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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:19:00 -
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Hop on the band wagon when you still can. With drone regions being deserted by xxbotsxxx the supply is running out fast. The incomming drone nerf will make the morphite prices spike hugh!!
PS: Pre drone region morphite prices:17k isk pu, add increased T2 market & T1 refine loot table nerf = 25k isk pu morphite in 6 months!! CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
111
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:36:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:With drone regions being deserted by xxbotsxxx the supply is running out fast.
Source?
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Scott Ryder
Sexual Assault
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:40:00 -
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We can only dream and hope <3 |
Sandrestal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:20:00 -
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Chevalleis wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:With drone regions being deserted by xxbotsxxx the supply is running out fast.
Source?
As in the Drones will no longer drop alloys |
papamike
Precipice Industries
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:22:00 -
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Was that You who bought out just about the entire Metropolis region of Morph.
Beat me to it :)
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Mr Blue
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:39:00 -
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speculation aside isnt morph a really really limited player in the mineral/building industry.
Besides for speculation I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) |
Countesss
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:47:00 -
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Mr Blue wrote:speculation aside isnt morph a really really limited player in the mineral/building industry.
Besides for speculation I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0)
Morphite is used in t2 production Mr. Blue. That includes bpo manufacturing and invention.
Mr Blue wrote: Besides for speculation I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0)
Any of the other affected minerals are just as easily mined in null sec, so that argument doesn't really apply. Morphite will go up in price due to the nerf, if it's a lot is still questionable imo.
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Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:27:00 -
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Prices spiked hard in jita yesterday, 7.2k a unit. |
Countesss
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:21:00 -
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Also doesn't help that Hemmo Paskiainen is spamming everywhere that morphite is going to go crazy high as he clearly bought up a bunch and wants all the speculators to help raise the price in a panic lol.
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VaMei
Meafi Corp
106
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:22:00 -
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Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0)
In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it. |
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Countesss
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:37:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it.
Yeah just the same if I fit corkite crystals its going to nerf my ability to mine arkonor lol. When you're mining, you are mining with a purpose and a fitting that suits that purpose. Don't forget with WH's it's not very hard to find a place to mine highends.
Being trained for mercoxit minings skill training isn't an issue, it's not an sp heavy skill or profession.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
319
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:51:00 -
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Countesss wrote:VaMei wrote:Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it. Yeah just the same if I fit corkite crystals its going to nerf my ability to mine arkonor lol. When you're mining, you are mining with a purpose and a fitting that suits that purpose. Don't forget with WH's it's not very hard to find a place to mine highends. Being trained for mercoxit minings skill training isn't an issue, it's not an sp heavy skill or profession.
Did you missed the memo that ccp where going to nerf high ends in the lower tier WH's? They talked about it long ago, i wouldnt be suprised if they iterate that in big mining themed patch. Didnt CCP told at fanfest they were looking to do more themed patches?. I bought quet a few morphite a few months ago when the price was 3,300 isk pu, i have all the time in the world. Will see how it go's. I too would spam here that it isnt a big deal if im planning to buy more. Fact is, without the srone regions, morphite supply is heavly cut down and it will go up.
edit, wth am i going into a dicsuccion with a neut alt.. someone pls tell me.. CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Countesss
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:56:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: edit, wth am i going into a dicsuccion with a neut alt.. someone pls tell me..
Lol buddy you're lost, CAOD is the other forum. This is MD, npc or not doesn't mean anything.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
319
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:42:00 -
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Countesss wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: edit, wth am i going into a dicsuccion with a neut alt.. someone pls tell me..
Lol buddy you're lost, CAOD is the other forum. This is MD, npc or not doesn't mean anything. quoting for future reference for your stupidity CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
396
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:52:00 -
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Gonna hit 30k in moments.
Don't be a ****, sell at 30k and have paience. Don't underprice and be a poor fool. Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
Lecherito
Dorcol Trading Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:31:00 -
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Morphite just blew up in Jita, this morning.
Been an interesting few weeks =P
-L |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
319
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:55:00 -
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its climbing 1000 isk pu a day for the past week CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Second Prize
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:33:00 -
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I have 210mil units of morphite. Each time i hit 25bil isk, i buy morph for 20bil. I am willing to sell the entire stack for 10k/unit. Offer is valid today and tomorrow only. Mail me. |
Shalaava
SlashCry
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:07:00 -
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For those who may be curious, from a mining point of view, mining Mercoxit w/ a maxed out Skiff, disregarding gang bonuses, would yield 50M isk/hr/Skiff if Morphite were to reach 14.4k isk/pu. In terms of supply side constraints, it seems prices can still go up quite a bit, but evaluating the demand is more difficult. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
793
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:05:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: Did you missed the memo that ccp where going to nerf high ends in the lower tier WH's? They talked about it long ago, i wouldnt be suprised if they iterate that in big mining themed patch.
Link? |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
566
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:18:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: Did you missed the memo that ccp where going to nerf high ends in the lower tier WH's? They talked about it long ago, i wouldnt be suprised if they iterate that in big mining themed patch.
Link? I believe you will find it buried in the CSM 6 notes.
Keep in mind, Two Step wasn't there, and those in attendance didn't have a clue about wormholes let alone the real amount of minerals that were being produced in w-space.
I seem to recall there was a follow-up with some numbers produced by a dev on w-space mining, but it was raw data with no analysis of what it meant in the big picture.
EDIT: Here it is, last paragraph on page 27:
http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2011/CSM_CCP_Meetings_18-20_05_2011.pdf
CSM Minutes, p27 wrote:CCP talked about removing ABC (Arkonor, Bistot and Crokite) mining sites from wormhole space at some point in the future. This may be from all wormholes, or possibly from lower class wormholes only. It was claimed by some members of the CSM that a large fraction of the high end ore supply is produced through these sites, however the CSMs who were active in wormholes would not accept this claim without hard data to back it up.
CSM Minutes, p29 wrote:Based on comments by CCP Greyscale in a previous session, the subject of removing "ABC" minerals from wormholes was raised by nullsec-resident CSMs, who were surprised to learn that WH space was nullsec and that ABC minerals were available in them. They favored entirely removing ABC from WH space -- or limiting them to C5 and C6 holes -- but the two wormhole-resident CSMs objected strongly, pointing out that exporting minerals from deep wormhole space was difficult, and much of it was likely consumed locally.
An argument was made by some CSMs that the prices of ABC ores and refined products were being crashed by "daytrippers" mining in easily-accessible wormhole space; other CSMs stated that no nerfing of ABC minerals should take place without first obtaining detailed statistics about the balance of trade for each mineral and class of wormhole.
CSM Minutes, p31 wrote:The CSM, with the exception of two members, is irked at the idea of high value ores being mined in low-end wormholes distorting the market. CCP Zulu mentioned that he considers this GÇÿ******edGÇÖ and that this will be looked into. In Class 5 or 6 wormholes the position is more nuanced, and the CSM acknowledged that these minerals could be used for local production, and that they are too far from the market to distort it.
There were a couple of threadnoughts on the topic. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
794
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:22:00 -
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Wonder if that was before or after they found out the distortion effect of drone poo?
I find it hard to believe that the under 5% of the population that lives in w-space could impact the market in any major way when compared to what drone poo was doing to the market. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
113
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:35:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Wonder if that was before or after they found out the distortion effect of drone poo?
I find it hard to believe that the under 5% of the population that lives in w-space could impact the market in any major way when compared to what drone poo was doing to the market.
They weren't necessarily arguing that people who lived in wormholes permanently were the problem, so much as empire dwellers who would venture into easily accessed low-end wormholes, spend the day mining the ABC found within (thus the name daytripping) and leave. These are people to whom even the vastly depressed prices of ABC (compared to the days of old) is a bonanza, because they're used to considering pyroxeres or whatever to be a high end ore.
In any case this would have been CSM 6, so they were well aware of the effect of drone regions, they just felt that daytripping was a non-trivial source as well. |
Mr Blue
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
23
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:00:00 -
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bit ealie to scream WH nerf isnt it? I mean something been up for suggested in a CSM isnt even remoterly close to a done deal.(its lituarlly 100 of suggestetions beening suggested in there) Its even been like a year since it was up for suggestion and they didnt do anything about it.
Even if they where to impliment the nerf(which I doubt they are) they would wait out several mothns + to see how the drone nerf works out on the market before going any futher.
So good luck waiting for a few years is what my experince tells me. But then again speculation is sometimes a bigger factor than accually market changes. VOV |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
457
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:20:00 -
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Nocx is an important mineral in T3 production, so would not be surprised to see 'low sec' ores in C1s. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1323
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Posted - 2012.04.13 09:47:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it.
