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amarrsuit
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:49:00 -
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Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514? |
T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships
283
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:59:00 -
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No. ~As of 3.25.12, The Elk has officially returned to EVE. |
MrZany
Brood of Redemption
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:02:00 -
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amarrsuit wrote:Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514?
Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1371
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:03:00 -
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Why? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:06:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Why?
The same people responsible for driving this non-issue along would burn down CCP headquarters if it meant Mittens would get removed from the CSM or the game, and then unironically blame him for it. |
Riithi Bashere
The Red Circle Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:10:00 -
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MrZany wrote:amarrsuit wrote:Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514? Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony. Listen to the man...
It's massive bad-press, something we don't need at all.
I'd like nothing more then see mittens step down and get TwoStep as chair, but not for the cost of burning eve's reputation that's going on right now. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:16:00 -
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MrZany wrote:amarrsuit wrote:Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514? Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony. This. OP is a massive douchebag for even considering it. |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
188
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:17:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Why? The same people responsible for driving this non-issue along would burn down CCP headquarters if it meant Mittens would get removed from the CSM or the game, and then unironically blame him for it. While I wouldn't agree that it's a non-issue, I can't help but agree with everything else you said.
I've spread my thoughts on this across different threads, but I think this summarises it pretty well (for me...).
Sperging on Sony's twitter feed, as an EVE player, is just low, really really low... I don't want to tip your hand, but if you were serious about being a ****, you should have just picked up the phone and called them. |
Selinate
726
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:19:00 -
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try @jackbuser
He's the playstation network boss, it's somewhere to start. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:19:00 -
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One can only hope that this matter is dealt with quickly and that CCP then delete these threads.
They make us, the players look really bad. |
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Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:19:00 -
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Riithi Bashere wrote:MrZany wrote:amarrsuit wrote:Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514? Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony. Listen to the man... It's massive bad-press, something we don't need at all. I'd like nothing more then see mittens step down and get TwoStep as chair, but not for the cost of burning eve's reputation that's going on right now.
Tons of bad press already. Most gaming sites have the story already. I am surprised i have not seen it on main stream media in the US yet to be honest. The PC cursade in the US has been killing this country for years and they have almost completed their goal, the complete destruction of the United States of America as we know it today.
I do not like the goons from other games, I am new to EVE, so do not know much about them here expect the fact that it seems nothing changes from game to game with the goons. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
143
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:19:00 -
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MrZany wrote:Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony.
Yeah, agreed.
But CCP do need to do something sooner rather than later as it's already got out of hand. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:22:00 -
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Agree with all except the OP. If any reason to contact sony, it would be to promote and allow us to present the overall social dynamic of the eve universe in order to show that their investment into CCP is a good choice. Eve does have the best player community. I have channels I run independent from corp and alliance for purely social reasons. Some of the best gamer peeps I know anywhere and excellent conversations, group activity.
Heck, that is actually what we need. Remember the I was there bit of joke thread, but was still most part serious on facebook? Bit carebear but we should restart/find the this is my eve thread. Players just post what they do in eve, why they do should the press get bad. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5815
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:23:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Tons of bad press already. Most gaming sites have the story already. I am surprised i have not seen it on main stream media in the US yet to be honest. Maybe because there is no storyGǪ?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Riithi Bashere
The Red Circle Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Twulf wrote:Tons of bad press already. Most gaming sites have the story already. I am surprised i have not seen it on main stream media in the US yet to be honest. Maybe because there is no storyGǪ? Fox will find a way to make it a story, don't worry.
Remember the blue-sideboob with masseffect? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:33:00 -
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Riithi Bashere wrote:Fox will find a way to make it a story, don't worry.
Remember the blue-sideboob with masseffect?
Bioware/EA are far bigger, juicier targets than CCP, and a made-up sex scandal is far more alluring than "47 year old man almost bullied in video game nobody has heard of". |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5816
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:36:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Bioware/EA are far bigger, juicier targets than CCP, and a made-up sex scandal is far more alluring than "47 year old man almost bullied in video game nobody has heard of". Then again, s/he is rightGǪ it's Fox, after all.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Bioware/EA are far bigger, juicier targets than CCP, and a made-up sex scandal is far more alluring than "47 year old man almost bullied in video game nobody has heard of". Then again, s/he is rightGǪ it's Fox, after all.
Exactly, it's Fox, they'll do anything for ratings. A low level MMO from a country that 95% of their viewer base couldn't find on a map isn't exactly going to set people's soul alight, nor will the traumatic tale of an adult almost getting bullied but not really. |
Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:57:00 -
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MrZany wrote:amarrsuit wrote:Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514? Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony.
CCP *doing* nothing is reason enough. They will continue to do nothing. No harm was done, so they will carry on as if nothing happened. That's what most people see at this point anyway. They believe that as long as nothing happens, it's ok to do anything you want. Even mess with someones real life. So long as no-one is physically harmed or killed, anything goes. Because there is no such thing as emotional or psychological "hurt".
While some of these threads have merit, they do need to stop. People need to simply recognize that CCP and the Goons are one and the same, and they will continue to do whatever they want to do in regards to this issue.
If people want to see action taken, they need to contact places like Sony or news sources, etc. Whining here on the forum is "taking action" about equal to Alex "apologizing". It's words, not action.
Not worth the effort though. This has blown over already. Profit favors the prepared |
Glockshna Quant
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:59:00 -
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amarrsuit wrote:Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514? I hope there is some kind of tarnishing the reputation of ccp clause In the tos to warrant your sorry ass getting banned for even eluding to something like that. |
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:04:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote: CCP *doing* nothing is reason enough. They will continue to do nothing. No harm was done, so they will carry on as if nothing happened. That's what most people see at this point anyway. They believe that as long as nothing happens, it's ok to do anything you want. Even mess with someones real life. So long as no-one is physically harmed or killed, anything goes. Because there is no such thing as emotional or psychological "hurt".
While some of these threads have merit, they do need to stop. People need to simply recognize that CCP and the Goons are one and the same, and they will continue to do whatever they want to do in regards to this issue.
If people want to see action taken, they need to contact places like Sony or news sources, etc. Whining here on the forum is "taking action" about equal to Alex "apologizing". It's words, not action.
Not worth the effort though. This has blown over already.
