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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
902
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:28:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Skydell wrote: I fully expect the price of Morphite to go like a roller coaster for the immediate and extended future. When Null alliances are feeling the pinch, they will brown nose to their members to go out and mine the stuff, take it to Jita and make a payday.
no they wont you idiot because that won't make the alliance a cent Apparently Skydell pays tax on his minerals? That kind of sucks.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
158
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:47:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Skydell wrote:The thing with Industry index is, it doesn't make a system have minerals it never had so it's all coming from the same systems it always did. It won't take the cartel's of EVE to figure out what the new Tech moon Sov systems are going to be and start fighting over those systems. this is literally the stupidest thing I have read in days on these forums go back to your shame hole the entire point of industry upgrades is they can be put anywhere in 0.0 and are the same anywhere: the mining anoms have a specific setup and group of asteroids that does not vary
I was talking about Belts. If Hemo is your top ore, adding index 5 won't get you anything above Hemo. Just more of it.
As for Grav sites, unless you want T2 to look like blue loot, depending on Grav mining is a sure fire way to fail. You don't control what Signatures occur in a system and after the signature nerf it's all onboards anyway and onboards don't provide Grav sites.
You are talking out of your ass in order to win a troll contest on a forum. Nothing you have said so far works in the game. The plain and simple fact is, Morphite source got chopped in half at the source. Morphite sources that were being exploited got chopped by about 70%. Index is lost when you lose Sov and while Moonswarm and -A- get to hold thier Sov through super blobbing, every other alliance has around a one year shelf life for Sov, then it's time to evac.
I said a year ago, you tards were grooming FA for your next little pretend war. They have been reset? Moonswarm War forecast, complete. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3016
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:18:00 -
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you are trivially correct that a thing you didn't say and is vaugely related to something you did say is actually true
the rest is utter nonsense and you have no idea what you're talking about and don't understand grav anomoly upgrades, I presume because you are a highsec pubbie who owns no space
i was going to list the wrong things in your post but it amounted to "all of them": go read bloodtear's guide it might explain it in simple enough terms for you to understand |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3016
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:18:00 -
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i would like to lawl at goonswarm getting its space through super blobbing |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
252
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:18:00 -
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My miner pals are telling me that they get ark and mercoxit in their grav sites in a system that definitely does not spawn Ark - we don't seem to get ark at all in Deklein, in fact. So I really don't know what to tell you about your thinking on grav sites other than "You're wrong."
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1006/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report.pdf might interest you, I understand specifics are out of date (more high ends spawn per anomaly now, mostly) but the generalities - including the fact that, and I quote, "all hidden belts of the same size are nearly identical."
Now maybe the authors of this quite thorough report were high on crack at the time of writing, but frankly, "nearly identical" sure doesn't sound like "Yeah they're all the same except this one is missing ark" to me.
Weaselior wrote:i would like to lawl at goonswarm getting its space through super blobbing we couldn't blob supercaps and so had to blob raw numbers instead.
oh wait that's why we kept our space, we got our space because tcf ~handed it to us on a plate~ |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3016
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:30:00 -
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you don't control what signatures appear in a system (except through the system that I know nothing about where you do precisely that) |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
158
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:50:00 -
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LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.
Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
253
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:56:00 -
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Skydell wrote:The thing with Industry index is, it doesn't make a system have minerals it never had so it's all coming from the same systems it always did. It won't take the cartel's of EVE to figure out what the new Tech moon Sov systems are going to be and start fighting over those systems.
if it can be fought over it can be cartelled, so a page ago you're telling us all how morphite will totally get cartelled, now you're telling us that we must be really really sad and angry (we're not, by the way, taxing ratting and PI is much easier) that we can't?
i'm confused |
Lupinus Regaale
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:10:00 -
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Let me put it this way: if there's anyone out there able to form a cartel based on Morphite, please do it. I believe a lot of people would be very very very, very very happy with this. with all the combined power of speculation, not much to stop morphite from gaining a few K's, right? oh wait... |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3023
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:00:00 -
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Ocih wrote:LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.
Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw. see heres what you don't get, you're so dumb that beating your stupid ideas into the ground doesn't really take any effort
its not like you have ideas that are wrong in a hard to explain way you are simply wrong on easily verifiable basic facts |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
906
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:10:00 -
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Ocih wrote:LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.
Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw. Wait, goons being the guys pressing for the technetium nerf?
Yeah, they must be real mad.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
241
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:18:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Ocih wrote:LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.
Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw. see heres what you don't get, you're so dumb that beating your stupid ideas into the ground doesn't really take any effort its not like you have ideas that are wrong in a hard to explain way you are simply wrong on easily verifiable basic facts
So far all you have managed to do is make personal attacks and try so very hard to insult me. I haven't really seen anything to provide proof of any of your claims. You "say" Morphite is abundant but we all know better. Even at 20K per, Mining isn't going to compete with Anom ISK and the Centum blue loots it produces, let alone mission ISK. No matter how much Morphite you think is in the game, unless it sells for 25K or more, people aren't going to mine the stuff because you can make more doing just about anything else in the game. T2 Hulls don't get used, never have and never will. Even the mighty moonswarm has a main force of T1 Battle cruisers.
Still, if you want to mine the stuff for 5K p/u then feel free. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3024
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:37:00 -
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skydell learn about grav anoms before you humiliate yourself even more |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3024
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:38:00 -
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corestwo was generous enough to link you to a detailed description |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
323
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:46:00 -
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so i heard ccp is going to rebalance some T2 ships, will that have any effect on volume consumed? CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
254
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:49:00 -
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yes people aren't going to mine the stuff unless it's 25k or more, just like no one mined the stuff at a volume such that 1.9 million units were produced a day for a week straight (a volume exceeding production from pre-drone poo nerf) leading up to diagoras' tweets when the stuff was barely 15k.
that said at this point I think weaslior and I are being masterfully counter-trolled. I mean, "T2 Hulls don't get used, never have and never will." c'mon, really? way to give up the game, you did very well up until you said that. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3024
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:51:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:so i heard ccp is going to rebalance some T2 ships, will that have any effect on volume consumed?
unlikely: given skyrocketing tech prices it is likely t2 production is at its current maximum production, and you just can't produce more unless more tech is put into the system
so even with higher demand for t2 ships no more could be produced |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
906
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:17:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:so i heard ccp is going to rebalance some T2 ships, will that have any effect on volume consumed? unlikely: given skyrocketing tech prices it is likely t2 production is at its current maximum production, and you just can't produce more unless more tech is put into the system so even with higher demand for t2 ships no more could be produced It should be interesting to see what escalation does about the technetium bottleneck (if anything).
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Illectroculus Defined
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:40:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: It should be interesting to see what escalation does about the technetium bottleneck (if anything).
You mean the escalation expansion released last week which did exactly nothing? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
906
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:03:00 -
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Illectroculus Defined wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: It should be interesting to see what escalation does about the technetium bottleneck (if anything).
You mean the escalation expansion released last week which did exactly nothing? No, I meant inferno, just made a typo :)
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
902
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:44:00 -
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Well, back in post #26, I speculated that a T2 skiff could mine about 4200 units/hr w/ Orca/Rorqual support:
ISK/u = ISK/hr 10k = 42.0M/hr 13k = 54.6M/hr 15k = 63.0M/hr 20k = 84.0M/hr 25k = 105.0M/hr 30k = 126.0M/hr
So if the high-end ABCs get stuck in the 300-350 ISK/m3 range (about 45-50M/hr for a Orca/Rorqual supported Hulk), then that would probably mean Morphite in the 10-13k ISK/u range. If we see the high-end ABC ores get up into the 450-500 ISK/m3 range (70-75M/hr), then 15-18k ISK/u is more likely.
Like corestwo, it's going to oscillate wildly for a while. And it will depend whether it's a "junk" ore needed to clear the anom.
