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Machater
Regina's Wolves
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Posted - 2012.04.04 03:12:00 -
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So the purpose of a "Scarlet Letter" is to essentially make the game unplayable for those who earn it. Sure they can play, but we all want to know who they are so we can keep them from really playing Eve.
So why not just ban those people? If we are going to make the game nearly impossible to enjoy those players will just stick around to cause more trouble.
Ban them, or if that is too extreme for this stage, delete their character. They can still play the game but they lose that SP. |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.04.04 03:25:00 -
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Lets make removing bots a player activity of eve.
since you can already detect the bots build in a system that allows the players to enforce the no bottling policy.
implement a system that strips bots of their concord protection .
implement a system that enable players to search a list of known boters through out the eve universe. (ala agents maybe)
this would make bot hunting a viable profession in eve and provide more pew pew.
after a set amount of time the bot is banned per normal.
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Vetorept Fera
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
6
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Posted - 2012.04.04 03:30:00 -
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I think it would give a lot of insight into null sec alliances. In pace requiescat |
Eezee Gonozal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 03:38:00 -
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Im Super Gay wrote:Eno Lacigol wrote:I was banned for botting in the recent wave of bannings, despite never using a bot. It's really messed up that because of a GM who is to incompetent to tell the difference between an afk domi with drones out and a bot, that I'm out 15 days on my two accounts and a mark against me I did not earn. I smell a liar trying to play the false positive card.
There is more than one occurrence where people with Ishtars get banned, even though they don't had any bot running. |
Eezee Gonozal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 03:48:00 -
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Doctor Eezee wrote:So I just skimmed over the thread, because I couldn't really be bothered to actually read 17 pages of the same bad arguments.
Somehow people actually think that people with the "Scarlet Letter" will actually continue to use that character. People will just quit the game. CCP will lose money and the players haven't actually gained anything, because 92% of first time offenders never do anything again. And the guys who actually should be banned, the "hardcore botters", will just buy another Tengu char, because 6b is not that much and people will always find ways to hide their isk somewhere.
I'm pretty sure that at most 1/10th of the guys in here have actually watched the presentation, otherwise they wouldn't make these suggestions.
Also I want to quote this totally random dude I have no relation with. The only answer this totally random post got was: "Of course goons are against it". Despite what people might think we are not a giant alliance of Botters *gasp*. I'm sure we have some botters in our alliance, but with that many accounts that is kinda unavoidable.
Either Permaban on the first offense or leave it like it is now. |
Brittany Harpoon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.04 04:27:00 -
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Im Super Gay wrote:Eno Lacigol wrote:I was banned for botting in the recent wave of bannings, despite never using a bot. It's really messed up that because of a GM who is to incompetent to tell the difference between an afk domi with drones out and a bot, that I'm out 15 days on my two accounts and a mark against me I did not earn. I smell a liar trying to play the false positive card. Actually sitting afk in an anom letting drones kill NPC's is a banable offence. a few weeks ago someone was complaining about it
So its not a false positive its working as intended.
I do know someone who was a false positive during the RMT bannings, he logged in to find himself negative a bill or so.
Next logged on his wallet was back to normal and an apology from CCP and a plex |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
515
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Posted - 2012.04.04 05:53:00 -
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CCP Stillman / Sreggs
Hi and thank you for your continued work. Much appreciated.
How about a check box I can tick in my recruitment section that automagically denies anyone who's been temp banned.
This way, you don't need to put a scarlet letter on anyone, you just kinda disallow them from joining my corp in the first place.
This way, they're not chased with torches and pitchforks across new eden and I still get to keep that element out of my corp.
It's not rocket surgery. |
Lord Orefinger
Real Life Super Heros Inc. Caped Vigilantes
5
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Posted - 2012.04.04 06:07:00 -
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Hello OP. I'm the guy who asked you to let CEO's protect themselves and their corps at the fan-fest.
My thoughts on this still stand; CCP is a small company with a small number of people able to or willing to look into this full time.. let the community self police and let it be known that a CEO, his directors, and his trusted HR people all have the power to keep people with RMT in their blood out of the best corps and social circles in eve due to the fear of CCP spanking everybody they are affiliated with will bring. Or just let us protect ourselves and keep eve, eve-like.
Or just make anybody with the RMT scarlet letter always -10 sec status so anybody who wants to can shoot them.
