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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.17 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 17/09/2008 20:35:36 WHAT are you idiots thinking? New missions involving killing families, best friends etc? Missions telling you to fit a MWD and go do an airshow in a deadspace area (where mwd don't work, duh?).
What one of you idiots thought these up? and why haven't you been fired yet? Which one of you QA people let this crap through? And why haven't YOU been fired for it?
example...
Mission name: A New Venture - Rough Market (5 part mission)
Agent wants to put up a PoS you do a courier part (to pick up books) here and then he asks you to steal a PoS from a family of farmers. Blow them up to get 8 units of tools (which never drop even though mission completes), then you have to go kill mercs harrassing the station and the station vanishes, agent says "mercs blew up station" (station simply vanishes it doesn't blow up), so then he has you go kill a mom and her son while on a pleasure cruise ship... i.e. blow up the entire ship and everyone in it.
You people are idiots for even letting a mission type like that through Q&A. Just what are you even thinking? Are you high? Psychotic? or just plain stupid?
Your new missions that I have seen so far are just plain idiotic, psychotic, morally bankrupt and something I would expect to see coming from a game that caters to 8 yr old serial killers.
If this is the direction your going to take the game, tell me now so I can delete my characters, cancel my accounts ( I have 4, drop in the bucket to you but 60 bucks a month less) and go fishing.
Sincerely Samuel Selby
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Quayzen Oldumrak
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Posted - 2008.09.17 20:38:00 -
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Considering how many pvpers behave towards others... yes, I think your correct. CCP always has catered to those 8 year old 'future serial killers'. After all, isn't it CCP that insists eve is a pvp game? Accept it and work with what we are given, or move on.
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Ghost hunter
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.09.17 21:04:00 -
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Sorry this isn't the fairy world where everything is crisp green and people flock through fields of eternal happiness?
Every ship you destroy in EVE is manned by people with the exception of capsuleer crewed Frigates. Blow up a battleship? Anywhere from 4000 to 7000 people just went down. Some may survive in escape pods, I'm not sure if that's valid though. ______
The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö; |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.17 21:05:00 -
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Awesome. Sounds like I might have to give missions another try, if they're finally introducing some interesting ones.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.17 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost hunter Sorry this isn't the fairy world where everything is crisp green and people flock through fields of eternal happiness?
Every ship you destroy in EVE is manned by people with the exception of capsuleer crewed Frigates. Blow up a battleship? Anywhere from 4000 to 7000 people just went down. Some may survive in escape pods, I'm not sure if that's valid though.
I have ran plenty of missions that didn't bother me in the slightest, but the way these new missions are worded, and explained are seriously psychotic and lacking in any morals at all. I don't expect green grass and birds singing (i'd probably shoot the birds because they were disturbing my quiet), but these new missions are so seriously morally bankrupt that they stand out even to me as poor quality psychotic crap that should never have made it through QA.
Sam In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.17 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Awesome. Sounds like I might have to give missions another try, if they're finally introducing some interesting ones.
Save yourself the time, trust me, the missions themselves suck, the rewards suck, the detail in some are ok (great graphics) but content is so off anyone with half a brain cell that still held some moral reason, would say they suck.
CCP really screwed the pooch with these missions that I have seen so far.
I'm no whiney assed carebear, I have no problem tearing through missions, but these new ones.. wow they are REALLY ****ed up.
Sam In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Ghost hunter
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.09.17 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 17/09/2008 21:16:30
Originally by: Ghost hunter Sorry this isn't the fairy world where everything is crisp green and people flock through fields of eternal happiness?
Every ship you destroy in EVE is manned by people with the exception of capsuleer crewed Frigates. Blow up a battleship? Anywhere from 4000 to 7000 people just went down. Some may survive in escape pods, I'm not sure if that's valid though.
I have ran plenty of missions and it didn't bother me in the slightest, but the way these new missions are worded, and explained are seriously psychotic and lacking in any morals at all. I don't expect green grass and birds singing (i'd probably shoot the birds because they were disturbing my quiet), but these new missions are so seriously morally bankrupt that they stand out even to me as poor quality psychotic crap that should never have made it through QA.
