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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
606
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:21:00 -
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stavi shaushu wrote:CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player. No, its a choice between CCPs reputation(which already shows a game like eve, and being famous for letting players hurt each other) and 8000+ players. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
606
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:22:00 -
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THIS!!!
Making him sing for his ransom is totally in keeping with EVE, and would make some of the best viewing in a long time! Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:22:00 -
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The Mittani's apology wrote: When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
The 'Deal with it' quote came at 16:01 on the 25th of March.
Two hours later, at 18:07, The Mittani seemed to have a pretty reasonable recall of the details of the event and had this to say:
The Mittani wrote: Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for.
Link
I'm struggling a bit with this. Is it really credible to suppose that the comments on the 25th are not actually representative of The Mittani's personal views on his actions (views which chime with those of most Goons still posting on this matter) and that he really didn't get reminded of what he said until two days later, at which point he was immediately filled with remorse? Or is it more plausible that the apology was completely empty and simply a calculated move to cool fires and minimise criticisms, spurred only by the degree of flak he was getting?
I toyed with making a new thread out of this but thought it would be better to just let it get buried in the current threadnaught, since it doesn't matter much either way. I would, however, be interested in whether any Goons think he was actually sincere. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
606
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:22:00 -
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snipe
Edit: Missed Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:23:00 -
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Drew Solaert wrote:An apology is good but it's not enough. Agreed. The line was crossed. The Chairman demonstrated he is not fit for post. One who acts on camera like a pompous, drunk, sneering court jester is not what the community needs from the figurehead that represents the interests of the playerbase. We have been badly let down and CCP must act. |
Cosmos Serendipity
BRAHMA CORP
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:24:00 -
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The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:25:00 -
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Princess Nana wrote:Drew Solaert wrote:An apology is good but it's not enough. Agreed. The line was crossed. The Chairman demonstrated he is not fit for post. One who acts on camera like a pompous, drunk, sneering court jester is not what the community needs from the figurehead that represents the interests of the playerbase. We have been badly let down and CCP must act.
If your post was a sentinent being it would take its own life. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:25:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
Indeed I'll be fully investigating claims that this is not the first time CCP have been complicite in driving someone to taking there life
I'm a psychic. I see your future will include locator agents, ganking, frustration, tears and being trolled.
'I thrive of danger' as the lryics to one of my favourite songs go
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:25:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Taron Nait wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote:Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA. ITT people who think the EULA should apply to real life. Actually being that quiet often EULA's are non legal documents as some sections of them are generally void in different parts of the world saying it breaks the rules is kind of silly. Especially as it occurred outside of the game. This is more about the black eye CCP has now gotten and what their response needs to be to prevent opening them selves to law suits down the track.
This is a valid thing, though I'm pretty sure CCP is pretty experienced with dealing with legal issues related to griefing. However that's pretty much for CCP's lawyers to figure out. It'll really suck if CCP has to disenfranchise 10000 subs to protect themselves, and if the game goes to **** because Mitanni isn't in the CSM then they'll lose subs there, but whatcha gonna do?
But uh, that's not something that any of the internet "experts" in this forum are really qualified to talk about, and the outcry from a select group of people seem to be around the fact that Mitanni is ~morally obligated~ to resign from a serious internet spaceships council because of behaving very inappropriately once, regardless of how honest his apology is. |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:26:00 -
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Vila eNorvic wrote:Elena Melkan wrote:In real life politics, politicians have been joking about much worse things and got away with it. In REAL LIFE. This is a (serious internet) game.
He didn't do it in game. He did on a live video stream. Get it? A LIVE video stream. In other words, REAL LIFE.
srry did what -- encouraged some people to gank him in game until he metaphorically 'kills himself' -- i mean lol
you seem to confused about the distinction between rl and the game - open your window and look outside - thats rl -
also - the number of people who send tear mails stating that their rl sucks when they get ganked is redicoulously high - if we decided to make a 'no gank list ' - we would end up with no one to shoot lol
stop cyber bullying the mittani - he might kill himself |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
433
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:26:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:If he was not logged in he could not violate the EULA....
Did he say it in game, or in person?
If talking smack like that(tasteless smack, but that still all it is) were something that a EULA could cover, then the microsoft eula would allow them to sue you for saying the Steve Ballmer is an a-hole(he is, just FYI, been saying it for years, and publicly, still no lawsuit).
Thing is, the language he used and attitudes he displayed are fairly common slang in eve-o, so RL rules on whats acceptable don't apply.(did you know that the word **** is an immediate ban in WOW... Unless you are talking about an in-game situation?)
This leaves the situation in a grey area. His behavior was acceptable as a internet spaceship pilot, its part of the game, but he displayed the behavior in real life... While at an event where everyone is basically 'in character' because its a bunch of internet spaceship nerds talking about internet spaceships. This leads to a situation where people who are simply watching have multiple, conflicting, behavioral cues to try to read and interpret, which means that something that was meant in the same way it is said hundreds of times on these forums, and thousands in-game, can be interpreted in a real-world context, leading to people thinking truly horrible things about someone who screwed up because he was drunk.
Lets repeat that. He was drunk, and he screwed up. The normal response in society for someone who screwed up because they were drunk the first time is to make them fix it if they show remorse, or punish them in a mild fashion to try to teach them remorse.
Of course, the normal response in eve if someone screws up because they were drunk is to tell them to take another shot.
Matters not that he was at the Panel as Alliance Leader and not 'as' the Chair. The point is he IS the Chair NO MATTER WHAT extraneous situations he finds himself in.
The President does not stop being President when he becomes "average Joe Golf Player' on the weekend. The 'Hat' does not go away just because the President is having a beer with the United Steel Workers....that does not in any way give him permission to make sexist jokes among them, as they will do.
