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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:44:00 -
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I like to pvp....
I dont like to grind for isk...
GTC for the win... if one cant grind *painfully* for isk anymore...
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:46:00 -
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One word for you, Dysporium. For a few entities, handing out battleships has become like handing out frigs. Carriers are the new cruisers.
Calculate out how many battleships you can buy and fit from one Dyspo moon per month. It's impressive.
You can trace it all back to the opening up of the T2 market with invention.
To balance it all out, they need to introduce the counterpart to invention in moon mining. That would be the ability to inefficiently mine rares from common moons that only becomes viable above a certain price point. That will smooth it back out.
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Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kritinana Problem: dieing has become inconsequential for me and i'm bored because of it.
Solution: Fly nothing but full faction fit Mach's. Not only would this solve your problem but it'd also erect your epeen.
regarding 'turning off' the isk faucets, riiiggght. The game would eventually grind to a hault. With the only available activities being pvp or mining eve becomes an ultimate game of 'last man standing' untill he/she is the only person on the server sitting in station gawking at all their pretty stuffz.
Do you seriously think the OP isn't aware of your "solution." He isn't asking for help with the personal problem that his death is insignificant...it's death in general. The "for me" you inserted and changed the meaning of the problem...so you're solving a problem that's not part of the OP's question. Basically it's like saying "don't dupe ISK" if someone pointed out an ISK duping problem in EVE.
Anyway, while the faucets shouldn't be turned off, they should certainly be squeezed. Market taxes should be increased, insurance should be reduced...maybe 100% for the first ship, 9% for the second, and so forth down to some minimum insurance that you can buy (base insurance should be 0).
Death in a frigate is already about as meaningful as death in WoW, possibly less so as you are instantly teleported back to a station where you can get a new ship...where as in wow you have to walk to your corpse to respawn. Soon death in a battleship will be the same way and part of eve's uniqueness will be gone. Whoops
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Asuka SoryuLangley
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Asuka SoryuLangley on 12/09/2008 21:54:53
Stupid thread. Let it die by simpling not replying at it.
Just a note: if one is a farmer and got 100 bs, why it should hurt me too that can play just 1 hour a day? Playing 1 hour a day it mean that i can barely get 1 bs every week... assuming that i can make 20 millions in a hour and considering that i need the cost of the fittings and insurance too and that means that for 1 week i have to pve only, collettin money to buy a ship that could require 1 minute to loose.
So why should i sit in a frigate just 'couse YOU have too much isks? And btw if you T2 fit it, i cannot see how can you fall in a loop where you loose and buy the ship with the insurance's money....
So stupid thread... so stupid....
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Danton Marcellus Remove loot from high sec.
Remove bounty from no sec.
Keep both in low sec.
Remove insurance in no sec.
There you have plenty of regulating factors for both the economy and the personal hurt.
GTC FTW ...
How does the GTC hold any relevance to my suggested changes for the betterment of the game?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.09.12 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gatedeath *drivel*
TBH, I think that this is a troll post, if it wasn't then you would have replied by now.
Not everyone can, as you put it, have 10 BS in transport (or even afford to replace their pride and joy).
If you can, then its you that needs to get a grip on the realities of ship loss in EVE, and not spam the forums with more useless junk about your frustration.
K, thx, bye bye. --
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Gatedeath
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Posted - 2008.09.12 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Gatedeath *drivel*
TBH, I think that this is a troll post, if it wasn't then you would have replied by now.
Not everyone can, as you put it, have 10 BS in transport (or even afford to replace their pride and joy).
If you can, then its you that needs to get a grip on the realities of ship loss in EVE, and not spam the forums with more useless junk about your frustration.
K, thx, bye bye.
here is y our reply. :P I was busy at work so I havent had time to get back to the thread. since I do my trolling from work. :P
For real though. I can make the cash to fully outfit a T2 BS in about. an hour. Once you get the ball rolling, and have insurance on your ships, it takes next to nothing to keep that ball rolling.
The only solutions I see are to eithe make ships more expensive, or nerf the crap out of insurance.
I would like to see cap ships take REAL work to get, and keep. Those loses should be particulary hard on people. Id like to see battlecruisers become the new BS's.
Those who dont want to work for isk are just lazy imo.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:03:00 -
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Remove insurance, or nerf it severely.
Many people posting to say they don't want to have to grind even more; well then fly smaller ships. The problem is that larger and larger ships are becoming disposable. Increase the cost of dying and PvP won't become more expensive, people (including you) can simply choose to fly smaller ships. Bringing a BS will mean something again.
Of course you run T2 fits, but if those fits cost, say, five times more, well, which is more effective, 1 T2 fit battleship or 5 T1 fit battleships? -
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Many people posting to say they don't want to have to grind even more; well then fly smaller ships.
This.