Not only that-but only a Skiff mines Mercoxit effectively-getting a 300% bonus to Mercoxit crystals at level V. I have seen maybe 1 or 2 skiffs in the last few years living in 0.0
Back when Morphite was only mined-before drone drops were ever in the game-T2 production levels were much lower than they are now. T2 production has increased several fold and drone drops make up 80% or more of the current supply. Of all the mineral price spikes-only Morphite will go up and stay up in value IMO. There may be some spikes and dips, but in the long run, Morphite could easily go to, and stay at 20K ISK/PU and up. I think that when current supplies run out, and speculators have sold their hordes, you will see baseline prices that go up week after week to 20K+ and may even see spikes of up to 50K and more.
Production will not be able to meet demand even if all the Mercoxit in the game is mined every day I think. With vastly increased demand since 2006 and almost all utilized supplies soon to be removed from game, I think that Mercoxit will be by far, the most valuable ore to mine, but we will see. D3
CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
859
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:07:00 -
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Can you check numbers with some Mercx mining lads (or lasses)?
According to EFT, a modestly-fit Skiff pulls in about 824 m3/minute (180 sec cycles). Which is 20.6 units/minute (40 m3/u) or 43.7 units/minute (2620/hr). Boosts from gang links / implants / leadership bonuses / Orca / Rorqual should push that up closer to 1400 m3/minute, or about 4400 units/hr.
Assuming 4200 units/hr of Morphite, we get:
ISK/u = ISK/hr 10k = 42.0M/hr 13k = 54.6M/hr 15k = 63.0M/hr 20k = 84.0M/hr 25k = 105.0M/hr 30k = 126.0M/hr
Which is why I question when someone says "Morphite will go to more then 25k/hr long-term". It seems that, if Morphite goes much above 15-20k that it will be the darling of null-sec and everyone and their cousin will be out mining Mercoxite in skiffs. |
Shalaava
SlashCry
4
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:35:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Which is why I question when someone says "Morphite will go to more then 25k/hr long-term". It seems that, if Morphite goes much above 15-20k that it will be the darling of null-sec and everyone and their cousin will be out mining Mercoxite in skiffs.
Your numbers are reasonably correct, but they represent constant, uninterrupted mining. I've never done Mercoxit mining myself and would welcome input from anyone more informed on the subject, but it's my understanding that finding concentrated Mercoxit ore supplies in practically unlimited numbers is quite rare which will inevitably bring down those numbers a great deal.
While I do find the ~30k high end estimates ludicrous, something in the neighborhood of 15-20k (corresponding to 60-85M/hr on paper) seems plausible given the scarcity of supply. It doesn't seem like people will just be able to multibox a bunch of Skiffs 24/7 pulling in those numbers, so for Mercoxit to be worth paying attention to at all, the nominal isk/hr will have to be considerably higher than that obtained from clearing ABC-heavy industrial upgrade belts, which you can scale up as much as you want. |
slickboy Danny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:13:00 -
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also, if I may add the following to the equation, seeing the current prices for just about everything on the market, 126 mil/hr for about 2 hrs a day doesnt seem all that outrageous. as stated before, mercoxit rocks aren't that common, considering the fact you need the higher end upgraded belts for limited supplies of mercoxit. besides, look at the insane ammounts of isk to be made with incursions. didnt seem fair when that got introduced, now it's as common as blitzing lvl IV's pre-incursion. add to that the ever-climbing rmt prizes in the form of PLEX and I'd say we are simply looking at a crazy inflation in all markets. in that sense, 1 bil these days is effectively worth less than 500 mil 1 year ago or so. so the question shouldnt be whether or not 30k p/u is too much for mercoxit, but when the rest of the professions will follow up on the 2.0 payouts we see being introduced these days.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
168
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:26:00 -
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Darius III wrote:VaMei wrote:Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it. Not only that-but only a Skiff mines Mercoxit effectively-getting a 300% bonus to Mercoxit crystals at level V. I have seen maybe 1 or 2 skiffs in the last few years living in 0.0 Back when Morphite was only mined-before drone drops were ever in the game-T2 production levels were much lower than they are now. T2 production has increased several fold and drone drops make up 80% or more of the current supply. Of all the mineral price spikes-only Morphite will go up and stay up in value IMO. There may be some spikes and dips, but in the long run, Morphite could easily go to, and stay at 20K ISK/PU and up. I think that when current supplies run out, and speculators have sold their hordes, you will see baseline prices that go up week after week to 20K+ and may even see spikes of up to 50K and more. Production will not be able to meet demand even if all the Mercoxit in the game is mined every day I think. With vastly increased demand since 2006 and almost all commonly utilized supplies (drone drops) soon to be removed from game, I think that Mercoxit will be by far, the most valuable ore to mine, but we will see. D3
Counterpoint: Mining anomalies are a thing now, they will be used now, and stripping it dry to force it to respawn will include stripping out the mercoxit. |
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velox
Darkside Gardens
10
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Posted - 2012.04.14 07:49:00 -
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Morphite might spike a bit but i dont see this as a major problem, 4 or 5 years ago it sat in the high 30k per unit.
Yes its used in production but only in limited numbers, it doesnt hold a big sway over the items final selling price like say nanotransistors going from 1500isk a unit 5 years ago to the 8k a unit it is today. (currently the biggest cost factor in t2 ships)
Certainly nothing worth speculating billions on. over the past year its averaged about 2 million units sold a day in jita until the last weeks speculating where the price has spiked.
Take a damnation BPC it needs 300 units of morphite so at todays prices 5 mill isk if it trebled to 54k per unit thats only a 10 mill increase in the end cost. I doubt many would blink an eye at a 10 mill increase on a 250 mill hull.
V. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:24:00 -
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-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread |
slickboy Danny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:08:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread
Derp |
slickboy Danny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:27:00 -
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morphite passed ze 18k now. what was that about a zydrine bubble? I say we pass the 20 with ease this weekend, then drop back down due to firesale panic (which I am very thankful for) and then the only way is Up! what a beautiful day... |
LoBlo Fet
Blackstar Inc.
8
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:55:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:T1 refine loot table nerf
Meta zero refines don't produce morphite |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
320
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:58:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread
tbh in rl i am a genius, skipped 4 classed, got 2 degrees allready & only 1 yr to go before im master in business mangament, economics and marketing. I un fortualy belong to the top 1% of ppl that is simply smarter.. not that it is something that i wish to other ppl, its more a pain than a gain.
anyhow, ppl were allready buying up so lets call it a strategic move to prevent hugh stocks to be hamstered. therefor i love all the ppl that scream that it isnt going up more while ppl at sametime saying it is. this prevents ppl from taking the risk or gample. result is lesser hamsered & sooner i can sell my stuff when prices are more stable by supply & demand.
next lesson isnt free CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
171
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Posted - 2012.04.14 17:17:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread tbh in rl i am a genius, skipped 4 classed, got 2 degrees allready & only 1 yr to go before im master in business mangament, economics and marketing. I un fortualy belong to the top 1% of ppl that is simply smarter.. not that it is something that i wish to other ppl, its more a pain than a gain. anyhow, ppl were allready buying up so lets call it a strategic move to prevent hugh stocks to be hamstered. therefor i love all the ppl that scream that it isnt going up more while ppl at sametime saying it is. this prevents ppl from taking the risk or gamble. result is lesser hamstered & sooner i can sell my stuff when prices are more stable by supply & demand. next lesson isnt free
for a supposed genius you type like a three year old with downs.
ps, shoulda crunched the numbers on the actual value of three degrees. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
320
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Posted - 2012.04.14 17:30:00 -
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well not everyone it native english speaking. only fools think that in a internetz spazeship game. imaging ccp only assuming everyone speaks icelandic...than we would all be speaking some strange viking langish or even better... not playing eve at all
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
J'J'J'Jita
Ch'Ch'Ch'Chia Corp
3
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Posted - 2012.04.14 17:45:00 -
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Darius III wrote: Back when Morphite was only mined-before drone drops were ever in the game-T2 production levels were much lower than they are now. T2 production has increased several fold and drone drops make up 80% or more of the current supply. Of all the mineral price spikes-only Morphite will go up and stay up in value IMO. There may be some spikes and dips, but in the long run, Morphite could easily go to, and stay at 20K ISK/PU and up. I think that when current supplies run out, and speculators have sold their hordes, you will see baseline prices that go up week after week to 20K+ and may even see spikes of up to 50K and more.
