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tolptila Parsons
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:53:00 -
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Name and shame its would benefit the eve community a lot and would stop botters in corps and stop whole corps botting |
Janos Saal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:55:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Sreegs, I'd like to put my support behind the scarlet letter idea.
Why? Because it feels like Eve. No other reason.
In Eve's fictional background, AI research is strictly frowned upon due to its tendency to spontaneously assert sentience, mutilate its creators, and fly off to nowhere. It stands to reason that CONCORD would look very un-kindly upon attempting to automate not a simple drone, but a fully functional and tactically terrifying capsuleer warship. As such, CONCORD flags these individuals who irresponsibly surrender their ship controls to crude AI, and flags them for capsuleer termination in the name of maximum efficiency. I'm just quoting this because I don't read the fiction but the idea of player consequences and being true to eve needs to be a factor and I'm just going to namesearch what I quoted later. Make it so that every time somebody is caught botting they recieve CONCORD sanctions, and thereafter recieve reduced bounties for rats killed. Caught once: bounty rewards reduced by 33% for x amount of time as a punishment for tampering with AI. Caught twice: bounties reduced by 66%. Caught thrice: biomass. Fits with the fiction, doesn't stray into any public naming and shaming issues. EVE is dead |
Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:55:00 -
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I'd prefer not having them in the game at all. |
Alain Kinsella
97
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:00:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I have 1 idea: add a corporation checkbox: "only allow never banned applicants".
A CEO checking that flag will have the ability to filter out unwanted people without any party having to disclose anything. This would leave in the corp possible previously banned players but hey, if they have not been kicked so far it's because they behaved correctly.
I like this idea even more. It basically allows a 'name and shame' without revealing any information to anyone - only CCP and the flagged player knows.
The flagged player trying to apply at a corp like this, will get a popup instead that says they're not allowing applications from flagged players. Note I say player, since in this setup CCP can flag all related accounts without major concern that this player will be publicly ostracized.
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Quantum Drummer
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:04:00 -
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Hey DJ,
This is stupid. The only time another player should see if the account has been banned is when buying it. Then they should be able to know if it has bans on record. This will turn into Steam where a crack your friend downloads for a game gets you a VAC Ban Star and every time you play well; you're cheating.
EDIT: Also, most CEOs and FCs of major corps would be tagged. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:16:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: If I'm forced to frame it as a question I'd like answered I think I'd frame it as "What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity?"
You can release the character names of perma-banned botters without any consequences. You can even make a bot graveyard in-game and the RP lore will justify it by saying "These are the graves of capsuleers that have voluntarily implanted AI into their brains. They were terninated by CCP Sreegs to prevent Skynet 2.0 from ever becoming self-aware" LMAO Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
314
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:51:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Hello wonderful Internet Spaceship Pilots!!!!!
Though not all of you have seen my presentation last Friday at this point I have some time to kill so I'd like to get this conversation started that I not only promised, but that I'm really looking forward to.
In some of my past dev blogs and conversations with players it's been mentioned by a number of you that you'd like botters identified publicly. As you will eventually see from my presentation once it's posted, I'm not entirely convinced that this has any real tangible benefit to you as a player in any respect other than as a tool to implement the metagame.
I'm also not convinced that it's a worthless pursuit so what I'd like to see from you, the players, is a discussion regarding how you feel about this and I'm hoping to see some really cool ideas.
If I'm forced to frame it as a question I'd like answered I think I'd frame it as "What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity?"
Please try to stay on topic. If this thread gets garbaged (Sarah Palin License to invent words) then we'll clean it but I'd rather we just stick to the topic and provide some really good input personally.
DISCUSS!
:) Haven't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if this has been stated before.
I would like to see botters named and the locations they were working id'd so that *I* as a player know where and what is going on.
When you ban botters are they mostly hi-sec? Jita Traders? Null-sec ratting/mining bots? Or lvl 4 mission runner bots?
Also - if they aren't in NPC corps - what kind of corps are they in? Small renter corps? One man Hi-sec corps? Or Null-Sec alliances?
Who tolerates botters w/in?
For NPC alts I could care less..... maybe it makes no difference, but, as with everything else in Eve, knowledge/information is power.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Estrogenia
Arctic Productions
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:17:00 -
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First offense botter = warning from ccp, no scarlet letter. Second offense botter = permanent scarlet letter.
This gives the option of redemption for those willing, and gives the rest of us all the incentive we need to gank the tagged characters... after all, we would know they had their chance to redeem themselves :) |
FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:21:00 -
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Assuming CCP is actually going with a "beyond a reasonable doubt" equivalent for standard of proof that someone is botting, this is how I feel it should occur:
1st strike - nothing public. This gives them a chance to reform without consequences.
