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Jack TheSlayer
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Posted - 2008.09.20 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jack TheSlayer on 20/09/2008 14:23:24 i don't quite know where to put this so I've placed it here:
i think that the insurance rates for assault ships, interceptors and other t2 frigs is a bit low, i mean yer if u build the ships yourself this does not appeal to u but for those of us with limited amounts of isk but still risk usin t2 frigs with t2 fittin, payin the average 11 million isk to purchase the ship jus to find out all ur really gonna get back if u lose the ship is 3 million jus takes the fun out of bein able to fly these beautiful ships.
so i'm postin this to make a suggestion of raisin the insurance payout's for the t2 frigates i'm not sayin put it up to 100% back jus more like 50-60% of market price so we actually make sum money back from our loss.
i hope other players take a look at this and agree and the dev's take a look and take my suggestion into consideration.
ty for ur time Jack T. Slayer
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N'tek alar
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Posted - 2008.09.20 14:22:00 -
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It's that way for all t2 ships, Not just frigates.
It's the way it's intended to be.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.20 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: N'tek alar It's that way for all t2 ships, Not just frigates.
It's the way it's intended to be.
No adjustment necessary.
You're right, other than fixing T2 insurance, you have nothing else to adjust
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mentalmonkey
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:02:00 -
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Oh yes because everything in EVE is so expensive ATM. If T2 got increased insurance payouts they would be just like any other ship, the fact the OP refers only to T2 frigates shows his lack of knowledge in the matter. Technically its not the insurance prices that are wrong, they are calculated by mineral value, its the fact people are selling them for more, because players are willing to pay that much for T2.
Saying "if you build them yourself this does not appeal(APPLY?) to you.." is is like saying minerals are free if you mine them yourself. They could have sold the ships for market price so they are still the same effective loss, even if not psychologically.
"..with limited amounts of isk but still risk usin t2 frigs with t2 fittin" well if you can't afford it don't use / fly it - simple?
I think I may have just been trolled, but my lack of faith in humanity makes me think there may actually be people posting this cra-, stuff. Oh and I REALLY hope English isn't your first language. kthxbai.
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Jack TheSlayer
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jack TheSlayer on 20/09/2008 15:22:21
Originally by: mentalmonkey Oh yes because everything in EVE is so expensive ATM. If T2 got increased insurance payouts they would be just like any other ship, the fact the OP refers only to T2 frigates shows his lack of knowledge in the matter. Technically its not the insurance prices that are wrong, they are calculated by mineral value, its the fact people are selling them for more, because players are willing to pay that much for T2.
Saying "if you build them yourself this does not appeal(APPLY?) to you.." is is like saying minerals are free if you mine them yourself. They could have sold the ships for market price so they are still the same effective loss, even if not psychologically.
"..with limited amounts of isk but still risk usin t2 frigs with t2 fittin" well if you can't afford it don't use / fly it - simple?
I think I may have just been trolled, but my lack of faith in humanity makes me think there may actually be people posting this cra-, stuff. Oh and I REALLY hope English isn't your first language. kthxbai.
alrite my typin aint my best i'll admit that. as the topic say's it is jus a suggestion, As for the bit about takin the risk with limited amounts of isk all i'm gonna say is why should i limit myself to crapper ships becoz of lack of insurance payout as for the trollin comment i dont know wot that comment means so u may have or may not have been (seriously is that a nerd code or sumthin)
also i only comment on t2 frigs as thats all i'm able to use at the minute why would i comment on any other t2 ship's insurance if i cant use it. ( thought it would b obvious if i only comment on the frigs i obviously cant fly any bigger)
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:26:00 -
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Because they have insurance?
Protip: you aren't entitled to practically free ships. If you would like access to better ships, then pay for them. Otherwise, use crappier ships. That's what they're there for.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: mentalmonkey they are calculated by mineral value, its the fact people are selling them for more, because players are willing to pay that much for T2.
Tritanium at 5.12 Isk / unit plz.
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Jethro Jechonias
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jack TheSlayer As for the bit about takin the risk with limited amounts of isk all i'm gonna say is why should i limit myself to crapper ships becoz of lack of insurance payout
The same reason that you use crappier modules.
Using the elite equipment, be it ship, module, rig, or whatever, is supposed to carry a price premium.
Tech2 ships, just like Tech2 modules are supposed to be expensive to lose.
That is the way the game is supposed to work.
Tech1 ships, backed by either numbers or skill, can still defeat Tech2 ships.
You need to be careful when using Tech2 stuff so that you don't lose the ecconomic war, even if, on average, you win the combat war.
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Jack TheSlayer
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Because they have insurance?
