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Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:41:00 -
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And no one cares about the guys who sang their athemns. And some of their names were catually in power point. Quick! Maybe they want to commit suicide too! Go offer them to sue the scotish WH guy who ridiculed and humiliated them in public AND written their names(and corps) in power point. Im sure they want some attention too For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
147
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:43:00 -
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The sad part is that it probably was a pretty rough part of that guy's life and now a load of pubbies with agendas are making sure he relives it many times a day so they can flail around and try to get Mittens banned or w/e |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:48:00 -
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Well,I think it wasn't about some guy sending a private correspondence to a person threatening IRL consequences. The fact is that it was dug up and a CSM member told people present there and all who were watching to go ahead with griefing him. That's kinda harsh. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
147
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:55:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Well,I think it wasn't about some guy sending a private correspondence to a person threatening IRL consequences. The fact is that it was dug up and a CSM member told people present there and all who were watching to go ahead with griefing him. That's kinda harsh.
This is true, but think about how this all played out. He didn't even notice anything was up until people tried to talk to him about it today, which means that whatever ~almighty command~ Mittens issued during his presentation (which was on Friday) clearly didn't get much of an in-game response. Maybe a wardec, a few suicide ganks (which is business as usual for hisec ice miners), but nothing that made him really raise an eyebrow.
But then the wave of pubbie fury comes out and not only do people have to talk to him about it, they have to remind him of the mail, show him in detail that someone was making fun of him, drag out this crappy time in his life. He may never have even known about what happened if some opportunistic publord hadn't have submitted the story (lol) to Eurogamer in the first place and gotten these forums in a froth of self-righteous rage.
btw, I'm not criticizing you or anything for wanting to talk to him (though your part in the conversation shows pretty clearly what direction you wanted him to go), just sort of lamenting in general about how one drunken mistake got turned into a really ****** time for this guy just because some pubbies don't like Mittens. |
equcin meey
camdy and Co. inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:11:00 -
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think the wis needs to get a i with stupid t-shirt with the arrow pointing to the minttani lol support the Lego Rifter-á
http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/11619 |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:23:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Well,I think it wasn't about some guy sending a private correspondence to a person threatening IRL consequences. The fact is that it was dug up and a CSM member told people present there and all who were watching to go ahead with griefing him. That's kinda harsh. This is true, but think about how this all played out. He didn't even notice anything was up until people tried to talk to him about it today, which means that whatever ~almighty command~ Mittens issued during his presentation (which was on Friday) clearly didn't get much of an in-game response. Maybe a wardec, a few suicide ganks (which is business as usual for hisec ice miners), but nothing that made him really raise an eyebrow. But then the wave of pubbie fury comes out and not only do people have to talk to him about it, they have to remind him of the mail, show him in detail that someone was making fun of him, drag out this crappy time in his life. He may never have even known about what happened if some opportunistic publord hadn't have submitted the story (lol) to Eurogamer in the first place and gotten these forums in a froth of self-righteous rage. btw, I'm not criticizing you or anything for wanting to talk to him (though your part in the conversation shows pretty clearly what direction you wanted him to go), just sort of lamenting in general about how one drunken mistake got turned into a really ****** time for this guy just because some pubbies don't like Mittens. Good post.
I do agree things went to **** pretty quick. But I believe if Mittens had apologised right from the outset rather than just sayin 'deal with it!' things would've turned out much better for all of us.
I think it's not fair to put down every other comment in here as just pubbie rage or supercap nerf. People might genuinely feel they have been betrayed my someone who is supposed to represent our beloved spaceships.
I do not generalise goons and I'm a secret admirer of many of your corpies/allies posting prowess. Mittens slipped up and recovered too late. Instead of this just being another rant threadnaught grew into the steaming shitpile it is now.
Also,about the convo,the subject of me contacting him was to find out what was happening with him post fanfest. Although there's always room for improvement,I did the best I could. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
404
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:27:00 -
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sigh time to run the old locator agent and fit up a tornado......... |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:35:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Good post.
I do agree things went to **** pretty quick. But I believe if Mittens had apologised right from the outset rather than just sayin 'deal with it!' things would've turned out much better for all of us.
At the time he didn't remember actually giving the guy's name out, and that whole 'deal with it' etc was him thinking people were just raging about the subject matter. Whether or not you believe that is up to you.
Besides, I have my doubts it would have made a difference, given how many people are wholesale discounting his apology as it is.
Jake Warbird wrote:I think it's not fair to put down every other comment in here as just pubbie rage or supercap nerf. People might genuinely feel they have been betrayed my someone who is supposed to represent our beloved spaceships.
