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Ai Shun
669
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:10:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:I really hope you never do something wrong and have to fake an apology for it. Fixed. And agreed. I hope so too.
Fixing something means it was broken. What I wrote was not broken. You are welcome to say something else if that is what you feel, but please do not change something I wrote into something different. That is fundamentally dishonest as you are attributing a statement to me that I did not make.
That said, who are you to judge if a person feels remorse or not? Would you want people to treat you as if your apology is fake if you make one?
That is a high moral ground you are putting yourself on. I sincerely hope you are as perfect as you imply you are. Then and again, given that you misrepresent what I said probably not
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:11:00 -
[5372] - Quote
Jitageddon Is Coming wrote:THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE MITTANI IS NOTHING SHORT OF A HERO TO THIS GAME AND ALL OTHER ONLINE GAMES IN THE WORLD. HE IS TO ONLINE GAMES AS WHAT JESUS CHRIST IS TO CHRISTIANITY. WHAT ALLAH IS TO MUSLIMS. LIKE ALL HEROS IS ANY TALE, THERE IS OF COURSE THE HATTERS/VILLANS.
Can you hear that? The whispering?
It's like the thread itself is alive........ muttering madly to itself...
"So many tears... so many precious tears....." |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:13:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:I really hope you never do something wrong and have to fake an apology for it. Fixed. And agreed. I hope so too. Fixing something means it was broken. What I wrote was not broken. You are welcome to say something else if that is what you feel, but please do not change something I wrote into something different. That is fundamentally dishonest as you are attributing a statement to me that I did not make. That said, who are you to judge if a person feels remorse or not? Would you want people to treat you as if your apology is fake if you make one? That is a high moral ground you are putting yourself on. I sincerely hope you are as perfect as you imply you are. Then and again, given that you misrepresent what I said probably not
If I made an apology like that and people believed me, then I would think people are pretty dumb.
The Mittani thinks people are pretty dumb. Coincidence? |
Ai Shun
669
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:14:00 -
[5374] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Ai Shun wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:I really hope you never do something wrong and have to fake an apology for it. Fixed. And agreed. I hope so too. Fixing something means it was broken. What I wrote was not broken. You are welcome to say something else if that is what you feel, but please do not change something I wrote into something different. That is fundamentally dishonest as you are attributing a statement to me that I did not make. That said, who are you to judge if a person feels remorse or not? Would you want people to treat you as if your apology is fake if you make one? That is a high moral ground you are putting yourself on. I sincerely hope you are as perfect as you imply you are. Then and again, given that you misrepresent what I said probably not If I made an apology like that and people believed me, then I would think people are pretty dumb. The Mittani thinks people are pretty dumb. Coincidence?
And I think you are pretty dumb. Guess there is no coincidence then. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
222
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:21:00 -
[5375] - Quote
AI Shun, just let these people have their circlejerk. This thread is pretty much dead now. |
Ai Shun
671
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:27:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:AI Shun, just let these people have their circlejerk. This thread is pretty much dead now.
You are probably right; but these holier than thou types are making me want to be a Goon / ganker |
GOON TEARS BEST-TEARS
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:30:00 -
[5377] - Quote
Jitageddon Is Coming wrote:THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE MITTANI IS NOTHING SHORT OF A HERO TO THIS GAME AND ALL OTHER ONLINE GAMES IN THE WORLD. HE IS TO ONLINE GAMES AS WHAT JESUS CHRIST IS TO CHRISTIANITY. WHAT ALLAH IS TO MUSLIMS. LIKE ALL HEROS IS ANY TALE, THERE IS OF COURSE THE HATTERS/VILLANS.
Why so serious?? U MAD BRO ?
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:55:00 -
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T-B0NE wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Yeah ppl totally just PLAY sociopaths and arent them IRL When I come home from a hard day of putting up with others people's crap, and having to do it with a smile on my face, I'm glad their is a game where I can sit back and make someone else's life hell for once. I don't think that makes me a sociopath, if anything I believe having this outlet to vent in such a manner makes me a more well adjusted individual. Some people drink, I play EVE (and drink)
right... let me say it again as you missed it the first time:
Quote:A sociopath is a person who has antisocial personality disorder. The term sociopath is no longer used to describe this disorder. The sociopath is now described as someone with antisocial personality disorder.