If a CSM member says 20k is the new minimum and that number relies on constant, uninterrupted mining in _nullsec_ (haha?)... yeah I'd say 20k will be a minimum value. 25-30 seems more likely. |
Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:12:00 -
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Darius III wrote:VaMei wrote:Mr Blue wrote:I dont see mophine taking a huge hit as it can easly be supplyed from regular mining.(in 0.0) In order to mine Merc, you need to fit Deep Core or Modulated Deep Core miners, nerfing your yield for any other ore. Any mining character that's trained Deep Core Mining can choose to fit the modules, but at recent prices no one's gonna consider Merc if there's ABC to be found. Once prices do balance out and Merc is profitable over ABC, you need miners that are skilled to do it, and have access to the lowest True Sec areas of space to even find it. Not only that-but only a Skiff mines Mercoxit effectively-getting a 300% bonus to Mercoxit crystals at level V. I have seen maybe 1 or 2 skiffs in the last few years living in 0.0 Back when Morphite was only mined-before drone drops were ever in the game-T2 production levels were much lower than they are now. T2 production has increased several fold and drone drops make up 80% or more of the current supply. Of all the mineral price spikes-only Morphite will go up and stay up in value IMO. There may be some spikes and dips, but in the long run, Morphite could easily go to, and stay at 20K ISK/PU and up. I think that when current supplies run out, and speculators have sold their hordes, you will see baseline prices that go up week after week to 20K+ and may even see spikes of up to 50K and more. Production will not be able to meet demand even if all the Mercoxit in the game is mined every day I think. With vastly increased demand since 2006 and almost all commonly utilized supplies (drone drops) soon to be removed from game, I think that Mercoxit will be by far, the most valuable ore to mine, but we will see. D3
Blah blah blah, I don't know a damn thing about mining, but I like seeing myself post because I have convinced enough morons to vote me into CSM and that icon looks cool... << shoves CSM flight of stairs for being an idiot >>
Bottom line, getting into a skiff is not that hard if you can already use an exhumer, what like 4 days to fit T2 Mercoxit Crystal and Deep Core mIning, 70 mil to buy and fit one. None of this is a bottleneck. Had you actually had a clue, you'd be giving credit to CCP for increasing the Mercoxit available in the XL grav site from 15K to 45K, this is where all the morphite will come from. So the real bottleneck will be Alliances (eh hem get a real one) and getting thier sov acts together getting systems upgraded to get access to the grav sties. Alliances will have to stop treating miners like the red headed step children.
Merc will definitely go above 25K per unit and stay there for sometime, if you're not a moron, you're going to be looking at the industry levels on the CCP maps to track how long price support will stay in the 25-30K range, I would speculate you'll see that range for 6-9 months because (a) people getting back to mining; (b) a lot of sov changed hands and much needs to be upgraded by the new owner alliances; (c) alliances need to change their attitudes about indutrial corps being in their space. Basically you have an alliance problem not a mining problem.
Best Regards, Java...
Because mining is what the cool kids do... |
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pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
316
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:21:00 -
[41] - Quote
Javajunky wrote:So the real bottleneck will be Alliances (eh hem get a real one) and getting thier sov acts together getting systems upgraded to get access to the grav sties. Alliances will have to stop treating miners like the red headed step children.
I hear sigma is already racing against theta to see who can run the most mining ops
a sad day |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
154
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:27:00 -
[42] - Quote
Javajunky wrote:Goontears, goonbiatching, and goonwhinery
I wasn't paying attention, did Mittens get booted from CSM? Is that why Goons get diarrhea every time Darius III posts? Still, goon tears is best tears.
PS Three degrees is really cool especially when you brag about it on the interwebs. I for one am very impressed.
::totallyserious.jpg:: |
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
47
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:02:00 -
[43] - Quote
lol at the person who just tried to panic crash the morphite market and got all their cheap morphite bought up. NOM NOM.
Thank you
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
173
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:17:00 -
[44] - Quote
OllieNorth wrote:Javajunky wrote:Goontears, goonbiatching, and goonwhinery I wasn't paying attention, did Mittens get booted from CSM? Is that why Goons get diarrhea every time Darius III posts? Still, goon tears is best tears. PS Three degrees is really cool especially when you brag about it on the interwebs. I for one am very impressed. ::totallyserious.jpg::
ETNY are actually our resident miners. If one of them is crapping on Darius III in this thread, it's because Darius III is talking about his ass, and the ETNY guy knows better.
(ps, ETNY is former Mercenary Coalition, so they're not exactly goons to begin with ) |
Derp Durrr
Syrma Technology
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:34:00 -
[45] - Quote
Herman Klaus wrote:lol at the person who just tried to panic crash the morphite market and got all their cheap morphite bought up. NOM NOM. Thank you
This!
Badman Troll / Julian Koll, thanks for the quick iskies! not sure if it was your desired outcome, but I definately benefited from it... let me know when you're planning to do this again and I'll be there for ya! |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 12:27:00 -
[46] - Quote
OK some interesting stats gleened from John Turbefield ( @CCP_Diagoras ) Tweets
( 28/29 feb 2012 ): "Least mined groups in terms of m3 yesterday: Mercoxit (15.3m)"
This is about 800k volume for Morph per day
More recently he states that ~40million [ units of Morphite ] was 'refined' in March ( I am guessing that this includes reprocessed (aka alloys) This is about 1.3 Mill a day.
This suggests that of total quantities 40% odd comes from Drones and 60% from mining.
Interestingly only 4k Skiffs were made in 2011 compared to 68k Hulks....
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Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:30:00 -
[47] - Quote
Just got a Tweet back on this:
2h XXXXXXXXXXXXXXGÇÅ@Driftspite @CCP_Diagoras So does this figure of ~40m Morphite refined include 'reprocessed' Quantities ( Opulent Compound )? John TurbefieldGÇÅ@CCP_Diagoras
@Driftspite @CCP_Diagoras iirc yes, the numbers were from *all* refines.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
276
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 14:14:00 -
[48] - Quote
there's a really good reason morphite will return to junk status, but only 0.0 residents with experience with a particular aspect of 0.0 that's mostly unused right now could spot
i'll give you a hint: it's forced bottlenecking |
Gingerlord
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 15:34:00 -
[49] - Quote
If 0.0 are able to control the morphite then why not just let the price skyrocket? |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 15:40:00 -
[50] - Quote
just organizing a tech cartel is hard enough a morphite one would be impossible |
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Ivan The Brute
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:53:00 -
[51] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:just organizing a tech cartel is hard enough a morphite one would be impossible
no need for a cartel, with morphite availability limited to null the price will have to go up one way or another. considering how much of it came from drones, it's gonna be a bloodbath few months from now to get your hands on a decent stash. true, morphite will never hit the current 165-175k reach of technetium, but a fair 20-30k seems very likely. and I'll be waiting for that day to come...
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Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
47
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 15:54:00 -
[52] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:just organizing a tech cartel is hard enough a morphite one would be impossible
Nothing is impossible. What's to stop the Power Bloc's rolling over any smaller alliance that try to upgrade their systems to get a worthwhile amount of Merc to mine? |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 16:00:00 -
[53] - Quote
Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids.... |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 16:04:00 -
[54] - Quote
Driftfire wrote:Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids.... dingdingdingdingding
morphite will be dramatically oversupplied because you must mine it out of those large sites to cycle them (and the standard way to deal with mining anoms is keep cycling the large), and this is how largescale mining is "done" in 0.0 (and will be much more common with the current prices, so much so i have to put together a system to manage these and avoid fights over people cherrypicking them at downtime)
this supply of morphite will exceed demand, and result in prices being pushed back down, but since you must mine that morphite to cycle the anom for new good roids, you have to mine it even if you don't want it |
Ivan The Brute
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:06:00 -
[55] - Quote
Driftfire wrote:Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids....
I believe this is from before the drone nerf, where mining veldspar was close to more profitable than morphite. "ABC's FTW, mercoxit meh..." times will change from here, where mercoxit once more shall reign the mineral charts.
