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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
441
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:09:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Quote:and, where did i accuse you of being a bot? my apologies if I did, didn't mean to (although calling you a socpuppet is still fair game). Aren't they pretty much synonyms? Whatever, it's irrelevant.
A sockpuppet is a new char created by an experienced player in order to hide their identity.
In the case of Mittani-haters, it's usually someone from one of the nullsec corps that goons are const at war with or one of the playesr who were using illegal bot sto play the game for them -- Mittani lead a army against them a while back, and the fat bastards will never forgive us for it.
A bot is someone who doesn't like EVE enough to actually bother playing it themselves, but still wants to be a rich internet spaceships pilot and generally ruin the game for everyone else in the name of their own e-peen.
You can see a majority of the former in the 100 page thread ranting about how mean Mittani is, they keep posting, over and over, making up crap like how PVPing in a video game is actually illegal cyber bullying and other stupid crap |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
79
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:10:00 -
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Xython wrote:So apparently since Dear Leader's real name is known, some pubbies have taken it upon themselves to, well, stalk him. Including threatening his freaking dog.
The hell?
Seriously. This is beyond the pale, even for you NPC corp cowards. Keep your little impotent rage in game where it belongs, using the fact that Mittani's real name is known to stalk and harass him and his family is just going too far.
We get it, you don't like Goons. Scaring a man's family and threatening an innocent animal? For shame.
I can't believe I'm agreeing with a goon. Threats are stupid and uncalled for. If you have a problem with the guy, go figure out how to gank his internet spaceships.
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:11:00 -
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This is not out of the realm of possibility.
There are a lot of people out there willing to exploit this incident to get rid of mittens.
I also do not doubt that there are some sick individuals out there who cannot distinguish that just because he messed up and said something hurtful to someone else, that it's not okay for them to harass him in real life. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:11:00 -
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Xython wrote:So apparently since Dear Leader's real name is known, some pubbies have taken it upon themselves to, well, stalk him. Including threatening his freaking dog.
The hell?
Seriously. This is beyond the pale, even for you NPC corp cowards. Keep your little impotent rage in game where it belongs, using the fact that Mittani's real name is known to stalk and harass him and his family is just going too far.
We get it, you don't like Goons. Scaring a man's family and threatening an innocent animal? For shame.
HTFU pubbie |
Ai Shun
423
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:11:00 -
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Xython wrote:So apparently since Dear Leader's real name is known, some pubbies have taken it upon themselves to, well, stalk him. Including threatening his freaking dog.
The hell?
Seriously. This is beyond the pale, even for you NPC corp cowards. Keep your little impotent rage in game where it belongs, using the fact that Mittani's real name is known to stalk and harass him and his family is just going too far.
We get it, you don't like Goons. Scaring a man's family and threatening an innocent animal? For shame.
Send proof of this to CCP. They can hand out appropriate bans and deal with it. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
588
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:28:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Xython wrote:So apparently since Dear Leader's real name is known, some pubbies have taken it upon themselves to, well, stalk him. Including threatening his freaking dog.
The hell?
Seriously. This is beyond the pale, even for you NPC corp cowards. Keep your little impotent rage in game where it belongs, using the fact that Mittani's real name is known to stalk and harass him and his family is just going too far.
We get it, you don't like Goons. Scaring a man's family and threatening an innocent animal? For shame. Send proof of this to CCP. They can hand out appropriate bans and deal with it. Someone threatening his dog IRL is outside of CCPs jurisdiction, sadly.
All he can do is call the police and file a report.
Unless the person called him on his space phone to threaten his space dog, then it might be a CCP issue. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:32:00 -
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~Deal with it~
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Zora'e
Nasty Pope
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:41:00 -
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People who would stalk or make threats to someone in real life over an online game need serious serious psychological help (starting with a straight jacket and a lifetime supply of Thorazine). Doesn't matter who started it or said what to who or even who pissed in who-evers corn flakes. It's a game. You play it on the Internet. Keep it there. In EVE Online...-á-áA Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3563
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:45:00 -
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weat bix wrote:Xython wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Given the amount of lying, propaganda, ulterior motives, conspiracy accusations, etc. regarding this whole event, what's to say this claim of RL harassment isn't just an attempt to garner sympathy from the playerbase?