The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopathGÇÖs personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.
Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.
Although these symptoms are all present, they may not always be evident. Research has shown that the sociopath is usually a person with an abundance of charm and wit. He or she may appear friendly and considerate, but these attributes are usually superficial. They are used as a way of blinding the other person to the personal agenda behind the sociopathGÇÖs behaviour.
Many people with antisocial personality disorder frequently indulge in alcohol or drug use.
Thx for proving my point
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Ai Shun
672
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:57:00 -
[5379] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:T-B0NE wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Yeah ppl totally just PLAY sociopaths and arent them IRL When I come home from a hard day of putting up with others people's crap, and having to do it with a smile on my face, I'm glad their is a game where I can sit back and make someone else's life hell for once. I don't think that makes me a sociopath, if anything I believe having this outlet to vent in such a manner makes me a more well adjusted individual. Some people drink, I play EVE (and drink) right... let me say it again as you missed it the first time: Quote:A sociopath is a person who has antisocial personality disorder. The term sociopath is no longer used to describe this disorder. The sociopath is now described as someone with antisocial personality disorder.
The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopathGÇÖs personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.
Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.
Although these symptoms are all present, they may not always be evident. Research has shown that the sociopath is usually a person with an abundance of charm and wit. He or she may appear friendly and considerate, but these attributes are usually superficial. They are used as a way of blinding the other person to the personal agenda behind the sociopathGÇÖs behaviour.
Many people with antisocial personality disorder frequently indulge in alcohol or drug use. Thx for proving my point
I'm still struggling to not go eat my lawn after playing a Tauren Shaman for so many years. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:59:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Samuel payne Thorstensen wrote:What Mittani did is not only childish, and stupid Yeah, that's why he apologised. And why people threatened his wife. You know. People are stupid in general. Samuel payne Thorstensen wrote:but also against the law At the risk of feeding you - but where? Iceland? The United States? The State he lives in? (Now known because with the threats to him his home address was also released) Abu Dhabi? The Internet?
The US for ONE
Its called Cyberbullying and if needed I can yet again get those definitions (including the one that says "when it involves adults is accompanied with jail time) and YES, in the US its illegal (Arizona especially).
Which makes me wonder when playing EVE will become a crime
Ai Shun wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:AI Shun, just let these people have their circlejerk. This thread is pretty much dead now. You are probably right; but these holier than thou types are making me want to be a Goon / ganker
and what about those that drink the kool aid?
You cant possibly be that naieve?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:03:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:
I'm still struggling to not go eat my lawn after playing a Tauren Shaman for so many years.
Why would someone wanna role play theyre that stupid that they cant tell the difference
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
5
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:04:00 -
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Arizona's Cyberharassment law is at Ariz. Rev. Stat. -º 13-2921.
Most other states either have a Cyberstalking or Cyberharassment law, or both.
Federal Cyberstalking law is found at 47 USC s. 223.
For the most part, the states are the ones doing enforcement of the cyberstalking and harassment laws, though.
I don't know the laws in other countries, but I would imagine that at least some of the EU countries have cyber laws. |
Teiret
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:05:00 -
[5383] - Quote
[Sigurd Sig Hansen = bollocks]
Presumably this copy/paste definition (prolly from wikipedia) was to inform us that ingame behaviour mirrors RL personality?
May one ask, does your forum avatar represent the real you?
Or for that matter, would you speak to someone IRL the way you do on these forums?
Let's keep this rhetoric chain running...
Was Hannibal the Cannibal (a fictional character for the scrubs) justified in eating "the free range rude"? |
Ai Shun
672
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:07:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:The US for ONE
Its called Cyberbullying and if needed I can yet again get those definitions (including the one that says "when it involves adults is accompanied with jail time) and YES, in the US its illegal (Arizona especially).
Which makes me wonder when playing EVE will become a crime
Interesting. I'd not realised your laws covered something said at a public gathering in a different country. And that is then treated as "cyberbullying". Surely that should just be "bullying". He didn't say anything in-game or through an electronic medium.
But okay.
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:You cant possibly be that naieve?
No, but I'm human enough to accept a person's apology and to treat others as I would like to be treated. Maybe old fashioned, but I tend to respect people and their actions and I don't let blind hatred cloud my mind.