Sam
I can agree the missions may sound psychopathic, but considering the nature of the EVE universe this stuff is pretty timid. Unless they're going "RAW RAW EAT THEIR BABIES"* in the mission description, which I haven't read yet.
Besides, if you don't like the missions roleplay you can always decline it and get another.
*Blood Raiders.
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The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö; |
Myra2007
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.17 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Myra2007 on 17/09/2008 22:26:19 You do realize all those innocent people you kill aren't real? If you do then how is this even a question of morality? Its a question of whether you prefered to play cops or robbers when playing "cops and robbers" as a child.
Hopefully you can now see how flawed your whole position is. You really have to understand that this is a game. Once you do this you will see its absolutely innocent just like those 8-year olds kids playing on the street.
As for mwds in missions: not all missions are in deadspace iirc and thus you can use mwd in some of them. Not sure about the specific missions you are talking about though.
edit: psychotic is essentially a medical term and probably you lack any and all competence to make such judgements. Especially if your analysis is based on the fiction and backstory of a ruthless universe of pod pilots... Oh yeah and 0/10 because you *cannot* be real.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.17 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Myra2007 Edited by: Myra2007 on 17/09/2008 22:26:19 You do realize all those innocent people you kill aren't real? If you do then how is this even a question of morality? Its a question of whether you prefered to play cops or robbers when playing "cops and robbers" as a child.
Hopefully you can now see how flawed your whole position is. You really have to understand that this is a game. Once you do this you will see its absolutely innocent just like those 8-year olds kids playing on the street.
As for mwds in missions: not all missions are in deadspace iirc and thus you can use mwd in some of them. Not sure about the specific missions you are talking about though.
edit: psychotic is essentially a medical term and probably you lack any and all competence to make such judgements. Especially if your analysis is based on the fiction and backstory of a ruthless universe of pod pilots... Oh yeah and 0/10 because you *cannot* be real.
If you can't see the moral issues involved, even in a game, then I feel sorry for you. But reality and game universe aside. I have ran a LOT of missions 8+ standing for Minmatar Mining, and havent had any issues with any of them. Until this latest set started appearing. I looked at the descriptions and they made even me go wtf???!!!Who wrote this shit?
And for your information, I gave my real name. Yes I am "REAL". I feel strongly enough about how screwed up these new missions are to put my real name in the thread.
Sam In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Feilamya
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.17 22:46:00 -
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Damn, I hope the German censors don't find out about these new missions ...
and if EVE gets banned over here because of missions that reward you to kill e-innocents, it would be the most ridiculous thing ever to happen, because what really makes EVE dangerous is the fact that you are normally being punished for killing (yes, I'm talking about sec loss, sentry aggression, etc.)
Being punished for attacking and killing others forces players to consider whether the reward is worth the punishment and risk. It teaches you skills that you also need as a criminal in real life (or as a businessman in real life, but I always use terms such as "criminal" or "innocent" losely...)
What I'm saying is: Open your eyes! If you see a reason to keep your kids away from EVE now and you haven't seen one before, you probably haven't seen half of the game yet.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.17 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost hunter
I can agree the missions may sound psychopathic, but considering the nature of the EVE universe this stuff is pretty timid. Unless they're going "RAW RAW EAT THEIR BABIES"* in the mission description, which I haven't read yet.
Besides, if you don't like the missions roleplay you can always decline it and get another.
*Blood Raiders.
The one mission that said to fit a MWD was in a dead space area where they didn't work (I fit both a mwd and AB just to be safe, mwd got the standard interference message).
As for the missions role play, a few others had weird sounding stuff as well but I ran them and they were basic. These the rp stuff is WAY overboard and just plain screwed up. Not to mention the missionsthemselves are unfinished, completing before objectives are obtained (yet still turn-inable). I turned one down only to have the exact same mission offered again by the agent. kinda screwed up for standings thanks to that.