---- EDIT ----
Also, I believe in the next changes the ammount of mercoxit from the x-large site will tripple to 45k, is that correct? |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 16:10:00 -
[56] - Quote
Herman Klaus wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:just organizing a tech cartel is hard enough a morphite one would be impossible Nothing is impossible. What's to stop the Power Bloc's rolling over any smaller alliance that try to upgrade their systems to get a worthwhile amount of Merc to mine? merc spawns in belts |
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
47
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 16:44:00 -
[57] - Quote
Desperate attempts to scare people into selling and push prices down. Miss the boat did you? |
Revan Rotineque
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:29:00 -
[58] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Driftfire wrote:Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids.... dingdingdingdingding morphite will be dramatically oversupplied because you must mine it out of those large sites to cycle them (and the standard way to deal with mining anoms is keep cycling the large), and this is how largescale mining is "done" in 0.0 (and will be much more common with the current prices, so much so i have to put together a system to manage these and avoid fights over people cherrypicking them at downtime) this supply of morphite will exceed demand, and result in prices being pushed back down, but since you must mine that morphite to cycle the anom for new good roids, you have to mine it even if you don't want it
Yeah lol
Cos we all know Goons are well known miners right? Somebody want to see the market crash? ;) |
Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:37:00 -
[59] - Quote
Driftfire wrote:Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids....
As the only person here that actually is a professional miner let me help you out...
X Large 45000;
This change went into effect with Crucible. I've got miners all over the place chasing abc's but I seem to be the only one who's grabbing mercoxit and that works. It's actually funny to watch people run around chasing bistot rocks when crok is worth more at the moment, but most miners just go with kjnow to be generally accurate and last not what's best at the moment...
For traders...
Stock Markets with Skiffs, they will sell to bring down the price of merc after the spike. For builders, if you're not filling up your copy slots with ark, bistot, crok, and merc bpo's, you're getting a little late to the game. Don't forget how long it takes for those BPO's to copy << cough cough>> market opportunity bottleneck << cough cough >>...
Java...
Because mining is what the cool kids do... |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:42:00 -
[60] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Driftfire wrote:Looking at the supply side Mercoxit is found in the sites:
Small 0; Medium 10,000; Large 10000; X Large 15000; Giant 15000;
I am also not getting the concept that Mecroxit is the ugly child of mining. Industry post appear to suggest that clearing our other ores is the pain.
To increase Morphite prouction significantly miners would also have to clear out all the other roids.... dingdingdingdingding morphite will be dramatically oversupplied because you must mine it out of those large sites to cycle them (and the standard way to deal with mining anoms is keep cycling the large), and this is how largescale mining is "done" in 0.0 (and will be much more common with the current prices, so much so i have to put together a system to manage these and avoid fights over people cherrypicking them at downtime) this supply of morphite will exceed demand, and result in prices being pushed back down, but since you must mine that morphite to cycle the anom for new good roids, you have to mine it even if you don't want it
Your arguement hinges on your assumption that Morcoxit is worthless: "morphite will be dramatically oversupplied because you must mine it out of those large sites to cycle them " - I guess it is the same way gold is.
And your extended arguement for it to crash is because it will have a 60% supply shortfall ( amount of morph from drones ) which makes no sense... |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:40:00 -
[61] - Quote
argh the stupid forums ate my post |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 18:44:00 -
[62] - Quote
Driftfire wrote: Your arguement hinges on your assumption that Morcoxit is worthless: "morphite will be dramatically oversupplied because you must mine it out of those large sites to cycle them " - I guess it is the same way gold is.
And your extended arguement for it to crash is because it will have a 60% supply shortfall ( amount of morph from drones ) which makes no sense...
im not really shocked you guys are having trouble understanding this because, well, you're idiots
morphite has a low, fixed demand that is relatively price-independent (it's a minor component of t2 and rarely a significant portion of the price). it will be produced in a price-independent way: it will be supplied every time someone wants to cycle a mining anomoly (and given prices exploding and that mining anoms mean you can infinitely mine in a refinery system they will be popular)
the combination of these two means that it's likely that these mining anoms will significantly oversupply morphite to empire and prices will not maintain current highs
now, you can still profit off the short-term spike: i more than quadrupled my money since i got in at 3.5k and got out at 14k, but over the long term other minerals will go up and morphite will go down |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:45:00 -
[63] - Quote
Revan Rotineque wrote:Yeah lol
Cos we all know Goons are well known miners right? Somebody want to see the market crash? ;) i ain't mined a single bit of ore in five years, i just make my money off knowing every last detail of everything |
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
47
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 18:59:00 -
[64] - Quote
A goon calling someone an idiot, pretty rich eh! I cant wait until the new modules come out and they use loads of Morphite (this is speculative) |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:13:00 -
[65] - Quote
(and given prices exploding and that mining anoms mean you can infinitely mine in a refinery system they will be popular)
Unfortunately you forgot about time......
Oooops |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 19:16:00 -
[66] - Quote
Driftfire wrote:(and given prices exploding and that mining anoms mean you can infinitely mine in a refinery system they will be popular)
Unfortunately you forgot about time......
Oooops no, i most definitely did not, but your post is too bare of content for me to identify which of several possible idiotic ideas you think rebut me so i can't do anything more than call you an idiot and hope you elaborate on your idioticy |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:27:00 -
[67] - Quote
You state that you can infinately mine a refinary system
But to acheive this, you forget that every roid needs to be mined this all takes time. Even your bloated alliance does not have infinite numbers.
Thus it is limited by the number of willing and able miners.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 19:30:00 -
[68] - Quote
i see so your particular brand of idioticy is "not understanding that belts have a capped amount of ore they have" and failing to understand how this differs from grav anoms, along with a good heaping of an inability to comprehend basic english
my god, that was even dumber than i expected |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 19:31:00 -
[69] - Quote
could you please elaborate on the incompetent boobery that led you to believe that what that sentence meant was that grav anoms would produce an infinite amount of minerals |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:32:00 -
[70] - Quote
like really, i would genuinely like to know how a thought process could be that damaged |
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Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:00:00 -
[71] - Quote
You Angry - Goonette? |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 20:20:00 -
[72] - Quote
i got tipped off you said the following:
"I know what ur goonie m8 is going on about c2, but it does not work on the price simulator - the other mins go down in price too fast to make Mercoxit worthless ( when clearing anoms )"
do you understand literally anything, at all, holy **** i'd love to hear the reasoning behind this it'll leave me rolling on the floor for hours |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:21:00 -
[73] - Quote
i am unironically excited at the possibility you would try to use math
come on, give it a shot, lets see what you can do |
Salarc
Non Offensive
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:47:00 -
[74] - Quote
<3 the rage |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
322
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:09:00 -
[75] - Quote
Hmm it seems like that i need to put all my cyno 5 alts in industry upgraded deklein systems for these many juicy hulk ganks this man claims. To respond on your offer; im glad to do this. Since i take a multi hulk gank over a tengu gank anyday, i will exra looking out for you and your friends on your request..
/Hemmo CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
VagabondAlt
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:50:00 -
[76] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Hmm it seems like that i need to put all my cyno 5 alts in industry upgraded deklein systems for these many juicy hulk ganks this man claims. To respond on your offer; im glad to do this. Since i take a multi hulk gank over a tengu gank anyday, i will exra looking out for you and your friends on your request..
/Hemmo please do, all miners are scum even if they're ours |
VagabondAlt
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:50:00 -
[77] - Quote
that said lol at the idea aaa could kill anything |
VagabondAlt
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:51:00 -
[78] - Quote
AAA, like IRC, likes to roleplay as rats for better alliances and killing them is about as hard as killing normal rats |
Ivan The Brute
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:35:00 -
[79] - Quote
VagabondAlt wrote:AAA, like IRC, likes to roleplay as rats for better alliances and killing them is about as hard as killing normal rats
This is soooo on topic, please tell me more |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
177
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:15:00 -
[80] - Quote
VagabondAlt wrote:AAA, like IRC, likes to roleplay as rats for better alliances and killing them is about as hard as killing normal rats they're doing a good job of killing our blackops pilots |
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
173
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Posted - 2012.04.20 05:30:00 -
[81] - Quote
Dammit corestwo, you got CAOD all up in my MD. Stop it.
/and yer little gooncronies too |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
179
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Posted - 2012.04.20 05:34:00 -
[82] - Quote
OllieNorth wrote:Dammit corestwo, you got CAOD all up in my MD. Stop it.
/and yer little gooncronies too
it's allowed if I'm making fun of my own pilots, which I was |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
322
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:25:00 -
[83] - Quote
i gues the real question is how many hours mining it takes per day to keep a large site in system each day... does anyone know? CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
199
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:12:00 -
[84] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:i gues the real question is how many hours mining it takes per day to keep a large site in system each day... does anyone know? 43 man hours to strip out a Large grav site, so twenty hulks can do it in a little over two hours. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
447
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:11:00 -
[85] - Quote
And down she goes. Better dump now. Noway it will ever go back up! Cut your losses while you can! Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
229
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:31:00 -
[86] - Quote
It's almost as if, when predicting weeks ago that Morphite would be oversupplied, I was right. |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
447
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:33:00 -
[87] - Quote
Thank you whoever dumped a few million units. Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
Nomika
The Cuban Connection Baja Panti Mafia
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:38:00 -
[88] - Quote
Riley Moore wrote: And down she goes. Better dump now. Noway it will ever go back up! Cut your losses while you can!
