yes. Which-hunt = No. CCP, the CSM's and a mature player base should try to learn from this so it can be prevented from happening again in the future. Unfortunately, both CCP and the CSM's are remaining terribly quiet at the moment while the majority of the player base is screaming for blood. As if this is the only answer to the problem. There has to be a better and more constructive solution. IGÇÖm sorry to say, but weGÇÖre not doing a terrible good job at being GÇ£ambassadors of EVEGÇ¥ at the moment which I why I believe we're better of leaving this in the more capable hands of CCP and the CSM's. I hope they don't remain quiet for much longer. DarthNefarius wrote:
I disagree reality TV 101...
Makes me realise that Endemol is pumping far worse crap into our living rooms than the stuff weGÇÖve see in the alliance panel.
if you read my 1st post i distinctly said that this is getting to be a which hunt and i want it to stop its tearing the player base apart . i cant see how ccp can actually step in tbh because in essence he has done nothing wrong in game to warrant a ban ...he wasnt playing eve so i simply cannot see how they can do anything with regards to his conduct .he was represent eve...not playing it |
Heet Crusher
Drunk Chaos Unprovoked Aggression
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:25:00 -
[246] - Quote
yes ban him deal with it |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
624
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:27:00 -
[247] - Quote
IMO, it should not be up to the players. As with any large group, we are subject to mob mentality with which all reason and logic go out the window.
In the end it is up to CCP. I'll be content with whatever they decide is appropriate. |
Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
89
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:27:00 -
[248] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote: I disagree reality TV 101: just add alcohol you controversy & ratings go through the roof. You need to go back to school kiddo... "there is no such thing as bad publicity" rule is giving Eve a spotlight right now. I hope it does attract new subscribers. /snip
Actually I have a BA(Hons) in Public Relations from Leeds Polytechnic (that was). You seem to think all PR is good PR and back it up by snatching at straws. CCP has a tiny fraction of the resources available to a frigging President fer Gawd's sake lol.
In this case, the crud is out there for all to see, in all its grubby reality. People have sadly grown up believing what they see on television, and increasingly also what they see on the Internet. Blame the media for that, as well as viewers' dumb acceptance of what's on the screen. But c'est la vie. This started out as an entertaining series of presentations and collapsed into a train wreck. There's no way back from it, any more than there would have been for 'that president' if Monica had filmed the 'alleged' incident and stuck it on YouTube. The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
lachesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:41:00 -
[249] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:IMO, it should not be up to the players. As with any large group, we are subject to mob mentality with which all reason and logic go out the window.
In the end it is up to CCP. I'll be content with whatever they decide is appropriate.
how can ccp step in ...he`s done nothing wrong in game because he wasnt playing the damned game at the time of his comments .... his punishemnt should be completley voluntary ...but decided by options voted upon by the eve player base 1 he leaves.2 he stays ...but then his punishment is decided upon by the player base by a democratic vote given by options by ccp .... if ccp say they listen to the playerbase ...then now of all times its now up to ccp to step up to the plate and prove they mean what they say . |
radix29
Unforeseen Consequences. THE UNTHINKABLES
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:41:00 -
[250] - Quote
No. Hello Kitty Online ---->
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Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:43:00 -
[251] - Quote
I voted for him at the CSM elections because from a point of view of the community (and not from the point of view of his character and him as a player), he has done a lot of good things in regards to pushing matters through to CCP and actually getting things done.
But the fact is that for what he did during Fanfest, he has to go and no amount of troll posting from Goonswarm members will make it less true. He can still remain in Goonswarm and be the hero he is there.
But further than just him, it's CCP who is to blame heavily here and I really hope that they will comment on this in the coming days.
It's absolutely not normal that CSM and Alliance leader members would be allowed to walk up on stage loaded and keep on drinking in front of cameras that actually transmit the show live all around the globe.
