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Memrox
Memrox Corp
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:34:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Memrox wrote:Hold up, his wife got cancer aswell? Thats way too sad to be true.
Yup, if I remember correctly(was pretty drunk myself when I watched it, and am at work can't find the reference) his email said she had cancer, was blind, and had just left him. As you said, too sad to be true.
Yeh im calling bullshit on this one, thats just waaay too much sadness. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:34:00 -
[1832] - Quote
If people want mittens to sing an apology on fireside mumble, I'm all for it! :V: |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
432
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:34:00 -
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Darius Shakor wrote:[ Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life.
If he does not step down voluntarily, Sony, through CCP, WILL make sure it happens.
These people seem to not understand that at this point for CCP this is an INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, FIRST....a game, second.
Sony does not think its bank account or reputation is funny at all, or this situation. I promise that is for realz and true. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:35:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Cosmos Serendipity wrote:The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?)
Yet 13 year olds can sign the eula, and are still not of full majority
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
295
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:36:00 -
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Princess Nana wrote:Drew Solaert wrote:An apology is good but it's not enough. Agreed. The line was crossed. The Chairman demonstrated he is not fit for post. One who acts on camera like a pompous, drunk, sneering court jester is not what the community needs from the figurehead that represents the interests of the playerbase. We have been badly let down and CCP must act. You had your chances to elect someone else but since you din't take that chance you are now jumping in on this to try to force him out of his elected chair?
This thread alone represent more abuse than Mittens stupid on the spur of the moment remark in the Q&A at fanfest.
You may not like him but he has 10k voters that count on him in the CSM.
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:36:00 -
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Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs.
It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:36:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Cosmos Serendipity wrote:The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?) Yet 13 year olds can sign the eula, and are still not of full majority
Most Eula-¦s are not legal anyway...so screw them |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
679
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:37:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darius Shakor wrote:[ Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life. If he does not step down voluntarily, Sony, through CCP, WILL make sure it happens. These people seem to not understand that at this point for CCP this is an INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, FIRST....a game, second. Sony does not think its bank account or reputation is funny at all, or this situation. I promise that is for realz and true.
When I grow up can I be as stupid as you? |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:37:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas.
I'm of a diffent mind as the authrity here CCP refuse to act upon threat to life, then they should be judged by there peers
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:38:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:You had your chances to elect someone else but since you din't take that chance you are now jumping in on this to try to force him out of his elected chair?
THIS.....is the dumbest response here. PERIOD. They VOTED for someone else....................good God, alcohol really does destroy the mind. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:38:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darius Shakor wrote:[ Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life. If he does not step down voluntarily, Sony, through CCP, WILL make sure it happens. These people seem to not understand that at this point for CCP this is an INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, FIRST....a game, second. Sony does not think its bank account or reputation is funny at all, or this situation. I promise that is for realz and true. When I grow up can I be as stupid as you?
Seems you'll likel;y be stupider gratz
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:39:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote: When I grow up can I be as stupid as you?
HE ADMITS IT !!!
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
610
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:40:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Cosmos Serendipity wrote:The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?) Yet 13 year olds can sign the eula, and are still not of full majority At least in the US, no document signed by anyone under 18 is legally binding, because minors are legally defined as mentally incompetent. Sorry! Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:41:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas.
The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game.
The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:41:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Cosmos Serendipity wrote:The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?) Yet 13 year olds can sign the eula, and are still not of full majority At least in the US, no document signed by anyone under 18 is legally binding, because minors are legally defined as mentally incompetent. Sorry!
Diffrent in the UK and no need to apologise for you ignorance, learning is good fun
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
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Darius Shakor wrote:The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Personally I would still rather you stepped down as an apology can be faked or at least taken as being a simple token to avoid consequences for your actions. Reading this, I will simply chose to take you at your word of genuine remorse over this but cannot bring myself to muster any respect for you still, because of so much more I have seen from you anyway which dulls my impression of you. You say you are not like this in your real life and that has never really cut it for me as you have the capability to do what you do over the internet and clearly it bleeds into the real world. That alone make me think people like you in game have an attitude out of game that lends themselves to such behaviour. And it is easy on the internet, where you have the most effective mask, to let yourself be an ass. But for myself an the majority of the player base we only see your internet personality and social interaction over the net is just as valid a measure of your character as a person as real life interactions are. So expect people with no idea of your real life to chose to find it hard to measure your 'true' self. I don't see myself buying you any beers if we ever have the luxury of sharing the same air. But you have at least taken the step to apologise so you get some small token credit for that in my impressions of you. Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life.
The **** do you care, mongoloid? He didn't insult your ******* ancestors. You dont care in the slightest about the person who was actually wronged. Worthless, self-entitled fucks like you coming in here and acting like he owes you something.
Go mine your Veldspar. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
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Also can we just make this clear: Sony isn't going to do ****. This isn't even a blip in the radar for anyone other than forum posters. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
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Daviclond wrote: The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game.
The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
goon drivel OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
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(your titans are still getting nerfed) |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
295
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lexmana wrote:You had your chances to elect someone else but since you din't take that chance you are now jumping in on this to try to force him out of his elected chair?