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Why would someone wanna role play theyre that stupid that they cant tell the difference
I'm guessing that swooshing sound was my comment flying right over your tiny little head. No worries though, maybe somebody will come along and explain the difference between video games and reality to you soon.
I can call someone for you. Perhaps one of those men with the little white coats? |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
69
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:19:00 -
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Shea Valerien wrote:
Federal Cyberstalking law is found at 47 USC s. 223.
I skimmed through it. Didn't really apply to this situation in any way. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:22:00 -
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Teiret wrote:[Sigurd Sig Hansen = bollocks]
Presumably this copy/paste definition (prolly from wikipedia) was to inform us that ingame behaviour mirrors RL personality?
thats one...
Quote:Cyberbullying is the use of technology to harass, threaten, embarrass, or target another person. By definition, it occurs among young people. When an adult is involved, it may meet the definition of cyber-harassment or cyber-stalking, a crime that can have legal consequences and involve jail time.
Thats two...
Quote:Cyberbullying can be defined as "willful and repeated harm inflicted through the use of computers, cell phones, and other electronic devices."
Thats three... none are wikis btw...
"Cyberbullying is a form of bullying that takes place using an electronic medium.
The term bullying has been defined in different ways by experts in the field. Many use a definition from Olweus, a pioneering researcher on bullying, which states, "...a student is being bullied or victimized when he is exposed repeatedly and over time to negative actions on the part of one or more other students" (Olweus 1993, 9). Other researchers have maintained that bullying involves an intention to hurt the victim, and a power differential between bully and victim (Pepler et al. 1997, 2; Coloroso 2002, 13). Most experts now agree that bullying must include these four features:
Negative or hurtful behaviour: The behaviour of the bully is negative or hurtful to the victim. The bullying behaviour can range from nonverbal aggression, such as stares and teasing, to serious physical assaults. It can be direct or indirect; indirect bullying comprises behaviours that covertly cause distress to the victim, such as gossip, spreading of rumours, or encouraging others to exclude a person (Pepler et al. 1997, 2). Intent to harm: The bully means to inflict emotional and/or physical harm on the victim. Imbalance of power: The bully is more powerful (either real or perceived power) than the victim. The power differential in bullying may arise from differences in size and stature, but also from higher social status, a knowledge of vulnerabilities, or from the number of children colluding with the bully (Pepler et al. 1997, 2). Repeated over time: The negative behaviour towards the victim occurs repeatedly."
[The last one would be true given he's getting multiple people to do his dirty work for him (unless of course you think that doesnt count, in which case youd then think Charles Manson is innocent as he didnt kill ppl, he got ppl to kill them for him).]
Thats Four...
"Cyberbullying is harassment or intimidation of another person through electronic means. Those means may be email, instant messages, blogs, websites, social networking sites, text messages, and telephones. The intent of the cyberbully is hostile and negative."
It can also be called Cyber Stalking and Cyber Harassment as Ive so far read
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Ai Shun
672
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:28:00 -
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Thomas Orca wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: :words:
All that text. Still didn't address the point that it was (presumably) an ocean away and used no technology.
Oh hush with your logic! He has a crusade and a dislike of Goons. Don't stand in his way or he'll bully you into submission with his words |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:29:00 -
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Thomas Orca wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: :words:
All that text. Still didn't address the point that it was (presumably) an ocean away and used no technology.
sooooo it WASNT broadcast on the internet, and the people he planned to use to get that person to commit suicide WERENT using computers (Some of which wouldnt then be "an ocean away"?
