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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.09.18 16:17:00 -
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I find it disturbing that the OP is disturbed by these disturbing missions.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.18 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes If, on the other hand, it has an impact on your life, you should seek professional help to learn what is real and what is fiction.
I would have to disagree with this statement for quite a few reasons, and I'll list some of them here.
1) Killing people in eve makes me happy IRL
2) Missioning makes me go to sleep IRL
Ok, other than those two, lets get a bit more serious on the subject:
1) Managing a 1,000 person corporation in (any MMORPG):
- This is noteworthy in the fact that you can list it in your resume as management skills. Managing people in a virtual enviroment is waaaay more difficult than in a real enviroment. Throw in the fact its a game, and people have more responsibilities than just the game, then yea....
2) Managing orders, stocks, production runs, etc.. (Industry):
- This shows that you are quite adept at managing and maintaining a complex system of accounting and price analysis (of course, this all depends on how much you do with industrial activities. Not just playing the 0.01 isk game in Jita.)
3) Universities and colleges are even now using MMORPG's as educational tools for their students. You mean playing EvE could get me a Bachelor's degree?!?!?
Just some examples of how playing an MMORPG can, and does, affect one's real life
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Timaios
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Timaios on 18/09/2008 17:36:04 Edited by: Timaios on 18/09/2008 17:35:24
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
Anyway. If ya'll wanna run those missions feel free, but to me, they are just way to far over the top for my liking. I'd rather kill npc warships than npc mothers and children. Just way to weird for me.
Sam
That's probably the proper course of action if that's how you feel.
And in a sense, I really like the idea behind the mission. See, in EVE, when interacting with other players, your reputation is everything. It either allows you to interact with certain corps/alliances/individuals or turns them away from you, depending how you have acted in the past. Every player pays (literally, in ISK) for the his actions which can prevent him from doing something else.
I like that now in missions, your style of gaming can be challenged. You either just go with the standard "lolpixels, F1-F6, boom" -mindset or think if you want to do the mission you are given. If you don't do it, you pay (by not getting the bounties, agent standings dropping, storyline mission is delayed and so on). Moral choices have consequences. It's pretty sweet that someone made an PVE mission that could elicit a similar moral issue that players are facing when they ponder whether to pirate a ship in lowsec, scam a gullible fool or steal from a corp.
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Odhinn Vinlandii
Shadows of the Dead Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.18 20:03:00 -
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Get over it. Let the storyline be.
Otherwise you'll just have to drop out of life because here is what you are a part of in IRL;
America dropped two nuclear bombs on civilian targets. Fire bombed Dresden during a children's Xmas parade. Dropped cluster bombs on kids in school in Sarajevo. Millions of kids starved to death in Iraq since the 80s from US trade sanctions. Bush hired warlords in Afghanistan to ****, castrate men and cut the breasts off women. Slavery is still legal in Israel which is backed by the US. ...should I go on?
Yeehaw.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2008.09.18 20:11:00 -
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Most people in thsi thread are thinking too shallowly.
Just because eve is supposed to be a cold hard world doesn't mean there's a licence to be gratuitously or uselessly violent.
Cold hard worlds are about showing good people forced to make difficult decisions with painful consequences, because they have to be done.
"Kill a family of farmers because we can" is just mindless violence, and its an inexcusable lack of depth.
This point wil go right over the heads of 90% of people who read my post, but I hope the people in charge of mission content understand that they need to demand more of their storytelling if this is the best they can do.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.18 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Timaios It's pretty sweet that someone made an PVE mission that could elicit a similar moral issue that players are facing when they ponder whether to pirate a ship in lowsec, scam a gullible fool or steal from a corp.
None of those actions would bother me in the least. The missions content bothers me more than anything because it's just SO far from the standard fare.
As to the individual that made the comments about my not knowing the meaning of the word Psychotic. Your absolutly wrong. I do, and trust me when I say this, the agent comes across very much as psychotic.
1.a mental disorder characterized by symptoms, such as delusions or hallucinations, that indicate impaired contact with reality. 2.any severe form of mental disorder, as schizophrenia or paranoia.
Specifically definition #2
So when I stated the agent was Psychotic (and the creators of the mission are as well) I meant what I stated. I just LOVE how people try to second guess a persons intelligence and grasp on reality when they state something disagrees with them about a game.
First. My grasp on Reality is very firm. I seperate game and reality just fine. My OPINION is that some things just should NOT be in a video game. Period.
