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Gatedeath
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Gatedeath on 12/09/2008 19:49:11 Battleships are so dispposable today, as to not even be considerd a loss when they get blown up. Provided you had it insured. UYou just keep dying over and over, get anothe rBS, head back to the blob, loos another BS. so on and so forth.
These days, people are not limited by ISK how many battlehsips they own, but more like how long it takes them to transport thier 10 battleships to the battle area.
I suggest tripling the cost of all ships. With no insureance adjustment to compensate for the incresed cost. This will make daying HURT again. IT will remove the massive BS blobs. It will screw up OP remote rep gangs.
This of course includes all cap ships as well. Those should be devestating demoralizing losses that sap your will to live. Make carriers cost at least 2 billion. Dreads should cost 3-4 billion isk.
This would also help reduce cap blob warfare.
Dying should be so painfull, and disrupting, that you shouldnt just be wandering back to combat one after another in a fully fitted T2 BS that cost you all of 20 mil isk.
Put the bite back in loosing again pls CCP.
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:50:00 -
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I agree with the NC alt.
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Blastrodamus
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gatedeath
....in a fully fitted T2 BS that cost you all of 20 mil isk.
for the love of god please tell me where i can get a T2 BS for 20 mil.
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Will Barton
NorCorp Security Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Will Barton on 12/09/2008 19:54:39 yeeeeeright
Now tell me... didnt we want to encurage pvp in this game? You apparently dont grasp the fact that for those players that isnt "powergamers", or "alarmclock players" as NC like to call us using hours with ratting to replace a bs is BS when all we want to do the few hours we are on are to PvP?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gatedeath
Battleships are so dispposable today This will make daying HURT again.
Put the bite back in loosing again pls CCP.
simple question, what changed to make dying not hurt anymore.
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Lady Valory
Caldari Caldari Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:59:00 -
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You could shut off the isk faucets like ratting and level four missions...
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snaike
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:59:00 -
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I dearly wish I was one of these players who could throw battleships away at an opponent like one would throw pennies at a homeless feller to make him go away. I dunno, maybe the fact that, after 2 years of play, I don't have a multi-billion isk wallet would suggest I suck at Eve, but then I don't enjoy grinding isk, nor do I have the time/money for an isk***** account.
I play for pvp, and pvp is damn expensive, even when you don't die all that much (touches wood). If my losses were to hurt me in the way you would like them to, I simply would not bother playing, and ccp would lose my ú's.
Don't get me wrong, despite that last sentance this isn't a 'omgzz ccp dnt change stuffz or I will quit' I'm simply relaying to you the reality of the situation for many players. When I lose a battleship, or indeed any ship, I feel a pang of regret for the hit my wallet must subsequently sustain; and I'm sure Im not the only one.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gatedeath Dying should be so painfull, and disrupting, that you shouldnt just be wandering back to combat one after another in a fully fitted T2 BS that cost you all of 20 mil isk.
Put the bite back in loosing again pls CCP.
Honestly, dying does hurt to those of us who don't have an appetite to rat all day and night. 20M ISK is like running a mission or two. Ugh.
OTOH, Lemme see them pretty 'splosions, hubba hubba!
-Liang --
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Lady Valory
Caldari Caldari Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:08:00 -
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snaike, pvp wouldnt be so expensive if you weren't constantly outclassed by multi-billionaires who can throw away ships like water...
let's face it the "economic war of attrition" has gotten out of hand as many good pvpers are like you... What I mean, is there is so much free isk and so much stockpiles of ships and insurance that people can just overwhelm your pvp skills by losing 10 ships to your one, and they still just laugh and get a new ship. I don't like that, and I hope you don't either...
In other words, you wouldn't be so outclassed if there weren't endless parades of expensive ships for the rich to play with...
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:15:00 -
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Erm, not realy.
Whatever you might think, dying still hurts, unless you're a t1 stock monkey, thus 50% less effective than the rest of your group.
I realy don't see ppl not being affraid of dying or saying who cares, I'll get insurance back, I don't know what you're on about Boink! |
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Dzajic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:15:00 -
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And if you nerf L4s rich will keep their billions of ISK and new players would need to spend ages to earn for a single well fit BC or BS. (several hours of missioning for a single ship you can loose in 5 minutes is already a huge time sing as it is now)
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:18:00 -
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i don't like that idea. that would discourage pvp.
as it is, alot of pilots are still scared of losing their ships even though BS's are cheap as borscht.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:21:00 -
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here is the hard truth, it takes about 4 hours of level 4 missions to replace 20 million isk. Unless you already have billions of isk to spend on super mission running ships and tech 2 gear that own missions quickly. And players don't have that when they start out. Until after grinding those missions. Players should be allowed to not lose as much money after working for weeks, or months to become that stable.
