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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:19:00 -
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Hop on the band wagon when you still can. With drone regions being deserted by xxbotsxxx the supply is running out fast. The incomming drone nerf will make the morphite prices spike hugh!!
PS: Pre drone region morphite prices:17k isk pu, add increased T2 market & T1 refine loot table nerf = 25k isk pu morphite in 6 months!! CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:36:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:With drone regions being deserted by xxbotsxxx the supply is running out fast.
Source?
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Scott Ryder
Sexual Assault
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:40:00 -
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We can only dream and hope <3 |
Sandrestal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:20:00 -
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Chevalleis wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:With drone regions being deserted by xxbotsxxx the supply is running out fast.
Source?
As in the Drones will no longer drop alloys |
papamike
Precipice Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:22:00 -
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Was that You who bought out just about the entire Metropolis region of Morph.
Beat me to it :)
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Mr Blue
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:39:00 -
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speculation aside isnt morph a really really limited player in the mineral/building industry.
Besides for speculation I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) |
Countesss
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:47:00 -
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Mr Blue wrote:speculation aside isnt morph a really really limited player in the mineral/building industry.
Besides for speculation I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0)
Morphite is used in t2 production Mr. Blue. That includes bpo manufacturing and invention.
Mr Blue wrote: Besides for speculation I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0)
Any of the other affected minerals are just as easily mined in null sec, so that argument doesn't really apply. Morphite will go up in price due to the nerf, if it's a lot is still questionable imo.
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Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:27:00 -
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Prices spiked hard in jita yesterday, 7.2k a unit. |
Countesss
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:21:00 -
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Also doesn't help that Hemmo Paskiainen is spamming everywhere that morphite is going to go crazy high as he clearly bought up a bunch and wants all the speculators to help raise the price in a panic lol.
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VaMei
Meafi Corp
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:22:00 -
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Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0)
In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it. |
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Countesss
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:37:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it.
Yeah just the same if I fit corkite crystals its going to nerf my ability to mine arkonor lol. When you're mining, you are mining with a purpose and a fitting that suits that purpose. Don't forget with WH's it's not very hard to find a place to mine highends.
Being trained for mercoxit minings skill training isn't an issue, it's not an sp heavy skill or profession.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:51:00 -
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Countesss wrote:VaMei wrote:Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it. Yeah just the same if I fit corkite crystals its going to nerf my ability to mine arkonor lol. When you're mining, you are mining with a purpose and a fitting that suits that purpose. Don't forget with WH's it's not very hard to find a place to mine highends. Being trained for mercoxit minings skill training isn't an issue, it's not an sp heavy skill or profession.
Did you missed the memo that ccp where going to nerf high ends in the lower tier WH's? They talked about it long ago, i wouldnt be suprised if they iterate that in big mining themed patch. Didnt CCP told at fanfest they were looking to do more themed patches?. I bought quet a few morphite a few months ago when the price was 3,300 isk pu, i have all the time in the world. Will see how it go's. I too would spam here that it isnt a big deal if im planning to buy more. Fact is, without the srone regions, morphite supply is heavly cut down and it will go up.
edit, wth am i going into a dicsuccion with a neut alt.. someone pls tell me.. CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Countesss
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:56:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: edit, wth am i going into a dicsuccion with a neut alt.. someone pls tell me..
Lol buddy you're lost, CAOD is the other forum. This is MD, npc or not doesn't mean anything.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
319
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:42:00 -
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Countesss wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: edit, wth am i going into a dicsuccion with a neut alt.. someone pls tell me..
Lol buddy you're lost, CAOD is the other forum. This is MD, npc or not doesn't mean anything. quoting for future reference for your stupidity CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:52:00 -
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Gonna hit 30k in moments.
Don't be a ****, sell at 30k and have paience. Don't underprice and be a poor fool. Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
Lecherito
Dorcol Trading Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:31:00 -
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Morphite just blew up in Jita, this morning.
Been an interesting few weeks =P
-L |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
319
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:55:00 -
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its climbing 1000 isk pu a day for the past week CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Second Prize
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:33:00 -
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I have 210mil units of morphite. Each time i hit 25bil isk, i buy morph for 20bil. I am willing to sell the entire stack for 10k/unit. Offer is valid today and tomorrow only. Mail me. |
Shalaava
SlashCry
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:07:00 -
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For those who may be curious, from a mining point of view, mining Mercoxit w/ a maxed out Skiff, disregarding gang bonuses, would yield 50M isk/hr/Skiff if Morphite were to reach 14.4k isk/pu. In terms of supply side constraints, it seems prices can still go up quite a bit, but evaluating the demand is more difficult. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
793
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:05:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: Did you missed the memo that ccp where going to nerf high ends in the lower tier WH's? They talked about it long ago, i wouldnt be suprised if they iterate that in big mining themed patch.
