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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:13:00 -
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Xython wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control. This can not be quoted enough. No one is saying him mocking The Wis for freaking out was in the wrong. Him hinting at further, open harassment was.
Yeah the slide was fine. |
Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:13:00 -
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Sorry Mittani, but as Chair CSM this is too much. As head of Goonswarm I don't give a crap what you do, but when you represent the player base like this, it's time for you to move on.
Having yourself voted as chair because you have the largest alliance in the game shouldn't be considered any type of acheivement and maybe if your being Alex Gianturco for once, you should think about whether you are the right person to lead the CSM, when you are essentially elected via brute force...... |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:14:00 -
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Princess Nana wrote:CSM Chairman has exposed himself as unfit for position. A verified cyber bully has no place emboldening it upon themselves, elected or otherwise to claim that they represent the best interests of the eve online community.
I hope we reach the point where "Cyber Bully" becomes one of those terms we are embarrassed about in a couple of years. |
Havecandy Getinvan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:14:00 -
[1084] - Quote
Also, CCP reviewed all of these slides prior to presentation. |
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:15:00 -
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Voith wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year. You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately. You suck at history. People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life. ****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons. Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received. Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.
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haysis
Unforgotten. SoulWing Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:16:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:haysis wrote:Touche sir, touche Really though, there's not much here for anyone media-wise to run with. Mainstream media isn't going to give a toss since The Wis is an adult, and a story about an adult being bullied wouldn't go beyond the comedy phases. Gaming media COULD be more specific I guess, but The Wis' overall indifference to the whole thing (and Mittens' apology both to him and in public) makes it dead before it got started, since once The Wis is gone, you've really got nothing beyond either blurfing about how Eve is a mean game (in other news, the sky is blue) or trying to take the words of players with agendas as transparent as can be (in other words, Eve political stuff). The only thing major that CCP is going to change about this will be a lot of procedural stuff for the next fanfests (more in-depth presentation vetting, reserving the right to not let someone present if they're too drunk/high/whatever). If Mittens leaves either the CSM or just the Chair, it'll be his own doing and nobody else's.
I agree with you, I mean I think this whole thing is wayyy over the top my self. And everyone knows the media will turn a stream into a flood at the drop of the hat.
I was just saying, I don't think Eve needs more bad PR then it already has. I guess, what I'm trying to say is. Better safe then sorry? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1276
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:16:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Princess Nana wrote:CSM Chairman has exposed himself as unfit for position. A verified cyber bully has no place emboldening it upon themselves, elected or otherwise to claim that they represent the best interests of the eve online community.
I hope we reach the point where "Cyber Bully" becomes one of those terms we are embarrassed about in a couple of years.
It already is when used describing events concerning an adult with no verifiable mental or emotional issues.
It just takes a while for some people to realize it. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:16:00 -
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Well gents, it was nice arguing with you all.
*Plays as the Ti -err- Forumnaught goes down.*
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:16:00 -
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Pedro Chang wrote:Voith wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year. You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately. You suck at history. People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life. ****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons. Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received. Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.
No he didn't tbh, this was done at the Alliance panel while holding the banner of a WIZARD. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:17:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote: You do realize he's just resigning the chair right?
And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members?
Interesting, and how would the rest of the CSM determine that if some wanted him to resign the chair and some did not? A vote of 'No Confidence'? A recall election?
If he does resign the Chair (which I don't think he should do) then what will that do to stem the calls for his head? Those with an agenda or an axe to grind will not be satisfied with that, they will just start calling for his permabanning, or claim that he is just passing the Chair to an ally or something. Then after that it will be calling for the dissolution and banning of the Goons, or something like that.
That is the problem with mobs, they are never satisfied.
I think it should be CCPs call, myself, and that they should look at this in its entirety and have a dialogue with both Mittani and The Wis, and go from there. |
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:17:00 -
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Havecandy Getinvan wrote:Also, CCP reviewed all of these slides prior to presentation.
Can anyone confirm this? I had thought it was supposed to be unfiltered. If this is true, this entire PR fiasco was CCP's fault for allowing that to go through, not Mittani's. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
400
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:17:00 -
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Disambiguation;
It matters legally in the sense that the charges are harsher if there is intent, but no the lack of intent does not make it legal either. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:18:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote: Show me that quote and Ill biomass. Otherwise HTFU and GTFO.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46031&p=1 actually, don't biomass, i don't want to be responsible for your own mental instability wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
427
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:18:00 -
[1094] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Havecandy Getinvan wrote:Also, CCP reviewed all of these slides prior to presentation. Can anyone confirm this? I had thought it was supposed to be unfiltered. If this is true, this entire PR fiasco was CCP's fault for allowing that to go through, not Mittani's.