Sam In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.17 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya Damn, I hope the German censors don't find out about these new missions ...
and if EVE gets banned over here because of missions that reward you to kill e-innocents, it would be the most ridiculous thing ever to happen, because what really makes EVE dangerous is the fact that you are normally being punished for killing (yes, I'm talking about sec loss, sentry aggression, etc.)
Being punished for attacking and killing others forces players to consider whether the reward is worth the punishment and risk. It teaches you skills that you also need as a criminal in real life (or as a businessman in real life, but I always use terms such as "criminal" or "innocent" losely...)
What I'm saying is: Open your eyes! If you see a reason to keep your kids away from EVE now and you haven't seen one before, you probably haven't seen half of the game yet.
No kids here thank god. But even if I did have kids, I would not stop them from playing eve over these missions, but I do feel strongly enough about their content that I honestly do think CCP should seriously look them over again.
Sam In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.17 23:15:00 -
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Out of curiosity, what corporation/faction gave you this mission?
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.17 23:40:00 -
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/signed
gotta agree with op here. I run mining missions for minmatar mining corp (while doing assignments and stuff in rl) and am happy with most of their missions rp wise. eg. going and getting med supplies (gas harvesting), materials for minmatar war supplies, dealing with rouge drone infestations, helping an artist ice sculpture and then screwing over minmatar colonists by providing them with dodgy ice..... umm yeah =s that last one is like wtf? I thought I was supposed to be helping the minmatar not screwing over some innocent people..... and pls don't say turn em down I already have stupid high % of combat to turn down and lots of unwanted courier missions (you would think mining agents give more than 60% mining missions =s).
However I also understand that some people like to role play the bad guys and these missions are the good kind to them. That is why I think the best solution would be to implement a system which allows us to choose which missions we do. Best way I can think of to do this would have a pool of missions that everyone has access to where new missions appear every time one is accepted. Missions will slowly build up a bonus the longer they are left in there, say 1% bonus to mission rewards per day to max of 14% after which they are removed from the pool.
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Kethry Avenger
Krell-Korp
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Posted - 2008.09.18 03:46:00 -
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There is higher morale reasoning in EVE? Aren't there a lot of missions asking you to kill specific individuals? Actually adding darker story lines and assassinations to missions might get me back into them.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.09.18 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 18/09/2008 03:54:49 wait are we talking about blood raider missions?
blood raiders kill peoples parents and steal thier children and force them to drink the blood of thier parents.
don't do missions for them then, duh.
also please add some detail to what the missions were asking please.
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Priory
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Posted - 2008.09.18 05:54:00 -
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First...4 accounts? Dude, get a life.
Second, who cares? It's internet spaceships.
Third, your stuff can I has it?
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Amateratsu
Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:00:00 -
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I have to agree with the op... Eve is played by people of all ages, what kind of morals are we teaching the younger players with such content?
The fact that its not real or just a game is irelevant, its the principle that counts.
Being sent out to kill pirates and outlaws is 1 thing, being sent out to specificly kill women and children is quite another...
Even in an internet game thats based on a violent and anarchic universe it should still retain some degree of morality..
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Lijhal
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:17:00 -
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need ... to ... eat .. more ... babies
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:24:00 -
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Why such rancour over the morality of a fictional environment? Before we start on the issue of missions, the simple act of destroying a ship is to commit murder on hundreds, maybe thousands of individuals, and every one has a family, have children, and everyone is someone's child.
Now it is expressed that the game is morally bankrupt because of a mission where you are asked to kill a mother and child? Someone who has slaughtered thousands upon thousands of people suddenly objects to adding two more to that list?
Let's be realistic here. These are hypothetical scenarios in a fictional universe, and in the context of that universe, these new missions fit with the harsh nature of the game. Some people like to role-play a bastard, and they shouldn't be prevented from doing so because of real-life moral issues. The second you start stating that 'you can't do that' in fiction, it becomes censorship.