Second, I also stated that I myself would not stop anyone (not even a child/teen etc) from playing eve over the content, but for MYSELF if this is the path the developers intend to take eve they should simply tell me now so I can delete my characters and cancel my accounts, otherwise I will continue to play eve as normal.
Third, i'm far from simplistic.
You said....
"A mission where you have to kill a family makes plenty of sense: for whatsoever reason, the agent wants them dead. Its a corrupt, dark, harsh, cold universe in New Eden: if it helps their business then the ***** and the kid are going down. If you want to RP a knight in shining armor, perhaps you should turn down any mission that does not reflect that, or refuse to finish it?"
It doesn't help his business. The storyline pretty much shows the agent as a grasping, backstabbing, amoral, low life sob that would sell his mother to the Amarr for 2 isk. Sadly, you can't get away from this type of mission because most if not all agents will have it in their repitoir of available missions.
I do agree that I can and will choose to refuse the mission and standings be damned. Some things in my mind just are not acceptable behaviors, even in a game. This mission type is one of them.
Nuff said, I'm gonna go to the beach and surf. TTYL all.
Sam
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Myra2007
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.18 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
Before any of you arm chair psyches start saying I am not qualified to make such judgements, your right, I'm not a psyche,
So, you misuse a medical term (as an insult) which makes us the armchair psyches? Irony and hipocrisy - look those words up dude.
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
and i'm making these statements from my own opinion on the subject.
Which means exactly nothing.
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
I don't have much in the line of morals myself, wouldn't mind seeing the whole world blow itself to hell, but seriously, if I think these are a bit over the top, that is saying a LOT.
So, you are saying that you wouldn't mind seeing all of us die in real life? But those imaginary missions in this imaginary spaceship-world *those* are clearly over the top?
Dude, you just keep digging deeper and deeper. I won't really comment on your alleged drug addiction for the remote chance of you not being a troll on steroids.
Suffice to say i really hope you live on the other side of the world. People who cannot distinguish between whats real and whats fantasy scare me to death.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.18 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 18/09/2008 20:30:29
Originally by: Myra2007 Edited by: Myra2007 on 18/09/2008 20:18:05
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
Before any of you arm chair psyches start saying I am not qualified to make such judgements, your right, I'm not a psyche,
So, you misuse a medical term (as an insult) which makes us the armchair psyches? Irony and hypocrisy - look those words up dude.
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
and i'm making these statements from my own opinion on the subject.
Which means exactly nothing.
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather
I don't have much in the line of morals myself, wouldn't mind seeing the whole world blow itself to hell, but seriously, if I think these are a bit over the top, that is saying a LOT.
So, you are saying that you wouldn't mind seeing all of us die in real life? But those imaginary missions in this imaginary spaceship-world *those* are clearly over the top?
Dude, you just keep digging deeper and deeper. I won't really comment on your alleged drug addiction for the remote chance of you not being a troll on steroids.
Suffice to say i really hope you live on the other side of the world. People who cannot distinguish between whats real and whats fantasy scare me to death.
and again we have someone attempting to question my grasp on reality. I know what is real and what isn't. my OPINION is that some things just should not be done. some lines just should not be crossed. if that somehow makes my grasp on reality weak or unstable to you then so be it. Your opinions are as valuable as mine in the grand scheme of things, which is exactly squat.
Also, my statement about seeing the planet blown to hell wouldn't bother me, is exactly what I meant. I despise what I see people doing to one another and this planet. I have gotten to the point where I truly and honestly think mankind needs to either kill itself off and let earth start over, or get a frickin clue and grow up.
And yes, 12 years of ****** addiction. No troll there. I have seen the bottom side of society and don't care to see it again. The most painful, difficult time of my life was those 12 years. It's not an experience I would ever wish even on the most vile members of society.
Sam In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Brigsby5987
Caldari 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii Get over it. Let the storyline be.
Otherwise you'll just have to drop out of life because here is what you are a part of in IRL;
America dropped two nuclear bombs on civilian targets. Fire bombed Dresden during a children's Xmas parade. Dropped cluster bombs on kids in school in Sarajevo. Millions of kids starved to death in Iraq since the 80s from US trade sanctions. Bush hired warlords in Afghanistan to ****, castrate men and cut the breasts off women. Slavery is still legal in Israel which is backed by the US. ...should I go on?
Yeehaw.