According to CCP and Selene, stuff is being done and will find out exactly what in a few days from official statements. |
Glockshna Quant
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:05:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:MrZany wrote:amarrsuit wrote:Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514? Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony. CCP *doing* nothing is reason enough. They will continue to do nothing. No harm was done, so they will carry on as if nothing happened. That's what most people see at this point anyway. They believe that as long as nothing happens, it's ok to do anything you want. Even mess with someones real life. So long as no-one is physically harmed or killed, anything goes. Because there is no such thing as emotional or psychological "hurt". While some of these threads have merit, they do need to stop. People need to simply recognize that CCP and the Goons are one and the same, and they will continue to do whatever they want to do in regards to this issue. If people want to see action taken, they need to contact places like Sony or news sources, etc. Whining here on the forum is "taking action" about equal to Alex "apologizing". It's words, not action. Not worth the effort though. This has blown over already. If you don't like what Alex did while he was drunk off his ass then make another thread. Trying to in ANY WAY tarnish CCPs relationship with her partners over this is just blatant stupidity not to mention a gross over reaction. Take action against Alex if you feel like your head is planted far enough up your own ass to Merritt such action but intentionally trying to cause harm to CCP or EvE is taking it too far.
Tl;dr you are a moron, **** off.
Edit: also, inb4lock |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
165
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:09:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Riithi Bashere wrote:MrZany wrote:amarrsuit wrote:Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514? Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony. Listen to the man... It's massive bad-press, something we don't need at all. I'd like nothing more then see mittens step down and get TwoStep as chair, but not for the cost of burning eve's reputation that's going on right now. Tons of bad press already. Most gaming sites have the story already. I am surprised i have not seen it on main stream media in the US yet to be honest. The PC cursade in the US has been killing this country for years and they have almost completed their goal, the complete destruction of the United States of America as we know it today. I do not like the goons from other games, I am new to EVE, so do not know much about them here expect the fact that it seems nothing changes from game to game with the goons.
OMG mainstream media ahahahaha.
The only reason this story as as big as it is: player-created drama, MASSIVE drama. The news here really is not "Internet Spaceship Council Member Douche" but "EVE Online Players Like Shitstorms, Good At Causing Them". Actually, that's not news.
IMO, at this point the playerbase's reaction is starting to look like borderline ******** Goon-hate-fueled drama mongering. It's time to stop posting, seriously. All the stuff worth hearing has already been said, the issue is being addressed, it will be dealt with (whether you like the outcome or not). Go empty out your poopsocks, take a shower, open a window to avoid gassing yourself with your own farts. Just do something that's not badposting about the same old **** that's been said already, and probably better than you can say it. |
Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:17:00 -
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Glockshna Quant wrote:Evei Shard wrote: While some of these threads have merit, they do need to stop.
Not worth the effort though. This has blown over already.
If you don't like what Alex did while he was drunk off his ass then make another thread. Trying to in ANY WAY tarnish CCPs relationship with her partners over this is just blatant stupidity not to mention a gross over reaction. Take action against Alex if you feel like your head is planted far enough up your own ass to Merritt such action but intentionally trying to cause harm to CCP or EvE is taking it too far. Tl;dr you are a moron, **** off. Edit: also, inb4lock
Forgot to insert a tl;dr for you, there it is.
Profit favors the prepared |
C Genix
Alphane Research Co-operative
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:22:00 -
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Come the day, Babylon (read:CCP) will burn for it's part in this |
Bane Necran
174
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:24:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Why? The same people responsible for driving this non-issue along would burn down CCP headquarters if it meant Mittens would get removed from the CSM
I thought he already resigned. Or was that just more of his BS? |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
143
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:24:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:This has blown over already.
Not so sure it has, people are waiting to see what happens, I think we're in the eye of the storm at the moment. |
C Genix
Alphane Research Co-operative
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:24:00 -
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Smoke and mirrors while people may be dying is all |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:26:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:I thought he already resigned. Or was that just more of his BS?
Dunno, you'd have to ask him. I don't think he even got home from Iceland until today.
That said, if two step's twitter is any indication ( https://twitter.com//two_step_eve/status/184449371847393280 ), he was encouraged by at least him to not make a rash decision without thinking about it. Remember now, that's coming from the same person who would stand to inherit the chair. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3639
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:27:00 -
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C Genix wrote:@Bane
Smoke and mirrors while people may be dying is all
1000's of enraged goons ganking there little hearts out just now I'd imagine.... I'd dread to read there text logs
professor alphane doing more illiterate bleating
lol "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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stoicfaux
852
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:31:00 -
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MrZany wrote:amarrsuit wrote:Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514? Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony. ^^ This ^^. CCP has a lot invested in Dust and tbh, it really does represent a potentially huge paradigm shift in gaming.
There's enough backlash that Mittni will most likely lose the chair or even his seat on the CSM. However, this "scandal" won't cause the Goons to magically disappear or suddenly become weak and vulnerable. Even if Mittani is banned, it most likely won't be a perma-ban, so you'll see him again for CSM 8.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
503
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:32:00 -
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you see? right here.
They do not care at all about The Wis.
They're just looking to force CCP's hand. Its extremely selfish and far worse then what mittani ever did. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
442
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:37:00 -
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MrZany wrote:[quote=amarrsuit]
Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony.
the mittani (can no longer capitalize it) did that just fine all by his wittle wonesome self. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
442
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:41:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote: This has blown over already.
Unfortunately, with the conjunction of projects involving both nVidia and one of the LARGEST MULTINATIONALS ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET, Sony (think almost as big and as much power as Disney),.....it has not even BEGUN. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
C Genix
Alphane Research Co-operative
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:C Genix wrote:@Bane
Smoke and mirrors while people may be dying is all
1000's of enraged goons ganking there little hearts out just now I'd imagine.... I'd dread to read there text logs professor alphane doing more illiterate bleating lol
My CEO a Goon meme , I'm sure he'll be honoured |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
290
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:54:00 -
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As much as I disagreed with what occurred, once I'd stated my position on this I left it there for the situation to be dealt with. This is simply petty and vindictive, lashing out because you have an axe to grind and undermines any legitimate concerns that may have been put forward.
Alex could have been a lot more diplomatic in his approach on the matter that's caused this uproar, this is just childish and self serving. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
317
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:00:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:As much as I disagreed with what occurred, once I'd stated my position on this I left it there for the situation to be dealt with. This is simply petty and vindictive, lashing out because you have an axe to grind and undermines any legitimate concerns that may have been put forward.
Alex could have been a lot more diplomatic in his approach on the matter that's caused this uproar, this is just childish and self serving.
Yeah not like there isnt some Karmic justice playing out here for all the horrible things that Mittani and the goons have done playing out or anything. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:01:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:MrZany wrote:amarrsuit wrote:Anyone know the Twitter account of the SONY rep responsible for interfacing with CCP over DUST514? Don't do it bro. You will only hurt the game we love. CCP has done nothing in this instance to warrant you trying to damage their rep. w/ Sony. This. OP is a massive douchebag for even considering it.
I have to agree deal with **** in house... Don't be a ***** narc. |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
930
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:05:00 -
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It is utterly, utterly despicable and morally reprehensible to the very core to be deliberately trying to leverage this situation to your own gain.
You worthless, faceless and completely bankrupt human beings.