2nd strike - For the first three months, the account gets an "active" scarlet letter in public on all characters in existence at the time of the offense. This serves the purpose of giving the community the chance to ostracize the offender for the crime he has committed against the community. If the player starts a new character on that account, it does not have a publicly displayed scarlet letter. Or, the cheater can simply go inactive for 3 months. All characters with "active" scarlet letters cannot be transferred to another account.
After 3 months, the scarlet letter is no longer publicly visible.
Additionally, for 12 months after the offense, the account gets a "passive" scarlet letter. It covers all characters (new, old, transferred, purchased, etc.) on that account. It is visible to the CEO/Recruiting Director when the player applies to a corporation. Now, when a corp does its normal security background check on a new applicant, one of the things they can look for is whether the character applying received a massive influx of ISK/goods/plex from a "scarlet letter" account. This helps corps that want to maintain a good reputation stay clean. The player can still recover from his cheating, but doesn't have to suffer public ridicule, death, and humiliation the entire time.
3rd strike - permanent ban |
Cord Binchiette
Kzinti Hegemony
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:43:00 -
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I'm looking to join a corporation. Since I'm still fairly new, it's a little bewildering looking at all of them spamming the forum or in-game channels looking for recruits like me. It would be extremely helpful to see if the corp I'm looking at joining has any Scarlet Letter players.
That right there tells me the CEO couldn't care less who comes into the corp. It gives me a clue how I'll be treated as a player if I join. It would give me the ability to weed out any corp that wouldn't be a good match for me.
What would happen if I saw someone with a Scarlet Letter mining or missioning in one of my mission systems? I would stop training on my main, and train up an alt for a gank cruiser. Then I would hammer that f&@#*! into dust the next time I saw them. Even if I saw them chatting in local and knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was a live person at the keyboard. I would gank them. And every time they left the station, I would gank them. CCP might give them a second chance, but I would not.
Instead of making the Scarlet Letter visible to everyone, maybe make it visible to the CEO when he looks at his corp member list or applicants list. And it should at least be visible to current members and/or someone applying to a corp (ie. Corp has 8 members with Scarlet Letters - but no names). That way if I join a corp and three months later 19 people get nailed for botting, I can see it and decide to leave.
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Badeo Beta
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:57:00 -
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I wish to raise just one point-- please either flag someone or don't flag them, don't flag them for a year. I am currently in a NPC corp, and might choose to stay for a while. I would rather not have a recruiter wonder if I spent a year in a NPC corp due to flagging. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
83
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:59:00 -
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Havent read through the entire thread but sitting here thinking about this.
I think there should be a name and shame though only for the "commercial" botters, ie those who are getting multiple accounts banned at the same time. Im not sure if this is possible but THESE to me are the biggest threats and need the player vigilantism against them. These are the groups and individuals that need to be harassed daily, hourly and every minute of the day they log in. As not only did they do it but they did it on a large enough scale that its mostly about RMT not just earning side isk or some other BS like that that most people justify it with. Players that are doing these activities on multiple accounts are already well aware of what they are doing anyway.
So yeah multiple accounts get the name and shame, single players have the ability to turn into good productive players. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
CowRocket Void
Angelus.Mortis
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:13:00 -
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If I saw a "botter mark" I'd make a special attempt to gank them, over and over and over again. I say do it |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
269
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:15:00 -
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Quantum Drummer wrote:Hey DJ,
This is stupid. The only time another player should see if the account has been banned is when buying it. Then they should be able to know if it has bans on record. This will turn into Steam where a crack your friend downloads for a game gets you a VAC Ban Star and every time you play well; you're cheating.
EDIT: Also, most CEOs and FCs of major corps would be tagged.
If you closely read one of CCP Sreegs' latest dev blogs regarding the recent ban-hammer move on botters, it is now official that all characters within said bot accounts and all non-bot accounts associated with said bot accounts are no longer able to put up their characters in the Character Bazaar.
In other words: Banned Accounts = No transferable character
EDIT: I forgot to add the following two words on the last line: "...for life." Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
269
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:19:00 -
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CowRocket Void wrote:If I saw a "botter mark" I'd make a special attempt to gank them, over and over and over again. I say do it
I would keep ganking them until I see that the player is finally at the controls. Knowing myself, I would give that player a chance to redeem himself as I police him over time. Kind of like a probation officer looking after a convict. Only, in Eve, the probation system would actually work compared to what we Americans have in real life (which is crappy). Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Kogh Ayon
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:28:00 -
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I don't care when I still see the 15+ CNR botters in Poinen and 15+ Tengu botters in Osmon running 20hours/day |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1100
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:29:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:First off, if someone breaks the law there are consequences. You molest a child here in the United States, you are flagged as such for the rest of your life and everywhere you live people know about it.