Pretty sure this was already confirmed.
But the comment in question was an off the cuff drunken comment by Dear Leader, not part of the slides. |
Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:18:00 -
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I guess Mittani, as young and probably not very experienced man, learned an important lesson: in real life, one must be ready to take consequences for what he has done. Apology is fine (even if not sincere) but it's not enough because damage done to this community and CCP's public image is serious.
Sorry to say that, but he must resign from CSM. It's the only way to fix this crap. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:19:00 -
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Trolls Troll wrote:Sorry Mittani, but as Chair CSM this is too much. As head of Goonswarm I don't give a crap what you do, but when you represent the player base like this, it's time for you to move on.
Having yourself voted as chair because you have the largest alliance in the game shouldn't be considered any type of acheivement and maybe if your being Alex Gianturco for once, you should think about whether you are the right person to lead the CSM, when you are essentially elected via brute force......
When are you ever not elected by brute force? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
427
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:19:00 -
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Aldarica wrote:I guess Mittani, as young and probably not very experienced man, learned an important lesson: in real life, one must be ready to take consequences for what he has done. Apology is fine (even if not sincere) but it's not enough because damage done to this community and CCP's public image is serious.
Sorry to say that, but he must resign from CSM. It's the only way to fix this crap.
You're going to be very disappointed in the near future. :). |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:20:00 -
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Pedro Chang wrote:Voith wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year. You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately. You suck at history. People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life. ****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons. Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received. Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.
Actually he was doing it as the head of his alliance. The CSM panel was during another point in the day. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:20:00 -
[1099] - Quote
I tripped around page 25, anyone know if the great harlot has sung the song of the sirens yet? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
lady jailbait
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:21:00 -
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i believe my words in our public channel went a lil somethin like this when mittens came on "this guy is a grade-A douche" and "he has a very punchable face"
dude shouldnt drink, lessoned learned hard way |
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Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
62
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:22:00 -
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Anyone else would be banned.
Seriously, wtf CCP. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Shere
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:22:00 -
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Aldarica wrote:I guess Mittani, as young and probably not very experienced man, learned an important lesson: in real life, one must be ready to take consequences for what he has done. Apology is fine (even if not sincere) but it's not enough because damage done to this community and CCP's public image is serious.
Sorry to say that, but he must resign from CSM. It's the only way to fix this crap.
Hi, where is this purported damage located? Can you point it out to me? Don't link a bunch of half-baked articles on mediocre gaming e-zines, either.
Also explain to me how his resignation does anything to repair this or do anything except further the goals of goon-haters who are seething mad that he got chairman again.
You people are so dense. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
212
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:22:00 -
[1103] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control. This can not be quoted enough.
I agree. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Bane Necran
160
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:22:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:No, he's not really a sadist now. He says so in his apology. Nevermind what he's said on forums and podcasts to the contrary in the past. That was all just roleplaying.
A likely story
But even if it's true, can we really afford to take the chance of some kind of relapse? Knowing what i do now, i wouldn't leave him alone with a kitten to find out. |
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:23:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Pedro Chang wrote:Voith wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year. You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately. You suck at history. People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life. ****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons. Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received. Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this. Actually he was doing it as the head of his alliance. The CSM panel was during another point in the day. So, just because the panel was the Alliance panel, he no longer holds the title of CSM President, ect.? Got it, forget everything I said.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
326
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:23:00 -
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This is cool, gj
Mistakes happen, and this is how they are handled.
Now we can get back to internet spaceships!
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Hotaru Yamato
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:24:00 -
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I forgive you bro. |
Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:24:00 -
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Mechael wrote:Anyone else would be banned.
Seriously, wtf CCP.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1276
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:25:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Disambiguation;
It matters legally in the sense that the charges are harsher if there is intent, but no the lack of intent does not make it legal either.
Cipher, Cyber Bullying is not a victimless crime.
The Wiz maintains that he was not bullied as a result of the Mittani's comments, nor was he aware of them until someone pointed it out to him. He could care less.
If the supposed "victim" maintains the crime did not happen in this case, there is no crime.
A case theoretically "might" have been made if someone had taken Mittani's statement at face value and harassed The Wiz to the point of emotional distress by advocating suicide to him (although what country would be able to actually act in this case is debatable).
However, that didn't happen. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:25:00 -
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Pedro Chang wrote: Some pubbie drivel
So if it's impossible to divorce alliance heads from CSM actions at what point does the entire CSM process become bunk?
*Hint: If you disallow for that it's bunk from the very start. |
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