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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:39:00 -
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Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
You are the most hypocritcal person on the CSM. Bravo. Go break the NDA over this.
Anyway, so far my prediction is true... apology, but not stepping down. Well - done.
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ps3ud0nym
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
76
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:39:00 -
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Good appology. That took quite a bit of balls to make and admit when you make mistakes even more not to blame it on intoxication.
Don't resign, people do stupid **** all the time and your comments weren't such that a resignation is an appropriate response in this instance. You ate your crow and apologised, the dude involved is good with that and that should be the end of it.
However, I don't think that this should be the end of the conversation regarding how we act towards people outside of EVE. It seems that quite a few people really don't agree with your assessment of your comments and can't seem to recognize the distinction between in-game and out of it. |
Sasha Khaine
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:39:00 -
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I don't drink a lot myself and these are precisely the reasons why I don't.
I would think that being someone as large of an influence within the game, you would have behaved more maturely. Heading to CCP's event and representing not only yourself but your corp/alliance mates and the game community as a whole with your CSM position you have really let a lot of people down. I don't know if your corp mates agree or disagree with what you did (reading some posts quite a few support it regardless of your apology) but for me at least I feel a line has been crossed.
Whilst it is good of you to apologise, I feel the damage has already been done. CCP has a major game coming out soon and your actions have no doubt pissed them off something rotten. Now they have to deal with the media, possible police inquiry's and other legal bits of business because of your actions.
Don't get me wrong, I don't view you as a monster and I understand what can happen when you have had a lot to drink but I feel that you just let a lot of people down. I don't want to see you banned, I want to see you put it right and this is a step in the right direction. So I wish you the best of luck in the upcoming months because you will no doubt have to deal with a lot of regret.
- Sasha Khaine
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
76
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here?
The part where you tried to be relevant. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1097
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
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and i'm just going to leave this here...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
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Sarina Berghil
New Zion Judge Advocate
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
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Anyone can feel on top on the world while drunk, but it takes real balls to own up to it and write an apology like that. That is a commendable act
Eve is place with rough humour, rough loving and a lot of rivalries. That is how it should be. But contrary to marketing messages, Eve is not real. Eve is divided from reality by a blurry line, sometimes maybe too blurry. Internet spaceships are not real but words are, and those words can be taken too far
I hope people will use this event to consider where the blurry line goes. Because this event is merely a symptom of a culture within Eve. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6561
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan.
I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though. The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1456
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Lord Grantham wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Let's also keep in mind this isn't a young person but a grown adult in his mid 30s. This is more important than anything Mittens did.
The thing that goonswarm posters need to understand is that endlessly reposting this chatlog is really an example of the way this particular player was singled out by the Chairman of the CSM for humiliation and abuse in the medium of Fanfest alliance panel. You should really let it go.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
LtTysander
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Not empty quoting.
**** you pubbie sperg lords |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So, Mittens, did CCP directly say "apologize or lose your position" or did you figure that out all by yourself?
After all, the long delay between action and apology makes only the truly, truly stupid actually believe that you are sorry.
Or, if you aren't a shitheaded Pubbie sockpuppet, you could realize that he blacked out later in the night and didn't remember the event until he saw the video.
I know, I know, it's far more fun to picture Mittani as this nefarious cartoon villain, twirling a handlebar mustache, but it turns out that Alex is just a guy -- a really awesome, very classy, highly intelligent guy, but just a guy.
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Methusela
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
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Mittens I have no reason to like you.
That being said you were drunk. We all say stupid ****. Kid is fine.
Even he sees the funny side which I frankly find amazing.
All of you drama queens should just chill. |
Tyrone Cashmoney
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:41:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, You know what to do.
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Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
180
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
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Not seen this one quoted: The Wis
Also...
In B4 - "What you do, not what you say...", etc... |
Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
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I am no Goon fan and I don't agree with a lot of what you advocate as a member of the CSM, but I am impressed with this post. The man behind The Mittani has acquitted himself well.
You may, however want to reel in Ladie Harlo. He/She really does make you guys look like sociopaths. |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
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Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP
How's NA life these days?
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
237
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
[197] - Quote
+1
I am satisfied. Stand up move Mitts.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
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Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP
And yet, you being a dipshit remains a constant. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.
Regardless, everyone has done stupid things when alcohol is involved, you're still a good leader.. Regardless on what happens im pretty sure you will make the right decision regardless |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
76
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
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Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP
Despite your CSM tag, you're not relevant either. |
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Captain Trousers
Thunderwaffles Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
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I will be starting up a new group internal to Goonswarm to directly deal with this issue. We will be getting together for a meeting discussing this topic and whether or not it was appropriate, and then we will all commit seppuku live on webcams IRL out of shame. |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
- Step one, apologize profusely. Done!
- Step two, resign. ......
- Step three, send all my isk to the victim. ......
P.S: It is actually not necessary to resign after this sincere apology, but since you have announced it, you must do it...
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Jim Luc
Rule of Five
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
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PAGE TEN! |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
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So next time someone tells me to DIAF i can just say i'm suicidal and become spacerich? awesome. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1456
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here? The part where you tried to be relevant.
Are we on this "relevancy" thing again. Really grow up and come back when you have something constructive to say.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
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How much ISK was it? |
Liam Mirren
362
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
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Sincere tears of guilt from a goon, like anyone is going to believe that. CCP needs to deal with this decisively. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
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Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP
Look at you.
Look at how wrong you are.
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:44:00 -
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Awaiting Step 2. Else this is another meh.
Nothing clever at this time. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:44:00 -
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Twulf wrote: So Ladie Harlot, even Mittani knows he was wrong, how stupid do you look for saying he did nothing wrong over and over today. how priceless that your dear leader threw you under the bus.
I've noticed that we are already 10 pages in and no response from his girlfriend who has been defending him all day. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
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