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quiet beauty
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 07:06:00 -
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Why is everyone worried about others seeing that scarlet letter? If you arent botting, you won't have it, so you have nothing to worry about...If you do have dirty plans and history what you did or were doing then you have something to worry...So if you are regular honest player not braking rules that wont effect you at all...And here we are agin...Why wouldn't you put that in game mehanic, if you dont want botters in game anyway? To me it seems quite a good idea and i would just make that letter permament. Keep up the good work CCP |
Suicidal Squirrel
Epic Odyssey Lizard Kings
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 07:19:00 -
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Hello all I've spent the last 90 minutes of my day reading the first half of the blog- then jumped to the last page just to make sure I wasn't posting completely blindly. If I missed something, then oh well, flame on..
Based on my general observation of what has been posted, I'm reading that we the players need some way to protect ourselves, as individuals, corporations, and alliances from the effects of removing a botter's impact from the economy. Because of the manner that CCP has chosen to penalize botters, I feel that they have the OBLIGATION to the players to ensure that we can protect ourselves
Obviously we want to kick the botters to the curb and biomass the RMT accounts. General consensus is that casual botters generally will stop after an initial warning and that career botters won't stop after any amount of botting. Based on this, I think that CCP should change their suspension policy. I'm suggesting that offenders get banned after two confirmed violations. There is no sense for a third opportunity- if you've been warned once by CCP for botting and get caught again, then toodles, you are not welcome here
A real concern here though is what happens in game to everyone else when the punishment is applied. Flagging a botter to players at any level is wanted, but it would adversely affect the in-game interactions with that person permanently, and in a way feel I feel is appropriate only between CCP and the account holder. I too would love to go on galaxy-wide bot hunting parties, but at the end of the day it only makes ALL players a little more paranoid than they need to be in the EvE universe. On the other hand should someone, be it a market buyer, contract seller, or CEO of a corp or alliance, be penalized by this person's actions if they do not know that CCP considers the player to be a botter
I think what might be a better way to deal with botting is on first strike to make the person's characters ineffective for 15-30 days. The player can log in, but they don't train skills, their shots always cause 0 damage, they can't buy or sell stuff. This is in addition to reducing their wallet by the worth of the isk they gained while botting or RMT. This reduction of ISK could be offset, at CCP's discretion, buy removing the in-game possessions the player directly acquired using those illegal activities. The person is then effectively only good for collecting wrecks and even then can only give them to fleetmates. This would give the player a level of humiliation among his/her immediate peers, but would not carry a permanent, publicly visible flag that they messed up. The player would also have the option to sit out of game for the duration of their suspension. Second time and they're gone anyway. As for external lists, they would not be reliable, as CCP would have provided no verifiable data that the person has been penalized, so it would be hearsay. If it was a botting corp or alliance, they would obviously be hurting if a huge chunk of their members suddenly became unable to do anything for a couple weeks, or the supercaps they bought from RTM suppliers vanished (in addition to their toons becoming nerfed)
The main advantage to this is that mobs, to the extent discouraged by CONCORD, will not go around directly punishing casual botters for any amount of time. It may cause the botter to get tossed from this corp or cause an alliance to split up because of poor decisions by a CEO, but hopefully someone not in any significant position would potentially be able to take their lumps like an adult and learn from it. And as I have said before, if they don't learn they get turned to biomass the second time
If you DO want to have fun, allow botters to login in once after their second 'ban' and make them fair game to everyone in addition to nerfing them, and don't allow them to dock. Also cause any new accounts opened by that client to immediately suffer the same fate. That would be fun
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
577
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Posted - 2012.04.04 07:40:00 -
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Having been a corp director and a recruiter and diplomat/negotiator/trader for several corps I can only agree with the points made that a "Scarlet B (for botter)" is something that can aid in recruiting immensely. Providing that the aim of said corp is to recruit upstanding individuals or even deals in values and "e-honour" or what not.
When large sums of money change hands for all kinds of stuff from supers to minerals nobody knows where that money comes from. If people who deal with botting are marked you can at least avoid them since you can be the victim of repercussions be they accusations of implicitly taking money from botters or even ISK and items that may vanish.
If the person who is rehabilitated does not re-offend the "scarlet B" can fade away (for us) but still be visible by CCP off course in the permanent record.