I'm seriously sick of the 'I have to have 10 battleships' attitude. No, you don't.
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Leviathan9 on 12/09/2008 23:19:16
Originally by: Gatedeath Dying should be so painfull, and disrupting, that you shouldnt just be wandering back to combat one after another in a fully fitted T2 BS that cost you all of 20 mil isk.
Put the bite back in loosing again pls CCP.
I already lose 100mil or so when i lose a Mega. 80mil for ship, 100mil in fittings (t2) plus 31mil to insure fully. Lose it get 100mil from insurance. Gain back the price of the ship, lose... 140mil or so. ----------------------------
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:21:00 -
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I aggree with this well thought out idea. Time is not Money and minerals i mine are free!! |
Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:21:00 -
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Losing a fully T2 fit and rigged battleship does hurt ... means I have to grind for ISK ... and I **hate** doing that. I don't throw ships away ... hell with that.
And the day my Astarte costs 300m or my Deimos costs 150m is the day I quit this game ... dying hurts enough. =/
OP is fail. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO) |
Aquidus Nefron
Caldari Department of Defence
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:23:00 -
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:25:00 -
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GTC ftw, if you want to waste RL cash on imaginary money, i can sell you some monopoly money i have somewhere, seriously i feel sry for people that buy and sell GTCs. Time is not Money and minerals i mine are free!! |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Leviathan9 I already lose 100mil or so when i lose a Mega. 80mil for ship, 100mil in fittings (t2) plus 31mil to insure fully. Lose it get 100mil from insurance. Gain back the price of the ship, lose... 140mil or so.
OP's point only applies to T1 fits. That he mentioned T2 fits was either an accident or stupidity. Nonetheless it holds for T1 fits. -
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Fay Valentyne
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.12 23:57:00 -
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another lefty heard from. ships are player made so the market sets the price ccp has nothing to do with it. anyone who wants to pay more for ships can come to 0.0 and buy them there.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.09.13 00:02:00 -
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Remove insurance. Kills are meaningless now. Ships are dirt cheap, insurance pays more than you paid for the ship+insurance in some cases these days. T2 fittings dirt cheap, rigs dirt cheap. What do you take away from someone when you kill them now? Pretty much nothing.
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Trathen
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.13 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Trathen on 13/09/2008 00:09:38
Originally by: Gatedeath
The only solutions I see are to eithe make ships more expensive, or nerf the crap out of insurance.
I would like to see cap ships take REAL work to get, and keep. Those loses should be particulary hard on people. Id like to see battlecruisers become the new BS's.
Those who dont want to work for isk are just lazy imo.
Fly something more expensive then. I could fit out 1,000 rifters and then come here and complain about how losing one means nothing. Dying only hurts as much as you make it hurt. That's kinda the point from the beginning. _ |
Huan Hunglong
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2008.09.13 00:10:00 -
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If dying no longer hurts you...
Stop your whining, and hand me your ISK.
Problem solved without any game mechanic changes.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.13 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Trathen Fly something more expensive then. I could fit out 1,000 rifters and then come here and complain about how losing one means nothing.
At which point we would tell you to fly cruisers.
Now if you can fit out 10 battleships, and losing one of them also means nothing (hereafter referred to as 'the point'), what then? -
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Trathen
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.13 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Now if you can fit out 10 battleships, and losing one of them also means nothing (hereafter referred to as 'the point'), what then?
Time to start PvPing with faction battleships. _ |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.13 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Trathen
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Now if you can fit out 10 battleships, and losing one of them also means nothing (hereafter referred to as 'the point'), what then?
Time to start PvPing with faction battleships.
Why? To lose yourself more ISK while having no effect whatsoever on the actual problem? Great. -
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Amitious Turkey
Gallente N.A.S.A. Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.09.13 00:30:00 -
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try being me, OP...
ive played for 5 years.
ive only owned 1 BS in that entire time, a Dominix.
ive only owned 3 BC's since they came out.
Its only the ppl who work hard at this game who get teh isk. I'm fine with that. Or you wanna be called a communist, or Robin Hood, and distribute the wealth, make an ISK cap, and make us all equally poor? (\_/) (O.o) (> <)[]==^= (urtok's bunny-its a machinegun) (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Anything i say on the forums is my own opinion, not of my corporation or alliance.
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2008.09.13 00:39:00 -
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As a t2 ship Pilot I have just one question
WTF is insurance?!
That annoying mail I get with the insulting pittance inside that covers about 1% of the loss? -----------------
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.09.13 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 13/09/2008 00:50:00
Unfortunately once the people have had riches they fail to see the value of poverty.
I'll give you a clue, when you can buy anything nothing has value.
Buying something, losing something, taking something, destroying something... between the rich these things really don't matter there's plenty more where that came from. Being rich doesn't matter half as much in itself when everyone else is wealthy too.
It's all becoming pointless.