Link? |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
566
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:18:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: Did you missed the memo that ccp where going to nerf high ends in the lower tier WH's? They talked about it long ago, i wouldnt be suprised if they iterate that in big mining themed patch.
Link? I believe you will find it buried in the CSM 6 notes.
Keep in mind, Two Step wasn't there, and those in attendance didn't have a clue about wormholes let alone the real amount of minerals that were being produced in w-space.
I seem to recall there was a follow-up with some numbers produced by a dev on w-space mining, but it was raw data with no analysis of what it meant in the big picture.
EDIT: Here it is, last paragraph on page 27:
http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2011/CSM_CCP_Meetings_18-20_05_2011.pdf
CSM Minutes, p27 wrote:CCP talked about removing ABC (Arkonor, Bistot and Crokite) mining sites from wormhole space at some point in the future. This may be from all wormholes, or possibly from lower class wormholes only. It was claimed by some members of the CSM that a large fraction of the high end ore supply is produced through these sites, however the CSMs who were active in wormholes would not accept this claim without hard data to back it up.
CSM Minutes, p29 wrote:Based on comments by CCP Greyscale in a previous session, the subject of removing "ABC" minerals from wormholes was raised by nullsec-resident CSMs, who were surprised to learn that WH space was nullsec and that ABC minerals were available in them. They favored entirely removing ABC from WH space -- or limiting them to C5 and C6 holes -- but the two wormhole-resident CSMs objected strongly, pointing out that exporting minerals from deep wormhole space was difficult, and much of it was likely consumed locally.
An argument was made by some CSMs that the prices of ABC ores and refined products were being crashed by "daytrippers" mining in easily-accessible wormhole space; other CSMs stated that no nerfing of ABC minerals should take place without first obtaining detailed statistics about the balance of trade for each mineral and class of wormhole.
CSM Minutes, p31 wrote:The CSM, with the exception of two members, is irked at the idea of high value ores being mined in low-end wormholes distorting the market. CCP Zulu mentioned that he considers this GÇÿ******edGÇÖ and that this will be looked into. In Class 5 or 6 wormholes the position is more nuanced, and the CSM acknowledged that these minerals could be used for local production, and that they are too far from the market to distort it.
There were a couple of threadnoughts on the topic. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
794
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:22:00 -
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Wonder if that was before or after they found out the distortion effect of drone poo?
I find it hard to believe that the under 5% of the population that lives in w-space could impact the market in any major way when compared to what drone poo was doing to the market. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
113
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:35:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Wonder if that was before or after they found out the distortion effect of drone poo?
I find it hard to believe that the under 5% of the population that lives in w-space could impact the market in any major way when compared to what drone poo was doing to the market.
They weren't necessarily arguing that people who lived in wormholes permanently were the problem, so much as empire dwellers who would venture into easily accessed low-end wormholes, spend the day mining the ABC found within (thus the name daytripping) and leave. These are people to whom even the vastly depressed prices of ABC (compared to the days of old) is a bonanza, because they're used to considering pyroxeres or whatever to be a high end ore.
In any case this would have been CSM 6, so they were well aware of the effect of drone regions, they just felt that daytripping was a non-trivial source as well. |
Mr Blue
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:00:00 -
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bit ealie to scream WH nerf isnt it? I mean something been up for suggested in a CSM isnt even remoterly close to a done deal.(its lituarlly 100 of suggestetions beening suggested in there) Its even been like a year since it was up for suggestion and they didnt do anything about it.
Even if they where to impliment the nerf(which I doubt they are) they would wait out several mothns + to see how the drone nerf works out on the market before going any futher.
So good luck waiting for a few years is what my experince tells me. But then again speculation is sometimes a bigger factor than accually market changes. VOV |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
457
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:20:00 -
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Nocx is an important mineral in T3 production, so would not be surprised to see 'low sec' ores in C1s. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1323
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Posted - 2012.04.13 09:47:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it.
Not only that-but only a Skiff mines Mercoxit effectively-getting a 300% bonus to Mercoxit crystals at level V. I have seen maybe 1 or 2 skiffs in the last few years living in 0.0
Back when Morphite was only mined-before drone drops were ever in the game-T2 production levels were much lower than they are now. T2 production has increased several fold and drone drops make up 80% or more of the current supply. Of all the mineral price spikes-only Morphite will go up and stay up in value IMO. There may be some spikes and dips, but in the long run, Morphite could easily go to, and stay at 20K ISK/PU and up. I think that when current supplies run out, and speculators have sold their hordes, you will see baseline prices that go up week after week to 20K+ and may even see spikes of up to 50K and more.