If you are 20 and have sex with your 19 yo girlfriend in the wrong state, you get flagged as a sex offender for the rest of your life. As a result, despite the fact that you have been married to your girlfriend for 20 years, at age 40 you are going to have trouble getting jobs (and possibly have your house torched or car keyed) because you parked in the wrong lover's lane 20 years ago and have your name on the same register as people who kidnap children and use them in snuff **** movies.
Scarlet Letters do not work in real life. The desire for vengeance that drives the small-minded masses to lust after a 'name and shame' scheme is exactly the same motivation that drives lynch mobs.
Victor Hugo wrote about the hatred expressed by "normal" people towards carriers of "letters of release" given to ex-convicts. Jean Val Jean (admittedly a fictional character) could not even get paid the same wage for doing the same work, because he had the "yellow passport" which as an ex-convict he was required to show to any prospective employer.
The only outcome of scarlet letters is vilification and persecution. Scarlet letters will not help reform people who made unwise decisions.
Even in this thread there are people fawning over the possibility of having a visible sign that this target is someone to blame for the rent being too damned high. "Botters are to blame for my being broke" - no, you are broke because you don't know how to make more ISK than you spend, or spend less ISK than you earn. "Botters cause inflation" - no, high demand causes inflation, high supply of ISK can lead to inflation, low level of supply causes inflation: people who run incursions are just as guilty as the botter ratting in a tracking titan. Mining bots cause deflation. Ratting bots raise ISK supply (which can lead to inflation if their demand rises).
Stop looking for other people to blame for your problems. If you want to gank miners, just gank miners. Don't go looking for external validation of your ganking. You just go out and gank because that's what you enjoy doing. The justification for your ganking should be in terms of "removing competition", not "serving justice to those who deserve it".
Even more amusing is the number of people claiming that their enemy engages in botting while their own alliance doesn't. That's almost enough reason for me to want to support Scarlet Letters for anyone caught botting who is in a null sec sov-holding alliance. Won't that be an eye-opener when you log in one day to find your alliance has more convicted bot-users than your sworn enemy? Whose alliance was that big blue slice of the botting pie? Probably yours.
Sometimes the facts get in the way of prejudice, you know. You are better off believing that the enemy are the ones using vile techniques, rather than knowing that your side does it more. The Mittani claims that null sec war is fuelled by xenophobia and cultural hatred. In the real world, you extinguish such fear and hatred by getting people to learn more about each other. Using Scarlet Letters would achieve the same thing: thus Scarlet Letters would disarm the xenophobia and cultural hatred and lead to less conflict in null sec, and that is a bad thing.
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Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
272
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:31:00 -
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The primary problem with the scarlet letter is:
A) It assumes the person in question would care about being called out. Many botters wouldn't care and can easily be in some NPC corp while botting to their hearts content then transferring assets gained to their main character or corp. Its likely that the number of botters would also be too great for individual pilots to hunt down and harass a large enough number for it to be an issue.
B) Character trading has to be prohibited for any pilot caught botting for a length of time, or else its useless and the offender will just buy a new character, rinse and repeat.
I have no problem with this being instituted, just highly doubtful of its chances of any real success.
The best way to fight botters is quite simple: Seizure of assets and locking the character to the account for 6 months. If youre caught botting, first time offense has 50% of your total assets on hand along with 50% of everything transfered to another character in the last 30 days is seized. Second offense, 75% seized. Third offense is perma-ban. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1100
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:32:00 -
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CowRocket Void wrote:If I saw a "botter mark" I'd make a special attempt to gank them, over and over and over again. I say do it
Why not just gank them regardless of having a bother mark or not? Do you seek external justification for your actions? Why can't you be more internally motivated (i.e.: grow some balls)?
Ganking someone because they got caught botting doesn't seem to be a nice way to encourage the ex-botter to keep playing the game. I would be more inclined to help them find ways to control their spending or make more ISK using legitimate (if not honest) means.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1100
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:35:00 -
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Botleten wrote:The best way to fight botters is quite simple: Seizure of assets and locking the character to the account for 6 months. If youre caught botting, first time offense has 50% of your total assets on hand along with 50% of everything transfered to another character in the last 30 days is seized. Second offense, 75% seized. Third offense is perma-ban.