I do not generalise goons and I'm a secret admirer of many of your corpies/allies posting prowess. Mittens slipped up and recovered too late. Instead of this just being another rant threadnaught grew into the steaming shitpile it is now.
Sure, there's some of that I guess, but this entire thing was driven by other motives - if you doubt that, ask yourself why it took 2 or 3 days to even get going at all despite the fact that the panel was livestreamed and Youtube was up of it the next day. At first glance, a lot of people didn't care about it specifically, but when the possibility to actually have something done to Mittens for it came up, it went into the stratosphere. That's not a coincidence.
Jake Warbird wrote:Also,about the convo,the subject of me contacting him was to find out what was happening with him post fanfest. Although there's always room for improvement,I did the best I could.
You did seem to be fishing pretty hard for negativity, but w/e, given his answers, you'd have probably gotten them no matter what you said. I just hope people leave the poor bastard alone, since he's about the only actual innocent party in all of this (unless you think that writing a buttmad eve-mail 6 months ago is some heinous act, of course). |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:41:00 -
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The mail in question wasn't the problem. What transpired later however was. And I was only asking him what he thought about the Eve fanfest. Anyways, I guess you could put that down to perception.
But point made. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:23:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Yeah, it's a photoshop. When you add images together in photoshop, even if they're from the same source, unless you're really, really, really good at it, under high contrast and brightness sharp lines will appear differentiating the images. This is a normal EVE picture. http://i.imgur.com/ivcii.jpgHere it is under high contrast at a few different levels of brightness. http://imgur.com/popA5http://imgur.com/f0UUuNotice that the lines are fluid outside of the window breaks. Here's the publord's chatlog under high contrast and brightness. http://i.imgur.com/sbp9M.jpgLook at the sharp breaks within the window itself. Oopsie. Do a better job next time. Also make it so that you and the person you're talking to don't both sound like equally ******** illiterates. Oh you Geeeewns! First off,that snippet was taken with Hyperdesktop which uploads really low quality images. Plus I play with really low settings on my stupid computer. So comparing hires images to the low res is stupid. Secondly,if you want to check for doctoring of images,youd normally check the threshold levels. Not contrast/brightness/saturation which you did there. But go ahead and put this image http://i.imgur.com/CXEde.jpg through your failsafe method. These are the two combined http://i.imgur.com/7F2kz.jpgAfter threshold. http://i.imgur.com/dfWbk.jpgCheck the artifacts between the texts. If I did modify anything it would show up. I'm a freelance 3D artist by profession,so I know PS at some level. Also,considering the quality of your corp posting on here,I don't think you're in any position to judge my literacy or lack of it. Keep failing spectacularly,mate. Thats why we secretly love you!
Leaving this here in case more noobs decide to play photoshop. |
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:29:00 -
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I felt bad for him the moment i heard he had 10+ mackinaws himself. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
102
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:31:00 -
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I like his kill board and how he's taken out a number of orca's and other ships. I also like how his corp looks like a botting corp but his alliance has an alright KDR |
Alara IonStorm
1838
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:49:00 -
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Jafit wrote: Because apparently Eve-O thinks it's perfectly acceptable behaviour to threaten to commit suicide over a video game in order to make people feel bad about killing or scamming you, but if you laugh at that person for being a retarded drama queen, then you are literally Hitler It shouldn't be acceptable to threaten suicide and you should petition the convo if you think it is a threat or even if you think the person needs help.
The problem is telling a bunch of people to harass him. That is the only problem and anything else is just The Mittani bein a ****. I knew he was a **** when when I voted for him but singling out someones possible suicidal intentions and calling for harassing that person is wrong. It doesn't matter if you are 99.9% sure that he is just a drama queen and not an unstable person who is deeply affected by a video game when the result of the other 0.01% is a corpse.
So yeah if attacking someone in game within the rules leads to suicide then that is sad but not anyone's fault. If someone kills themselves because they were harassed by a group of people then your at blame.
It doesn't matter if The Wis was just being a drama queen because he might not have been. You don't know for absolute certain and are playing with a life. I think it might have been a slip up or a bad joke on The Mittani's part but there should be consequences be it his Chairmanship, his seat , his account or even a just reprimand.