Another option is to make "the scarlet B" only visible if the player gives out his full API when applying so corps can check for a "mark" but it wouldn't be seen by everyone. That means CEO and directors can exercise some discretion but at least be aware of the problem. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found
25
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Posted - 2012.04.04 08:00:00 -
[492] - Quote
Personally, given the other effects already in place, I think the only effect of a "name and shame" would be to effectively brand the individual. Assuming some form of searchable database were compiled (either by the community or, ideally, in game) they would certainly be blacklisted from my corp and I'm sure from many others. Of course there is the possibility of people with similar names to a banned character being caught in the backlash unless it's linked to other attributes (their portrait, employment history...etc.).
A compromise situation might be to list the regions that those banned for botting were operating in at the time of the ban - it would allow the "that's 'x' Alliance space! I knew they harboured bots!" and "Yeah, that crew who've been raping belts next door are 'x' percent of this region's bans, and I reported them." without, as suugested, a "disincentive to becoming a good guy".
Increasing awareness of things like the character transfer block and its permanency is probably more important, the number of speculations I've seen regarding (for example) the number of mining characters available in the character bazaar and its relation to recent ban-waves highlights that there is room for improvement in that regard. And making it broader than the forums and the dev blogs is essential.
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Sedilis
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
14
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Posted - 2012.04.04 08:05:00 -
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As a CEO and Alliance leader I would like to have the option to see if applicants or members have received a ban (maybe just in the last year). Its not to say I would exclude everyone who had but they would be questioned thoroughly to try and ensure they had mended their ways and be watched more closely . I do not want people cheating in my alliance - there is just no need for it unless you are terrible at Eve in which case GTFO. |
Zalifer Esepula
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.04.04 08:14:00 -
[494] - Quote
I didnt bother reading the whole thread, so this may have been suggested. I don't have the CCP dev skill of forum skimming.
Botting is a three strikes operation.
make it as such.
1st Offence : A warning, and removal of ISK and Assets.
2nd Offence : As above + Scarlet Letter
3rd Offence : As above + banned.
This deals with people who didn't know properly about botting (I recently stopped a friend from getting into it, he didn't know it was wrong), and only removes the gains from it. The scarlet letter on the second offence is made clear to people on their first offence, and they then know the risk. Might help drive down that 8% re-offender number that was quoted.
Perhaps the scarlet letter can be implemented so that corps can set it to auto - kick people with it, and Alliances can be set to auto kick corps that don't have that option set, and then end up with someone with the scarlet letter. Then again, perhaps that is too far, but these people by the time they get the scarlet letter have shown a willingness to ignore the rules, even after a warning and having assets removed,
Finally, if you wanted to make the scarlet letter time based, so that perhaps it dissapears, or becomes less visible (only in detailed looks at a players profile, instead of on their portrait or whatever). |
DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D Defiant Legacy
204
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Posted - 2012.04.04 08:54:00 -
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I'll give you a very simple reason to include some kind of very visible marker to a botter/RMT'er.
You want to take back all the isk/assets related to the botter?
Fine, but then I want a tool to see if the stuff/isk I'm trading with someone is likely to be taken away by CCP.
Fix FW ! |
Stragak
Mangi Consilii S E D I T I O N
8
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Posted - 2012.04.04 08:57:00 -
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I personally liked the idea of at least the corp the person is in to let it be publicly known so we can police ourselves a little and keep tabs on them. So if they do bot a corp mate knows that they do have a history of it and can kick them or my personal favorite blow them up then kick them for doing it again and making a bad name for the corp. Nobody cares about your plans to be dirty hippies. goon (n)-áthefreedictionary A thug hired to intimidate or harm opponents A stupid or oafish person.
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Aunt Tom
Dark Voodoo Cult Red Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 09:13:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:"What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity?" :) Yes. Moreover i want to be able to identify that character is permabanned for botting (just to not waste time for locating the moved bot-farm if it ts moved to hell) |
Shadowsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.04.04 09:22:00 -
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I'm in favor of doing it, for several reasons:
- Cheating should have lasting consequences, and stoppping after being caught once or twice doesn't have any really signifiant one.
- If someone bought isks, and by doing so implicitely supported bots and account hackers, I do not want him in my game. I do not want to relate with him in any way, shape or form, regardless of how long ago it was.