Dozens upon dozens of alts have been made to post hate at Mittens. He has been subjected to a constant tirade of hate, lies, false information and grandiose gesturing of the most disgusting nature. All of this, incidentally, against the real person, Alex.
And why? Because he made a flippant, tasteless comment saying people should contact an *in game* character.
If any of you are actually looking for the definition of cyber-bullying, look at your own actions.
Attempting to leverage CCPs financial situation and damage the future of a company because someone is BETTER AT A ******* GAME THAN YOU shows how completely imbalanced some of you really are.
Lynch mob mentality.
Jesus ******* christ. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1226
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:09:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:It is utterly, utterly despicable and morally reprehensible to the very core to be deliberately trying to leverage this situation to your own gain.
You worthless, faceless and completely bankrupt human beings.
Dozens upon dozens of alts have been made to post hate at Mittens. He has been subjected to a constant tirade of hate, lies, false information and grandiose gesturing of the most disgusting nature. All of this, incidentally, against the real person, Alex.
And why? Because he made a flippant, tasteless comment saying people should contact an *in game* character.
If any of you are actually looking for the definition of cyber-bullying, look at your own actions.
Attempting to leverage CCPs financial situation and damage the future of a company because someone is BETTER AT A ******* GAME THAN YOU shows how completely imbalanced some of you really are.
Lynch mob mentality.
Jesus ******* christ.
Quoted for the mutha fuckin truth!
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:11:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:It is utterly, utterly despicable and morally reprehensible to the very core to be deliberately trying to leverage this situation to your own gain.
You worthless, faceless and completely bankrupt human beings.
Dozens upon dozens of alts have been made to post hate at Mittens. He has been subjected to a constant tirade of hate, lies, false information and grandiose gesturing of the most disgusting nature. All of this, incidentally, against the real person, Alex.
And why? Because he made a flippant, tasteless comment saying people should contact an *in game* character.
If any of you are actually looking for the definition of cyber-bullying, look at your own actions.
Attempting to leverage CCPs financial situation and damage the future of a company because someone is BETTER AT A ******* GAME THAN YOU shows how completely imbalanced some of you really are.
Lynch mob mentality.
Jesus ******* christ.
You get what you pay for. Actions have consequences. HTFU. Only purpose is to ruin "your" game...
So **** you mittens little *****. What goes around comes around. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
327
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:14:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:It is utterly, utterly despicable and morally reprehensible to the very core to be deliberately trying to leverage this situation to your own gain.
You worthless, faceless and completely bankrupt human beings.
Dozens upon dozens of alts have been made to post hate at Mittens. He has been subjected to a constant tirade of hate, lies, false information and grandiose gesturing of the most disgusting nature. All of this, incidentally, against the real person, Alex.
And why? Because he made a flippant, tasteless comment saying people should contact an *in game* character.
If any of you are actually looking for the definition of cyber-bullying, look at your own actions.
Attempting to leverage CCPs financial situation and damage the future of a company because someone is BETTER AT A ******* GAME THAN YOU shows how completely imbalanced some of you really are.
Lynch mob mentality.
Jesus ******* christ.
Nope not lynch mob mentality
Lynch mob mentality is saying lets go harasses this guy until he kills himself for real. "OH i was just joking, even though hes dead I didnt really meant it. ""I was jut going along with eveyone else officer" would have been the next tag line and CCP closing its doors due to criminal investigations. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1226
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:23:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote: Nope not lynch mob mentality
Lynch mob mentality is saying lets go harasses this guy until he kills himself for real. "OH i was just joking, even though hes dead I didnt really meant it. ""I was jut going along with eveyone else officer" would have been the next tag line and CCP closing its doors due to criminal investigations.
Hey, what is The Mittani's real name? What is The Wis's real name?
Who is getting literally harassed? Thought so.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
934
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:24:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Nope not lynch mob mentality
Lynch mob mentality is saying lets go harasses this guy until he kills himself for real. "OH i was just joking, even though hes dead I didnt really meant it. ""I was jut going along with eveyone else officer" would have been the next tag line and CCP closing its doors due to criminal investigations.
Mittens' exact words:
"Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is"
I highlighted three words.
At the very worst you could say he was releasing information that would facilitate in-game harassment, which means he was giving someone else the means to violate the TOS, but in doing so violates no law himself. But here's the thing: he never actually says "go and harass the guy."
I know facts are inconvenient to you buttercup (and your anti mittens rhetoric before the elections was all over the place, BTW) but you can't simply put words into someone's mouth and expect him to be punished on what YOU keep saying he said, despite it being a falsehood.
So yes, making something up, spreading it around and trying to force action against it based on lies is a pretty good modern definition of a lynch mob / witch hunt. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:25:00 -
[45] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Nope not lynch mob mentality
Lynch mob mentality is saying lets go harasses this guy until he kills himself for real. "OH i was just joking, even though hes dead I didnt really meant it. ""I was jut going along with eveyone else officer" would have been the next tag line and CCP closing its doors due to criminal investigations.
Hey, what is The Mittani's real name? What is The Wis's real name? Who is getting literally harassed? Thought so. -Liang
And who put his name out there by his own will?
Jezzz people are so ******* stupid. |
Vorlain
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:29:00 -
[46] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:It is utterly, utterly despicable and morally reprehensible to the very core to be deliberately trying to leverage this situation to your own gain.
I certainly agree, there is no need to want to try and drag CCP through the ringer, this was not of their making it was mittani's and he is the one that needs to take ownership of it.
Trying to damage CCP via Sony just hurts us the player base even more then what mittani has already done. This is why the CSM needs to act swiftly and not delay to bring this sordid affair to a close.
I find it hypocritical however to try and defend mittani and the attacks if that what you want to call it on him as that's Goons bread and butter and always has been they want to "ruin your game"... that's what they are about, that's what the presentation was about and that is what mittani is about.
Problem is he crossed over the boundary of whats acceptable in our online reality and into our real lives, now he has to own up to that which he is doing a rather good job of so far from what I can tell, a much better job then his supporters and defenders. He at least recognises the harm he has done and that it was wrong and that he needs to make it right. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
480
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:30:00 -
[47] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Tippia wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Bioware/EA are far bigger, juicier targets than CCP, and a made-up sex scandal is far more alluring than "47 year old man almost bullied in video game nobody has heard of". Then again, s/he is rightGǪ it's Fox, after all. Exactly, it's Fox, they'll do anything for ratings. A low level MMO from a country that 95% of their viewer base couldn't find on a map isn't exactly going to set people's soul alight, nor will the traumatic tale of an adult almost getting bullied but not really.
I think you're being very generous if you think 5% of Fox' viewer base could find Iceland on a map. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:32:00 -
[48] - Quote
Misanth wrote:I think you're being very generous if you think 5% of Fox' viewer base could find Iceland on a map.