I don't think it is okay to fake being suicidal or that players should be responsible for others players mental health but that isn't the issue. I don't dislike The Mittani, that is why I voted for him but what he did is wrong in my book and try as I might I can not get around that. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1319
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:46:00 -
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Jafit wrote:Quote:But if you look at it.. He had the powerpoint ready to go.. Was not something in a drunken stooper.. He had planned what he was going to say and more the likly rehurst it in front of a mirror.. This is pretty much the problem with all of this drama. People try to take one drunken throwaway comment and make it seem like he sat down and made a powerpoint presentation about how it's his alliance's sole goal in Eve to encourage players to commit suicide over a video game. The presentation was about laughing at stupid spergy drama queens who send angry mails and make rage posts over losing ships, and in my opinion there's nothing wrong with being amused by that kind of thing. But you know what, I'm having a hard time this morning. It's Tuesday morning, I'm in work, I haven't had any coffee yet, and now I have to avoid doing any work in order to read about idiots on the forums who are blowing something out of proportion. It's all getting too much and in fact I am considering KILLING MYSELF! Watch as everybody flocks to my side and attempts to talk me down from the ledge, telling me "we are all behind you, don't worry". Because apparently Eve-O thinks it's perfectly acceptable behaviour to threaten to commit suicide over a video game in order to make people feel bad about killing or scamming you, but if you laugh at that person for being a ******** drama queen, then you are literally ******
I watched the whole 1 hour 16 minute Alliance Panel presentation and agree with Jafit.
The Alliance CEO's of - Eve University, The Dark Space Initiative, Gentleman's Agreement and Dirt Nap Squad - gave a semi professional fun informative presentation of their Alliance history, it's stance and goals mixed in with some humor which is probably normal and expected.
The other Alliance CEO's - No Holes Barred, Test Alliance and Goonswarm - gave a pre-planned presentation based solely on the humiliation and sorrow they have inflicted on others in-game. Not only did they revel in it, their conduct as CSM members is unprofessional and demeaning. Being drunk doesn't excuse Test Alliance and Goonswarm CEO's constant use of foul language and aggressive belligerent attitude. The statement made by Goonswarm CEO, starting at 1:12:00 time stamp in the video, was definitely uncalled for and very spiteful. Everyone can plainly see it's not a causal drunken throwaway statement made in jest, especially with the related preamble at 1:01:36 to 1:04:50 video time stamp.
Not only that, trying to justify conduct that is a blatant disregard of EULA rules and CCP policy is pathetic, especially when you mock, mimic and try to ridicule the issue in your own statement.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:54:00 -
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Ty for the posts Jafit, Alara,DMC. I respect the Mittani and certain members of the swarm. But the way Goons posted about in any thread which was even asking the question was totally defensive and trollish. I mean,I shouldn't have expected anything more/less tbh. Oh well,it's out of our hands now. Time will tell. |
Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
243
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:13:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:[quote=Jafit] Because apparently Eve-O thinks it's perfectly acceptable behaviour to threaten to commit suicide over a video game in order to make people feel bad about killing or scamming you, but if you laugh at that person for being a retarded drama queen, then you are literally Hitler[/quote It shouldn't be acceptable to threaten suicide and you should petition the convo if you think it is a threat or even if you think the person needs help The problem is telling a bunch of people to harass him. That is the only problem and anything else is just The Mittani bein a ****. I knew he was a **** when when I voted for him but singling out someones possible suicidal intentions and calling for harassing that person is wrong. It doesn't matter if you are 99.9% sure that he is just a drama queen and not an unstable person who is deeply affected by a video game when the result of the other 0.01% is a corpse So yeah if attacking someone in game within the rules leads to suicide then that is sad but not anyone's fault. If someone kills themselves because they were harassed by a group of people then you're at blame It doesn't matter if The Wis was just being a drama queen because he might not have been. You don't know for absolute certain and are playing with a life. I think it might have been a slip up or a bad joke on The Mittani's part but there should be consequences be it his Chairmanship, his seat , his account or even a just reprimand I don't think it is okay to fake being suicidal or that players should be responsible for others players mental health but that isn't the issue. I don't dislike The Mittani, that is why I voted for him but what he did is wrong in my book and try as I might I can not get around that. Indeed. Playing around with this kind of stuff is not smart. Just look at the Rutgers Univ. cyberbullying case. That dumb 18 or 19 year old kid is going to prison for up to 10 years. Or consider the many other cyberbullying cases that have ended up badly in the past few years. Whatever one's opinion is about griefing/tear-collecting, people ought to at least have enough sense to not get their ignorant arses into legal trouble. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
409
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:14:00 -
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All I can say is that his spelling is terrible, he ought to be ashamed.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1116
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:32:00 -
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Please do not create multiple threads about the same topic, thank you.
Thread locked. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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