Not that I genuinely think it is, but after you've cried wolf a few times... Someone who is confirmed to know Mittani IRL mentioned it offhand on another forum, specifically the threats towards the family dog. I prob shouldn't have discussed it without checking if it was ok, but the idea of someone taking this crap outside of the game... ******* crazy. And going after a pet? That's just beyond the pale. Is your ice miner bot accoutn really worth that much? and again no proof of anything happening as your alliance is known as scamers and liers, why would we belive anything any of you have to say
Well then, get the **** out of the CFC. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:51:00 -
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weat bix wrote: and again no proof of anything happening as your alliance is known as scamers and liers, why would we belive anything any of you have to say
Cause out of +8000 members, one would assume that a good number are there just to play pirate and are not extreme like the 30 or so that tollollol the threads. Take at benefit of the doubt, sort out the truth when it comes out, don't hand over isk to join a corp. |
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Ai Shun
423
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:56:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Someone threatening his dog IRL is outside of CCPs jurisdiction, sadly. All he can do is call the police and file a report. Unless the person called him on his space phone to threaten his space dog, then it might be a CCP issue.
If it is connected to an in-game activity, CCP may not be able to do anything about it in terms of protecting him or his dog, but they can make damn sure the ****-head that does / did that is banned. |
Rikanin
Azerick Holdings The Paganism Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:58:00 -
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Xython wrote:So apparently since Dear Leader's real name is known, some pubbies have taken it upon themselves to, well, stalk him. Including threatening his freaking dog.
The hell?
Seriously. This is beyond the pale, even for you NPC corp cowards. Keep your little impotent rage in game where it belongs, using the fact that Mittani's real name is known to stalk and harass him and his family is just going too far.
We get it, you don't like Goons. Scaring a man's family and threatening an innocent animal? For shame.
IF this is really happening...it's wrong.
But don't spend your every waking in-game moment scamming, griefing and trolling every thread on this forum and expect anybody with any brains at all to believe ONE SINGLE WORD that ANY OF YOU say. Where the forums are concerned...goons are trolls and if this weren't happening to one of YOUR guys...you and your ilk would be all over this like flies on **** so spare us your indignant disbelief that it's finally coming back around.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
588
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:02:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Someone threatening his dog IRL is outside of CCPs jurisdiction, sadly. All he can do is call the police and file a report. Unless the person called him on his space phone to threaten his space dog, then it might be a CCP issue. If it is connected to an in-game activity, CCP may not be able to do anything about it in terms of protecting him or his dog, but they can make damn sure the ****-head that does / did that is banned. He didn't violate the EULA/TOS by making a phone call. Its none of CCPs business, from a legal stand point, and they could be sued for said banning in some countries as a result.
Wish it were not true, but it is. Prencleeve got banned for posting Mittens' real info on the forums, but had he not done that to try and prove to everyone that he wasn't bluffing, CCP could not have done anything(tho Mittens could have filed charges for stalking/harassment with the civil authorities).
CCP has ZERO power of what players do to each other IRL, and cannot hold people accountable for that action. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
588
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:04:00 -
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Rikanin wrote:Xython wrote:So apparently since Dear Leader's real name is known, some pubbies have taken it upon themselves to, well, stalk him. Including threatening his freaking dog.
The hell?
Seriously. This is beyond the pale, even for you NPC corp cowards. Keep your little impotent rage in game where it belongs, using the fact that Mittani's real name is known to stalk and harass him and his family is just going too far.
We get it, you don't like Goons. Scaring a man's family and threatening an innocent animal? For shame. IF this is really happening...it's wrong. But don't spend your every waking in-game moment scamming, griefing and trolling every thread on this forum and expect anybody with any brains at all to believe ONE SINGLE WORD that ANY OF YOU say. Where the forums are concerned...goons are trolls and if this weren't happening to one of YOUR guys...you and your ilk would be all over this like flies on **** so spare us your indignant disbelief that it's finally coming back around. Give one(1) example of goons attacking someones IRL dog or wife over something in EVE.
Closest I know of is FC who had power shut off to his house mid-fight, and I think BOB was behind it(tho I could be completely mistaken, I didn't follow eve politics back then) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
406
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:06:00 -
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Roime wrote:I obviously don't approve taking things out to RL, but on Earth you do reap what you saw
~ deal with it ~
I tend to saw wood, often with a jig saw, does this mean I reap sawdust? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Rikanin
Azerick Holdings The Paganism Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:10:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Rikanin wrote:Xython wrote:So apparently since Dear Leader's real name is known, some pubbies have taken it upon themselves to, well, stalk him. Including threatening his freaking dog.
The hell?
Seriously. This is beyond the pale, even for you NPC corp cowards. Keep your little impotent rage in game where it belongs, using the fact that Mittani's real name is known to stalk and harass him and his family is just going too far.
