There's plenty of other threads to post in about this. Leave mine alone PLEASE.

But I could argue that there are plenty of other deterrents in place. This one has the additional negative of also providing a disincentive for turning into a Good Guy, which is something we've been trying to prevent.

I think 'behave for a year and the letter goes away' is a decent enough incentive to straighten up and fly right.

Well, are the other deterrents working?

From the fanfest presentation, I see a lot of downward spikes on patch days, followed by a speedy return to 'business as usual' levels.

I think 'behave for a year and the letter goes away' is a decent enough incentive to straighten up and fly right.

As CCP were saying at fanfest, as people are saying about Mitts.

It's all about consequences.

You do something bad there are consequences, as long as it's made clear to people beforehand I say do it.

Scarlet Letters should be implemented, but not visible to all players.

These should only be visible to corp CEOs when a pilot has put in an application to the corporation. Something along the lines of a notice that the applicant has had strikes against their account for botting.

This allows conscientious CEOs to turn away players with whom they seek to prevent their corporation members from exchanging ISK with. I say this because botters tend to be notorious for a certain type of transaction which is not allowed. I don't think any CEO would want potentially dirty ISK being passed directly from a "marked" botter to their corp members through trades, contracts, or what have you. There's also the possibility that one player's knowledge of botting could easily be shared to others (I think, Darius, you are familiar with a certain Space Captain Schettino who crashed his corporation into the rocks by spreading knowledge of botting).

Lying about your intentions ("Oh I'm not joining this WH corp to clean out the hangars") is one thing, but being able to lie about actions taken against your account is another.

TL;DR - Strikes not visible to everyone, only CEO/Directors of corps when a player with strikes against their account applies to that corporation. This allows them to make smart decisions and not accept players they would not otherwise.

Scarlet Letters should be implemented, but not visible to all players.

These should only be visible to corp CEOs when a pilot has put in an application to the corporation. Something along the lines of a notice that the applicant has had strikes against their account for botting.

This allows conscientious CEOs to turn away players with whom they seek to prevent their corporation members from exchanging ISK with. I say this because botters tend to be notorious for a certain type of transaction which is not allowed. I don't think any CEO would want potentially dirty ISK being passed directly from a "marked" botter to their corp members through trades, contracts, or what have you. There's also the possibility that one player's knowledge of botting could easily be shared to others (I think, Darius, you are familiar with a certain Space Captain Schettino who crashed his corporation into the rocks by spreading knowledge of botting).

Lying about your intentions ("Oh I'm not joining this WH corp to clean out the hangars") is one thing, but being able to lie about actions taken against your account is another.

TL;DR - Strikes not visible to everyone, only CEO/Directors of corps when a player with strikes against their account applies to that corporation. This allows them to make smart decisions and not accept players they would not otherwise.

The only benefit that could come from this would be the resale value.

Three stars is bann so when selling a Char you look for no star chars.

Sreegs, I'd like to put my support behind the scarlet letter idea.

Why? Because it feels like Eve. No other reason.

In Eve's fictional background, AI research is strictly frowned upon due to its tendency to spontaneously assert sentience, mutilate its creators, and fly off to nowhere. It stands to reason that CONCORD would look very un-kindly upon attempting to automate not a simple drone, but a fully functional and tactically terrifying capsuleer warship. As such, CONCORD flags these individuals who irresponsibly surrender their ship controls to crude AI, and flags them for capsuleer termination in the name of maximum efficiency.

Wow Someone's crankey just posted here yes there is many threads but lack the blue mark from a ccp employee has posted
Fixed your post also thing called manners?

This is a pipe dream, and you guys keep protecting and trying to reform criminals are doing it at the expense of existing players and future participants in Eve as well.

You know what Facebook does when they take action? No appeal.

Google? No appeal.

The evidence needs to be solid, but if someone is botting, they need to be thrown out of the game because they are potentially ruining the experience for thousands of other players (butterfly effect and all that jazz).

Being familiar with how things work you know I'd just make a corp and publish the info using some really cool API app. :(

I agree with the spirit but the devil is in the implementation.

This would be a solution to the 'preventing them from becoming a good guy' problem. They indeed need to be publicly shamed for participating in the destruction of our market though.

oh and if we see some guy ratting in our 0.0 belts who logs out every time we enter system... we'd be able to report them easier if they were marked this way.

CCP's own deterrent isnt really enough. Does CCP monitor botters that have been caught on a regular basis? I really doubt it. But us players could.

I don't get it - who would shotgun apply to every corp in sight if their account was flagged for botting?

Being familiar with how things work you know I'd just make a corp and publish the info using some really cool API app. :(

I agree with the spirit but the devil is in the implementation.

The only benefit that could come from this would be the resale value.

Three stars is bann so when selling a Char you look for no star chars.

I don't mean that CEOs should be able to pop open someone's info and see their strikes.

I mean that when a player puts in their application to a corporation, the server checks for strikes, and if strikes exist, they are mentioned as a warning in the application management interface for the corp CEO/Directors.

The only time that a marked player would be standing on the gallows in the rain like Hester Prynne is when they put in their application to a specific corporation.

I'm not familiar with the current API, but I don't believe any fancy API apps currently allow you to see strikes against an account, so I assume that information is not publicly available.

If you you get what I'm saying.

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Yeah, that's exactly the idea.

So the flag would only be available upon application and not just generally to all CEOs? I may have missed that and this intrigues me.

Hi, welcome to over a week ago when it was announced that characters flagged for botting were bound to their account and unable to be sold.



Good post.

Yeah this now makes a buttload (sorry for the foul language) more sense. BUT LET'S NOT STOP HERE FOLKS

BUT LET'S NOT STOP HERE FOLKS