- There are currently a lot of accusations being flung around, with basically every major alliance being repeatedly accused of harboring major RMT operations. So much mud flying that it's becoming hard to determine where there's reaosonnnable supsicion and where's there's only slander. A public list would ease up a lot on the false mud-throwing, and put strong pressure on the real RMT-friendly individuals. |
Eno Lacigol
Roomwraiths
3
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Posted - 2012.04.04 09:37:00 -
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Brittany Harpoon wrote:Im Super Gay wrote:Eno Lacigol wrote:I was banned for botting in the recent wave of bannings, despite never using a bot. It's really messed up that because of a GM who is to incompetent to tell the difference between an afk domi with drones out and a bot, that I'm out 15 days on my two accounts and a mark against me I did not earn. I smell a liar trying to play the false positive card. Actually sitting afk in an anom letting drones kill NPC's is a banable offence. a few weeks ago someone was complaining about it So its not a false positive its working as intended. I do know someone who was a false positive during the RMT bannings, he logged in to find himself negative a bill or so. Next logged on his wallet was back to normal and an apology from CCP and a plex Sense when has this been a bannable offense? After getting banned for doing this, my friend petitioned EVE and asked a GM and they said that what I described is perfectly acceptably behavior.
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Net Malone
MegaTech Enterprises Inver Brass
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 09:47:00 -
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Mr. CCP Sreegs of St. CCP Game Development
Realy you are in bigger mess then you see..
[quote]"What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity?"[/quote
It is completly uninteresting ! Only for making jokes of that character... Would be more usefull if you clearly mark scammers to prevent other players from being cheated and deceived. Why you are not interested in preventing scamming ?? You do not see that EVE community is pile of mess ? Local in Jita is ONE BIG SCAMM!! You like this **** ? Actually that ****** individuals was created by allowing them to deceive others. And next, logical step is botting, rmt, exploiting and what you do not like... You ACTIVELY DEVELOPED community where SOCIOPATHY IS community STANDARD !
Fight with THIS ! Fight roots not fruits ! You realy need long term plan for ingame-relationship management and community development ! Actual status is like beteen thiefs in RL: "I can trust you that you will steal from me if you have a chance" - end of relationship chain... Developed by CCP
And one more thing: pirating - your Universe is actually BASED ON THIS ! Militia do not patrol to kill pirates but fight other militia. And actually militians are pirates too. What a idiotic system ! Provi like guard thing is what you should implement into game - by implementing revards do their job and building community. I am aware, that conflict is what makes Eve interesting but you can do something smarter than what actually is... That random misions developed 10 years ago is sad... Create few more regions with mobs powerfull and unbeatable and TA DA ! Real quests requiring thinking ? Thousands and milions ideas can be introduced ! Including RL things like micro-payments..
Once again: marking othere players as botters is less usefull then marking scammers. It is common developers mistake to think all that technical details or what is interesting for share holders is esentially important for players :) Like with the "The Launcher" - it is minnor quirk for players, such details should get off the way of plain gammers. Eg. pleas even DO NOT MENTION anything WWW related until it will include mini-game_client-like-functionality...
Sorry for bying such angry on you but CCP have potential :) and seeing it is wasted is pity
And I personally like dev-full-technical-details-blogs, it is good thing. But not crucial for what ingame is..
N.M.
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Prince Kobol
505
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Posted - 2012.04.04 09:49:00 -
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I would only agree to a scarlet letter if it was given out on the 2nd offence.
For me giving out a scarlet letter on the first offence will effectively make that character unplayable as they will be spammed to hell and back and become a target for all gankers. They will be driven out of the game. You might as well just perma ban them and be done with it.
I understand CCP's position from a business perspective that people do make mistakes and it is a chance to turn a cheat into a paying customer.
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2D34DLY4U
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:13:00 -
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Players that get SL'd can do one of two things:
(1) continue cheating, in which case they will quit or sell the char
(2) stop cheating, in which case being SL'd will only exlude them from 99% of group activities
Therefore, SL is useless from both a punishing and a rehabilitation perspective.
The issues related to alternative and not so obvious mechanisms such as using a hidden flag to prevent search results are moot since someone will inevitably assemble a webpage somewhere with a convenient search function no matter how this is implemented.
The issues related to the players self regulating are awesome, but we already have this when people report a player for cheating/botting/rmt so don't see where a SL would further support this unless someone wants to run a corp following and harassing these people around - the few that haven't quit/sold char and are still trying to play...
The best and probably most useful SL is the internal hidden one that prevents a player caught cheating from selling characters.