Just remember that some of us are American by birth, not choice. I am personally agreeing with you 100%, and its also worth noting I am leaving the country about as quick as I can get a visa and permanent residence. (1-3 years) I guess having a general F-off attitude only gets you in trouble... But really there should be something indicating that this is part of my sig. __________________________________________ When Will |
Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.18 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather ...hell I was addicted to ****** for 12 years...
On a sidenote - gratz on getting clean! MMO's surely are the 'healthier' addiction
Thanks. In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.18 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais I find it disturbing that the OP is disturbed by these disturbing missions.
C.
sam In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 21:20:00 -
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I for one welcome the day my Agent tells me that I must kill an innocent family by blowing up their defenseless freighter because they happen to have something we need and the idea of *talking to them* takes too long to see through.
I want to see EvE-Online become the darkest MMO in the history of MMO's ... I want more violence, more freedom, and a darker atmosphere. I want Eve to return to those *all or nothing days ... fight or die. Where every system is null-sec or low-sec. Where the Gallente women are constantly being sold to the Minmatar as sex slaves and the Caldari women are sold to the Blood Raiders for blood rituals.
Basically imagine the darkest storyline and atmosphere you possibly can, multiply that by a factor of ten, and you'll get a rough idea of what I'm talking about. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO) |
Strill
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Posted - 2008.09.18 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI I for one welcome the day my Agent tells me that I must kill an innocent family by blowing up their defenseless freighter because they happen to have something we need and the idea of *talking to them* takes too long to see through.
I want to see EvE-Online become the darkest MMO in the history of MMO's ... I want more violence, more freedom, and a darker atmosphere. I want Eve to return to those *all or nothing days ... fight or die. Where every system is null-sec or low-sec. Where the Gallente women are constantly being sold to the Minmatar as sex slaves and the Caldari women are sold to the Blood Raiders for blood rituals.
Basically imagine the darkest storyline and atmosphere you possibly can, multiply that by a factor of ten, and you'll get a rough idea of what I'm talking about.
That would just be making EVE into a clone of Warhammer 40k. They're already developing an MMO version of it. Go play that.
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.19 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI I for one welcome the day my Agent tells me that I must kill an innocent family by blowing up their defenseless freighter because they happen to have something we need and the idea of *talking to them* takes too long to see through.
I want to see EvE-Online become the darkest MMO in the history of MMO's ... I want more violence, more freedom, and a darker atmosphere. I want Eve to return to those *all or nothing days ... fight or die. Where every system is null-sec or low-sec. Where the Gallente women are constantly being sold to the Minmatar as sex slaves and the Caldari women are sold to the Blood Raiders for blood rituals.
Basically imagine the darkest storyline and atmosphere you possibly can, multiply that by a factor of ten, and you'll get a rough idea of what I'm talking about.
Then I guess ccp is making some missions that will make you happy =)
just wish they had a way for those who want to do 'good' missions and those who want to do 'bad' missions to choose between without screwing over their rewards/standing
CCP PLEASE LOOK AT MINING AGENTS MISSION %..... I want better than 60% mining missions from a mining agent =(
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.09.19 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3
Originally by: Solomon XI I for one welcome the day my Agent tells me that I must kill an innocent family by blowing up their defenseless freighter because they happen to have something we need and the idea of *talking to them* takes too long to see through.
I want to see EvE-Online become the darkest MMO in the history of MMO's ... I want more violence, more freedom, and a darker atmosphere. I want Eve to return to those *all or nothing days ... fight or die. Where every system is null-sec or low-sec. Where the Gallente women are constantly being sold to the Minmatar as sex slaves and the Caldari women are sold to the Blood Raiders for blood rituals.
Basically imagine the darkest storyline and atmosphere you possibly can, multiply that by a factor of ten, and you'll get a rough idea of what I'm talking about.
Then I guess ccp is making some missions that will make you happy =)
just wish they had a way for those who want to do 'good' missions and those who want to do 'bad' missions to choose between without screwing over their rewards/standing
Ya. The kill innocent people missions should be reserved for pirate factions.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.19 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Strill Ya. The kill innocent people missions should be reserved for pirate factions.
Or better idea: they shouldn't.
Being good should actually mean something. It's meaningless if it's just a matter of clicking a little "don't give me evil missions" checkbox. Taking a stand and defying your agent's request to do something evil, even at the cost of income/standings/etc, DOES mean something. In that scenario, there's a real choice involved, and your principles are put to the test. Those that are truly determined to BE good will make the choice, and maybe do something worthy of a bit of respect.