We get it, you don't like Goons. Scaring a man's family and threatening an innocent animal? For shame. IF this is really happening...it's wrong. But don't spend your every waking in-game moment scamming, griefing and trolling every thread on this forum and expect anybody with any brains at all to believe ONE SINGLE WORD that ANY OF YOU say. Where the forums are concerned...goons are trolls and if this weren't happening to one of YOUR guys...you and your ilk would be all over this like flies on **** so spare us your indignant disbelief that it's finally coming back around. Give one(1) example of goons attacking someones IRL dog or wife over something in EVE. Closest I know of is FC who had power shut off to his house mid-fight, and I think BOB was behind it(tho I could be completely mistaken, I didn't follow eve politics back then)
I'm not referring to the alleged RL harassment - I'm referring to goons attempting to make serious posts on a forum which they regularly troll and expecting to be believed.
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:16:00 -
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Xython wrote:
You can see a majority of the former in the 100 page thread ranting about how mean Mittani is, they keep posting, over and over, making up crap like how PVPing in a video game is actually illegal cyber bullying and other stupid crap
Would that be the thread in which you make several dozen posts claiming the Mittani did nothing wrong at all and that his comments were fine, before instantly changing your tune to fall in with the party line the moment he issued his 'apology'? I mean, it's not like you would post the same empty crap over and over is it? |
Devie Viviem
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:17:00 -
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[quote=Xython]
b. The fact that people can't quite figure out there's a diff between "Mittani" and "The guy playing EVE who call shimself Mittani" is really kinda sad.[/quote
^^ Which one was on stage calling for a grief attack in the hopes of having another player commit suicide
Other than that, I agree with you on your initial accounts. No player should be stalked in real life.
That said, are you seriously trying to tell the general EvE population to stop being mean to the guy that blatantly called for someone to be pestered...to death?
Seriously, back that memorex tape up in your head, and play it again
The thing that bothers me the most is CCP's slow, and awful response. This should be done already. They need to seriously overhaul fanfest. When this gets to mainstream media (not geek gamers blogs) the excrement will hit the rotary device
The fact that CCP damage control was discussing an EvE Crisis Hotline....has anyone heard of this? Is it in the help menu? I cant even find a Google link... someone type suicide in local, maybe a GM or DEV gets online, Dunno Maybe Aura knows
Don't mistake this rant for taking the issue lightly. I don't expect to see the name Mittani in EvE again, much less CSM. Regardless about how the drones may feel about him, he screwed up...badly. I don't care if it was Cyvok, Blacklight, or any other alliance leader now or then.
As for the dog, maybe Madison PD can put him in protective custody. Hes an innocent bystander in all this. Leave the dog alone
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3572
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:20:00 -
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Devie Viviem wrote:That said, are you seriously trying to tell the general EvE population to stop being mean to the guy that blatantly called for someone to be pestered...to death?
His drunken comment does not legitimize real-life threats and harassment against him. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Devie Viviem
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:25:00 -
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Oh,
I didn't realize alcohol was involved...
all is forgiven. |
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:26:00 -
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Andski wrote:Devie Viviem wrote:That said, are you seriously trying to tell the general EvE population to stop being mean to the guy that blatantly called for someone to be pestered...to death? His drunken comment does not legitimize real-life threats and harassment against him.
Which is fine because there haven't been any that have followed from his comments, despite this threads manipulative attempt to imply otherwise. Read up and it turns out that the threats were in the past and are completely unconnected to the present issues. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
589
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:42:00 -
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Quote:I'm not referring to the alleged RL harassment - I'm referring to goons attempting to make serious posts on a forum which they regularly troll and expecting to be believed. Ok, can't argue with that one.
Quote:The fact that CCP damage control was discussing an EvE Crisis Hotline....has anyone heard of this? Is it in the help menu? I cant even find a Google link... someone type suicide in local, maybe a GM or DEV gets online, Dunno Maybe Aura knows Its actually a GM procedure, in any petition that has certain key phrases and trains of thought(and the line 'I am gonna kill myself if x doesn't happen' is not one of those flags).
Most customer service professionals get similar training, both in recognizing real situations and in handling them(usually handing the issue off to a professional counselor) especially in the MMO business because people take their games WAY too seriously.