I got caught with buy orders in the 14k ISK/u range... oops. |
Gizan
Hounds Of War WHY so Seri0Us
26
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:10:00 -
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lets see, at current lowest sell order for minerals (morphite was ticked at 11.4)k in jita, a maxed out hulk with maxed rorqual bonus, mines
A - 52/55/58 B - 51/43/45 C - 39/40/43 M - 78/82/86
i used the hulk for the simple fact that with the rorqual bonus, you can tank the gas cloud that forms, also the range is longer.
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Gizan
Hounds Of War WHY so Seri0Us
26
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:14:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Well, back in post #26, I speculated that a T2 skiff could mine about 4200 units/hr w/ Orca/Rorqual support:
maxed skiff with t2 everything with rorqual bonus is 2146m3/cycle every 104 seconds.
thats 53 units/cycle and 34 cycles/hour, so 1802/hour not 4200.
1802*24,161(ore value) = 43.5m/hour with maxed skiff.
so your isk/hour is correct but your ore yeild/hour is wrong. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
248
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Posted - 2012.05.04 03:50:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Well, back in post #26, I speculated that a T2 skiff could mine about 4200 units/hr w/ Orca/Rorqual support:
ISK/u = ISK/hr 10k = 42.0M/hr 13k = 54.6M/hr 15k = 63.0M/hr 20k = 84.0M/hr 25k = 105.0M/hr 30k = 126.0M/hr
So if the high-end ABCs get stuck in the 300-350 ISK/m3 range (about 45-50M/hr for a Orca/Rorqual supported Hulk), then that would probably mean Morphite in the 10-13k ISK/u range. If we see the high-end ABC ores get up into the 450-500 ISK/m3 range (70-75M/hr), then 15-18k ISK/u is more likely.
Like corestwo, it's going to oscillate wildly for a while. And it will depend whether it's a "junk" ore needed to clear the anom.
I got caught with buy orders in the 14k ISK/u range... oops.
"it's going to oscillate wildly for a while" That introduces the added dynamic of manipulation. Something we see more and more of as players build up huge stocks of ISK. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
916
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:47:00 -
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The 4200 units per hour is Morphite units/hr (not Mercx).
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
278
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:47:00 -
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The oscillations don't have much to do with manipulation, really. Miners piled into the market, driving prices down, people panicked and drove them further, prices rise again as people think it's a safe bet and then fall again as people try to get out again, and so on. Eventually incidental supply from mining becomes large enough to serve as a damper on prices and, in all likelihood, keep them low. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
923
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:59:00 -
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corestwo wrote:The oscillations don't have much to do with manipulation, really. Miners piled into the market, driving prices down, people panicked and drove them further, prices rise again as people think it's a safe bet and then fall again as people try to get out again, and so on. Eventually incidental supply from mining becomes large enough to serve as a damper on prices and, in all likelihood, keep them low. Some of it has been from manipulation, yesterday when the morphite price dropped to 8k per unit it was the same person posting orders in stacks of ~50k. Undercutting himself by considerable amounts on each order to lower the price.
Same thing happened with Zydrine the day before that, albeit less successfully. They didn't even bother using different characters for all the orders, so it was pretty unsubtle of them.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Toma Muvila
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
0
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:13:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread tbh in rl i am a genius, skipped 4 classed, got 2 degrees allready & only 1 yr to go before im master in business mangament, economics and marketing. I un fortualy belong to the top 1% of ppl that is simply smarter.. not that it is something that i wish to other ppl, its more a pain than a gain. anyhow, ppl were allready buying up so lets call it a strategic move to prevent hugh stocks to be hamstered. therefor i love all the ppl that scream that it isnt going up more while ppl at sametime saying it is. this prevents ppl from taking the risk or gamble. result is lesser hamstered & sooner i can sell my stuff when prices are more stable by supply & demand. next lesson isnt free
Seriously what? Don't you know how easy it is to get a degree how these days how does getting 2 followed by a MBA make you a genius??
I was enjoying reading through this thread (ABC / Merco mining is something that interests me...) until this comment. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
618
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:48:00 -
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confirming ******* around with eve markets makes you a geneeous |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3213
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:49:00 -
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you bumped a month-old thread to respond to an incredibly blatant troll? |
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