Protip: you aren't entitled to practically free ships. If you would like access to better ships, then pay for them. Otherwise, use crappier ships. That's what they're there for.
i'm not sayin that i was jus doin a generalization from the other ships i am able to fly from most ships i've used i have noticed the payout is like between 40-50% of the usual purchase price but with the frigs its more like 20-25% as the monkey made out b4 i am only commentin on the frigs becoz i havent seen the prices for any other t2 ships to insure em yet but dam this last time i post sumthin i think may help ppl out or a suggestion becoz the attitude from sum ppl is quite sad really i mean u ppl not got anythin better to do then shoot sumones suggestion down not meanin the person on the quote
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Jack TheSlayer
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jethro Jechonias
Originally by: Jack TheSlayer As for the bit about takin the risk with limited amounts of isk all i'm gonna say is why should i limit myself to crapper ships becoz of lack of insurance payout
The same reason that you use crappier modules.
Using the elite equipment, be it ship, module, rig, or whatever, is supposed to carry a price premium.
Tech2 ships, just like Tech2 modules are supposed to be expensive to lose.
That is the way the game is supposed to work.
Tech1 ships, backed by either numbers or skill, can still defeat Tech2 ships.
You need to be careful when using Tech2 stuff so that you don't lose the ecconomic war, even if, on average, you win the combat war.
see this the type of answer i expect ty jethro
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jethro Jechonias
Originally by: Jack TheSlayer As for the bit about takin the risk with limited amounts of isk all i'm gonna say is why should i limit myself to crapper ships becoz of lack of insurance payout
The same reason that you use crappier modules.
ZOMG REMOVE INSURANCE!!!11!!1&!!!!ELEVENTHOUSAND!
no.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:49:00 -
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No. We don't need more ISK faucets.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.09.20 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia No. We don't need more ISK faucets.
Yeah, we already have T1 Insurance, T2 Insurance should pay more. It's T2, it's better than T1
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.20 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/09/2008 17:11:24
Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Originally by: Tippia No. We don't need more ISK faucets.
Yeah, we already have T1 Insurance, T2 Insurance should pay more. It's T2, it's better than T1
T2 insurance DOES pay more. You can get what, a couple of mil on Platinum insurance for an assault ship? That's a lot more than you'd get for a T1 frig. T2 ship losses are supposed to be ISK sinks (which tbh there aren't enough of these days.)
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Arouu
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Posted - 2008.09.20 17:14:00 -
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T2 PRICES ARE SET BY PLAYERS OMG.
Tbh.
T2 prices are not set by estinated minderal values.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.09.20 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/09/2008 17:11:24
Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Originally by: Tippia No. We don't need more ISK faucets.
Yeah, we already have T1 Insurance, T2 Insurance should pay more. It's T2, it's better than T1
T2 insurance DOES pay more. You can get what, a couple of mil on Platinum insurance for an assault ship? That's a lot more than you'd get for a T1 frig. T2 ship losses are supposed to be ISK sinks (which tbh there aren't enough of these days.)
Don't feed the troll, mate.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.20 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 20/09/2008 18:56:13 Someone please tell me that English isn't this guys first language. Because that'll make this awful r-aping of the language slightly more tolerable.
Also, ship losses are not isk sinks.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.20 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Arouu estinated minderal values.
I can haz Strip Miners for minderals with high estinated values?
Back to the OP, T2 ships are meant to be a bigger ISK loss when they are destroyed, so you have to make a trade-off in deciding if you want the fancier ship and risk more on the battlefield, or if a T1 hull can do the job you need.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.20 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Also, ship losses are not isk sinks.
Repeated for emphasis.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.20 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Friendly
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/09/2008 17:11:24
Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Originally by: Tippia No. We don't need more ISK faucets.
Yeah, we already have T1 Insurance, T2 Insurance should pay more. It's T2, it's better than T1
T2 insurance DOES pay more. You can get what, a couple of mil on Platinum insurance for an assault ship? That's a lot more than you'd get for a T1 frig. T2 ship losses are supposed to be ISK sinks (which tbh there aren't enough of these days.)
Don't feed the troll, mate.
He was trolling himself, as the cost involved in buying a t2 ship involves money transferring hands, and the insurance is still an isk faucet to the economy as a whole.
oh and 11mil for a ship... that is nothing, I can put 1 rig on a battleship and it then becomes an 11million loss (to me) even with insurance. never mind 3 rigs and a full t2/best named fit. but still injects a bit of isk into the economy
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abrasive soap
Trident Enterprises Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.20 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jethro Jechonias
Originally by: Jack TheSlayer As for the bit about takin the risk with limited amounts of isk all i'm gonna say is why should i limit myself to crapper ships becoz of lack of insurance payout
The same reason that you use crappier modules.
Using the elite equipment, be it ship, module, rig, or whatever, is supposed to carry a price premium.