The 5% are the people that watch it for comedy's sake |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
333
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:35:00 -
[49] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Nope not lynch mob mentality
Lynch mob mentality is saying lets go harasses this guy until he kills himself for real. "OH i was just joking, even though hes dead I didnt really meant it. ""I was jut going along with eveyone else officer" would have been the next tag line and CCP closing its doors due to criminal investigations. Mittens' exact words: "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is" I highlighted three words. At the very worst you could say he was releasing information that would facilitate in-game harassment, which means he was giving someone else the means to violate the TOS, but in doing so violates no law himself. But here's the thing: he never actually says "go and harass the guy." I know facts are inconvenient to you buttercup (and your anti mittens rhetoric before the elections was all over the place, BTW) but you can't simply put words into someone's mouth and expect him to be punished on what YOU keep saying he said, despite it being a falsehood. So yes, making something up, spreading it around and trying to force action against it based on lies is a pretty good modern definition of a lynch mob / witch hunt.
You first off dont know a damn thing about a lunch mob.
And what you highlighted is clear proof of im inciting violence against another player.
And in the context of him being suicide.
In that context he meant to harass someone until they killed themselves in real life.
Completely unforgivable conduct for any CSM member let alone the chair. |
Amarr Mech
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:38:00 -
[50] - Quote
I highly disagree with the intentions that requesting this info is for. But the Goons and other players like them have sort of brought this behavior on themselves with the constant **** on everyone you can actions. There are going to be people that are willing to burn this game to the ground in order to exact some kind of revenge. Its really sad but they will do everything they can to make it happen. |
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The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:38:00 -
[51] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Nope not lynch mob mentality
Lynch mob mentality is saying lets go harasses this guy until he kills himself for real. "OH i was just joking, even though hes dead I didnt really meant it. ""I was jut going along with eveyone else officer" would have been the next tag line and CCP closing its doors due to criminal investigations. Mittens' exact words: "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is" I highlighted three words. At the very worst you could say he was releasing information that would facilitate in-game harassment, which means he was giving someone else the means to violate the TOS, but in doing so violates no law himself. But here's the thing: he never actually says "go and harass the guy." I know facts are inconvenient to you buttercup (and your anti mittens rhetoric before the elections was all over the place, BTW) but you can't simply put words into someone's mouth and expect him to be punished on what YOU keep saying he said, despite it being a falsehood. So yes, making something up, spreading it around and trying to force action against it based on lies is a pretty good modern definition of a lynch mob / witch hunt.
You're getting hung up on the semantics when the spirit of it was pretty clear - the entire panel was about the delicious tears they were enjoying at the expense of others - schadenfreude.
But I must say, these Goon tears are most delectable, I never would have guessed. And it would seem there's indeed an anti-goon movement creeping in, with the sole purpose of destroying your game.
I don't have a dog in this hunt, but the result seems pretty clear from this perspective. Action will be taken, how severe remains to be seen - regardless I'll be here with my popcorn to watch. Never stop posting, please... it's too damned entertaining. |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
936
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:41:00 -
[52] - Quote
Vorlain wrote:[quote=Khanh'rhh]Problem is he crossed over the boundary of whats acceptable in our online reality and into our real lives
Based on whose interpretation, of what law?
I will remind you that there are many, many controversial political pundits, politicians, journalists and comedians who have said a lot worse than this. You may want to note: none are in jail. This would be because it is not illegal to offend someones taste of decency.
If Mittens had stood there and said:
- I want this guy dead, make it happen - Here is his in game name, find him and make him die - I am not joking, he should actually die
Or anything of the sort, I would NOT be defending the man.
I am defending him because words matter. I am defending him because context matters. I am defending him because the allegations being made against him are wholly inaccurate, are lies, or are intentionally worded in a manner which leaves the wrong impression DESPITE his actual comments being publicly view-able by all. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
333
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:44:00 -
[53] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Vorlain wrote:[quote=Khanh'rhh]Problem is he crossed over the boundary of whats acceptable in our online reality and into our real lives Based on whose interpretation, of what law? I will remind you that there are many, many controversial political pundits, politicians, journalists and comedians who have said a lot worse than this. You may want to note: none are in jail. This would be because it is not illegal to offend someones taste of decency. If Mittens had stood there and said: - I want this guy dead, make it happen - Here is his in game name, find him and make him die - I am not joking, he should actually die Or anything of the sort, I would NOT be defending the man. I am defending him because words matter. I am defending him because context matters. I am defending him because the allegations being made against him are wholly inaccurate, are lies, or are intentionally worded in a manner which leaves the wrong impression DESPITE his actual comments being publicly view-able by all.
He was inciting people to basically murder another person through internet harassment. Just that is enough.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:44:00 -
[54] - Quote
The F Word wrote:You're getting hung up on the semantics when the spirit of it was pretty clear - the entire panel was about the delicious tears they were enjoying at the expense of others - schadenfreude.
You're very right, the spirit was clear. Clear to the goons listening, who promptly did nothing. Clear to the players listening, who promptly did nothing. That's why he didn't get harassed over this, and why this was a complete non-issue until a few days later when someone smelled a metagaming opportunity. |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
936
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:45:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:In that context he meant to harass someone until they killed themselves in real life
You cannot honestly believe that.
I know, I know. You want him gone. So you'll just keep on and on and on until people start believing it, but anyone watching that video can see he is not literally advovating his death.
I will repeat the line one last time:
"Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself"
Just, really. Tell me which part of that he is stating HE WANTS IT to happen, please?
He said "if YOU" want him to die.
Just gonna keep posting the facts until you shut the **** up. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:49:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote: He was inciting people to basically murder another person through internet harassment. Just that is enough. That was the context.
No, he really wasn't. At worst he was inciting people to grief an in game character whose out of game person was suspected of having suicidal tendencies at one point. You are cheapening actual cyber bullying and attempted murder for the purposes of meta gaming.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:51:00 -
[57] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:The F Word wrote:You're getting hung up on the semantics when the spirit of it was pretty clear - the entire panel was about the delicious tears they were enjoying at the expense of others - schadenfreude. You're very right, the spirit was clear. Clear to the goons listening, who promptly did nothing. Clear to the players listening, who promptly did nothing. That's why he didn't get harassed over this, and why this was a complete non-issue until a few days later when someone smelled a metagaming opportunity.
Except this wasn't an inside joke, the venue was wrong.
I can sympathize with a young man being in Iceland (far away from home), getting drunk (no driving needed - balls out), and then proceeding to have verbal diarrhea. It happens all the time. Except this time is was during a live event, in front of a crowd, watched by thousands. This time he was speaking as the chairman of the CSM, among other things.
If you build up a reputation as a self-proclaimed douche, you should probably be a little more candid about how you conduct yourself in front of others - particularly those with an agenda. He set himself up for failure - and saw it through.