People are dumping there stock they have sat on for years, do to the high price cause by speculation. The market has not been hit by the any shortage yet. the real impact of the drone changes is likely months away.
the price is falling for now because there is a huge surplus. so now is not the time to sell all but to wait for the Morphite floor and buy more of it. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
229
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:42:00 -
[89] - Quote
If people were dumping stocks they had held "for years" and weren't complete idiots, they would have dumped two weeks ago when zyd peaked at 16k or so. |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:53:00 -
[90] - Quote
I guess people you not understood the size stock. The Buy volume has never been there, so off-loading of large stocks has not been possible |
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Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:55:00 -
[91] - Quote
Core - Morph was not over supplied by mining before.
To clarify Drone Poo + Mining oversupplied the market. However it was easy for mining to make up the shortfall - which they have done and more..
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
229
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:58:00 -
[92] - Quote
Sorry, yes, that's what I meant - it was oversupplied from what little mining occurred before, as well as drone poo, and now it's oversupplied again from pure mining.
Re-reading it, my sentence wasn't all that clear the first time |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2989
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:06:00 -
[93] - Quote
Driftfire wrote:Core - Morph was not over supplied by mining before.
To clarify Drone Poo + Mining oversupplied the market. However it was easy for mining to make up the shortfall - which they have done and more..
that sort of misses the point: the rise in other minerals, by making people mine grav anoms, will automatically oversupply morphite
it's not that people are mining morphite to make up the shortfall, they're madly mining everything in a grav anom and getting morphite as a byproduct: currently it's valuble, soon it shall be junk |
Lupinus Regaale
Altruism. Brosefs.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:31:00 -
[94] - Quote
having a good time :)
sold my stack at the peak, buying it again at the low. will wait out the great panic and sell at the next peak. awesome possum! |
Derp Durrr
Syrma Technology
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:37:00 -
[95] - Quote
lol seems like people finally found out the buy orders wouldnt even support one stockpile to be dumped, let alone a hundred... show's over people. might be a few orders left at 8 k for the rest of you |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:52:00 -
[96] - Quote
Well looked at supply vs demand and it was fun while the bubble lasted
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2989
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:24:00 -
[97] - Quote
the funny part is we even warned you, just because it's always hilarious telling you pubbies the unvarnished truth knowing you won't believe it |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
229
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:31:00 -
[98] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:the funny part is we even warned you, just because it's always hilarious telling you pubbies the unvarnished truth knowing you won't believe it
can't quote this enough |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
264
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:49:00 -
[99] - Quote
Can't trick me with your trickesses, goonie goonie goon goons. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
240
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:15:00 -
[100] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:i gues the real question is how many hours mining it takes per day to keep a large site in system each day... does anyone know?
Null sec mining Ops done right can wipe a morphite site in an hr. It's more to do with who is camping you. I actually expect Morphite to dry up and rise again but more like Megacyte, in a slow steady climb. This latest tank in morphite has all the markings of insider info though. |
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
229
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:23:00 -
[101] - Quote
Skydell wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:i gues the real question is how many hours mining it takes per day to keep a large site in system each day... does anyone know? Null sec mining Ops done right can wipe a morphite site in an hr. It's more to do with who is camping you. I actually expect Morphite to dry up and rise again but more like Megacyte, in a slow steady climb. This latest tank in morphite has all the markings of insider info though.
Confirming that goons are behind this and have inside information. |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:28:00 -
[102] - Quote
Or the actions of a lone rogue trader :p |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
229
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:33:00 -
[103] - Quote
Driftfire wrote:Or the actions of a lone rogue trader :p SHUSH YOU ITS ALWAYS TEH EBIL GOONIES |
Liberty Eternal
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:37:00 -
[104] - Quote
Oh, this is brutal. Never in the history of Jita stupidity have so few lost so much so quickly |
Derek Xallen
Belteaters
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:02:00 -
[105] - Quote
We saw similar things in the interdiction with people unloading stockpiles. And no doubt there would be a lot of drone loot stockpiles that were waiting to see if it would push up to a magical 20k/unit.
If pre-drone nerf volumes are anything to go by, then there's no way that miners could supply the morphite required. However i suspect the morphite consumed is far less than the volumes a particular market site would indicate, so who knows.
The question is how low will the dip be before demand takes back over. Taking a look at a range of T2 module volumes, miners can definitely supply the needed morphite, if they are dedicated enough. Miners being miners, they are also not particularly intelligent when it comes to cherry picking, so you could easily see the morphite price stabilising around 8,000 a unit for a while.
What will be interesting is how long it takes nullsec to start hunting these lvl 4 and 5 industry systems down, and camping them. |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:09:00 -
[106] - Quote
OK - to make it a level playing field some public knowledge: [
Pre Drone Nerf: John TurbefieldGÇÅ@CCP_Diagoras
40,146,724 - units of Morphite from refining in March. : ~1.3mil /day morph supplied. ( this include mining and drone poo )
John TurbefieldGÇÅ@CCP_Diagoras
Mercoxit, daily average for Feb: 381k units. Last 7 days average: 927k units. Up 143.12%. ( 26 April ) From ( Feb ) 807k to ( late april ) 1965k a day.
So since the nerf Morph supply has gone up - a lot!.... |
Ticarus Hellbrandt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:31:00 -
[107] - Quote
Driftfire wrote:OK - to make it a level playing field some public knowledge: [
Pre Drone Nerf: John TurbefieldGÇÅ@CCP_Diagoras
40,146,724 - units of Morphite from refining in March. : ~1.3mil /day morph supplied. ( this include mining and drone poo )
John TurbefieldGÇÅ@CCP_Diagoras
Mercoxit, daily average for Feb: 381k units. Last 7 days average: 927k units. Up 143.12%. ( 26 April ) From ( Feb ) 807k to ( late april ) 1965k a day.
So since the nerf Morph supply has gone up - a lot!....
Guess the question is: how long will the sudden upsurge in interest for mining last? |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
230
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:31:00 -
[108] - Quote
Derek Xallen wrote:If pre-drone nerf volumes are anything to go by, then there's no way that miners could supply the morphite required. However i suspect the morphite consumed is far less than the volumes a particular market site would indicate, so who knows.
You're so dead wrong it's not even funny, see the post above me. |
Derek Xallen
Belteaters
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:54:00 -
[109] - Quote
If the volume consumed is only in the 1.5 milion units range, then thats a mere 25-30 mining systems covering the demand. Right now if you look at the map there's a lot more than 30 systems with industry at 3 or above.
Thats a pretty scary thought for anyone holding major stockpiles who took a day off eve. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
893
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:09:00 -
[110] - Quote
Derek Xallen wrote:If the volume consumed is only in the 1.5 milion units range, then thats a mere 25-30 mining systems covering the demand. Right now if you look at the map there's a lot more than 30 systems with industry at 3 or above.
Thats a pretty scary thought for anyone holding major stockpiles who took a day off eve. They are going to be very, very upset when they wake up tomorrow.
Although to be fair, if they were sensible and bought their Morphite back in January-March time then they will still be up, they just won't be selling it at >10k a unit. Should be interesting to see what it settles at though.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
240
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:16:00 -
[111] - Quote
The thing with Industry index is, it doesn't make a system have minerals it never had so it's all coming from the same systems it always did. It won't take the cartel's of EVE to figure out what the new Tech moon Sov systems are going to be and start fighting over those systems. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
231
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:02:00 -
[112] - Quote
By the end of my rebuttal, no one is going to take you seriously. I hope you know that. I mean, no one took you seriously before, so they'll actually take you LESS seriously.
Back in March, 40 million units of morphite were produced, between mining and drone poo. We can safely assume that this amount is more or less consistent and had been for some time. That gives us a yield of ~1.33 million units per day, and was adequate to keep the price down in the 3-4k level until speculation started spiking it up.
According to the numbers Driftfire cited above, mining over the course of seven days recently - a few weeks back - produced ~1.9 million units of morphite, a considerable oversupply compared to previous levels. We can safely assume that this will tank the price; however, when it drops far enough supply drops off and prices rise, so miners come back, then it drops again, and so on.