"The best way" supported by what literature?
The current method is: the first time you are caught, all illegitimate proceeds are seized (in ISK form, putting your wallet deep in the negative), and your account is forever flagged as not being able to transfer characters.
If this method is not optimal (in terms of reducing recidivism and encouraging continued subscription), please explain how your method is better.
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Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
272
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:00:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Botleten wrote:The best way to fight botters is quite simple: Seizure of assets and locking the character to the account for 6 months. If youre caught botting, first time offense has 50% of your total assets on hand along with 50% of everything transfered to another character in the last 30 days is seized. Second offense, 75% seized. Third offense is perma-ban. "The best way" supported by what literature? The current method is: the first time you are caught, all illegitimate proceeds are seized (in ISK form, putting your wallet deep in the negative), and your account is forever flagged as not being able to transfer characters. If this method is not optimal (in terms of reducing recidivism and encouraging continued subscription), please explain how your method is better.
Its obvious that youre someone who doesnt fully understand the mechanics of how botters operate, so I'll try to explain it in a way you understand through an example: Someone goes onto character bazaar, find lowest possible SP tengu pilot with good ratting skills and nothing else, buys it for a few billion isk. Sets up the new character on a seperate account, runs it for a few weeks. They take the isk earned, use it to buy assets then transfer assets to their main. Bot character gets caught a week or 2 later and isk is removed from their wallet. The botter still has all the ill-gotten gains and made back the isk used to buy the character within a day or two after getting it. The character that is caught, sitting there with a -15 billion isk balance, is biomassed. Rinse and repeat.
Why do people bot? To gain assets that they otherwise couldn't afford. How do you remove the incentive to bot? Remove, or severely lessen, the chance of gaining said assets. Simply going after isk in the wallet is insufficient. |
Zircon Dasher
92
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:16:00 -
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Botleten wrote: Its obvious that youre someone who doesnt fully understand the mechanics of how botters operate, so I'll try to explain it in a way you understand through an example: Someone goes onto character bazaar, find lowest possible SP tengu pilot with good ratting skills and nothing else, buys it for a few billion isk. Sets up the new character on a seperate account, runs it for a few weeks. They take the isk earned, use it to buy assets then transfer assets to their main. Bot character gets caught a week or 2 later and isk is removed from their wallet. The botter still has all the ill-gotten gains and made back the isk used to buy the character within a day or two after getting it. The character that is caught, sitting there with a -15 billion isk balance, is biomassed. Rinse and repeat.
Why do people bot? To gain assets that they otherwise couldn't afford. How do you remove the incentive to bot? Remove, or severely lessen, the chance of gaining said assets. Simply going after isk in the wallet is insufficient.
Obligatory "You sure know a lot about botting...."
Edit: Wasn't there a thread about how people were getting thier non-botting accounts banned in conjunction with thier botting accounts? Will see if I can find it.... I thought it was on eve-o, but it might have been a different site. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
130
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:26:00 -
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I'll try to respond to your post, but just to keep this thread a bit cleaner, I'm not going to quote everything that you said
1) "pretty much known" is fancy forum speak for "I'm guessing this is how they do it, but I really don't know". You and me both know it. Neither of us are security experts, and honestly, despite the criticism, there's probably only a handful of people in Eve with the ability and experiance to do Screegs job, most are just forum warriors.
2) I don't think or expect that CCP would make a public apology if they did make a mistake. This is something I'd like to hear more about from Screegs. Have you guys ever found you've made a mistake? Have you been corrected by that player and/or his petition? What is done in the case that you do find yourselves in error?
On second thought I have heard of someone petitioning a macro ban and getting it reversed with an appology from the GM. https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/oldrigs Now, there may have been some trouble involved in getting it reversed. I'll be honest and admit that after getting home at 10pm I don't feel like re-reading the entire page, but the first section contains the part I'm referencing.
3) You're correct about the time, my mistake. However, the amount of money lost has nothing to do with the "Scarlet letter" as those people lost the same amount regardless of the verdict here, same with the POS. As I've said before, they can be petitioned, and the above goes to show that CCP does admit when they make a mistake and proof can be offered (although I don't know if anything was, or even needed to be, refunded in that case).
4) You could argue the same (slandering enemies) about any player run service. Yet they still all exist because they've built a trustworthy subscriber base and haven't violated that trust. If they wanted to Eve-Kill could add a few extra capital ship losses to the IRC killboard, but they don't. Eve Boards could probably find a way to do bad things with the API's they've been entrusted with, but they don't. Eve News 24 could run articles about how terrible IRC is, but they... oh wait j/k You get the point. Saying that Eve players could do evil things with data that's given to them is a given, we're Eve players. Yet someone will build a trustworthy subscriber base by reporting only bots with some kind of citation or verification.
