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Ai Shun
430
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:27:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Actually drunkeness was rather expected, may that never change. He needs to learn how to handle his liquor better though.
The only real questions are:
Are Panel members at FanFest subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums? Are CSM members subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums? If so, does this apply at all times or only when acting in their official capacity as CSM members?
If the decision that they apply to anyone speaking at FanFest in person, or at all times to people on the CSM, then the normal rules should apply. Namely a ban whose length should be determined by the circumstance by CCP.
Stepping down from his position as chairman or from the CSM entirely is another matter, but I believe those decisions would be directly affected by the decisions made above... then appropriate PUN-ishments can be determined (if any).
(See, now they are going to be all confused again).
:laughs: Probably very confused. But it makes me wonder, we have a number of forum warriors pushing both sides of the equation here. I've already done what I felt was necessary in this situation. Now I'm more annoyed at the arrogance of Goonswarm and the way they are using numbers and 4chan style posting to try and drown out any criticism. I feel they have CCP by the balls and I'm interested in seeing what is going to come out of this.
So, my questions:
1) Is there anybody outraged by the actions of the Mittani who are voting with their money? 2) How would they handle the situation if they ever found themselves in his position?
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:28:00 -
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Li Ter wrote:XavierVE wrote:Sang-in Tiers wrote:Is he trolling or is he not... He had a wizard hat on while talking about "The Wiz", coincidence? His apology isn't a troll, but it's not sincere either. The initial reaction of "deal with it" was much more in line with what he'd like to say. He didn't realize how far this would blow up in terms of it being covered by mainstream gaming sites and figures this meandering apology will preserve his chairmanship and his account. Knowing how CCP loves to cover for their golden boys, he's probably right. also he knew all to well what he was doing since he created the slide of the mackinaw pilot before the alliance panel discussions ect, he knew what he was doing and he knew what he was going to say, ide still prefer if he stepped down tbh
Again, not excusing, it was still wrong; but I wish I had the crystal ball you're suggesting; I'd have avoided hitting on so many people with one! |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:29:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:esc shk wrote:i am at a loss for words Then stop posting?
Never stop posting. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:esc shk wrote:i am at a loss for words Then stop posting? Never stop posting. or emptyquoting Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
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Mana Potion
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
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I guess what bugs me is that none of these people that are complaining, have anything to do with the situation... they are just jumping up and down because they have some preconceived notion about the Mittani. None of these "I don't accept your apology" responses mean a damn thing. |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: It's rather hard to accept those consequences when they are yet to be determined don't you think?
See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.
If he doesn't have the integrity and responsibility to do so, then the CSM or CCP will have to take that decision for him. Of course that'll look much worse.
If that won't happen, the EVE community will suffer a further image damage, as it'll be seen as the community represented by someone capable to act in such an aberrant way. The EVE community is already stigmatized as an unwelcoming and ruthless one, but so far that image has been limited to the in-game aspect. Letting it publicly bleed to the out-of-game is very, very dangerous ground.
As someone that's part of the gaming press, I know quite well that there are quite a few colleagues with all sorts of articles in store. The only way for the game and the community to avoid that kind of negative press is for them to distance themselves radically from the perpetrator, if he doesn't act responsibly by distancing himself. |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Actually drunkeness was rather expected, may that never change. He needs to learn how to handle his liquor better though.
The only real questions are:
Are Panel members at FanFest subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums? Are CSM members subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums? If so, does this apply at all times or only when acting in their official capacity as CSM members?
If the decision that they apply to anyone speaking at FanFest in person, or at all times to people on the CSM, then the normal rules should apply. Namely a ban whose length should be determined by the circumstance by CCP.
Stepping down from his position as chairman or from the CSM entirely is another matter, but I believe those decisions would be directly affected by the decisions made above... then appropriate PUN-ishments can be determined (if any).
(See, now they are going to be all confused again). :laughs: Probably very confused. But it makes me wonder, we have a number of forum warriors pushing both sides of the equation here. I've already done what I felt was necessary in this situation. Now I'm more annoyed at the arrogance of Goonswarm and the way they are using numbers and 4chan style posting to try and drown out any criticism. I feel they have CCP by the balls and I'm interested in seeing what is going to come out of this. So, my questions: 1) Is there anybody outraged by the actions of the Mittani who are voting with their money? 2) How would they handle the situation if they ever found themselves in his position?
Answer 1) Yeh, they are buying more accounts to post with, and no, I am not referring to Goons, only those hiding behind new alts posting in support of the Bull Sh!t... DUH!!! Answer2) Switch to missionary, doggy style gets boring. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
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Abriael VonRosen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: It's rather hard to accept those consequences when they are yet to be determined don't you think?