Has too much been made of it? Of course... that's obvious. But it's a slow motion train wreck at this point, and there's no stopping the carnage regardless of whether it's warranted or not.
And that is what makes this whole thing so interesting. |
Vorlain
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:52:00 -
[58] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:You may want to note: none are in jail. ...I am defending him.
Well first of you are wrong plan and simple plenty of people have been jailed for inciting hate crimes, including inciting others to cause harm. Plenty of Political figures have also lost their jobs and faced criminal proceeding over similar gaffes.
The loud and manic manner is which he proclaimed "Find HIM" is a clear direction to cause harm. Lets be clear no one has taken office as the presentation itself mocking this person, the offense is of the declaration to cause this person harm. Which is quite illegal in many many countries including the US and Iceland.
I suggest you actually do a bit of research on that score. The context you also need to focus on a bit is the fact this isn't joe average or some shock jock who doesn't claim to represent anyone other then themselves. This is the CSM Chairmen who stands up and says I keep CCP accountable and I represent the entire player base.
but really we can cut all that out, you say you are defending him and that is your right, but have you stopped to consider that mittani himself has clearly come out and said it's not defensible? Maybe he just understands the higher virtues in play then his would be defenders.
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Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:54:00 -
[59] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:It is utterly, utterly despicable and morally reprehensible to the very core to be deliberately trying to leverage this situation to your own gain.
You worthless, faceless and completely bankrupt human beings.
Dozens upon dozens of alts have been made to post hate at Mittens. He has been subjected to a constant tirade of hate, lies, false information and grandiose gesturing of the most disgusting nature. All of this, incidentally, against the real person, Alex.
And why? Because he made a flippant, tasteless comment saying people should contact an *in game* character.
If any of you are actually looking for the definition of cyber-bullying, look at your own actions.
Attempting to leverage CCPs financial situation and damage the future of a company because someone is BETTER AT A ******* GAME THAN YOU shows how completely imbalanced some of you really are.
Lynch mob mentality.
Jesus ******* christ.
I like the cut of your jib, good sir. Oh look, a copy of NC's forums: http://dumps.eve-leaks.co.uk/nc-dot.com/forum.html |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
339
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:57:00 -
[60] - Quote
Vorlain wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:You may want to note: none are in jail. ...I am defending him. Well first of you are wrong plan and simple plenty of people have been jailed for inciting hate crimes, including inciting others to cause harm. Plenty of Political figures have also lost their jobs and faced criminal proceeding over similar gaffes. The loud and manic manner is which he proclaimed "Find HIM" is a clear direction to cause harm. Lets be clear no one has taken office as the presentation itself mocking this person, the offense is of the declaration to cause this person harm. Which is quite illegal in many many countries including the US and Iceland. I suggest you actually do a bit of research on that score. The context you also need to focus on a bit is the fact this isn't joe average or some shock jock who doesn't claim to represent anyone other then themselves. This is the CSM Chairmen who stands up and says I keep CCP accountable and I represent the entire player base. but really we can cut all that out, you say you are defending him and that is your right, but have you stopped to consider that mittani himself has clearly come out and said it's not defensible? Maybe he just understands the higher virtues in play then his would be defenders.
You should not be under the impression that he actually seeks to learn and understand why what Alex did was so bad. He has no interest in the truth. He is part of the goon cult mind as near as i can tell.
And liang yes i do think he didnt care that he would cause possible IRL harm to someone. Thats why he needs to step down from the CSM now. |
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:57:00 -
[61] - Quote
Well SOE keeps a Twitter account HERE
They are not that hard to find and are open to fans posting what they will so if you want to see what SOE and their anti-bully stance says on this mess, go find out. |
Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:58:00 -
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Vorlain wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:You may want to note: none are in jail. ...I am defending him. Well first of you are wrong plan and simple plenty of people have been jailed for inciting hate crimes, including inciting others to cause harm. Plenty of Political figures have also lost their jobs and faced criminal proceeding over similar gaffes.
A few comments: - It is not a hate crime. Suggesting it as such is ******* absurd. - He did not incite others to cause harm. At worst he incited people to grief someone in game. - You equate in game politics to out of game politics. They are not the same.
Quote: The loud and manic manner is which he proclaimed "Find HIM" is a clear direction to cause harm. Lets be clear no one has taken office as the presentation itself mocking this person, the offense is of the declaration to cause this person harm. Which is quite illegal in many many countries including the US and Iceland.
Actually, no. See - "THE WIS" doesn't exist outside of Eve Online. There wasn't a law broken except perhaps public drunkenness. Also, cyber bullying laws are almost universally geared towards school aged children. On the off chance I'm wrong, please cite several of these laws that you believe have been broken. Please also cite politicians and other people who have been convicted and provide parallels to the case with The Mittani.
And please remember that in game is in game and out of game is out of game.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:00:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote: And liang yes i do think he didnt care that he would cause possible IRL harm to someone. Thats why he needs to step down from the CSM now.
He absolutely did step over a line. That's why he needed to issue an apology - which he did. People like you are willing to burn Eve to the ground in an effort to destroy someone whose real name you actually know.
If anyone is guilty of harassment.... its you.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
76
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:00:00 -
[64] - Quote
The F Word wrote:Snow Axe wrote:The F Word wrote:You're getting hung up on the semantics when the spirit of it was pretty clear - the entire panel was about the delicious tears they were enjoying at the expense of others - schadenfreude. You're very right, the spirit was clear. Clear to the goons listening, who promptly did nothing. Clear to the players listening, who promptly did nothing. That's why he didn't get harassed over this, and why this was a complete non-issue until a few days later when someone smelled a metagaming opportunity. Except this wasn't an inside joke, the venue was wrong. I can sympathize with a young man being in Iceland (far away from home), getting drunk (no driving needed - balls out), and then proceeding to have verbal diarrhea. It happens all the time. Except this time is was during a live event, in front of a crowd, watched by thousands. This time he was speaking as the chairman of the CSM, among other things. If you build up a reputation as a self-proclaimed douche, you should probably be a little more candid about how you conduct yourself in front of others - particularly those with an agenda. He set himself up for failure - and saw it through. Has too much been made of it? Of course... that's obvious. But it's a slow motion train wreck at this point, and there's no stopping the carnage regardless of whether it's warranted or not. And that is what makes this whole thing so interesting.
QFT.
Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI from about 1:01:30 and tell me that the Chairman of the CSM and CEO of the largest Alliance in Eve didn't harm the game's reputation on a live world wide web feed. The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:01:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:[ QFT. Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI from about 1:01:30 and tell me that the Chairman of the CSM and CEO of the largest Alliance in Eve didn't harm the game's reputation on a live world wide web feed.
