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Macharion Thelgamor
Section 34 The Bohemians
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:05:00 -
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Respect for the apology, it appeared genuine and timely which is a good first step. If it is backed up by such an action as Goons perma-blueing the guy in question's corp the do it, it is the kind of gesture that shows you mean it, helps the guy out through what will now be an unwanted and crazy high profile time for him.
Unfortunately perception is all in these modern times and the unwanted publicity from places like massively and gamebreaker will hurt CCP after what was a very positive and enjoyable fanfest that promised much to look forward to in the coming year. They have put a lot of effort into turning things round, pulled out all the stops and put on a great show this year. It is the sad nature of controversy that none of that will be remembered by the wider MMO and gaming community, it will instead be these comments which is a real shame as in the past year you have done great work in helping both EVE online return to the roots that made it great and bringing the game positively to notice by the wider gaming community.
If you have indeed offered your resignation CCP may have no choice but to be seen to take it this year. However, in a years time when the CSM elections come around you will have done your time and by then, as is quite likely, the CSM will have lost some of the momentum gained under your chairmanship. At that point, if you are willing to stand once again, not only is there a great chance you will you get voted back in, you could equally get voted back in as chairman with a rare chance for redemption. You will be judged at that point but time is a great healer, and at the very least people will have had a year to realise what the game's been missing.
This game is all about second chances, in game we are after all immortals who can bounce back from any setback and strap ourselves right back in for more. In this case life can imitate art. It has happened many times in history, it can happen here too.
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Tish Magev
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:06:00 -
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Means nothing until you actually resign, otherwise it's nothing more than an empty statement for the simple purpose of regaining public favour.
TL;DR;
GTFO |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:06:00 -
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This serious internet spaceship profession is becoming a huge waste of important RL time. All this burned RL time around EVE like CSM, flying to Island for nerd talk, spending time for a game like a 500K-sallary-per-year manager should make us think about what we get from this: Nothing special at the end. |
OwenJ
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:06:00 -
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The Mittani wrote: I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel....If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so.
I voted for you. In my opinion, you have the guts to admit you are wrong and have offered an apology while showing a great deal of remorse. This shows you have character. Knowing this, I will not want to change my vote.
Every person in these forums would have done something as stupid sometime in their past, at another time, in another context maybe. Point to anyone who says they haven't and I'll show you a liar.
Did they have the guts like you have and really apologise for their actions while showing remorse?
It is this which proves I have voted for the right person.
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Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:06:00 -
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He made a bad joke while obviously very drunk.
CCP posted the video for the whole world to see. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:07:00 -
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Elena Melkan wrote: There is (or well, at least on that moment when the mockery happened) not a single solid proof that the player mentioned was even depressed. This is internet. You can lie, you can cheat as much as you want and never be held responsible for what you have done. To me it seemed more like attention seeking, or even a threat, so he could get away from the situation and stop losing his precious internet spaceships. Certainly it seemed like that to the people who mocked him - they didn't take him seriously, because, you know, there is always a chance that he can cheat.
I don't know of course, there is possibility that this guy really is depressed. People have killed themselves over internet stuff before. It just seems strange, that as a depressed and especially a suicidal person you go and tell about your depression to someone you don't know. Knowing some that are suffering from that illness, they usually tend to hide it from strangers because they are ashamed of themselves. Heck, telling it to your best friends or the people you trust the most can be very difficult sometimes. Of course the cases can vary, but many of the suicide threats are part of angst and attention seeking - they are not really going to do it.
The important thing is that The Mittani apologized. He made a mistake. In my eyes, the mistake he made wasn't so severe that he should be ultimately punished for that.
Actually the thing I find hard to swallow is not if the person was depressed at that time but, that he asked thousands of people to try to get someone to kill them selves. I am quite relieved to know that no one was hurt but it was a threat (joking or not) in front of thousands of people on and off stage. The apology was great but not really enough when it comes to threats in Real Life. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:07:00 -
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Those silly goonies.