If you object to it that strongly, why not leave the game? However, I suggest that you channel such outrage towards real-life moral issues, which are far more deserving of interest and comment. Plenty of extremely dubious ethics exist in reality, and are perpetuated by the great and good as well as the nefarious and despotic. Just take the profiteering of the pharmaceutical industry as an example. Every additional penny they place on the cost of a drug means that more people will die for the want of it, and they make more than an acceptable profit from each of their patented drugs.
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather anyone with half a brain cell that still held some moral reason, would say they suck.
EVE, Moral reason... DOES NOT COMPUTE! _
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.18 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman Why such rancour over the morality of a fictional environment? Before we start on the issue of missions, the simple act of destroying a ship is to commit murder on hundreds, maybe thousands of individuals, and every one has a family, have children, and everyone is someone's child.
Now it is expressed that the game is morally bankrupt because of a mission where you are asked to kill a mother and child? Someone who has slaughtered thousands upon thousands of people suddenly objects to adding two more to that list?
Let's be realistic here. These are hypothetical scenarios in a fictional universe, and in the context of that universe, these new missions fit with the harsh nature of the game. Some people like to role-play a bastard, and they shouldn't be prevented from doing so because of real-life moral issues. The second you start stating that 'you can't do that' in fiction, it becomes censorship.
If you object to it that strongly, why not leave the game? However, I suggest that you channel such outrage towards real-life moral issues, which are far more deserving of interest and comment. Plenty of extremely dubious ethics exist in reality, and are perpetuated by the great and good as well as the nefarious and despotic. Just take the profiteering of the pharmaceutical industry as an example. Every additional penny they place on the cost of a drug means that more people will die for the want of it, and they make more than an acceptable profit from each of their patented drugs.
To me the difference is that an NPC crew of a npc warship, is one thing but to "kill" a mother and child on a cruise ship out of a psychotic revenge storyline (revenge because supposedly in the mission the family the agent was stealing from, blew up their station rather than let him steal it from them, so he orders the mother and child executed as revenge) is just a tad bit over the line.
I don't normally take a moral line with much of anything, hell I was addicted to ****** for 12 years and to be honest, was not a very "good" person during that time, so normally I don't feel I have any place to take any kind of moral high ground, but honestly, these missions seem to be a bit over the top even for a moral vaccuum like myself.
As for real life considerations, I agree with you, that those issues are truly of greater importance than issues within a game, and I do what I can there, where I can. But. And I stress this strongly, Some lines just should not be crossed, I know that in "real" life they often are and the results are tragic and terrible so why mirror such horrors in a game?
The Minmatar Mining Corporation missions went from your standard fare to something terribly dark and sinstre with the last patch. Most are your normal blah type missions but the few that are REALLY out there, stand out as totally abhorant. Amoral. Psychotic, and in at least two I have seen, Schitzo.
Before any of you arm chair psyches start saying I am not qualified to make such judgements, your right, I'm not a psyche, and i'm making these statements from my own opinion on the subject. I don't have much in the line of morals myself, wouldn't mind seeing the whole world blow itself to hell, but seriously, if I think these are a bit over the top, that is saying a LOT.
I know that not everyone will agree with me, as is their right, I know you will say these are just "game" missions and have no bearing on the real world and I will say your wrong. They do. Sadly they are a reflection of the crap going on in the real world.
Anyway. If ya'll wanna run those missions feel free, but to me, they are just way to far over the top for my liking. I'd rather kill npc warships than npc mothers and children. Just way to weird for me.
Sam In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.18 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale First...4 accounts? Dude, get a life.
Second, who cares? It's internet spaceships.
Third, your stuff can I has it?
Yes 4 accounts. my g/f and I both play, two accounts each. Got a life, I live in Hawaii. lol.
I care, yeah it's internet spaceships but wow some of these missions make even me cringe.
No, my stuff, you can not has, but if I ever do decide to quite EVE, I'll give you the first crack at buying it at a nicely reduced rate.
Sam In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.09.18 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 17/09/2008 20:35:36 WHAT are you idiots thinking?
What one of you idiots thought these up? and why haven't you been fired yet? Which one of you QA people let this crap through? And why haven't YOU been fired for it?