See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for. If he doesn't have the integrity and responsibility to do so, then the CSM or CCP will have to take that decision for him. Of course that'll look much worse. If that won't happen, the EVE community will suffer a further image damage, as it'll be seen as the community represented by someone capable to act in such an aberrant way. The EVE community is already stigmatized as an unwelcoming and ruthless one, but so far that image has been limited to the in-game aspect. Letting it publicly bleed to the out-of-game is very, very dangerous ground. As someone that's part of the gaming press, I know quite well that there are quite a few colleagues with all sorts of articles in store. The only way for the game and the community to avoid that kind of negative press is for them to distance themselves radically from the perpetrator, if he doesn't act responsibly by distancing himself.
Unfortunately we don't know that such decisions have already been made, either. Hence the need for patience on all of this; throwing more fuel on the fire isn't going to put it out any quicker. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
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Abriael VonRosen wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote: How many politicians have been caught with prossies, doing drugs, having an affair, and are still in their seats?
Not that many actually, especially between those that covered prominent positions, and the CSM chair is a very prominent position in its context.
Clinton, a number of MPs in the UK either having affairs, voting against certain legislation even when they theselves are in the closet seeing rent boys, the PM of an EU country or two. I could go on.
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Quote:I'd rather be represented by someone who has made a mistake, is willing to admit it and learn from it I'd rather be represented, in a future mandate, by someone who as made a large mistake and is willing to actually face its full consequences, instead of just apologizing and hoping in getting away with it with a wirstslap.
Your presumptpon is that he has broken whatever someone in his position has to agree to and so will be sanctioned for that behvaiour. Then if he is deserving of a sanction that he will not get it.
If that is a slap on the wrist as you call it is immaterial, the punishment has to match what is stated to happen in such a situation, which may not be a ban, it could be a suspension. Anything beyond what the policies are in such a case become vengence and is not the right way to go. |
Mana Potion
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
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"lets just hold another election... see if Mittens gets the same outcome. "
yep this is a ridiculous idea. just like all the other asinine comments that come before it. |
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:34:00 -
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Abriael VonRosen wrote: See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.
The world would be a lot better place if there were less kneejerk resignations from people who are otherwise very good at their jobs. How many talented and dedicated politicians have we lost to affairs? |
The D1ngo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:35:00 -
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Nought Prymary wrote:Oh God, so depressed.
Gonna OD and end it all.
The only medication I have access to is laxatives.
Wish me luck.
Don't do it!!! A life is a terrible thing to waste.
I am sure if you think really hard there is someone that would miss you. Find that one person and see if they will talk to you about your issues.
I saw earlier that CCP has a suicide hotline that you can use if talking to your Mom (if that is who is at the top of the basement stairs) doesn't help.
If you are feeling down, I am sorry.
Ending your life w/ laxatives is a shltty way to go. I repeat call the hotline!!!!!
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:35:00 -
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Mana Potion wrote:I guess what bugs me is that none of these people that are complaining, have anything to do with the situation... they are just jumping up and down because they have some preconceived notion about the Mittani. None of these "I don't accept your apology" responses mean a damn thing.
if all else fails , read his own post ...
he (and me, and many other ) thinks such behavior is not acceptable
and he will resign, with is a move i honor
no need to defense him , he already has accepted his error and the consequences resulting out of it
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Jita Alt666
963
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:36:00 -
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Lets keep posting so this thread overtakes the WIS thread and thus demonstrates that players are more interested in space drama than dressing up. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:36:00 -
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I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now |
Alaxen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:37:00 -
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L00B wrote:So you missed the part where it was the ALLIANCE presentations? Shocking that something missed your laser intellect and complete understanding of events. Since you think the panel was a CSM thing, let's just hammer a bit here, smash that bit in there... ahh! That's better, now reality suits your version of events!
Alexander Gianturco aka The Mittani aka Mittens aka Goonswarm Leader aka CSM Chair etc etc.
It's all the same guy. He's just desperately trying to sacrifice one of his personas off so that he can save the others. "I was drunk! That wasn't the real me! I'm a nice guy the rest of the time! Erm...".
Or are we now saying that he's a sociopath, sadist and has multiple personality disorder?
He's been acting this way for years. A leopard doesn't change its spots overnight, no matter how many nice words he can come up with. Is it more likely he suddenly realized how much harm he was causing other people, or how much damage he had caused himself? Even though he's spent years torturing others for his own amusement, he suddenly realizes *now* that this is a bad thing? This epiphany is just coincidence? Really?
He's just looking out for himself. Same as ever. All he's interested in right now is damage mitigation. Minimizing the consequences of his unfortunate actions. That's all. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:38:00 -
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Voull wrote:I'm new to this game but can tell that if this was anyone else, they would have been banned already.
Perhaps you should refrain from posting opinions until you are less new to this game?
I have been told on forums to, quote, "drink bleach", end of quote and the poster wasn't banned.
