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Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
511
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
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Daviclond wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game. The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
Nope. Mittani the Great is going to be dismissed and hopefully, he will be never eligible to run as CSM ever again.
We are not asking Mittani the Great to resign out of political gain. We do this because we love and care about EVE Online. Once Mittani the Great spitted out his nonsensical rambling during the Fanfest, he let all us know that he has no respect for the game or for anyone else, but himself. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. I'm of a diffent mind as the authrity here CCP refuse to act upon threat to life, then they should be judged by there peers I have no problem with CCP getting a public kicking over this, although I don't particularly desire it. However, whilst I think that what The Mittani did was a very unfortunate thing to do in the context of a social game, and whilst I think there should be consequences for it within the game to discourage such behaviour, I don't think it is a sufficiently bad thing to warrant the god-awful intrusion into his real life that will follow if the regular media get hold of the story. Alex is a person too (a nasty, unpleasant person who takes pleasure in causing others suffering - sure) and I just don't see his getting RL grief for this to be a positive outcome.
He pursued 'Fame' ingame it might spill into the Real world, nothing anyone can do relly now
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. I'm of a diffent mind as the authrity here CCP refuse to act upon threat to life, then they should be judged by there peers I swear your grammar gets worse by the minute and less understandable.... Do us all a favor a kill yourself |
Le Cardinal
Spricer Raiden.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:45:00 -
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As far as me concerned that looks like a decent enough apology. He probably should step down as chairman for the sake of the community and not to silence the drivel from vultures. Wether he remains a CMS or not i dont really care about.
If its a troll, its a good one. Personally i dont think it is. |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:45:00 -
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Right if Mittens steps down, vote for me and I will take over.
Some benefits of my control, sorry I mean leadership.
Key Factors of my administration are as follows;
All bullying will be removed from the game, IRL aswell and a new EULA will be drafted for this. For carebears, Wars will be removed and High-Sec will be extended to Low-Sec with a new name, Care-Sec. Goons will be removed, and all of their stuff I will has. This is all, please vote for me.
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:45:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:
I can hear you crying *please God* while posting that particular nugget of wisdom
Okay, how about we wait a week and continue this discussion? The story will have whimpered out, Mittani will still be on the CSM and I'll be smug as hell. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
436
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:45:00 -
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Anela Cistine wrote:
- There was a CCP moderator there who said nothing, even after Alex revealed "the Wis" character name. If the moderator isn't going to moderate rules violations and/or cyber bullying, what is the point of having him there? Was the moderator intimidated by the skinny drunkard?
- CCP employees also got to preview the slides, and apparently had no objections. They did not know in advance that Alex would get carried away in the moment and suggest other players should use locator agents to find the Wis and blow him up, but they did know about the "suicidal" evemail and the general tone of the presentation.
- There were the CCP staff running the stream. They could have bleeped out the name, but didn't. Even when rerun, the name is clearly audible. Without the recording and broadcast, how many people physically in the audience would have remembered the name?
If rules were broken, CCP staffers were accomplices. If heads will roll, several of those heads should be CCP employees.
goon drivel OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
102
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:46:00 -
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seriously? an apology? |
ISquishWorms
108
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:46:00 -
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This is not ok!! Something similar to this happened before on JTV.
"The teenager took an overdose of pills while on camera and was apparently encouraged to do so by commentators on Justin.tv and a bodybuilding site, according to the report" source |
Simvastatin Montelukast
Irregular Warfare Mean Coalition
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:46:00 -
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Hmm, Did you break any part of the EULA?
Seems like we need a response from CCP here. |
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VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
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Seriously, this thread is still going on? Who has even read all this crap?
Mittens made a mistake, while drunk. Apologized to the community (which wasn't needed imo but whiny cearbears gonna whine) and privately apologized to "The Mackinaw Pilot."
I have no real opinion on Goonswarm or its CEO, but I take everything that comes from them with a grain of salt. Him stepping down from the CSM would be ******** and if you unsub because he doesn't(won't) then good riddance to bad rubbish I say. One less idiot grinding incursions/missions/mining and never pvp'ing.
As a wiser man then me once said,
"deal with it~" |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
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Jonathan Malcom wrote:The **** do you care, mongoloid? He didn't insult your ******* ancestors. You dont care in the slightest about the person who was actually wronged. Worthless, self-entitled fucks like you coming in here and acting like he owes you something.
Go mine your Veldspar. You seem to be very angry over things posted in a forum, to do with internet spaceships and the CSM. You might like to have a lye down or a cup of tea. Just relax. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
436
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
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Daviclond wrote:Do you have anything constructive to add? Mods?
EXACTLY, SIR. I FEEL THE SAME WAY OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
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Daviclond wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game. The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
To twist this knife of grey further, if you really want to class cyber-bullying, then EVE online itself is a cyber-bullying game. Think about it, you find a target, blow him up, keep tabs on him and repeatedly blow him up. By 'common sense', this is merely griefing. But to the carebears here baying for Mittani's blood, it might as well be classed as cyber-bullying as well.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
427
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
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Daviclond wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
I can hear you crying *please God* while posting that particular nugget of wisdom
Okay, how about we wait a week and continue this discussion? The story will have whimpered out, Mittani will still be on the CSM and I'll be smug as hell.
Deal in 7 days then , I'll only forget though so be sure to be in touch
/edit sorry just thought on unlikely I'll be playing then if thats the case.....