...and at this point CCP and Sony will not tolerate even the CHANCE of something even remoteluy similar happening again. I bet New Rules are coming down, and the game we knew is having it's last few weeks.
As the Goon Mantra above says : "Our goal is not to destroy the game. At the end of the day, our goal is to destroy your game."
Sir mittani, you have succeeded beyond your wildest expectations I'm afraid.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:26:00 -
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ExhumeToConsume wrote:Princess Nana wrote:Drew Solaert wrote:An apology is good but it's not enough. Agreed. The line was crossed. The Chairman demonstrated he is not fit for post. One who acts on camera like a pompous, drunk, sneering court jester is not what the community needs from the figurehead that represents the interests of the playerbase. We have been badly let down and CCP must act. If your post was a sentinent being it would take its own life. Deal with it~ |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:26:00 -
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look at everyone trying so hard |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:27:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Taron Nait wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote:Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA. ITT people who think the EULA should apply to real life. Actually being that quiet often EULA's are non legal documents as some sections of them are generally void in different parts of the world saying it breaks the rules is kind of silly. Especially as it occurred outside of the game. This is more about the black eye CCP has now gotten and what their response needs to be to prevent opening them selves to law suits down the track.
I think that we should wait for CCP opinion Im not the expert. I think Mittani is doing great job for this game many ppl (me included) love fly in CFC its fun etc. But saying and laughing about poor guy in public, acting like a rock star or/and jerk... well.. its not cool .. Imagine that you are at this guy place, you are watching fan fest stream and boom ! Its not "nice"..
And believe me im not carebear etc. "polite" guy in the game..
thats all |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
610
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:28:00 -
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Cosmos Serendipity wrote:The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:28:00 -
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CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:29:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves Or that they dont give a **** like the rest of the eve community |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:30:00 -
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Hold up, his wife got cancer aswell? Thats way too sad to be true.
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Darius Shakor
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:30:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Personally I would still rather you stepped down as an apology can be faked or at least taken as being a simple token to avoid consequences for your actions.
Reading this, I will simply chose to take you at your word of genuine remorse over this but cannot bring myself to muster any respect for you still, because of so much more I have seen from you anyway which dulls my impression of you.
You say you are not like this in your real life and that has never really cut it for me as you have the capability to do what you do over the internet and clearly it bleeds into the real world. That alone make me think people like you in game have an attitude out of game that lends themselves to such behaviour. And it is easy on the internet, where you have the most effective mask, to let yourself be an ass. But for myself an the majority of the player base we only see your internet personality and social interaction over the net is just as valid a measure of your character as a person as real life interactions are. So expect people with no idea of your real life to chose to find it hard to measure your 'true' self.
I don't see myself buying you any beers if we ever have the luxury of sharing the same air. But you have at least taken the step to apologise so you get some small token credit for that in my impressions of you. Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:30:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves
The last thing CCP or anyone should ever do is take advice from you on how to conduct themselves. |
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:30:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: Hahaha of course that is the intent! Why would ANYONE want a morally deprived man who has singlehandedly brought multiple negative publicity on EVE Online in a single day, as CSM Chair, or let alone, allow him to seat in the CSM?
I have nothing against Goons. Prior to his unexplainable moral depravity, I respected Mittani the Great. He is one of the most articulate and crowd puller CCP can ever hope for. If he didn't commit this "scandal," I would've still respected him.
I am not fueled by my own "political agenda." I do this because I love EVE Online.
MULTIPLE NEGATIVE PUBLICITY |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:31:00 -
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Solid Raiden wrote:Real balls? It takes 5 minutes writing some meaningless words on a paper. Nothing more. Apologizing is just another way of manipulating people. So after this, this and this, all of the sudden he is sorry and we should just accept it? Words are meaningless unless followed by actions.
I was raised that an appology takes more strength than saying nothing. However I was also raised that an appology should be just "I am sorry for ....." too many words or the word "but" and it becomes an excuse. Different people are raised diferently and even as cycnical as I am I would not be so quick to discount one.
You are however contradicting yourself. If as you say "words are meaningless unless followed by actions" then the words that started this off are also meaningles unless he did hat he said others should do. It is a logical follow through from what you have said. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:31:00 -
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Ban all npc characters from posting in the forums and revert all their posts to the main account and you will see most people actually taking a hard stance on this are people who were very opposed to mittens getting eleted or people most hurt by the titan nerf |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:31:00 -
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stavi shaushu wrote:CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player.
What it hs done for the reputation of Eve is irrelevant. The only thing that matters in this case is the rules and any other things he has agreed to as a CSM and as a speaker at the event. Those are what CCP should look at when looking into this. If he broke the rules then he gets the appropriate sanction, if he did not then he does not get punished pure and simple.
I found what he did abhorant, by the way and as I am new I was not one of the people rushing to his defence. I said basically the same in the other thread.
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Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:31:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves
you have a lot of opinions - most of them are wrong - that must be painful to live with everyday |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:32:00 -
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I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
610
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:33:00 -
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Memrox wrote:Hold up, his wife got cancer aswell? Thats way too sad to be true.
Yup, if I remember correctly(was pretty drunk myself when I watched it, and am at work can't find the reference) his email said she had cancer, was blind, and had just left him.
As you said, too sad to be true. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:33:00 -
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Master Andrew wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves you have a lot of opinions - most of them are wrong - that must be painful to live with everyday
also i keep forgetting ( but it seems so cruel) learn to spell - your a disgrace to the eve community |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:33:00 -
[1829] - Quote
Memrox wrote:Hold up, his wife got cancer aswell? Thats way too sad to be true.
Probably because it isn't true. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:34:00 -
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Master Andrew wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves you have a lot of opinions - most of them are wrong - that must be painful to live with everyday
Perhaps I'm just masochistic like that
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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