Your argument would be valid were he sitting in a field talking to people not on computers, not streaming across the internet (KNOWING ios being streamed)
Ai Shun wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: :words:
All that text. Still didn't address the point that it was (presumably) an ocean away and used no technology. Oh hush with your logic! He has a crusade and a dislike of Goons. Don't stand in his way or he'll bully you into submission with his words
Yeah you wouldnt want to you know READ those words and illuminate your ignorance. But as thats obviously beyond you, Im out. I refuse to argue on a text based forum with people too ignorant to read.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:32:00 -
[5389] - Quote
Ahhh! Zombie thread!!! Where the hell is my shotgun??? |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:33:00 -
[5390] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: :words:
All that text. Still didn't address the point that it was (presumably) an ocean away and used no technology. sooooo it WASNT broadcast on the internet, and the people he planned to use to get that person to commit suicide WERENT using computers (Some of which wouldnt then be "an ocean away"? Your argument would be valid were he sitting in a field talking to people not on computers, not streaming across the internet (KNOWING ios being streamed)
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
This quote is pretty relevant
Quote:Remedial > I mean, I just love having a GM tell me to stop 2500 different players from performing an action
Also, giving a drunken Mittens too much credit thinking he planned anything. |
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Ai Shun
672
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:33:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:sooooo it WASNT broadcast on the internet, and the people he planned to use to get that person to commit suicide WERENT using computers (Some of which wouldnt then be "an ocean away"?
So, if I record you telling a group of friends that you should go and attack all miners in Didoxie to kill them with my phone in plain sight and upload it to Youtube; I can have you accused of cyberbullying?
Awesome. Where do you live?
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Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
6
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:34:00 -
[5392] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Shea Valerien wrote:
Federal Cyberstalking law is found at 47 USC s. 223.
I skimmed through it. Didn't really apply to this situation in any way.
Yeah, wasn't suggesting it did. Just pointing out what the laws were.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
421
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:38:00 -
[5393] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events?
Makes me think of Charles Manson though in a much muuuuuuch much much much less dire and important situation https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Teiret
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:45:00 -
[5394] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:[quote=Thomas Orca]
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events?
Quote:Heck, we should probably warn the Goons their Burn Jita campaign is cyber bullying.
Isn't that what Burn Jita is all about? Cyberbullying CCP I should add... |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
421
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:49:00 -
[5395] - Quote
Teiret wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:[quote=Thomas Orca]
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events? Quote:Heck, we should probably warn the Goons their Burn Jita campaign is cyber bullying. Isn't that what Burn Jita is all about? Cyberbullying CCP I should add...
dunno, CCP doesnt think so lol
All I was pointing out was that the "Mittani isnt at fault cause the Goons had free will and didnt have to choose to do what he said" argument was wrong lol
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:52:00 -
[5396] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events? Makes me think of Charles Manson though in a much muuuuuuch much much much less dire and important situation
If it takes 1 sentence to convince you of anything, your brain must not be functioning.
Manson used sex and drugs to control the members of his "family", hardly the same as some drunken douche bag going "lol dis guise name is da WIS, find him." |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
422
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:55:00 -
[5397] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events? Makes me think of Charles Manson though in a much muuuuuuch much much much less dire and important situation If it takes 1 sentence to convince you of anything, your brain must not be functioning. Manson used sex and drugs to control the members of his "family", hardly the same as some drunken douche bag going "lol dis guise name is da WIS, find him."
The real question is how many mails etc did he get? Cause if it was none, yes, youre right, otherwise....
as for
Quote:If it takes 1 sentence to convince you of anything, your brain must not be functioning.
We ARE talking about Goons j/k lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:01:00 -
[5398] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
The real question is how many mails etc did he get? Cause if it was none, yes, youre right, otherwise....
The answer to that question is both he and Mittens got far more attention than should have been given due to the ridiculous proportion this was blown to. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
422
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:05:00 -
[5399] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:
The real question is how many mails etc did he get? Cause if it was none, yes, youre right, otherwise....
The answer to that question is both he and Mittens got far more attention than should have been given due to the ridiculous proportion this was blown to.
also true lol
But also, as far as the free will thing goes (I just thought of it) theyre role playing right? And if he's their leader, and he's roleplaying as their leader giving orders (the RP excuse Ive heard a lot lately and for the first time since I started playing the game actually) that kinda gets rid of the free will thing too. Your a soldier following your leader's orders
(Yes I get thats a stupid argument but RP is a stupid excuse here too) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:26:00 -
[5400] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
also true lol
But also, as far as the free will thing goes (I just thought of it) theyre role playing right? And if he's their leader, and he's roleplaying as their leader giving orders (the RP excuse Ive heard a lot lately and for the first time since I started playing the game actually) that kinda gets rid of the free will thing too. Your a soldier following your leader's orders
(Yes I get thats a stupid argument but RP is a stupid excuse here too)
You're right, that is a stupid argument. |
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