But if so I'll just assume your happy and smug that people should be able to drive others to suicide over 0 an 1's on some server
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
stavi shaushu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:50:00 -
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If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:51:00 -
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stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP. Here we go again with all this legal ultimatums again -_- |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
295
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:51:00 -
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stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
And I could start legal actions against you ... but what is the point? |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:51:00 -
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Tanaka Sekigahara wrote: Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding. Are goons still posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him.
Its almost as if they're real people with their own opinions. Shocking I know. |
Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
79
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:53:00 -
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This is a terrible bad figure, but the apology is good.
The mittani is a freaking bastard, but a great CSM with a lot of charisma; it is really unfortunate that he said those things during the alliance panel since it's hit the whole EVE online gaming community.
I hope that he does not resign, but he must behave because the risk here is to delegitimate the whole CSM. |
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:54:00 -
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Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding. Are goons still posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him. It was either wrong, or it wasnt. If it wasnt, and he beleives that, then he should retract his apology. If it was, then why the hell is he letting goons continue to post and defend him and his actions, particulalrly on the grounds they are using, which run counter to his position as stated in his apology? They all see it as a non incident, or rather that the guy doesnt have the right to play in the first place and shouldnt be playing if he is so thin skinned. Really, their behavior is no different that it normally is, they deball and depants whoever they can, including those who are indignant. somewhere though, in the back of their minds it may begin to start to dawn on a few of them that the mainstream media is picking up this story, it'sd all over the gaming community, and they may begin to realize that reasonable objective people with no ax to grind can look at this from the outside and see how completely A to Z ****** this whole thing is. If the Mittani was wrong, then now they are all wrong. The soulless sell their souls for a game. I should be shocked, but I guess they weren't using them anyway.
If our Space Stalin told us to kill ourselves we would gladly take our own lives in his honoUr. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:54:00 -
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stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.
Do you EVEN know the victim? As In know him in real life?
For all we know, the sob story he sent to us may of been a lie. Maybe he is actually a 12 year old kid living in his basement who was worried that, by losing his ships constantly, he needed to think up of a daring lie. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:54:00 -
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stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.
VIctim of what? Of losing a Mackinaw?
A victim of losing a record in some database, a.k.a. "internet spaceship pixels" ? |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:54:00 -
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Lenrir Andven wrote: To twist this knife of grey further, if you really want to class cyber-bullying, then EVE online itself is a cyber-bullying game. Think about it, you find a target, blow him up, keep tabs on him and repeatedly blow him up. By 'common sense', this is merely griefing. But to the carebears here baying for Mittani's blood, it might as well be classed as cyber-bullying as well.
How the media ends up (ab)using it doesn't really depend on what it 'is', so much as on what it can be presented as. And if they do pick it up it will certainly be presented in the context of cyber-bullying as this is a term currently much beloved by the media. In the UK at least, this rubric is not restricted to stuff involving kids but the additional dimension of it happening in a 'game' is bound to reinforce the 'think of the children!' aspect of any story. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:55:00 -
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stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.
I think the plaintiff and defendant have settled out of court already, sorry |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:55:00 -
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stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.
I could start a legal action tomorrow, it means nothing. It has to make it past checks and balances before it even gets near a court. Even if it does the judge can throw it out if he or she decides it still has no merrit in law.
Starting legal actions is easy, carrying them through to the end however is not. |
Aiifa
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:55:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Ustrello wrote:notice people who are taking the hard stance on this issue are either high sec pubbies or people who are getting their pimp mobiles nerfed Notice how easily it could have swung the other way and ended witht he guy dead by his own hand because he was told by a tonne of people to do so?
There's no past propensity or trend for this to happen. The Wis hasn't ever successfully committed suicide.
But he's made mad space-cash threatening to do so. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
429
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:56:00 -
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What happens if the legal authorities are unhappy with CCP's discharge of there responsbilities in this
He may finally achieve his aim
And F up the game
TQ- closed
/edit screwing fish , while smoking hookers and eating blow just might not help this time
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Sidias
SQUINGEL Hades.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:56:00 -
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I never saw the live feed of the Alliance Panel, although I did read some of the posts and just thought it was Mittani being a general drunk on Stage that they were complaining about however after actually watching the Alliance Panel on YouTube I was utterly disgusted and quite frankly shocked that CCP allowed it to happen. The CSM is meant to be a representation of the EvE player base and I was really disappointed in what I saw in all of them let alone what Mittani done on stage. Is this now a true representation of what EvE has descended into ? Is EvE full of eilitists who troll and scam as much as they can to ruin someone else's games ?
I have been to Fanfest so i know that most of the time is spent drinking and such as I done it myself and I saw how even CCP encouraged the drinking on stage. However this was going way over the mark. You can drink and still be respectful to each other but things went way in the wrong direction. Mittani has brought some good to the game but this time I feel he has let the players, CCP and himself down. The only way I can see this being rectified is for Mittani to step down from the CSM entirely. The whole process is flawed anyway and I don't see the majority of the player base being represented by the CSM. It mainly comes down to who can acquire the most votes and as Goons are involved in the largest coalition it didn't surprise me that Mittani made chairman again. I would seriously consider my position with the coalition if the leader had done this to EvE although let's be honest the only people in the CFC coalition are people that like to be on the winning side and don't really care that Goons are the most hated alliance in the game. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
296
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:58:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:What happens if the legal authorities are unhappy with CCP's discharge of there responsbilities in this
He may finally achieve his aim
And F up the game
TQ- closed Your brain is melting. Seriously. If you continue like this for much longer you might have to biomass just to get rid of the shame. |
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