If a 100 page threadnought gets started about botting it won't be the first. The difference I see here is that players can take that data, go into this system, and verify the results for themselves. Then that alliance, if they truely are bot free, can take action themselves by kicking all the botters they can find. Or, if they were just trying to put on a good face, but don't truely care, the rest of eve can come in and evict them. Again, it's placing the power in the hands of the players, which I think is a good thing. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
83
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:50:00 -
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hermot wrote:Would it be a better deterrent to not let bots use PLEX to pay for their accounts? Once caught, they are banned from using PLEX for (insert time here).
Also, having a Scarlett letter upon application to another corp is a good idea. I really like this idea. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
Digital Messiah
Claymore Inc
148
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:43:00 -
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Well for one, we would know who to suicide gank if we thought they were botting again. Not that people who don't bot or look like it aren't anyways. I don't see the harm in this at all. Another is to protect corporations and alliances from unknowingly recruiting botters. This is important as it may prevent others from learning from this player. Or being tempted into this life style.
Just my two cents. Thank you for your time CCP Sreegs. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" Enter a Heroic Era Today |
Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
91
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:46:00 -
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I'd like name and shame simply as proof that the ones I'm reporting were actually confirmed botting & banned. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1100
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:58:00 -
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Botleten wrote:Its obvious that youre someone who doesnt fully understand the mechanics of how botters operate, so I'll try to explain it in a way you understand through an example: Someone goes onto character bazaar, find lowest possible SP tengu pilot with good ratting skills and nothing else, buys it for a few billion isk. Sets up the new character on a seperate account, runs it for a few weeks. They take the isk earned, use it to buy assets then transfer assets to their main. Bot character gets caught a week or 2 later and isk is removed from their wallet. The botter still has all the ill-gotten gains and made back the isk used to buy the character within a day or two after getting it. The character that is caught, sitting there with a -15 billion isk balance, is biomassed. Rinse and repeat.
It's obvious that you're someone who doesn't fully understand how CCP goes about banning botters, so I'll try to explain it to you through an example:
1) Botter goes to character bazaar, buys tengu pilot 2) Botter starts ratting with a bot 3) CCP detects botting behaviour and bans EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT associated with that player 4) ALL ISK generated through botting is removed from the wallet(s) of those accounts, in some cases this will result in negative ISK balances 5) None of those accounts are allowed to trade characters anymore, so the player can no longer buy tengu pilots on those accounts
So all that ISK that was "transferred to the main" is gone too.
How do you buy a new tengu pilot when you don't have any ISK to buy it with?
Tie this in with the validation of identity coming up in the next couple of months and you'll start to realise that it is going to get a lot harder to maintain a botting operation. Sure, in the first instance the botters will just keep cycling through GMail accounts. Ultimately I expect CCP will take action on that front too: thanks to Google Analytics it's relatively easy to tell that "[email protected]" is also "[email protected]" and is also "[email protected]" because the guy behind those three accounts has at least once in the last four years forgotten to clear cache, history and cookies before logging in with another account from the same IP address.
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
485
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:04:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: 3) CCP detects botting behaviour and bans EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT associated with that player
CCP does not always success at this as evidenced by many posts on botting forums. They often seem to leave some accounts alone for reasons that even the botters themselves don't understand. And of course serious botters try very hard to keep accounts separated.
once the isk has been converted into rl money the botter doesn't have to worry much about asset seizure anymore - as the post you replied to points out it is very much a race against the clock that CCP has to win. |
Sin Pew
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:16:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: 3) CCP detects botting behaviour and bans EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT associated with that player
CCP does not always success at this as evidenced by many posts on botting forums. They often seem to leave some accounts alone for reasons that even the botters themselves don't understand. And of course serious botters try very hard to keep accounts separated. once the isk has been converted into rl money the botter doesn't have to worry much about asset seizure anymore - as the post you replied to points out it is very much a race against the clock that CCP has to win. Yeah, it's clear the Inquisition and the Holocaust are great examples to follow to follow then. I'm sure Joan of Arc would love the idea. TL;DR
Mara Rinn wrote:Why not just gank them regardless of having a bother mark or not? Do you seek external justification for your actions? Why can't you be more internally motivated (i.e.: grow some balls)? If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? |
Stoogie
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
13
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:17:00 -
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Name and shame, I don't want botters or their isk in my corp so I would like to be able to see them before I get them into corp. |
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