Production will not be able to meet demand even if all the Mercoxit in the game is mined every day I think. With vastly increased demand since 2006 and almost all utilized supplies soon to be removed from game, I think that Mercoxit will be by far, the most valuable ore to mine, but we will see. D3
CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
859
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:07:00 -
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Can you check numbers with some Mercx mining lads (or lasses)?
According to EFT, a modestly-fit Skiff pulls in about 824 m3/minute (180 sec cycles). Which is 20.6 units/minute (40 m3/u) or 43.7 units/minute (2620/hr). Boosts from gang links / implants / leadership bonuses / Orca / Rorqual should push that up closer to 1400 m3/minute, or about 4400 units/hr.
Assuming 4200 units/hr of Morphite, we get:
ISK/u = ISK/hr 10k = 42.0M/hr 13k = 54.6M/hr 15k = 63.0M/hr 20k = 84.0M/hr 25k = 105.0M/hr 30k = 126.0M/hr
Which is why I question when someone says "Morphite will go to more then 25k/hr long-term". It seems that, if Morphite goes much above 15-20k that it will be the darling of null-sec and everyone and their cousin will be out mining Mercoxite in skiffs. |
Shalaava
SlashCry
4
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:35:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Which is why I question when someone says "Morphite will go to more then 25k/hr long-term". It seems that, if Morphite goes much above 15-20k that it will be the darling of null-sec and everyone and their cousin will be out mining Mercoxite in skiffs.
Your numbers are reasonably correct, but they represent constant, uninterrupted mining. I've never done Mercoxit mining myself and would welcome input from anyone more informed on the subject, but it's my understanding that finding concentrated Mercoxit ore supplies in practically unlimited numbers is quite rare which will inevitably bring down those numbers a great deal.
While I do find the ~30k high end estimates ludicrous, something in the neighborhood of 15-20k (corresponding to 60-85M/hr on paper) seems plausible given the scarcity of supply. It doesn't seem like people will just be able to multibox a bunch of Skiffs 24/7 pulling in those numbers, so for Mercoxit to be worth paying attention to at all, the nominal isk/hr will have to be considerably higher than that obtained from clearing ABC-heavy industrial upgrade belts, which you can scale up as much as you want. |
slickboy Danny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:13:00 -
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also, if I may add the following to the equation, seeing the current prices for just about everything on the market, 126 mil/hr for about 2 hrs a day doesnt seem all that outrageous. as stated before, mercoxit rocks aren't that common, considering the fact you need the higher end upgraded belts for limited supplies of mercoxit. besides, look at the insane ammounts of isk to be made with incursions. didnt seem fair when that got introduced, now it's as common as blitzing lvl IV's pre-incursion. add to that the ever-climbing rmt prizes in the form of PLEX and I'd say we are simply looking at a crazy inflation in all markets. in that sense, 1 bil these days is effectively worth less than 500 mil 1 year ago or so. so the question shouldnt be whether or not 30k p/u is too much for mercoxit, but when the rest of the professions will follow up on the 2.0 payouts we see being introduced these days.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
168
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:26:00 -
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Darius III wrote:VaMei wrote:Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it. Not only that-but only a Skiff mines Mercoxit effectively-getting a 300% bonus to Mercoxit crystals at level V. I have seen maybe 1 or 2 skiffs in the last few years living in 0.0 Back when Morphite was only mined-before drone drops were ever in the game-T2 production levels were much lower than they are now. T2 production has increased several fold and drone drops make up 80% or more of the current supply. Of all the mineral price spikes-only Morphite will go up and stay up in value IMO. There may be some spikes and dips, but in the long run, Morphite could easily go to, and stay at 20K ISK/PU and up. I think that when current supplies run out, and speculators have sold their hordes, you will see baseline prices that go up week after week to 20K+ and may even see spikes of up to 50K and more. Production will not be able to meet demand even if all the Mercoxit in the game is mined every day I think. With vastly increased demand since 2006 and almost all commonly utilized supplies (drone drops) soon to be removed from game, I think that Mercoxit will be by far, the most valuable ore to mine, but we will see. D3
Counterpoint: Mining anomalies are a thing now, they will be used now, and stripping it dry to force it to respawn will include stripping out the mercoxit. |
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