But the people won't have it, they don't want to be made poor. They fail to realize that if every one is less wealthy then they are relatively no worse off than when they started. The only difference is that suddenly it all matters again.
EVE is becoming Counter Strike in space, but that seems to be what pays the bills. Those of us who don't like it, who remember the days when combat meant something, or can realize that high player income and easy access to the top-end equipment is a bad thing, aren't likely to win this one.
Wheres the fun, wheres the adventure? The best stories aren't those where the main character has everything by chapter three. They're about constant struggle of one form or another, a chain of meaningful conflicts where defeat will lead to harsh consequences.
Which is more interesting:
Two billionaires playing poker for stakes in the thousands or two homeless men dicing for their last packet of crisps? Climbing a mountain with nothing but the clothes on your back or hopping in a chopper and getting dropped off at the summit?
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murder one
Gallente Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.09.13 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: snaike I dearly wish I was one of these players who could throw battleships away at an opponent like one would throw pennies at a homeless feller to make him go away. I dunno, maybe the fact that, after 2 years of play, I don't have a multi-billion isk wallet would suggest I suck at Eve, but then I don't enjoy grinding isk, nor do I have the time/money for an isk***** account.
I play for pvp, and pvp is damn expensive, even when you don't die all that much (touches wood). If my losses were to hurt me in the way you would like them to, I simply would not bother playing, and ccp would lose my ú's.
Don't get me wrong, despite that last sentance this isn't a 'omgzz ccp dnt change stuffz or I will quit' I'm simply relaying to you the reality of the situation for many players. When I lose a battleship, or indeed any ship, I feel a pang of regret for the hit my wallet must subsequently sustain; and I'm sure Im not the only one.
You must be doing it wrong. Piracy pays me billions in ransoms on a fairly regular basis.
The OP is totally correct in that losing a full T2 fit BS doesn't cost a player much in the way of ISK. I could lose ten fully rigged T2 fit BS in a day and only be down a few hundred million ISK when I should be in the hole one or two bil at least.
Just remove all insurance from losses due to PVP. PVE players still get to keep their insurance payouts (this is to keep the game noob friendly when the noobs are starting out and losing ships to NPCs in missions).
Ships these days cost almost nothing in comparison to what it was a year ago, and on top of that ISK/hour has never been higher with the new Marauders and level 4s. A Paladin or Golem can motor through a L4 mission extremely fast. It's silly.
Anyway, remove all insurance from any PVP loss. Problem solved.
[07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships |
SharpMango
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Posted - 2008.09.13 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kurlieu Alrighty then, I'll simply triple the selling price on all the battleships I make and you can buy them from me, if that will please you.
This will be especially good since you've made no provision to raise any of my material/modules/production costs.
I see what you're driving at, but you've really offered no solution. I can't see as you've really specified the true nature of the problem either.
this one made me laugh the most! i was trying to figure out how exactly the OP would try to achieve this in a free market economy. We could of course just do a simple mineral double of battleship costs.... but then would that just mean a boom in mining and a resultant decrease in prices again to a new level of stability? or would we have communistic price controls??? I really dont get it, sure its possible to make ships more expensive. Its certainly possible to triple the mineral costs on ALL ships. But would we play eve then? i for one would be much more paranoid about purchasing ships in the first place until i had uber-leet skills. And honestly speaking i wont be playing this game in 5 years time.
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Excommunicator
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.13 01:09:00 -
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If we're talking just a Battleship loss, yeah no big deal...
But some of us ride around in a 4 Billion isk Clone
That in the addition to the odd Faction'd out BS loss is the sink to the proverbial faucet.
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murder one
Gallente Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.09.13 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Trathen
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Now if you can fit out 10 battleships, and losing one of them also means nothing (hereafter referred to as 'the point'), what then?
Time to start PvPing with faction battleships.
Why? To lose yourself more ISK while having no effect whatsoever on the actual problem? Great.
What Crumplecorn said. As it sits now, it's pretty much impossible to destroy an enemy with a war of attrition. It's impossible to choke someone out of their space in 0.0 by destroying their supply lines and killing off their ability to afford more ships by *destroying ships*.
This is a stupid situation that needs to be fixed.
[07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships |
Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.09.13 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
What Crumplecorn said. As it sits now, it's pretty much impossible to destroy an enemy with a war of attrition. It's impossible to choke someone out of their space in 0.0 by destroying their supply lines and killing off their ability to afford more ships by *destroying ships*.
This is a stupid situation that needs to be fixed.
you can't choke people out if they have t2 bpos and a few good moons.
the game is screwed up because of those colossal money prints. if you remove insurance no starter alliance would have any chance to move to hold 0.0: the other guys print money, they dont. as a side effect it makes losing t1 ships easy. oh well. it's a small price to pay (no pun intended) for having possibility of power flow in the game Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Saint |
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