So how much did The Mittani pay to fix Alexander's little goof? 200 million? 500? A billion? Maybe more? As long as that guy never gets bothered again by whatever manifestation Goonswarm takes next year, I see no reason why mittens can't keep his chairman position. He won it fair and metagame-square. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3588
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:08:00 -
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Tish Magev wrote:MY TITAN a bloo blooo blooo bloooooooooooooo
literally all I could read in your post "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
R3dSh1ft
Moon In Scorpio RED.OverLord
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:09:00 -
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Fenris Deka wrote:Yumi Sagara wrote:Once he resigns this will all be over with. I think it's good that he's willing to take that step. It shows a great deal of character. It would be extremely pathetic if he somehow managed to weasel his way out of doing, and I personally don't believe him to be that kind of person.
Hopefully he won't prove to be the person folks accuse him of being in the coming days, we can promote whoever got the second highest votes to chairman and then move on. :) So you clearly want him deposed, as I suspect everyone against Mittani in this thread want. Typical that you would voice outright what everyone here is afraid to voice. Using a drunk comment to depose a guy is the dumbest thing. It's the equivalent of a Senator losing his seat in the Senate because he stated at a party while drunk, "I think Hilary should be on her knees."
Seen this argument a lot. Would like to clarify from my perspective that its not about the "one drunken comment" so much as the man it revealed to the public due to his lack of self-control and vocalisation filter.
Its not a position from which somebody in the public limelight can recover as he no longer represents their views, so he must go. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:09:00 -
[1690] - Quote
Tish Magev wrote:Means nothing until you actually resign, otherwise it's nothing more than an empty statement for the simple purpose of regaining public favour.
TL;DR;
GTFO
hahahaha look at you |
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Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:10:00 -
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We read the tears on your forums Raiden and I bet you would just LOVE Mittens to step down.
Try harder |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1453
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:10:00 -
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You did WHAT ? O_O
*slaps him in the face*
You're DISGUSTING !! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:11:00 -
[1693] - Quote
And by try harder I mean you should probably stop posting |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
98
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:11:00 -
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Mittens, bloody hell m8, who takes a drunk person seriously?
If you had said that and the guy really did kill himself, you should feel bad. But he's alive and still sort of an ass (as portrayed in the text interview I read). So don't feel bad, kill moar miners! My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1453
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:12:00 -
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TheButcherPete wrote:Mittens, bloody hell m8, who takes a drunk person seriously?
If you had said that and the guy really did kill himself, you should feel bad. But he's alive and still sort of an ass (as portrayed in the text interview I read). So don't feel bad, kill moar miners!
Wow, you're a ****** up ******* sociopath ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
592
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:13:00 -
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I have one major questions
How does telling someone to kill themselves constitute threatening them?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/threat?s=t http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/threaten?s=t
A threat implies action on the part of the threatening person. At no point was anyone told to go out and KILL the guy, just to try and convince him to kill himself.
Its not a good thing, but its not a threat, and not something anyone would(or did) actually do. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:15:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Actually the thing I find hard to swallow is not if the person was depressed at that time but, that he asked thousands of people to try to get someone to kill them selves. I am quite relieved to know that no one was hurt but it was a threat (joking or not) in front of thousands of people on and off stage. The apology was great but not really enough when it comes to threats in Real Life.
And yet literally NOBODY listened to him, because anyone who heard the words come out of his mouth and took it seriously was already looking for something to get righteously angry about. Everyone else saw it for what it was - a joke. A joke in extremely poor taste, a joke that certainly never should have been made, but a joke nonetheless.
Anyone who actually listened to the words come out of his mouth and still believes it was a genuine, bonafide threat has suspect motives or the worst judgement known to man.
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HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:15:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:Mittens, bloody hell m8, who takes a drunk person seriously?
If you had said that and the guy really did kill himself, you should feel bad. But he's alive and still sort of an ass (as portrayed in the text interview I read). So don't feel bad, kill moar miners! Wow, you're a ****** up ******* sociopath ! the typical responce from a butthurt carebear
Psst guys, totaly dont gank this guy.... He might go and commit suicide....
Dont want another threadnaught on ur hands |
Cosmos Serendipity
BRAHMA CORP
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:15:00 -
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This is like an AA moment, the first step is to realize you have a problem. I was actually quite suprised to see an appology. Hopefully it isn't just a space politician appology, but lets face it, this isn't the first time something like this has happened though. I seem to remember something about making fun of a players rl death. I don't really remember the details of how that came about though since I was just starting to look at the null sec alliances at the time, that turned me off of goons from the start.