I know of a petition(in a game that will not be named) where the player was going on how horde was evil and how could they ever be allowed to win, and trying to defeat their evil empire in the mighty alliance was the only hope he had left since his sister died in his arms. He did not once say he was gonna kill himself, but I know the cops were at his house within hours. THAT is a MMOs suicide hotline, the fact that the GMs are trained to recognize and respond to legit suicide issues instead of 'I'm gonna kill myself because my stuff blew up and goons are meanieheads'(which may sound familiar if you read the post that was shared at fanfest).
99.9% of suicide threats are actually emotional blackmail. Real suicides don't advertise because they want to succeed, and if you don't want to succeed you are not going to actually do it. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Devie Viviem
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:55:00 -
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99.9% of suicide threats are actually emotional blackmail. Real suicides don't advertise because they want to succeed, and if you don't want to succeed you are not going to actually do it.
^^ You are a bit off base with that one.
Any suicide threat is a cry for help, and ignoring them is a very bad idea. Sometimes they do post up, or show obvious signs of distress...and they do go through with it. You should be helping anyone you see or know showing signs or symptoms of this kind of depression, and assuming it is just "emotional blackmail" is flat out callous. |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:03:00 -
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Devie Viviem wrote:Oh,
I didn't realize alcohol was involved...
all is forgiven.
That comment, even sober, does not justify RL threats of violence against someone, especially . |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:09:00 -
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Devie Viviem wrote:99.9% of suicide threats are actually emotional blackmail. Real suicides don't advertise because they want to succeed, and if you don't want to succeed you are not going to actually do it.
^^ You are a bit off base with that one.
Any suicide threat is a cry for help, and ignoring them is a very bad idea. Sometimes they do post up, or show obvious signs of distress...and they do go through with it. You should be helping anyone you see or know showing signs or symptoms of this kind of depression, and assuming it is just "emotional blackmail" is flat out callous.
Most pre suicides do put out signs for help. They are either by, as you said, threats of it or by things such as generosity. Giving possessions and the like. Many times ranting about it is a means of release of tension. It is why they tell depressed and stressed people to talk about it. Just saying it relieves the issue. The writing of that letter when written doesn't even read to be that. It is worded like somebody who is working through issues and asking not to have the situation agrivated. However in the event of a vent, it can be pretty much the last bit of keeping it together. Harassment or taunting doesn't receive a response, and then it progresses to the 99.9%.
Threats of suicide is sort of the last step before that. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
333
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:18:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Roime wrote:I obviously don't approve taking things out to RL, but on Earth you do reap what you saw
~ deal with it ~
I tend to saw wood, often with a jig saw, does this mean I reap sawdust?
Cheers, fixed :D
Those faggots who cross the line in the name of revenge and threaten are even bigger assholes and should be permabanned.
But still it's true that actions have consequences, whether the consequences are a justified or not is irrelevant, when you can easily avoid them by not being an ******* to others in the first place.
Good deeds and bad deeds backfire sooner or later, it's up to us which ones we prefer.
This is actually my last post on the Suicidegate.
He posted an apology to the public and to the victim and admitted his mistake, it's all good. I hope it didn't hurt CCP too much, and I hope this incident helps to draw the line.
Fly dangerous o7 |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
58
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:19:00 -
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Xython wrote:So apparently since Dear Leader's real name is known, some pubbies have taken it upon themselves to, well, stalk him. Including threatening his freaking dog.
The hell?
Seriously. This is beyond the pale, even for you NPC corp cowards. Keep your little impotent rage in game where it belongs, using the fact that Mittani's real name is known to stalk and harass him and his family is just going too far.
We get it, you don't like Goons. Scaring a man's family and threatening an innocent animal? For shame.
The irony is that they really will be banned for life and probably face criminal charges too. |
Asuka Yuzaki
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:21:00 -
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Goon tears how sweet :) |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:26:00 -
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Devie Viviem wrote:99.9% of suicide threats are actually emotional blackmail. Real suicides don't advertise because they want to succeed, and if you don't want to succeed you are not going to actually do it.
^^ You are a bit off base with that one.
Any suicide threat is a cry for help, and ignoring them is a very bad idea. Sometimes they do post up, or show obvious signs of distress...and they do go through with it. You should be helping anyone you see or know showing signs or symptoms of this kind of depression, and assuming it is just "emotional blackmail" is flat out callous.
Send me all your ISK or I'll kill myself
Ignoring this would be a very bad idea |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:28:00 -
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Im going to run for the CSM next year on the ticket of publicly molesting Mittans on stage at fanfest next year.
And also getting the CCP playerbase to go on diets and start shaving properly
I hoping to gain a lot of support
Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
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