You people are idiots for even letting a mission type like that through Q&A. Just what are you even thinking? Are you high? Psychotic? or just plain stupid?
Your new missions that I have seen so far are just plain idiotic, psychotic, morally bankrupt and something I would expect to see coming from a game that caters to 8 yr old serial killers.
I see that you are quite outraged - but are you really sure that the insults will help to reach your goal..?
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.09.18 11:06:00 -
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Several points: Psychotic? Clearly you do not understand the meaning of the word you have repeatedly used. It does not mean "dangerous" or "agressive" or "murderous", and neither does the term 'psychopath'. It is a medical term with a distinct meaning, you contribute to a lot of bad stereotypes of mental ill health when you misuse it. Your ignorance is dangerous.
morally bankrupt? Its a game, and thus your actions are implicitly role played. If you are so simplistic that you cant grasp the concept that your agent might be a bastard and send you to do some dirty work, why are you playing?
A mission where you have to kill a family makes plenty of sense: for whatsoever reason, the agent wants them dead. Its a corrupt, dark, harsh, cold universe in New Eden: if it helps their business then the ***** and the kid are going down. If you want to RP a knight in shining armor, perhaps you should turn down any mission that does not reflect that, or refuse to finish it?
Dont whine that you will lose standings: thats the point. You are going to RP that you refuse to do that, and the agent will say "if you cant do my bidding when it gets tough, we dont like you as much". Take it like a man.
Lastly, of all the carebear mission runner whines to threaten to quit the game, this one is unique in that its not whining about other players, but about some fictional backstory. Frankly, I'd tell you to stop missioning and start playing the actual game, but instead I'm too impressed that anyone reads the mission stories. Keep it up.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.18 11:14:00 -
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Hillarious overreaction to video game "ethics"? Yep. Difficulty telling the difference between fantasy and reality? Yep. Threats to quit the game over it? Nope.
This thread is extremely disappointing. Please whine more and make some threats, I need more entertainment.
Like it or not, this is EVE. This is the universe where:
Every fleet battle or mission involves more casualties than some entire real-world wars. Your average mission runner has probably killed more people than every single real-world war since the beginning of human history.
People will gladly suicide a dozen battleships to kill a highsec hauler, killing a hundred thousand nameless crew members, for a little bit of extra profit.
Those same highsec police who "protected" the hauler will instantly execute your entire non-pod crew if you accidentally press the wrong button and scratch the shields of a target without police permission.
Pirates will blow up your ship (again, killing all of the crew, except you, the lucky pod pilot), take all of your stuff, and then kill your escape pod just for the fun of it.
Suicide is a common form of transportation, if your jump clone timer hasn't expired fast enough.
Etc.
Adding new "be a really evil person" missions is just more of the same thing, and honestly, long overdue. It's about time they finally made some missions that are more interesting than "OMG the Guristas have yet another fleet in this system, go kill it and I'll give you 10 ISK".
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.09.18 11:42:00 -
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Stormwind, do you despise violent movies or books? I don't recall any demonstrations to the Phsyco(sp?) book describing very detailed how a man kills other people. The one passage I've heard of, were a couple of prostitutes and made my stomach turn. What about the series Dexter, where goes around killing bad guys.
Point is, if it's a book, movie or game, it's all fiction and can have any content. You could be a murderous, raping, pillaging, insane dictator in a game. It has no bearing on who you are in real life.
If, on the other hand, it has an impact on your life, you should seek professional help to learn what is real and what is fiction.
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Gordon Red
SteelVipers Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.09.18 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gordon Red on 18/09/2008 11:56:23
@OP If you are working for a pirate faction or criminal organisation, I would expect this kind of missions!
Edit: You should watch your speech and netiquette in your posting. You are interacting with REAL persons here and not psychotic pixel agents.
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Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:38:00 -
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hurry up and quit so i dont have to look at your posts
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.09.18 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather ...hell I was addicted to ****** for 12 years...
On a sidenote - gratz on getting clean! MMO's surely are the 'healthier' addiction
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