I do see this as a good first step in any case and hope that it is the beggining of a new Mittens/ Goon era. |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:16:00 -
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Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3588
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:18:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious.
ahahaha you think a perma-ban is even on the table "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:19:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious. Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this... I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe... Gtfo |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:21:00 -
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HazardsSoul wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious. Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this... I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe... Gtfo
That justifies does it no
The fact you all seem to fail to recognise the life/death signifacance of this and carry on blabering your ingam meme's is sad really imo
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:21:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Actually the thing I find hard to swallow is not if the person was depressed at that time but, that he asked thousands of people to try to get someone to kill them selves. I am quite relieved to know that no one was hurt but it was a threat (joking or not) in front of thousands of people on and off stage. The apology was great but not really enough when it comes to threats in Real Life. It is definitely hard, if you make it bigger thing than it is.
In real life politics, politicians have been joking about much worse things and got away with it. In REAL LIFE. This is a (serious internet) game.
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:21:00 -
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R3dSh1ft wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Yumi Sagara wrote:Once he resigns this will all be over with. I think it's good that he's willing to take that step. It shows a great deal of character. It would be extremely pathetic if he somehow managed to weasel his way out of doing, and I personally don't believe him to be that kind of person.
Hopefully he won't prove to be the person folks accuse him of being in the coming days, we can promote whoever got the second highest votes to chairman and then move on. :) So you clearly want him deposed, as I suspect everyone against Mittani in this thread want. Typical that you would voice outright what everyone here is afraid to voice. Using a drunk comment to depose a guy is the dumbest thing. It's the equivalent of a Senator losing his seat in the Senate because he stated at a party while drunk, "I think Hilary should be on her knees." Seen this argument a lot. Would like to clarify from my perspective that its not about the "one drunken comment" so much as the man it revealed to the public due to his lack of self-control and vocalisation filter. Its not a position from which somebody in the public limelight can recover as he no longer represents their views, so he must go.
I can see your point, but conversely he does in fact represent the base feelings of almost every person, just they don't want to reveal that to the world. Look, we all say what we say when we're drunk, I once told the group of guys I was getting drunk with that we should play in the street, and play dodgeball with the cars. I was beyond drunk, so drunk i never remembered it until my brother brought it up randomly one day, I seriously thought he smoked one too many bowls when he said it to me.
On a serious note, no one has ever been deposed of any position because they said something stupid, not even in the game. There are some hateful things said in game and on these forums, and the most those offenders get is a slap on the wrist and their post deleted. This goes for CSM members as well as alliance leaders and so forth.
Last I knew, alliance leaders, and corp leaders, are public figures yet we don't hold them to the mythical pedestal that we are now saying we hold Mittani to. If you are going to set a precedence, then hold it true to every single member of the forum, every single account holder in game no matter the position they hold, and make sure that the punishment they receive is on par with whatever MIttani gets, because otherwise would be hypocrisy on a massive scale.
Seriously, this is no worse than what happens in the crime and punishment forum, there is ever way worse crap posted in there than what Mittani stated at the Panel. |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:22:00 -
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so suddenly suffering from depression having just screwed your rl up is grounds for demanding to be given immunity ingame from being shot or trolled - wow, just wow, wtf has this game come to and when did we get taken over by the high sec carebears |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:22:00 -
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Goons, please stop defending the Mittani. His apology is a step in the right direction. If he resigns, then he's truly proving that he's a man and will have my respect. Maybe he can stand for CSM next year. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:22:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:HazardsSoul wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious. Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this... I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe... Gtfo That justifies does it no The fact you all seem to fail to recognise the life/death signifacance of this and carry on blabering your ingam meme's is sad really imo
lolololol. no |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:23:00 -
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Master Andrew wrote:so suddenly suffering from depression having just screwed your rl up is grounds for demanding to be given immunity ingame from being shot or trolled - wow, just wow, wtf has this game come to and when did we get taken over by the high sec carebears
WTF has this game come to when driving people to kill themselves is obviously accepted and ecouraged by the company that run it
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:23:00 -
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HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:HazardsSoul wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious. Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this... I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe... Gtfo That justifies does it no The fact you all seem to fail to recognise the life/death signifacance of this and carry on blabering your ingam meme's is sad really imo lolololol. no
Ingame meme's FTW
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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