And as for the absurd idea that your agent shouldn't offer evil missions? Why not? As I showed with my earlier examples, life is cheap in EVE. Murder, suicide, and billion-casualty wars don't even make the front page news in this game. And just who exactly are you running missions for?
The religious nutcases who will kill and enslave entire races if it's the "will of god"?
The terrorists who aren't too concerned about collateral damage, as long as they kill some of their former enslavers in the process?
The ultra-capitalists who would sell their own mothers to pirate slavers for an extra ISK on the day's profit?
The token "good guys" who are the perfect example of the worst of American hypocrisy, all talk about "democracy" and "freedom", until you try to use that freedom and democracy to do something they don't approve of... and then they nuke your major cities off the map and start a bloody years-long war to force you back under their rule?
Or maybe you could take the side of the police? Protectors of the weak and defenders of the innocent? More like trigger-happy sociopaths who will instantly execute thousands of your crew for scratching the paint on an unapproved target, but then stand aside and watch as your murderer's obvious friend runs off with your loot.
Just who does this idealistic agent actually work for?
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.09.19 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Strill on 19/09/2008 08:26:39
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Just who does this idealistic agent actually work for?
The Sisters of EVE
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.09.19 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Being good should actually mean something.
Right. Unfortunately, currently you can't be "good" or "bad" in PVE. You can do missions. Or you don't do them. There is nothin that values your actions, unless you introduce your own RP and perhaps count faction standing.
I've had two very weird missions(both L1) and though I thought twice about doing them, I did and will redo them any time even though I am rather appalled by what I have to do. (1: blowing up an entire station because my agent feels insulted, 2: killing someone because my agent clearly is missing his medication - even indicating as much afterwards)
The simple reason I do them even though I don't like them is not because "this is a game" but because I KNOW there are no repercussions AT ALL.
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Also, these missions are definitely crazy. I understand the need for more "flavor", but they don't fit in, IMO. Why should a law-abiding(?) agent in high-sec suddenly blow up stations without anyone ever getting suspicious? You'd think someone might notice if a station of Center for Advanced Studies suddenly vanishes in an explosion? -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner. |
Tac Ginaz
The Righteous Few
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Posted - 2008.09.24 03:00:00 -
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you actually read the mission stuff?
i just click, see the part that gives me waypoints and victory conditions and I go do it and go back.
When a game is based on repetitive, pointless mission system players give a rat's infested anus about the paragraphs of 'story' behind the mission.
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.24 10:54:00 -
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you think you got problems...
my agent made me fetch over 60 strippers for his parties in 1 day...
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my other agent has an obsessions with DOLLS....
I miss the old drug missions though....
those were fun to read XD
and yeah... lets not kid ourselves... human beings are @#!!@#! creatures...
only 3 types of good people I know: -Those who blindly believe in the giant floating blob in the sky -Those who experienced very painful (emotionally) events and "survived" and those who are just born suckers (Too nice.. they get taken advantage of..)
the rest are self-fish (in this case, the agent in question .. yeah, is self-fish... ) spiteful and nasty (the agent told you to murder them out of cold blood for cold hard cash right?..)
I say.. is a perfect portrayal of human societies that are not that transparent....
hell, is like how rich people can get away with things in North Ameirca XD
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Batolemaeus Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:49:00 -
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I like how you sneaked in that atropos quote, mika.
I hereby support the new missions with seriously mean storylines. Eve just turned more "noir".
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2008.09.24 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Amateratsu
I have to agree with the op... Eve is played by people of all ages, what kind of morals are we teaching the younger players with such content?
The fact that its not real or just a game is irelevant, its the principle that counts.
Being sent out to kill pirates and outlaws is 1 thing, being sent out to specificly kill women and children is quite another...
Even in an internet game thats based on a violent and anarchic universe it should still retain some degree of morality..
Even from the perspective of teaching morality, I am not sure I agree with you here. Not allowing people to make immoral choices teaches them nothing.
I am always confused as to why people get so offended when a game provides the OPTION for choosing differently. You don't like these missions? Fine, you have made your choice... but ranting that the game should not give people the choice one way or the other is just mind boggling. EvE is a game about choice.. it doesn't spoon feed you the path you have to follow, and it should not spoon feed you ethics either.
(for the record, I work in serious games where teaching right and wrong is one of the primary goals of the simulation, and yes, we give the players the option to choose wrong.)
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Mioelnir
Minmatar Meltd0wn iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.25 05:21:00 -
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You certainly should not work on the pve-pirate side of eve.