He didn't harm the game's reputation on a live world wide web feed.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
941
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:05:00 -
[66] - Quote
Vorlain wrote:The loud and manic manner is which he proclaimed "Find HIM" is a clear direction to cause harm.
Have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E7Ki91U-mBE#t=4315s
If by "loud and manic" you mean "jovially and ..."
Wait. What was your point?
Just watch the ******* clip and tell me that is anything other than a drunken, flippant comment. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:06:00 -
[67] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Bibosikus wrote:[ QFT. Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI from about 1:01:30 and tell me that the Chairman of the CSM and CEO of the largest Alliance in Eve didn't harm the game's reputation on a live world wide web feed. He didn't harm the game's reputation on a live world wide web feed. -Liang
He did it a favor?
He merely confirmed what every non-player already suspected?
He got himself written about on a dozen or so gaming websites, forever linking his real name to a cyber-bully(rightfully or not) incident while wearing a wizard hat?
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
341
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:06:00 -
[68] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:RougeOperator wrote: And liang yes i do think he didnt care that he would cause possible IRL harm to someone. Thats why he needs to step down from the CSM now.
He absolutely did step over a line. That's why he needed to issue an apology - which he did. People like you are willing to burn Eve to the ground in an effort to destroy someone whose real name you actually know. If anyone is guilty of harassment.... its you. -Liang
How so. lay it on me. |
Vorlain
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:07:00 -
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Well lets start with it happened out of game, so it's an out of game issue. Let's then look at the Q&A comments by mittani in which he stated;
GÇ£Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is XXXXXGÇ¥
followed up with;
"Find Him"
He didn't say oh incidentally if you want to grief him.. he said if you want him to kill himself.. that's out of game, can't do it in game now can you and finally the direction to find him clearly endorses that outcome.
I have not ever mentioned cyber bulling, this didn't happen online it happened in person at Fanfest on Camera. No different to the leader of the *** getting up and saying go find a ****** to hang.
Again go back and read Mittani's own position on it, cause I think it speaks volumes... at least he knows right from wrong.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:09:00 -
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The F Word wrote: He did it a favor?
He merely confirmed what every non-player already suspected?
He got himself written about on a dozen or so gaming websites, forever linking his real name to a cyber-bully(rightfully or not) incident while wearing a wizard hat?
Let me introduce you to a video game I play: Eve "Controversy" Online. See, Controversy is Eve's middle name because she's mixed up in it so often. In every one of those controversies there have been people like you claiming that the controversy has hurt the game... but Every... Single... Time... those controversies have in fact grown the community closer and provided more people.
The only controversy that I'm really willing to concede really hurt the game was T20 - where the devs literally and directly violated the "sanctity" of the sandbox by having devs literally cheat at their own game.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
341
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:09:00 -
[71] - Quote
Yeah Im sure the goons took it the same way you did.
Not to mention other pets and sycophants that would do it just to say "LOL i did what you said Mittens."
We are talking about a known quality of person that is the GOON player and friends. Known behavior and actions as well.
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Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
941
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:12:00 -
[72] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Yeah Im sure the goons took it the same way you did. Not to mention other pets and sycophants that would do it just to say "LOL i did what you said Mittens." We are talking about a known quality of person that is the GOON player and friends. Known behavior and actions as well.
You're a class act mate, you really are.
You are blatantly ignoring video evidence that every single ******* **** post you've thrown out in the past two days is a lie.
You will now start posting the same **** in another thread, hoping people listen to you and don't actually watch the video.
You cannot watch that video with a sound mind and think the person there is literally calling out to people who support him to cause the death of the guy.
If you do, you need a serious long hard reality check my friend. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Savion Chastis
Golden Sail Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:13:00 -
[73] - Quote
At this point I'm not sure who is worse. The goons or the people gunning for their CEO.
Dude said some incredibly stupid **** that may have a serious impact. Regardless of what the outcome is, it's time to sit back and let CCP , and the parties actually involved handle it. TBH I feel sorry for the man behind Mitanni as well. This is not how I would want to learn my lessons. What was needed to be said by the community has been said. Both sides are actually hurting their case more the more they talk in circles. Gives you more time to say something stupid as well.
I've seen just as many d*bag comments from the people against this as I have from the goons and their supporters....
If CCP wanted your opinon , they'd ask for it. HTFU and let them do their job |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:13:00 -
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Actually, no one has contacted The Wis to grief him. The guy didn't even know about it until a couple of days ago when someone asked him how he felt about it. The Wis basically said he didn't give a **** what was said. |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
941
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:14:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:[quote=Vorlain]The loud and manic manner is which he proclaimed "Find HIM" is a clear direction to cause harm. "LOL i did what you said Mittens." They are physically unable to "do what he said" because what he said did not instruct an action.
It was a statement giving information to people which could be used to harass the guy in-game. He didn't EVEN say go harass him in game.
Remember (sorry, facts again!)
"If YOU WANT to make him .." - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:14:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:The F Word wrote: He did it a favor?
He merely confirmed what every non-player already suspected?
He got himself written about on a dozen or so gaming websites, forever linking his real name to a cyber-bully(rightfully or not) incident while wearing a wizard hat?
Let me introduce you to a video game I play: Eve "Controversy" Online. See, Controversy is Eve's middle name because she's mixed up in it so often. In every one of those controversies there have been people like you claiming that the controversy has hurt the game... but Every... Single... Time... those controversies have in fact grown the community closer and provided more people. The only controversy that I'm really willing to concede really hurt the game was T20 - where the devs literally and directly violated the "sanctity" of the sandbox by having devs literally cheat at their own game. -Liang
Yes yes.. and the boot.ini issue didn't help.
Frankly noone I know is intrigued by the meta-gaming that occurs in Eve, they aren't hard core enough I suppose - too mainstream. Most are put off by it, and that's ok.
For the most part, any press is good press - and this will work out for CCP, they've demonstrated their ability to pivot pretty quickly should the need arise.
I was more pointing out the fact that this 'wizard' managed to put himself in a position of being made a spectacle on the tubes. That's about as bright as the 'victim' having his personal details in his bio....
T20 is a non-issue at this point - this is fresh controversy, there's blood in the water and the sharks are hungry. By virtue of who has been courted, so it goes.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1228
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:15:00 -
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Vorlain wrote:Well lets start with it happened out of game, so it's an out of game issue. Let's then look at the Q&A comments by mittani in which he stated;
GÇ£Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is XXXXXGÇ¥
followed up with;
"Find Him"
He didn't say oh incidentally if you want to grief him.. he said if you want him to kill himself.. that's out of game, can't do it in game now can you and finally the direction to find him clearly endorses that outcome.
I have not ever mentioned cyber bulling, this didn't happen online it happened in person at Fanfest on Camera. No different to the leader of the *** getting up and saying go find a ****** to hang.