After a time, prices reach equilibrium. Lets say for the sake of argument that this is 10k - its a nice round number, after all. Assuming that same earlier 1.9 million units mined, that makes the total monthly value of morphite out to be 570 billion isk, eve-wide.
Now that sounds like a nice fat number. It's really not - it's about half of Goonfleet's monthly technetium income. To make matters worse, unlike Technetium, morphite isn't controlled at the alliance level. Your miners have to mine it, and you can't tax them too heavily, or they simply won't. Naturally, some organizations are more or less generous than others, but lets say the average is 10%. We'll also assume for the naively hopeful sake of argument that miners don't simply skip out to lowsec to refine their ore, and so the corps and alliances involved receive all 10% of their tax.
Now the brighter readers out there have no doubt reached the obvious conclusion, but you seem to be a bit slow, so we'll spell it out. The ten percent tax taken out that is the corp's share is a mere 57 billion isk per month.
Now, 57 billion isk is hardly worth cartelling, is it? Certainly not, especially when controlling a significant portion would require holding enormous swathes of 0.0 space, no easy feat.
"But it's a cartel" you say! "Some mythical 0.0 entity takes over half of space, they control half the morphite supply, they can charge whatever they want!" Well, no, they don't. They control 5% of supply through their taxes. Their miners control the other 45%, and for a variety of reasons, that will make the cartel simply stop working, even without "the other half of Eve" out there. If you want a case study, just look at the old Northern Coalition. Sure Tech went up under them, but those were just normal market forces - an actual cartel, despite collectively controlling as much tech as we do now, was not possible. Imagine that times a thousand and you have our little thought experiment here.
Of course, this pile of words is rather invalidated by the fact that I'm about 99% sure that grav anomalies don't work the way you say anyway. So now you're a laughingstock for TWO reasons. As such, I suggest that, for your own good, you Stop Posting. |
Arugas Koken
Peregrine Guard
16
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:25:00 -
[113] - Quote
corestwo wrote:Of course, this pile of words is rather invalidated by the fact that I'm about 99% sure that grav anomalies don't work the way you say anyway. So now you're a laughingstock for TWO reasons. As such, I suggest that, for your own good, you Stop Posting.
Corestwo is correct. Grav sites don't work that way. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
240
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:17:00 -
[114] - Quote
corestwo wrote:By the end of my rebuttal, no one is going to take you seriously. I hope you know that. I mean, no one took you seriously before, so they'll actually take you LESS seriously.
You took me serious enough that you wrote a 20 minute OCD manifesto. Most of it I didn't read to be honest. There is a thing about mining in EVE. It's really, really, really boring. There is another thing about Null sec mining in EVE. You never do it for yourself. You do it for your corp or alliance. I've done Null mining Ops. I never saw a single mineral from any of them.
I fully expect the price of Morphite to go like a roller coaster for the immediate and extended future. When Null alliances are feeling the pinch, they will brown nose to their members to go out and mine the stuff, take it to Jita and make a payday. When they are high on the hog, they will have their members out doing pew-pew. There is no longer a region of EVE that make bills on Morphite and Zydrine so there is no longer a region of EVE that will, through necessity keep the markets of New Eden supplied in Morphite. Because it isn't passive like Moon Goo it isn't quite as easy to just roll it out to Jita and get a fat pay day. This is why, MoonSwarm boy, nobody takes- You - serious. You don't do well at thinking like or speaking for the other 99% of EVE who don't have Technetium based wallets. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
897
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Posted - 2012.05.02 10:11:00 -
[115] - Quote
Current price dip is just market manipulation, if you have any sense you'll just buy up their underpriced minerals and troll them a little. I already did this last night, and had one of them private convo and ask me to stop so he could continue trying to force the price to drop.
Me being an absolute douchebag, I refused and bought a little bit more just to troll him. Chat logs for anyone interested:
Quote:[ 2012.05.02 02:27:12 ] Simi Kusoni > ? n++[ 2012.05.02 02:27:50 ] x > hi n++[ 2012.05.02 02:27:58 ] x > how you doing moneybags? n++[ 2012.05.02 02:28:31 ] x > or maybe not so much now, lol n++[ 2012.05.02 02:28:48 ] Simi Kusoni > not bad thank you, although I'd say you certainly have quite a bit of isk yourself since I just bought a bit of zydrine off you :) n++[ 2012.05.02 02:29:06 ] x > I bought it at 700 n++[ 2012.05.02 02:29:13 ] x > you bought it at double what I paid n++[ 2012.05.02 02:29:29 ] Simi Kusoni > Aye, I have quite a bit too. Been buying zydrine and morphite since january :) n++[ 2012.05.02 02:29:55 ] x > you might want to let the market crash for a bit before you buy it all up n++[ 2012.05.02 02:30:10 ] Simi Kusoni > market started to raise, so I bought it up n++[ 2012.05.02 02:30:10 ] x > I mean c'mon, this downward trend will be temporary n++[ 2012.05.02 02:30:24 ] Simi Kusoni > Plus I'm off to bed, so won't be able to mess with market for another day or so :P n++[ 2012.05.02 02:30:30 ] x > dude, the people with the money make the market n++[ 2012.05.02 02:30:50 ] x > right now, you're a normalizing trend and that isn't good n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:09 ] Simi Kusoni > Aye, I'd have let morph and zydrine keep spiralling down if I wasn't about to log off for a few days :) n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:13 ] x > people can't make money off of the peaks and valleys if more people like you keep doing this n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:31 ] x > yeah I don't believe you n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:36 ] x > well take care n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:41 ] Simi Kusoni > I'm not particularly bothered n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:44 ] x > thanks for the isk n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:44 ] Simi Kusoni > fly safe o7
If you go down the list of sell orders in jita atm they're still trying to do it, or maybe different people now. Same guy is responsible for almost all the sell orders, and he is undercutting himself repeatedly by a considerable margin and posting loads of Zydrine in small bunches.
Bad attempt at market manipulation is bad. Wonder how much these guys lost. Also, morphite lowest sold is 1,000 ISK this morning? Someone selling a bit to themselves to try and lower the average, or did they really put some up at such a ******** price?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
15
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:20:00 -
[116] - Quote
Nothing is stable. Inferno has only just begun. There's gonna be more surprises coming down the pike. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ |
papamike
Precipice Industries
24
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:28:00 -
[117] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Current price dip is just market manipulation, if you have any sense you'll just buy up their underpriced minerals and troll them a little. I already did this last night, and had one of them private convo and ask me to stop so he could continue trying to force the price to drop. Me being an absolute douchebag, I refused and bought a little bit more just to troll him. Chat logs for anyone interested: Quote:[ 2012.05.02 02:27:12 ] Simi Kusoni > ? n++[ 2012.05.02 02:27:50 ] x > hi n++[ 2012.05.02 02:27:58 ] x > how you doing moneybags? n++[ 2012.05.02 02:28:31 ] x > or maybe not so much now, lol n++[ 2012.05.02 02:28:48 ] Simi Kusoni > not bad thank you, although I'd say you certainly have quite a bit of isk yourself since I just bought a bit of zydrine off you :) n++[ 2012.05.02 02:29:06 ] x > I bought it at 700 n++[ 2012.05.02 02:29:13 ] x > you bought it at double what I paid n++[ 2012.05.02 02:29:29 ] Simi Kusoni > Aye, I have quite a bit too. Been buying zydrine and morphite since january :) n++[ 2012.05.02 02:29:55 ] x > you might want to let the market crash for a bit before you buy it all up n++[ 2012.05.02 02:30:10 ] Simi Kusoni > market started to raise, so I bought it up n++[ 2012.05.02 02:30:10 ] x > I mean c'mon, this downward trend will be temporary n++[ 2012.05.02 02:30:24 ] Simi Kusoni > Plus I'm off to bed, so won't be able to mess with market for another day or so :P n++[ 2012.05.02 02:30:30 ] x > dude, the people with the money make the market n++[ 2012.05.02 02:30:50 ] x > right now, you're a normalizing trend and that isn't good n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:09 ] Simi Kusoni > Aye, I'd have let morph and zydrine keep spiralling down if I wasn't about to log off for a few days :) n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:13 ] x > people can't make money off of the peaks and valleys if more people like you keep doing this n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:31 ] x > yeah I don't believe you n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:36 ] x > well take care n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:41 ] Simi Kusoni > I'm not particularly bothered n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:44 ] x > thanks for the isk n++[ 2012.05.02 02:31:44 ] Simi Kusoni > fly safe o7 If you go down the list of sell orders in jita atm they're still trying to do it, or maybe different people now. Same guy is responsible for almost all the sell orders, and he is undercutting himself repeatedly by a considerable margin and posting loads of Zydrine in small bunches. Bad attempt at market manipulation is bad. Wonder how much these guys lost. Also, morphite lowest sold is 1,000 ISK this morning? Someone selling a bit to themselves to try and lower the average, or did they really put some up at such a ******** price?