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Lady Valory
Caldari Caldari Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:22:00 -
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Well, I agree that the problem is deeper than the solutions here and does give out more problems such as people with billions of isk and now ships are hard to come by, so new people or current poor pvpers are way disadvantaged...
So that begs the real question... How close are we approaching system failure where the fake world of eve and its economy are totally out of whack?
Also what in game signs economically are we seeing that said game is out of whack?
On the other side, a t2 fitted tier3 t1 cruiser (like a rupture with t2 fit) is still a decent ship...
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Gorki Andropov
FKL Combine
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:23:00 -
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Time to raise the cost of poasting by 2 or 3 timre. Gatedeath. Make poasting HURT.
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Holy Lowlander
Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:24:00 -
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yeah make it impossible for a noob to get a BS wooohoo !! or cruiser . or tier 3 frigate even !! =D
lets also reduce the amount of isk in people's wallets by 80 % !
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Plim
Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:34:00 -
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How about we add 100% more grind? And maybe 100% less players.
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Artemis Rose on 12/09/2008 20:36:57
Originally by: MotherMoon make pvp hurt for my enemy, they're too rich
Personally, I think the OP was trying to say this.
The door swings both ways, you can hop in and replace battleships "like nothing" just as well as your enemy does.
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Gatedeath
Battleships are so dispposable today This will make daying HURT again. Put the bite back in loosing again pls CCP.
simple question, what changed to make dying not hurt anymore.
The Massive Increase to Insurance periods from the original 2 week limit.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Gatedeath
Battleships are so dispposable today This will make daying HURT again. Put the bite back in loosing again pls CCP.
simple question, what changed to make dying not hurt anymore.
The Massive Increase to Insurance periods from the original 2 week limit.
ah see I was not aware of this. Maybe the periods should just be lowered again.
don't see how this would change anything though. just make the isk sink bigger on people that can stay alive.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose Edited by: Artemis Rose on 12/09/2008 20:36:57
Originally by: MotherMoon make pvp hurt for my enemy, they're too rich
Personally, I think the OP was trying to say this.
The door swings both ways, you can hop in and replace battleships "like nothing" just as well as your enemy does.
I see that puts a twist on it.
but I don't think this is the answer, however your right something should be done, but what shouldn't older players who have worked for more money be able to replace more ships?
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Kritinana
Minmatar Jackie Treehorn Productions
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:10:00 -
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Problem: dieing has become inconsequential for me and i'm bored because of it.
Solution: Fly nothing but full faction fit Mach's. Not only would this solve your problem but it'd also erect your epeen.
regarding 'turning off' the isk faucets, riiiggght. The game would eventually grind to a hault. With the only available activities being pvp or mining eve becomes an ultimate game of 'last man standing' untill he/she is the only person on the server sitting in station gawking at all their pretty stuffz.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:15:00 -
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Or they could just fix insurance so it wasn't so rediculous...
Just a thought.
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Furb Killer
Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:17:00 -
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So you want to encourage blobs? (more expensive ships -> people more afraid to lose them -> people run more unless they got really large blob -> even larger blob -> hamsters die -> you are responsible for death of hamsters.
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Strak Yogorn
Amarr Farmer Killers
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:18:00 -
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seems trolls arent even trying anymore.. sad
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Kurlieu
Gallente The Ore House
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:20:00 -
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Alrighty then, I'll simply triple the selling price on all the battleships I make and you can buy them from me, if that will please you.
This will be especially good since you've made no provision to raise any of my material/modules/production costs.
I see what you're driving at, but you've really offered no solution. I can't see as you've really specified the true nature of the problem either.
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Atlas Oracle
Minmatar Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:22:00 -
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i lost my beloved drake in an L3 mission (blockade) last night due to my computer crashing while i had aggro :(
it hurt. bad. real bad.
it will take me a very long time to make back 80 million ISK to buy and fit a new one.
ps - DO NOT ask me if it was insured.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:34:00 -
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Remove loot from high sec.
Remove bounty from no sec.
Keep both in low sec.
Remove insurance in no sec.
There you have plenty of regulating factors for both the economy and the personal hurt.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Valory You could shut off the isk faucets like ratting and level four missions...
dont you mean...isk fountains? _____________________
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Remove loot from high sec.
Remove bounty from no sec.
Keep both in low sec.
Remove insurance in no sec.
There you have plenty of regulating factors for both the economy and the personal hurt.
GTC FTW ...
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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