Again go back and read Mittani's own position on it, cause I think it speaks volumes... at least he knows right from wrong.
No one is saying he didn't **** up - least of all me. What I'm saying is that the apology was sufficient to the **** up. At worst he incited people to grief someone in game. As far as I'm aware, nobody in game knows The Wis's real name and nobody has harassed him as a result of this except for his white knights.
Basically what we're saying is that the sudden spike of Preachers, Popes, and Internet Lawyers we're seeing on Eve-O are simply people hopping on a bandwagon constructed to defame a person who has given his real life name. The people in this band wagon have gone so far as to deliver literal threats of personal violence and discuss the various ways in which The Mittani should be physically murdered. Yet nobody is really calling them out on that because its all fine. Right?
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Altimo
Clan Hyena Axiom Solaris
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:26:00 -
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This wasn't cyber harassment or whatever, This only became cyber harassment when some moron decided to post this to every news site imaginable, where we just see copies of what was posted from another site.
The real harassment begins there, This kind of thing didn't need to be posted all over the web, and the real harassment is now being directed at Alex, the real player behind Mittani.
All of this issue the evemail was an ingame issue, it could have been resolved in game, and didn't need to resort to this, The lot of you that think this is okay, the publicity or whatever, Keep it up. The community is very well capable of destroying EVE just as much as CCP is themselves. |
Funkert
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:30:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:QFT. Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI from about 1:01:30 and tell me that the Chairman of the CSM and CEO of the largest Alliance in Eve didn't harm the game's reputation on a live world wide web feed.
He did not hurt the game's reputation in the slightest. There was only a handful of eve-loving neckbeards watching that stream. I'm pretty sure most of them weren't the least bit shocked at the time.
Its the few bitter persons rallying a thousand sperglords and writing their teary eyed letters to the press that will be the ones that hurt the game in the end*
Also, if you really want to force CCP's hand, do the only thing that has worked so far. Unsub. I dare you. Not nearly enough of you have the heart to do it to even make CCP raise an eyebrow. Because in the end you don't give a **** about that miner, you just want to see the world burn.(ingame)
*if, as one of the above posters noted, any harm comes from it at all
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
481
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:34:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:RougeOperator wrote: And liang yes i do think he didnt care that he would cause possible IRL harm to someone. Thats why he needs to step down from the CSM now.
He absolutely did step over a line. That's why he needed to issue an apology - which he did. People like you are willing to burn Eve to the ground in an effort to destroy someone whose real name you actually know. If anyone is guilty of harassment.... its you. -Liang
Let's elaborate on that. * We all know that at Fanfest people get drunk, and CCP themselves have had the famous drink-with-devs sessions and the beer ship presenting Oveur in 2009, just some examples. * We also all know that goons 'mission statement' is to ruin whichever games they join, EVE is just one of many. * We also know some of the higher up devs are goons.
Add those together, and you could in fact claim that Mittens really just 'was the person he is' and 'doing what was expected of him'. In light of that, maybe the blame should be put at CCP for allowing goons to infest this game for so long? Mittens is just a victim of circumstances!
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Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
79
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:35:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote: No one is saying he didn't **** up - least of all me. What I'm saying is that the apology was sufficient to the **** up. At worst he incited people to grief someone in game. As far as I'm aware, nobody in game knows The Wis's real name and nobody has harassed him as a result of this except for his white knights.
Basically what we're saying is that the sudden spike of Preachers, Popes, and Internet Lawyers we're seeing on Eve-O are simply people hopping on a bandwagon constructed to defame a person who has given his real life name. The people in this band wagon have gone so far as to deliver literal threats of personal violence and discuss the various ways in which The Mittani should be physically murdered. Yet nobody is really calling them out on that because its all fine. Right?
-Liang
Definitely not fine, that's despicable and those people should certainly be called out. Where are these threats of personal violence though? I haven't seen any..
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Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
54
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:42:00 -
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Taihbea wrote:
You get what you pay for. Actions have consequences. HTFU. Only purpose is to ruin "your" game...
So **** you mittens little *****. What goes around comes around.
As an independent guy in game, one thing I've learned from this whole mess is that the goon hatters are no better than the goons.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:46:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote: Definitely not fine, that's despicable and those people should certainly be called out. Where are these threats of personal violence though? I haven't seen any..
I've seen them scattered through various threads. Read the forums more (if you can bear it).
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
347
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:56:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Bibosikus wrote: Definitely not fine, that's despicable and those people should certainly be called out. Where are these threats of personal violence though? I haven't seen any..
I've seen them scattered through various threads. Read the forums more (if you can bear it). -Liang
No seriously you back that Crap up right now Liang.
I will report them myself if you can show me these posts.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
316
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:58:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:The F Word wrote:You're getting hung up on the semantics when the spirit of it was pretty clear - the entire panel was about the delicious tears they were enjoying at the expense of others - schadenfreude. You're very right, the spirit was clear. Clear to the goons listening, who promptly did nothing. Clear to the players listening, who promptly did nothing. That's why he didn't get harassed over this, and why this was a complete non-issue until a few days later when someone smelled a metagaming opportunity. How the *F* can you guys act surprised?
Srsly - with the reputation that the players known as "goons" have cultivated over the years, how can you even act a *tiny* bit surprised?
(and just for full disclosure: I *believe* the apology from "Alex" is sincere, where I would never believe it from "The Mittani").
Anyone who has played eve over the years and paid *any* attention to the forums, outside media or (in some cases) even the recruitment channel has heard of GSF/Goons whoever and by whatever name... And it has usually been some ass-hattery or another... And now you act surprised when these same people smell blood in the water?
Please - that's asking us to believe you guys are really blind.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:58:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Bibosikus wrote: Definitely not fine, that's despicable and those people should certainly be called out. Where are these threats of personal violence though? I haven't seen any..
I've seen them scattered through various threads. Read the forums more (if you can bear it). -Liang
Post them... I want to see this and if true I may well report them too. |
stoicfaux
853
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:01:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Bibosikus wrote: Definitely not fine, that's despicable and those people should certainly be called out. Where are these threats of personal violence though? I haven't seen any..
I've seen them scattered through various threads. Read the forums more (if you can bear it). -Liang No seriously you back that Crap up right now Liang. I will report them myself if you can show me these posts. The mods have been busy deleting those kinds of posts.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
150
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:23:00 -
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The CSM as we know it is finished, thanks to the Mittani. I wouldn't be surprised if they abolish the CSM next year. It's a liability with no gain for CCP. If Eve dies, it's because the goons killed it. CCP is looking for investors, but no serious investor is going to give CCP money with headlines like "CCP-endorsed CSM mocks suicidal player". |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
347
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:24:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Bibosikus wrote: Definitely not fine, that's despicable and those people should certainly be called out. Where are these threats of personal violence though? I haven't seen any..