Of course, not in a single moment have I thought that "drink bleach" bore any in-game semantic, nor that the person, who said that, actually wanted me to perform this action in real life.
Of course, I'm also a political nobody, so there wasn't anyone to blow everything out of the proportion across the nerd news sites and try to extract some political dividends from that. |
Von Mellenthin
Air EVE Napalm Sticks To Kids
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:38:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote: See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.
The world would be a lot better place if there were less kneejerk resignations from people who are otherwise very good at their jobs. How many talented and dedicated politicians have we lost to affairs?
A product of the zero-defect society we live in now. Have to remember we are all human and some of us like to drink beer. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:40:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Voull wrote:I'm new to this game but can tell that if this was anyone else, they would have been banned already. Perhaps you should refrain from posting opinions until you are less new to this game?
I don't have to be a veteran of EVE to be able to tell this mittani guy has issues |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:40:00 -
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Voull wrote:I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now If you are going to quit, could I perhaps get your isk and any other assets you wish to part with? I'll put em to to good use.
I for one am glad to tell people I play this game. It's the only MMO that remotely has a community like this, that are not afraid to take a stand on any issue or any side of an issue. It's one of the many reasons I love and will continue to play this game.
My only regret is that I sold some characters that I never should have sold, and never should have taken "I quit" breaks, because those are pointless. The game is just too good to quit, no matter what issues or what have you come up. |
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Jita Alt666
963
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:40:00 -
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Von Mellenthin wrote:Yeep wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote: See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.
The world would be a lot better place if there were less kneejerk resignations from people who are otherwise very good at their jobs. How many talented and dedicated politicians have we lost to affairs? A product of the zero-defect society we live in now. Have to remember we are all human and some of us like to drink beer.
and say dumb ****
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Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:41:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote: Unfortunately we don't know that such decisions have already been made, either. Hence the need for patience on all of this; throwing more fuel on the fire isn't going to put it out any quicker.
That's exactly the problem. Those decisions shouldn't be needed. A representative worthy of any degree of respect would have already took the decision by himself.
As for putting the fire out, i'm sure many have a vested interest in that outcome, but that would be no diffeerent than sweeping the problem under the carpet. I know for a fact that a portion of the gaming press can't wait for that outcome. I can already imagine the headlines.
Mittani himself has never looked like someone interested in putting out fires, quite the opposite, apparently that doesn't apply when he's the one on fire. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:45:00 -
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Von Mellenthin wrote:A product of the zero-defect society we live in now. Have to remember we are all human and some of us like to drink beer.
Yet the people we vote to represent us are and must be held to a higher standard than the rest of society as they are there to make decisions that can affect our lives for a long time to come, whether that is real world or game lives. they should also know to control themselves in public situation.
However when they do make a mistake an appology should be given and they should show they have learnt form it. This shows some level of strength of character. If however they repeat it again and agina then they need to step down. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:48:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:L00B wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.
Try actually reading my posts.
Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet. In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit. In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...
I think you might be onto something. Lets go with this. |
Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:48:00 -
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Nothing can save him from being banned, just read this article and you'll see why. Before he apologized he wrote "deal with it". He did not stop digging even after the scandal. He is totally arrogant about the whole issue.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/ |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:49:00 -
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Has anyone else noticed how quiet CCP is about this. One would think an investigation involving life footage with CCP employees standing watch would be rather easily concluded.
Regardless of the strings that might have been pulled to extract this apology, it seems this matter is closed now.
Signature added by Adalun Dey. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:49:00 -
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Did you have to get someone to read that article to you because you're clearly incapable of reading the first post in this thread. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:50:00 -
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Adalun Dey wrote:Has anyone else noticed how quiet CCP is about this. One would think an investigation involving life footage with CCP employees standing watch would be rather easily concluded.
Regardless of the strings that might have been pulled to extract this apology, it seems this matter is closed now.
Quiet apart from that one ISD dude plastering the guy being harassed's name all over the login screen. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:51:00 -
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Adalun Dey wrote:Has anyone else noticed how quiet CCP is about this. One would think an investigation involving life footage with CCP employees standing watch would be rather easily concluded.
Regardless of the strings that might have been pulled to extract this apology, it seems this matter is closed now.
Sometimes silence is an answer.
Personally, I'd prefer that CCP don't get involved directly unless they have to. This is a community event about a community-elected official's conduct, so let the community sort it out. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:52:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Adalun Dey wrote:Has anyone else noticed how quiet CCP is about this. One would think an investigation involving life footage with CCP employees standing watch would be rather easily concluded.
Regardless of the strings that might have been pulled to extract this apology, it seems this matter is closed now.
Quiet apart from that one ISD dude plastering the guy being harassed's name all over the login screen.
yeah, but to do so, he would have had to have given the ISD permission. Personal experience with the news, they gotta ask you if it is alright to reference you before they put the name in. |
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