Very much hoping this is accurate otherwise I'll put my hand up as being one other sheep who didnt see this coming. I was under the impression that morph would spike and then settle around 18k
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
231
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:03:00 -
[118] - Quote
Skydell wrote:You took me serious enough that you wrote a 20 minute OCD manifesto. Most of it I didn't read to be honest. There is a thing about mining in EVE. It's really, really, really boring. There is another thing about Null sec mining in EVE. You never do it for yourself. You do it for your corp or alliance. I've done Null mining Ops. I never saw a single mineral from any of them.
I fully expect the price of Morphite to go like a roller coaster for the immediate and extended future. When Null alliances are feeling the pinch, they will brown nose to their members to go out and mine the stuff, take it to Jita and make a payday. When they are high on the hog, they will have their members out doing pew-pew. There is no longer a region of EVE that make bills on Morphite and Zydrine so there is no longer a region of EVE that will, through necessity keep the markets of New Eden supplied in Morphite. Because it isn't passive like Moon Goo it isn't quite as easy to just roll it out to Jita and get a fat pay day. This is why, MoonSwarm boy, nobody takes- You - serious. You don't do well at thinking like or speaking for the other 99% of EVE who don't have Technetium based wallets. if you believe a word you typed here, you've lived in some really lousy null alliances, because I can't think of a time ever when goonfleet as a whole has had mandatory mining ops where the entire bounty goes to the corp.
i'll be sure to tell theta squad that no one voluntarily mines for themselves though. they'll be thrilled to know that they shouldn't actually be making 70-100m/hr.
ps - you're still wrong about how anomalies work |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2990
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:25:00 -
[119] - Quote
Skydell wrote: I fully expect the price of Morphite to go like a roller coaster for the immediate and extended future. When Null alliances are feeling the pinch, they will brown nose to their members to go out and mine the stuff, take it to Jita and make a payday.
no they wont you idiot because that won't make the alliance a cent |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2990
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:27:00 -
[120] - Quote
Skydell wrote:The thing with Industry index is, it doesn't make a system have minerals it never had so it's all coming from the same systems it always did. It won't take the cartel's of EVE to figure out what the new Tech moon Sov systems are going to be and start fighting over those systems. this is literally the stupidest thing I have read in days on these forums go back to your shame hole
the entire point of industry upgrades is they can be put anywhere in 0.0 and are the same anywhere: the mining anoms have a specific setup and group of asteroids that does not vary |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
902
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:28:00 -
[121] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Skydell wrote: I fully expect the price of Morphite to go like a roller coaster for the immediate and extended future. When Null alliances are feeling the pinch, they will brown nose to their members to go out and mine the stuff, take it to Jita and make a payday.
no they wont you idiot because that won't make the alliance a cent Apparently Skydell pays tax on his minerals? That kind of sucks.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
158
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:47:00 -
[122] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Skydell wrote:The thing with Industry index is, it doesn't make a system have minerals it never had so it's all coming from the same systems it always did. It won't take the cartel's of EVE to figure out what the new Tech moon Sov systems are going to be and start fighting over those systems. this is literally the stupidest thing I have read in days on these forums go back to your shame hole the entire point of industry upgrades is they can be put anywhere in 0.0 and are the same anywhere: the mining anoms have a specific setup and group of asteroids that does not vary
I was talking about Belts. If Hemo is your top ore, adding index 5 won't get you anything above Hemo. Just more of it.
As for Grav sites, unless you want T2 to look like blue loot, depending on Grav mining is a sure fire way to fail. You don't control what Signatures occur in a system and after the signature nerf it's all onboards anyway and onboards don't provide Grav sites.
You are talking out of your ass in order to win a troll contest on a forum. Nothing you have said so far works in the game. The plain and simple fact is, Morphite source got chopped in half at the source. Morphite sources that were being exploited got chopped by about 70%. Index is lost when you lose Sov and while Moonswarm and -A- get to hold thier Sov through super blobbing, every other alliance has around a one year shelf life for Sov, then it's time to evac.
I said a year ago, you tards were grooming FA for your next little pretend war. They have been reset? Moonswarm War forecast, complete. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3016
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:18:00 -
[123] - Quote
you are trivially correct that a thing you didn't say and is vaugely related to something you did say is actually true
the rest is utter nonsense and you have no idea what you're talking about and don't understand grav anomoly upgrades, I presume because you are a highsec pubbie who owns no space
i was going to list the wrong things in your post but it amounted to "all of them": go read bloodtear's guide it might explain it in simple enough terms for you to understand |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3016
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:18:00 -
[124] - Quote
i would like to lawl at goonswarm getting its space through super blobbing |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
252
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:18:00 -
[125] - Quote
My miner pals are telling me that they get ark and mercoxit in their grav sites in a system that definitely does not spawn Ark - we don't seem to get ark at all in Deklein, in fact. So I really don't know what to tell you about your thinking on grav sites other than "You're wrong."
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1006/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report.pdf might interest you, I understand specifics are out of date (more high ends spawn per anomaly now, mostly) but the generalities - including the fact that, and I quote, "all hidden belts of the same size are nearly identical."
Now maybe the authors of this quite thorough report were high on crack at the time of writing, but frankly, "nearly identical" sure doesn't sound like "Yeah they're all the same except this one is missing ark" to me.
Weaselior wrote:i would like to lawl at goonswarm getting its space through super blobbing we couldn't blob supercaps and so had to blob raw numbers instead.
oh wait that's why we kept our space, we got our space because tcf ~handed it to us on a plate~ |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3016
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:30:00 -
[126] - Quote
you don't control what signatures appear in a system (except through the system that I know nothing about where you do precisely that) |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
158
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:50:00 -
[127] - Quote
LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.
Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
253
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:56:00 -
[128] - Quote
Skydell wrote:The thing with Industry index is, it doesn't make a system have minerals it never had so it's all coming from the same systems it always did. It won't take the cartel's of EVE to figure out what the new Tech moon Sov systems are going to be and start fighting over those systems.
if it can be fought over it can be cartelled, so a page ago you're telling us all how morphite will totally get cartelled, now you're telling us that we must be really really sad and angry (we're not, by the way, taxing ratting and PI is much easier) that we can't?
i'm confused |
Lupinus Regaale
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:10:00 -
[129] - Quote
Let me put it this way: if there's anyone out there able to form a cartel based on Morphite, please do it. I believe a lot of people would be very very very, very very happy with this. with all the combined power of speculation, not much to stop morphite from gaining a few K's, right? oh wait... |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3023
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:00:00 -
[130] - Quote
Ocih wrote:LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.
Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw. see heres what you don't get, you're so dumb that beating your stupid ideas into the ground doesn't really take any effort
its not like you have ideas that are wrong in a hard to explain way you are simply wrong on easily verifiable basic facts |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
906
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:10:00 -
[131] - Quote
Ocih wrote:LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.
Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw. Wait, goons being the guys pressing for the technetium nerf?
Yeah, they must be real mad.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
241
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:18:00 -
[132] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Ocih wrote:LOL, you try too hard Moonswarm.
Unlike Tech you can't control morphite. Must really stick in your craw. see heres what you don't get, you're so dumb that beating your stupid ideas into the ground doesn't really take any effort its not like you have ideas that are wrong in a hard to explain way you are simply wrong on easily verifiable basic facts
So far all you have managed to do is make personal attacks and try so very hard to insult me. I haven't really seen anything to provide proof of any of your claims. You "say" Morphite is abundant but we all know better. Even at 20K per, Mining isn't going to compete with Anom ISK and the Centum blue loots it produces, let alone mission ISK. No matter how much Morphite you think is in the game, unless it sells for 25K or more, people aren't going to mine the stuff because you can make more doing just about anything else in the game. T2 Hulls don't get used, never have and never will. Even the mighty moonswarm has a main force of T1 Battle cruisers.