Everything else is best left hidden, first because there is a huge deterrent effect to undercover operations, second because efforts spent on implementing this are less resources employed catching cheaters, third because in a sense we are gamifying cheating and shouldn't do that since it is not part of the game, last because pointing fingers has historically achieved no other purpose than creating subjugated minorities and this doesn't work when you can opt out of the account/game. |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:55:00 -
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Zalifer Esepula wrote:I didnt bother reading the whole thread, so this may have been suggested. I don't have the CCP dev skill of forum skimming.
Botting is a three strikes operation.
make it as such.
1st Offence : A warning, and removal of ISK and Assets.
2nd Offence : As above + Scarlet Letter
3rd Offence : As above + banned.
This deals with people who didn't know properly about botting (I recently stopped a friend from getting into it, he didn't know it was wrong), and only removes the gains from it. The scarlet letter on the second offence is made clear to people on their first offence, and they then know the risk. Might help drive down that 8% re-offender number that was quoted.
Perhaps the scarlet letter can be implemented so that corps can set it to auto - kick people with it, and Alliances can be set to auto kick corps that don't have that option set, and then end up with someone with the scarlet letter. Then again, perhaps that is too far, but these people by the time they get the scarlet letter have shown a willingness to ignore the rules, even after a warning and having assets removed,
Finally, if you wanted to make the scarlet letter time based, so that perhaps it dissapears, or becomes less visible (only in detailed looks at a players profile, instead of on their portrait or whatever).
I started writing much the same as your post quoted above. I was a little harsher though. 1st offense 30 day ban + isk and asset removal, wallet placed 10 billion isk negative. 2nd offense same as 1st plus 6 month branding. 3rd offense perma ban across all known accounts associated with the player.
~Z In EVE Online...-á-áA Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e |
Fel Regal
lnterBus
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:58:00 -
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How about giving players a Concord standing increase if you kill someone with a Scarlet Letter? Like they were a rat... |
Eelis Kiy
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
4
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:27:00 -
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Give their corpses really teeny genitals then plaster their corpses (1 for each billion isk taken back) all over space for us to laugh at.
Or just perma-ban. Seriously people should know better than this by now, there's not really any excuse. Anything else will still be seen as a "badge" by some. |
Rimase
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:29:00 -
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(Crimewatch) Make them a 'Fugitive' - a permanent account-wide Criminal status. Wallets will be debited each day into EVE Central Bank authorized by CONCORD where players can kill them without regret every time and be rewarded by EVE Central Bank, feeding their cheated ISK & AUR back into the economy. Eventually they'll be capitally punished if they fail after depleting their cheated wealth.
- The 'Fugitive' is out-game account-based whereas 'Suspect' and 'Criminal' is in-game character-based. You can always shoot them until the player proves their remorse in writing and gives-up their cheated ISK.
- They are permanent bounties tabbed as 'Fugitives' on the Bounty Office, briefly describing them. Permanent bounties which allows CONCORD to legally discount their Wallet upon each Medical Clone they activate.
- Fugitives will be prompt each week on steps to show their remorse of their actions and respest to CCP, the Community and the game. Having the player do this may 'convert them', which was mentioned at Fanfest.
- After all their cheated ISK & AUR is fed back into the economy, A Fugitive failing to repay & repent will be hunted by CONCORD Spec Ops after all their cheated ISK & AUR is fed back into the economy. They'll be quarantined for imposed Termination (Capital Punishment).
This, to me, seems like an immersive way to bring cheated ISK & AUR back into the player's game economy though I think I'm missing something about PLEXs. |
muhadin
Origin. Black Legion.
115
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:58:00 -
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Rimase wrote:(Crimewatch) Make them a 'Fugitive' - a permanent account-wide Criminal status. Wallets will be debited each day into EVE Central Bank authorized by CONCORD where players can kill them without regret every time and be rewarded by EVE Central Bank's 'fugitive pool', feeding all EVE's cheated ISK & AUR back into the economy.