I routinely smuggle biological weapons as level 4 courier missions. In storyline missions, I raided colonies. Blackmailed empire factions. Executed prisoners. In cosmos missions, I smuggled dolls loaded with explosives and delivered poisoned softdrinks to celebrities.
Where other games have paths, eve has choices. Where other games have black/white, eve has grey. This is what makes Eve Eve.
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Vengal Seyhan
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.25 14:59:00 -
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If you think that is dark, come run some missions for one of the pirate factions. That's pretty standard fare.
Nothing better than couriering hapless refugees to their 'salvation' at a slave camp... Or slaughtering Concord ships on the Blockade. Made me laugh so hard the first few times I was running those missions, and after two years in game that's very welcome.
Variety is the spice of life, after all.
And hey, if those missions you're angry about aren't light and fluffy enough for Empire, I for one would welcome more relevant and 'in-genre' mission choices out in Stain. Murder, loot and pillage inclusive.
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Brigsby5987
Caldari 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2008.09.25 17:36:00 -
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Quote: hell, is like how rich people can get away with things in North Ameirca XD
Yeah unfortunetely money buys pretty much everything here. I prefer socialism tbh. _______________________________________ Sig? where. There's no sig here. |
Raistlim
Deep Space Supplies Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.25 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Raistlim on 25/09/2008 19:12:23 well... the OP could switch the language of the client to another language which he doesnt understand. problem solved.
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Sai Renn
Leader Dogs For The Blind
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Posted - 2008.09.25 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sai Renn on 25/09/2008 23:55:46
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 17/09/2008 21:16:30
Originally by: Ghost hunter Sorry this isn't the fairy world where everything is crisp green and people flock through fields of eternal happiness?
Every ship you destroy in EVE is manned by people with the exception of capsuleer crewed Frigates. Blow up a battleship? Anywhere from 4000 to 7000 people just went down. Some may survive in escape pods, I'm not sure if that's valid though.
I have ran plenty of missions and it didn't bother me in the slightest, but the way these new missions are worded, and explained are seriously psychotic and lacking in any morals at all. I don't expect green grass and birds singing (i'd probably shoot the birds because they were disturbing my quiet), but these new missions are so seriously morally bankrupt that they stand out even to me as poor quality psychotic crap that should never have made it through QA.
Sam
Quote: I don't expect green grass and birds singing (i'd probably shoot the birds because they were disturbing my quiet), but these new missions are so seriously morally bankrupt that they stand out even to me as poor quality psychotic crap
Quote: I don't expect green grass and birds singing (i'd probably shoot the birds because they were disturbing my quiet)
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psycho.
Please stop playing EVE you psychotic 8 year old future killer.
I had a mission to catch a slave for one of the heirs to the amarr thone. ends up that the slaves lover had broke her free or some such.
I felt bad afterwards.
Because one of my drones got destroyed :(
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.09.26 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 17/09/2008 21:16:30
Originally by: Ghost hunter Sorry this isn't the fairy world where everything is crisp green and people flock through fields of eternal happiness?
Every ship you destroy in EVE is manned by people with the exception of capsuleer crewed Frigates. Blow up a battleship? Anywhere from 4000 to 7000 people just went down. Some may survive in escape pods, I'm not sure if that's valid though.
I have ran plenty of missions and it didn't bother me in the slightest, but the way these new missions are worded, and explained are seriously psychotic and lacking in any morals at all. I don't expect green grass and birds singing (i'd probably shoot the birds because they were disturbing my quiet), but these new missions are so seriously morally bankrupt that they stand out even to me as poor quality psychotic crap that should never have made it through QA.
Sam
your playing the wrong game wow is that way----------->
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Ferocious FeAr
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.09.26 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 26/09/2008 03:17:27
It's just a game, this is why gaming gets a bad rap at times. It's sensitive people like you that make a big deal out of nothing. I can understand now why people get gagged/petitioned so much in game. This game is catered to overgrown crybabies.
Sorry, I'm a bit sour right now. Some people just don't understand that they're playing a game. It's not like they are asking you to act this out in real life.
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Something Awry
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Posted - 2008.09.26 11:23:00 -
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If you don't want to do kill missions, turn them down. If you want missions which involve you picking flowers, perhaps you're in the wrong game.
Bad things happen in wartime, and with FW, the Eve universe is at war. More often than not, those bad things are premeditated, whether they happen at Auschwitz or My Lai. As for "moral issues", you made your moral choice when you fitted weapons to your ship, and again when you accepted the kill mission.
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