Still, if you want to mine the stuff for 5K p/u then feel free. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:37:00 -
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skydell learn about grav anoms before you humiliate yourself even more |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3024
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:38:00 -
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corestwo was generous enough to link you to a detailed description |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:46:00 -
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so i heard ccp is going to rebalance some T2 ships, will that have any effect on volume consumed? CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
254
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:49:00 -
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yes people aren't going to mine the stuff unless it's 25k or more, just like no one mined the stuff at a volume such that 1.9 million units were produced a day for a week straight (a volume exceeding production from pre-drone poo nerf) leading up to diagoras' tweets when the stuff was barely 15k.
that said at this point I think weaslior and I are being masterfully counter-trolled. I mean, "T2 Hulls don't get used, never have and never will." c'mon, really? way to give up the game, you did very well up until you said that. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3024
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:51:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:so i heard ccp is going to rebalance some T2 ships, will that have any effect on volume consumed?
unlikely: given skyrocketing tech prices it is likely t2 production is at its current maximum production, and you just can't produce more unless more tech is put into the system
so even with higher demand for t2 ships no more could be produced |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
906
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:17:00 -
[138] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:so i heard ccp is going to rebalance some T2 ships, will that have any effect on volume consumed? unlikely: given skyrocketing tech prices it is likely t2 production is at its current maximum production, and you just can't produce more unless more tech is put into the system so even with higher demand for t2 ships no more could be produced It should be interesting to see what escalation does about the technetium bottleneck (if anything).
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Illectroculus Defined
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:40:00 -
[139] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote: It should be interesting to see what escalation does about the technetium bottleneck (if anything).
You mean the escalation expansion released last week which did exactly nothing? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:03:00 -
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Illectroculus Defined wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: It should be interesting to see what escalation does about the technetium bottleneck (if anything).
You mean the escalation expansion released last week which did exactly nothing? No, I meant inferno, just made a typo :)
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
902
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:44:00 -
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Well, back in post #26, I speculated that a T2 skiff could mine about 4200 units/hr w/ Orca/Rorqual support:
ISK/u = ISK/hr 10k = 42.0M/hr 13k = 54.6M/hr 15k = 63.0M/hr 20k = 84.0M/hr 25k = 105.0M/hr 30k = 126.0M/hr
So if the high-end ABCs get stuck in the 300-350 ISK/m3 range (about 45-50M/hr for a Orca/Rorqual supported Hulk), then that would probably mean Morphite in the 10-13k ISK/u range. If we see the high-end ABC ores get up into the 450-500 ISK/m3 range (70-75M/hr), then 15-18k ISK/u is more likely.
Like corestwo, it's going to oscillate wildly for a while. And it will depend whether it's a "junk" ore needed to clear the anom.
I got caught with buy orders in the 14k ISK/u range... oops. |
Gizan
Hounds Of War WHY so Seri0Us
26
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:10:00 -
[142] - Quote
lets see, at current lowest sell order for minerals (morphite was ticked at 11.4)k in jita, a maxed out hulk with maxed rorqual bonus, mines
A - 52/55/58 B - 51/43/45 C - 39/40/43 M - 78/82/86
i used the hulk for the simple fact that with the rorqual bonus, you can tank the gas cloud that forms, also the range is longer.
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Gizan
Hounds Of War WHY so Seri0Us
26
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:14:00 -
[143] - Quote
Scrapyard Bob wrote:Well, back in post #26, I speculated that a T2 skiff could mine about 4200 units/hr w/ Orca/Rorqual support:
maxed skiff with t2 everything with rorqual bonus is 2146m3/cycle every 104 seconds.
thats 53 units/cycle and 34 cycles/hour, so 1802/hour not 4200.
1802*24,161(ore value) = 43.5m/hour with maxed skiff.
so your isk/hour is correct but your ore yeild/hour is wrong. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
248
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Posted - 2012.05.04 03:50:00 -
[144] - Quote
Scrapyard Bob wrote:Well, back in post #26, I speculated that a T2 skiff could mine about 4200 units/hr w/ Orca/Rorqual support:
ISK/u = ISK/hr 10k = 42.0M/hr 13k = 54.6M/hr 15k = 63.0M/hr 20k = 84.0M/hr 25k = 105.0M/hr 30k = 126.0M/hr
So if the high-end ABCs get stuck in the 300-350 ISK/m3 range (about 45-50M/hr for a Orca/Rorqual supported Hulk), then that would probably mean Morphite in the 10-13k ISK/u range. If we see the high-end ABC ores get up into the 450-500 ISK/m3 range (70-75M/hr), then 15-18k ISK/u is more likely.
Like corestwo, it's going to oscillate wildly for a while. And it will depend whether it's a "junk" ore needed to clear the anom.
I got caught with buy orders in the 14k ISK/u range... oops.
"it's going to oscillate wildly for a while" That introduces the added dynamic of manipulation. Something we see more and more of as players build up huge stocks of ISK. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
916
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:47:00 -
[145] - Quote
The 4200 units per hour is Morphite units/hr (not Mercx).
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
278
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:47:00 -
[146] - Quote
The oscillations don't have much to do with manipulation, really. Miners piled into the market, driving prices down, people panicked and drove them further, prices rise again as people think it's a safe bet and then fall again as people try to get out again, and so on. Eventually incidental supply from mining becomes large enough to serve as a damper on prices and, in all likelihood, keep them low. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:59:00 -
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corestwo wrote:The oscillations don't have much to do with manipulation, really. Miners piled into the market, driving prices down, people panicked and drove them further, prices rise again as people think it's a safe bet and then fall again as people try to get out again, and so on. Eventually incidental supply from mining becomes large enough to serve as a damper on prices and, in all likelihood, keep them low. Some of it has been from manipulation, yesterday when the morphite price dropped to 8k per unit it was the same person posting orders in stacks of ~50k. Undercutting himself by considerable amounts on each order to lower the price.
Same thing happened with Zydrine the day before that, albeit less successfully. They didn't even bother using different characters for all the orders, so it was pretty unsubtle of them.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Toma Muvila
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:13:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread tbh in rl i am a genius, skipped 4 classed, got 2 degrees allready & only 1 yr to go before im master in business mangament, economics and marketing. I un fortualy belong to the top 1% of ppl that is simply smarter.. not that it is something that i wish to other ppl, its more a pain than a gain. anyhow, ppl were allready buying up so lets call it a strategic move to prevent hugh stocks to be hamstered. therefor i love all the ppl that scream that it isnt going up more while ppl at sametime saying it is. this prevents ppl from taking the risk or gamble. result is lesser hamstered & sooner i can sell my stuff when prices are more stable by supply & demand. next lesson isnt free
Seriously what? Don't you know how easy it is to get a degree how these days how does getting 2 followed by a MBA make you a genius??
I was enjoying reading through this thread (ABC / Merco mining is something that interests me...) until this comment. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
618
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:48:00 -
[149] - Quote
confirming ******* around with eve markets makes you a geneeous |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3213
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:49:00 -
[150] - Quote
you bumped a month-old thread to respond to an incredibly blatant troll? |
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
330
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:14:00 -
[151] - Quote
Toma Muvila wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:-Hemmo read about the zydrine bubble some time ago -Hemmo felt genius and thought he should copy the exact same thing 3 weeks later and create a morphite bubble -Hemmo failed at giving convincingly reasons why morphite should become that rare
...what happened in this Thread tbh in rl i am a genius, skipped 4 classed, got 2 degrees allready & only 1 yr to go before im master in business mangament, economics and marketing. I un fortualy belong to the top 1% of ppl that is simply smarter.. not that it is something that i wish to other ppl, its more a pain than a gain. anyhow, ppl were allready buying up so lets call it a strategic move to prevent hugh stocks to be hamstered. therefor i love all the ppl that scream that it isnt going up more while ppl at sametime saying it is. this prevents ppl from taking the risk or gamble. result is lesser hamstered & sooner i can sell my stuff when prices are more stable by supply & demand. next lesson isnt free Seriously what? Don't you know how easy it is to get a degree how these days how does getting 2 followed by a MBA make you a genius?? I was enjoying reading through this thread (ABC / Merco mining is something that interests me...) until this comment.
Weaselior wrote:you bumped a month-old thread to respond to an incredibly blatant troll?
obvius is obvius, trolololnomnom
i could retrol him with his stupidity cause he thinks all degrees are the same all over the world,.... makes me wonder what the credibility of degrees are in north korea CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1162
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:35:00 -
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Ahh, the age old "my degree in x" internet argument from authority.
Such claims are worthless in an anonymous environment, posts and users are judged only by the intellectual value of their content and the reputation of the posters themselves. On the internet anyone can claim to be a superhero lawyer with ten degrees, what often gives the game away is their limited capacity to form coherent sentences or present ideas that don't completely suck.
Also I'm a billionaire astronaut, and I just stood up Megan Fox so I could finish writing this message.
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