I've seen them scattered through various threads. Read the forums more (if you can bear it). -Liang No seriously you back that Crap up right now Liang. I will report them myself if you can show me these posts. The mods have been busy deleting those kinds of posts.
Ive been following all these threads closely and didnt see any like that talking about the mittani. Though i saw lots of goons saying what liang applies about anyone saying anything against the mittani or goons before they were pulled. Maybe liang just needs an eye exam. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:33:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:It is utterly, utterly despicable and morally reprehensible to the very core to be deliberately trying to leverage this situation to your own gain.
You worthless, faceless and completely bankrupt human beings.
Dozens upon dozens of alts have been made to post hate at Mittens. He has been subjected to a constant tirade of hate, lies, false information and grandiose gesturing of the most disgusting nature. All of this, incidentally, against the real person, Alex.
And why? Because he made a flippant, tasteless comment saying people should contact an *in game* character.
If any of you are actually looking for the definition of cyber-bullying, look at your own actions.
Attempting to leverage CCPs financial situation and damage the future of a company because someone is BETTER AT A ******* GAME THAN YOU shows how completely imbalanced some of you really are.
Lynch mob mentality.
Jesus ******* christ. Quoted for the mutha fuckin truth! -Liang
For once I agree with a Liang post.
WTF is this universe coming to?
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Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:36:00 -
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Taihbea wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Nope not lynch mob mentality
Lynch mob mentality is saying lets go harasses this guy until he kills himself for real. "OH i was just joking, even though hes dead I didnt really meant it. ""I was jut going along with eveyone else officer" would have been the next tag line and CCP closing its doors due to criminal investigations.
Hey, what is The Mittani's real name? What is The Wis's real name? Who is getting literally harassed? Thought so. -Liang And who put his name out there by his own will? Jezzz people are so ******* stupid.
Indeed. Your post speaks volumes to it. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:38:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:
You first off dont know a damn thing about a lunch mob.
And what you highlighted is clear proof of im inciting violence against another player.
And in the context of him being suicide.
In that context he meant to harass someone until they killed themselves in real life.
Completely unforgivable conduct for any CSM member let alone the chair.
The grammar in this post makes me want to *headdesk* until death. You are inciting violence upon another player.
WTB lawyer. |
Savion Chastis
Golden Sail Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:42:00 -
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If it's such an issue, why stoop to that level?
Instead, half of the moral bandwagon manages to get trolled by a bunch of **** posting goons into hypocrisy. Which in turn makes the lot of you look equally as ******** as they are. The problem is, that kind of dongdancing is expected from goons.
Don't evolve into something that is just as bad as the witch you want to burn... Any further whistle blowing and holier than thou attitude only makes **** worse. Trust in CCP to do what is right (which has almost been forced, unfortunately). If the results are not to satisfaction , go from there. Until then, stop letting yourselves look rabid.
Also, haha that dude said lunch mob.... xD |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:45:00 -
[94] - Quote
Manssell wrote:Taihbea wrote:
You get what you pay for. Actions have consequences. HTFU. Only purpose is to ruin "your" game...
So **** you mittens little *****. What goes around comes around.
As an independent guy in game, one thing I've learned from this whole mess is that the goon hatters are no better than the goons.
Hmmmm.
Very peculiar.
I have heard about these EVE players who go outside in the daylight and do not have their head up their a$$ but I have never actually encountered one or believed said rumors to be true.
Interesting indeed.
This changes EVERYTHING. |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:51:00 -
[95] - Quote
The sad thing is that instead of regaling in all the awesome stuff revealed at fanfest, we're forced to wade through sh it thread after sh it thread. (This isn't really one of them) |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
482
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:32:00 -
[96] - Quote
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:The sad thing is that instead of regaling in all the awesome stuff revealed at fanfest, we're forced to wade through sh it thread after sh it thread. (This isn't really one of them)
Pick one: * There was awsome stuff relealed at Fanfest? * We need something to do while hoping to have TEST back flooding Jita local. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
46
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:33:00 -
[97] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:It is utterly, utterly despicable and morally reprehensible to the very core to be deliberately trying to leverage this situation to your own gain.
You worthless, faceless and completely bankrupt human beings.
Dozens upon dozens of alts have been made to post hate at Mittens. He has been subjected to a constant tirade of hate, lies, false information and grandiose gesturing of the most disgusting nature. All of this, incidentally, against the real person, Alex.
And why? Because he made a flippant, tasteless comment saying people should contact an *in game* character.
If any of you are actually looking for the definition of cyber-bullying, look at your own actions.
Attempting to leverage CCPs financial situation and damage the future of a company because someone is BETTER AT A ******* GAME THAN YOU shows how completely imbalanced some of you really are.
Lynch mob mentality.
Jesus ******* christ. You get what you pay for. Actions have consequences. HTFU. Only purpose is to ruin "your" game... So **** you mittens little *****. What goes around comes around.
You're quite angry. Perhaps you should calm down. |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:10:00 -
[98] - Quote
Manssell wrote: As an independent guy in game, one thing I've learned from this whole mess is that the goon hatters are no better than the goons.
Q F T |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
296
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:19:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:As much as I disagreed with what occurred, once I'd stated my position on this I left it there for the situation to be dealt with. This is simply petty and vindictive, lashing out because you have an axe to grind and undermines any legitimate concerns that may have been put forward.
Alex could have been a lot more diplomatic in his approach on the matter that's caused this uproar, this is just childish and self serving. Yeah not like there isnt some Karmic justice playing out here for all the horrible things that Mittani and the goons have done playing out or anything.
That's fair enough, actions have consequences as we know. I don't have any axe to grind here so I'm just going to see how things turn out. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:35:00 -
[100] - Quote
Since when has Sony listened to their customers? Much less listening to some mongoloid sperging on twitter. |
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
489
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:43:00 -
[101] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:Since when has Sony listened to their customers? Much less listening to some mongoloid sperging on twitter.
They started doing that about the same time CCP did. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:45:00 -
[102] - Quote
I think we should talk to Sony, quite frankly, because I want to know if they like Roadhouse and if they'd like to hang out sometime and watch it. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:48:00 -
[103] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:I think we should talk to Sony, quite frankly, because I want to know if they like Roadhouse and if they'd like to hang out sometime and watch it.
They could make Roadhouse into a butan on their PS3 menu. Free for all to watch. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:52:00 -
[104] - Quote
Roadhouse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a-qreb8w0I |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
136
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:53:00 -
[105] - Quote
Sheesh, OP needs to grow a pair and post with his main.
In fact he needs to stop posting, this thread just makes him look like a massive tool.
Dont condone what Mittens did, in fact I think he's a tool.... but really, OP = MASSIVE....
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1116
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:44:00 -
[106] - Quote
Not related to EVE General Discussion.
Thread locked. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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