THIS.....is the dumbest response here. PERIOD. They VOTED for someone else....................good God, alcohol really does destroy the mind. How do you know what 'they' voted for? I guess you didn't vote for Mittens ... maybe you didn't even vote at all. |
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:43:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Daviclond wrote: The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game.
The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
goon drivel
Do you have anything constructive to add? Mods? |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:43:00 -
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Daviclond wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game. The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
I can hear you crying *please God* while posting that particular nugget of wisdom
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:43:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. I'm of a diffent mind as the authrity here CCP refuse to act upon threat to life, then they should be judged by there peers
I have no problem with CCP getting a public kicking over this, although I don't particularly desire it. However, whilst I think that what The Mittani did was a very unfortunate thing to do in the context of a social game, and whilst I think there should be consequences for it within the game to discourage such behaviour, I don't think it is a sufficiently bad thing to warrant the god-awful intrusion into his real life that will follow if the regular media get hold of the story. Alex is a person too (a nasty, unpleasant person who takes pleasure in causing others suffering - sure) and I just don't see his getting RL grief for this to be a positive outcome.
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:43:00 -
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Well I'm in two minds about this. It's good that Mittani apologised, although it's debatable whether it was genuine or forced, considering his belligerence before the SHTF on all major gaming websites. Around 90% of posts on MMO forums I've looked at have been negative and EVE has earnt itself pariah status, and not in a good way. At this point, I'm not comfortable logging in. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:
When I grow up can I be as stupid as you?
Seems you'll likel;y be stupider gratz
Hardly possible ...
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
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This is all so ridiculous. If this guy has problems in his life....his problem If he needs to run 22 Eve accounts and wondes that his wife leaves him...his problem If he links pictures of her in his Bio this is just VERY strange...VERY CREAPY...his Bio reads like....the worst piece of social pornography ever...# ever.
Ban this guy! |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
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stavi shaushu wrote:CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player.
Not a single eve player, a single eve player and several CCP employees. A player acting like a jerk is not their fault, but they are responsible for creating an environment where that is acceptable, for not stopping it when it was happening, and for broadcasting the bad behaviour to the public.
- There was a CCP moderator there who said nothing, even after Alex revealed "the Wis" character name. If the moderator isn't going to moderate rules violations and/or cyber bullying, what is the point of having him there? Was the moderator intimidated by the skinny drunkard?
- CCP employees also got to preview the slides, and apparently had no objections. They did not know in advance that Alex would get carried away in the moment and suggest other players should use locator agents to find the Wis and blow him up, but they did know about the "suicidal" evemail and the general tone of the presentation.
- There were the CCP staff running the stream. They could have bleeped out the name, but didn't. Even when rerun, the name is clearly audible. Without the recording and broadcast, how many people physically in the audience would have remembered the name?
If rules were broken, CCP staffers were accomplices. If heads will roll, several of those heads should be CCP employees. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
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Jonathan Malcom wrote:The **** do you care, mongoloid? He didn't insult your ******* ancestors. You dont care in the slightest about the person who was actually wronged. Worthless, self-entitled fucks like you coming in here and acting like he owes you something.
Go mine your Veldspar.
shadow goon drivel OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Uncle Jon
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
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Enemies of Goons and their Empire alts are so mad. Post with your mains, you bunch of cowards. Unless you're afraid that we'll make fun of you in local and quote your pubbie tears in local next time we destroy your fleet, of course. By which, you should have a backbone and do it anyways. I would. vOv |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
49
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani's apology wrote: When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
The 'Deal with it' quote came at 16:01 on the 25th of March.Two hours later, at 18:07, The Mittani seemed to have a pretty reasonable recall of the details of the event and had this to say: The Mittani wrote: Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for.
LinkI'm struggling a bit with this. Is it really credible to suppose that the comments on the 25th are not actually representative of The Mittani's personal views on his actions (views which chime with those of most Goons still posting on this matter) and that he really didn't get reminded of what he said until two days later, at which point he was immediately filled with remorse? Or is it more plausible that the apology was completely empty and simply a calculated move to cool fires and minimise criticisms, spurred only by the degree of flak he was getting? I toyed with making a new thread out of this but thought it would be better to just let it get buried in the current threadnaught, since it doesn't matter much either way. I would, however, be interested in whether any Goons think he was actually sincere.
Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding. Are goons till posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him. It was either wrong, or it wasnt. If it wasnt, and he beleives that, then he should retract his apology. If it was, then why the hell is he letting goons continue to post and defend him and his actions, particulalrly on the grounds they are using, which run counter to his position as stated in his apology.They all see it as a non incident, or rather that the guy doesnt have the reight to play in the first place and shouldnt be playing if he is so thin skinned.
Really, their behaviour is no different that it normally is, they deball and depants whoever they can, including those who are indignant. somewhere though, in the back of their minds it may begin to start to daewn on a few of them that the mainstream media is picking up this story, it'sd all over the gaming community, and they may begin to realize that reasonable objective people with no ax to grind can look at this from the outside and see how completely A to Z ****** this whole thing is. If the Mittani was wrong, then now they are all wrong.
The soulless sell their souls for a game. I should be shocked, but I guess they werent using them anyway. |
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