Tech2 ships, just like Tech2 modules are supposed to be expensive to lose.
That is the way the game is supposed to work.
Tech1 ships, backed by either numbers or skill, can still defeat Tech2 ships.
You need to be careful when using Tech2 stuff so that you don't lose the ecconomic war, even if, on average, you win the combat war.
i dont think tech 2 exists in order to devour isk...
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.09.20 21:23:00 -
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The point of eve is that the market is player driver. you say "hey insurance is broken" whenj in fact it's just demand is high and supply is not only limited but required a lot of work.
Thus for a good inventor he is ably to seller lower than the rest of the market becuase he is better or much more lucky.
By doing this he can muliply the vavlue of his minerals.
So in fact 3 million isk pay out is correct, that is 80% of the cost to build a tech 2 frigate. The ship you paid 10 mil for is only worth 5 mil, it just happens you paid 10 mil for them. Yeah it sucks, and maybe tech 2 ships could have a 10% incease in payout but if they do that that also mean the cost of building goes up and thus the price the players sell at might go up.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.09.20 23:14:00 -
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not sure if this has been said already, but . . . . . .
dont fly what you cant afford to lose
get over it, its a T2 ship
intys can go like 7km/sec
steal th bombers can shoot cruise missiles
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Reptar Dragon
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.09.21 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jack TheSlayer Edited by: Jack TheSlayer on 20/09/2008 14:23:24 i don't quite know where to put this so I've placed it here:
i think that the insurance rates for assault ships, interceptors and other t2 frigs is a bit low, i mean yer if u build the ships yourself this does not appeal to u but for those of us with limited amounts of isk but still risk usin t2 frigs with t2 fittin, payin the average 11 million isk to purchase the ship jus to find out all ur really gonna get back if u lose the ship is 3 million jus takes the fun out of bein able to fly these beautiful ships.
so i'm postin this to make a suggestion of raisin the insurance payout's for the t2 frigates i'm not sayin put it up to 100% back jus more like 50-60% of market price so we actually make sum money back from our loss.
i hope other players take a look at this and agree and the dev's take a look and take my suggestion into consideration.
ty for ur time Jack T. Slayer
CCP sets insurance prices based on mineral prices. If the main trading hub of jita wants to gouge people for 150% of build cost as a group, and the rest of EVE follows to make 150% profit, it's not CCPs problem.
For example build price of Manticore is about 4mil and it sells for about 12-20mil depending on the day of the week. And do you think the crow really costs 17m to build?
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Kulmid
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.21 04:55:00 -
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Once upon a time Enyo's cost about 5.5mil, then the insurance was actually pretty decent.
You would think CCP would have added things like, "Amarr", "CCP", "Microwarpdrive", etc. to their forum dictionary.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.09.21 04:56:00 -
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wolfs in jita for 7 mil
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.21 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jack TheSlayer [i mean yer if u build the ships yourself this does not appeal to u
Yes, because if you build the ship yourself, it's free. I think I've read something about this before.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.09.21 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/09/2008 17:11:24
Originally by: Demitria Fernir
Originally by: Tippia No. We don't need more ISK faucets.
Yeah, we already have T1 Insurance, T2 Insurance should pay more. It's T2, it's better than T1
T2 insurance DOES pay more. You can get what, a couple of mil on Platinum insurance for an assault ship? That's a lot more than you'd get for a T1 frig. T2 ship losses are supposed to be ISK sinks (which tbh there aren't enough of these days.)
Any ship loss is never an isk sink. You get insurance from dying, even if you never insured the ship. When you buy a ship, another player gets the isk, it does not leave the game via an NPC thus there is no sink. A sink only occurs when the isk LEAVES the game via NPCs. (say if you insure a ship but the insurance expires without being claimed).
Quote: CCP sets insurance prices based on mineral prices.
The insurance prices don't change if mineral prices change, they're set on the base cost. With T1 minerals (trit etc) the whole basket of minerals sits only slightly above the base prices. With T2 materials (sylramic fibers etc) these sit much higher than the base prices. So when the insurance was calculated (years ago based on the base prices) it never took into account how much it actually cost. So the insurance price will be far less than the build cost even from a BPO let alone invention. What this suggests is either the base prices are wrong, or there is an under-supply in advanced materials.
Anyway, this has always been the nature of T2, and is the choice you make when you choose to fly them, you can always try another T1 ship instead.
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Arvald
Caldari Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.09.21 06:29:00 -
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insurance is calculated at mineral cost, not market price
it is players that make the ships so expensive
it is working as intended
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.09.21 06:34:00 -
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I always thought T2 insurance was a bit "off". They take more than just minerals to build... it's like the other components are considered of no value or something.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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