The game has a legal minimum of 13 years old to play (according to the EULA). If any thirteen year old kid decided he would want to see what's going on at Fanfest and would like to learn a bit about the new stuff going on in the alliances and decided to watch this, he would be pretty confused.
I wouldn't feel very happy as a father if my thirteen year old kid (which I don't have, only an 8 month old daughter) would watch that kind of behaviour from people supposed to represent the community he's a part of as a player.
So this is not about The Mittani calling out for "suicide bullshit whatever". This is about CCP allowing crap like what went down during Fanfest to go down. But Mittens has to go anyway. He shouldn't be allowed to remain as head of the CSM after what he did. He should however remain on the CSM as a member, and in now way should he be banned from the game, that is just ********. |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
108
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:44:00 -
[252] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: I disagree reality TV 101: just add alcohol you controversy & ratings go through the roof. You need to go back to school kiddo... "there is no such thing as bad publicity" rule is giving Eve a spotlight right now. I hope it does attract new subscribers. /snip
Actually I have a BA(Hons) in Public Relations from Leeds Polytechnic (that was). You seem to think all PR is good PR and back it up by snatching at straws. CCP has a tiny fraction of the resources available to a frigging President fer Gawd's sake lol. In this case, the crud is out there for all to see, in all its grubby reality. People have sadly grown up believing what they see on television, and increasingly also what they see on the Internet. Blame the media for that, as well as viewers' dumb acceptance of what's on the screen. But c'est la vie. This started out as an entertaining series of presentations and collapsed into a train wreck. There's no way back from it, any more than there would have been for 'that president' if Monica had filmed the 'alleged' incident and stuck it on YouTube.
Leeds? that UK or??? well reality TV 101 & internet 101 seem to teach new ideas which many are disgusted about but get used to it because its here tostay for quite a while more. Everbody loves watching a train wreck. Been interesting if Bill had a luv child from Monica like Herbert Hoover I seem to recall had & still got elected Of course everything on the Internet is true I saw Obama's kenyan birth certificate the other day on the internet... speaking of straw snatches i saw one the other day on the internet also :) "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
624
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:44:00 -
[253] - Quote
lachesis wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:IMO, it should not be up to the players. As with any large group, we are subject to mob mentality with which all reason and logic go out the window.
In the end it is up to CCP. I'll be content with whatever they decide is appropriate. how can ccp step in ...he`s done nothing wrong in game because he wasnt playing the damned game at the time of his comments .... his punishemnt should be completley voluntary ...but decided by options voted upon by the eve player base 1 he leaves.2 he stays ...but then his punishment is decided upon by the player base by a democratic vote given by options by ccp .... if ccp say they listen to the playerbase ...then now of all times its now up to ccp to step up to the plate and prove they mean what they say . It was a CCP event. CCP can choose the consequences independent of the hoards of stupid players. |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:55:00 -
[254] - Quote
no |
Fradle
Bite Me inc Exhale.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:01:00 -
[255] - Quote
no |
lachesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:04:00 -
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yes it certainley was a ccp event ...but when was the last time a player banned from playing eve because he attended a ccp event making silly crass comments and being bolloxed ...in the 9 years of playing ive not heard of one ... if at the end of the day IF he was a member of the ccp team he would prolly been sacked for his comments ...... but as i have already said he said what he said as an individual while REPRESENTING the eve comunity NOT CCP .... and he as our COMMUNITY CHAIRMAN needs to answer in some way or another by decisions made by the player base for portraying us as the eve playing community in such an embarrassing light
ive never been so embarrassed in the nine years of playing eve since the fanfest ..... and the player base should decide what to do with him ....not ccp .
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:04:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:IMO, it should not be up to the players. As with any large group, we are subject to mob mentality with which all reason and logic go out the window.
In the end it is up to CCP. I'll be content with whatever they decide is appropriate.
So - how about CCP? What's it going to be?
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
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CCP Phantom
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:26:00 -
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