This is something that we want to prevent, because bots farm isk faucets, increasing the flow of raw isk into the economy, thus slowly but surely destabilizing the market. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love" |
Amanda Solette
xX Angels Xx
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:09:00 -
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My opinion is that botters should be marked, labled, or otherwise made publicly known for their crimes
Reasons for this a) Corporations should know if they are recruiting, or have recruited characters found guilty of botting and/or associated with botting. Bots are a supplement to mains, so some other character is still benefiting from the bot. We should know who this is, because why shouldnt be able to be aware if we interact with a criminal, such as the sex offender registry
b) Players will know, without having to figure out and/or guess if a player was botting. If bots are marked, then players wishing to kill only bots will be able to make a cursory glance and punish those individuals further for their devious actions. this might be ganking, or just not interacting with them, or as boring as bumping them away from their destinations :
Now, this is the key to success with this program CCP will have to be absolutely sure of the character being marked, that they are infact guilty of botting, and therfore acting against the EULA, There should be no doubt what so ever as to the guilt of the marked character
It is already listed that characters found guilty of botting will be barred from the Character Bazzar, so we do not have to worry about purchasing a botted Character There were concerns about people being able to removed their marked status, and my answer to that is: There is no reason for this; if a character is marked as a bot, then your stuck with the consequences of your actions. As for the Sex offender registry example used earlier: If you commit the crime, then you will be known for yuor crime for life, why should you be able to hide from this?
Again, this comes back to CCP only marking characters that are guilty without a doubt
Also, as with other criminal offenses here in the real world, give them a benefit of the doubt for the 1st time with only a warning, maybe a few day ban, and a removal of assets and what not. Also you could reduce their security status, meaning that they will have to work their asses off to get back to empire and on the not so bad list again
However, if you are going to do it again, then shame on you. If CCP will not perma-ban you on the 2nd time, then you should be marked for it. Besides if you did it twice, why wont you try a 3rd time
As for anyone who will make the claim that some people are unaware of botting being against the EULA, then to you I say, Learn to Read or otherwise research your decisions. Botting is something that gives you an advantage over people who do not bot. If this were not illegal, then more people would do it and this game would be bots and PVP, therefore it wouldnt be an advantage anymore. If something gives you an advantage, then it is probably a glitch/cheat/ or against EULA or something. Someone else, somewhere else has already thought of it, so if it isnt comonplace, then somehing is wrong about it But anyways, to keep to the point: As summary Marked characters is a good thing for the rest of us. if your against this, then you are a botter and should quit doing it to aleviate those of you criminals that think you will be acused and marked even though what you are doing is wrong, but not botting, there should be a gaurentee that the mark will only be place on characters that have 0% doubt as to their guilt There might also be a warning before the mark for the idiots that for some reason had thought it was ok to bot. however if this is the case, let us all know... maybe we can all try botting 1 time until we get caught
The biggest concern for any of this: WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE CHARACTERS THAT ARE ASSCOCIATED TO BOTS? THE ONES THAT GAIN ALL THE ISK? ARE THEY ALSO BEING ADVERSLY AFFECTED? ATLEAST TAKING THEIR ASSETS? IF THEY HAVE A FLEET OF BOTS WORKING FOR THEM, THEN BANNING A FEW WILL JUST BE A SETBACK TO THEIR GREATER PLAN, SO THE CHARACTER IN QUESTION NEEDS PENALTIES AS WELL, OTHERWISE THE SAME OFFENDERS JUST COME BACK WITH A DIFFERNT NAME
This had to be caps so that it draws the attention to the real problem |
Spurty
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Fug reading that brain ache (Previous post).
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^^ some white space for you. Please apply liberally ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Ken Kyoukan
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:23:00 -
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My PoV...
Flagging should last for 1 day per qty of isk confirmed as botted.
I see the first flag as being kept reasonably quiet alongside Impounded ISK/Assets to allow further investigation and to allow for any accidental false positives (I would like to assume there were none, but always better to be safe than sorry.), prior to those ISK/Assets being removed from the game.
The second flag being the Scarlet Letter version.. A CEO or Director would automatically have their Corp Member Listing flagged for all of their fellow Corp and Alliance members upon getting the second flag.
Flag: 1a. Personal Character Info (Via NeoCom) shows as Flagged with a warning about future actions. 1b. Applications to Corps flagged for CEO/Directors/Recruiters as potential problem. 1c. Corp Member Listing flagged for that Corps CEO/Directors as potential problem. 1d. Impounded (and then removed) ISK/Assets.
2a. Personal Character Info (Via NeoCom) shows as Flagged with a final warning about being banned. 2b. Applications to Corps flagged. 2c. Corp Member Listing flagged for that Corps(/Alliances at CEO discression) members. 2d. Removed ISK/Asset.
During the second flag timer the following could also apply: 2e. Marked as Wanted (Reason being: Botting, Exploiting, etc.) - Scarlet Letter. 2f. No Concord Protection, upto -10 Sec Status. 2g. Flagged as a Militia target for every Militia.
3. Perma-Banned! |
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