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adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:33:00 -
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Has CCP got a solid plan for what players will be reimbursed with? I personally would prefer Unallocated SP as some of my characters are not cross trained and have Battlecruisers 5, and I do not want to ruin their skillsheets with 2-3 racial BC that I will not be using.
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
Drudging
The High and Mighty
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:34:00 -
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inbl
this information can be discussed elsewhere on the forum. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:36:00 -
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the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1377
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:37:00 -
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They haven't told us how exactly things are going to go down yet. All we know for sure is that we will still be able to fly what we can fly now. I assume that means they will give us the SP already placed for each skill. I could be wrong.
EvE is not about PvP.-a EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-a Open the door!!! |
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:37:00 -
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Drudging wrote:inbl
this information can be discussed elsewhere on the forum.
i'll take this space for a IBTL as well
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Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:38:00 -
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They haven't said. They did say they were looking for a fair method.
I have BC 5 on all my accounts as well but don't have all 3 Gunnery and missles over all the accounts so I am self restricted to certain CS.
After they make the changes it will be easier to convert to Winmatar in any case. That's really the only logistical viewpoint I took from this. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:41:00 -
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ibt... oh wait, it's not one of those threads....
Judging from what they've said so far the plan seems to be if you have Battlecruiser 4 when the patch hits, then you'll get Gallente BC 4, Amarr BC 4, etc. If you have Battlecruiser 5, you'll get Gallente BC 5, Amarr BC 5... you get the idea.
I don't think it'll be unallocated SP. The idea seems to be that they want to reimburse you in a way that you can still fly tomorrow what you can fly today. While you may not use those 2-3 racial BC's, you can fly them (by added racial cruiser 3) since you have the BC skill trained. Similarly after the patch, they want you to be able to fly them (by added racial cruiser 3, or whatever), it stays the same after the patch as before.
Unallocated SP wouldn't keep it the same, you could allocate that SP to Caldari Dread skill, which isn't where it was pre-patch. Furthermore, if you have BC5, then that would be 3-4 races of BC5 skillpoints. I don't have enough fingers to add that all up, but I'm pretty sure it's a bunch, much more than they would want to hand out to do with as you please. |
Saint Lazarus
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:42:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.
This is only logical step.
If they reimburse us for just 1 lvl 5, we still have 3 other skills we needa get back to 5 to be where we're at now.
I know I'll still want all racial BC skills. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:43:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.
It's actually a case of "If you could fly it before you can fly it after the change". So if you're missing a racial cruiser skill you wouldn't get the equivalent BC skill for that race, only the ones you are qualified for. Same goes for Destroyers.
Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V.
I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --aTippia |
Ager Agemo
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:45:00 -
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actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else. |
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:48:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else.
It wouldn't be wasted because you don't qualify for Gallente BCs in the first place. You just wouldn't receive the free SPs.
I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --aTippia |
adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
339
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:52:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else.
Exactly my point, some of my characters are trained for specific races for selling purposes, so if I am given all race BC 5 on them it'll be a whole waste of SP that they won't use.
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:54:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else. It wouldn't be wasted because you don't qualify for Gallente BCs in the first place. You just wouldn't receive the free SPs.
^This was that other half of the message I heard^
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
505
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:56:00 -
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How the **** could you ruin your skill sheet by getting free SP ? Think about....if you want to sell your character....it adds value even if you don't have the necessary skills associated with it...the next person that purchase it can finish that. If you are keeping the character....it won't do a damn thing to you at all....so don't fly them and pretend they don't exist...maybe you will decide to fly that one Racial battlecruiser someday and look at that... Done! so all you might need are gun skills. |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
307
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:56:00 -
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If they do the unallocated SP thing people will quite literally be receiving "free" skill points.
V's across the board is by far the most sensible step.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-a you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:57:00 -
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adopt wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else. Exactly my point, some of my characters are trained for specific races for selling purposes, so if I am given all race BC 5 on them it'll be a whole waste of SP that they won't use.
It isn't a waste of SP because it's free SP that you wouldn't have anyway. Look at it this way. If CCP said "we're going to force you to take the time to train these other battlecruisers, you can't train anything else until you can fly what you could before" then it would be a waste of your time. You are spending time training for something you don't want.
What CCP is doing is giving you free skill points (if it works out the way the players here think). They are giving you 4 skills for the price of 1, and that one is something you've already trained, you've already spent the time on. There is no further training needed on your part so it's not a waste of your time. There's nothing new you need to do and nothing further you need to train.
I guess you can argue that it's "wasted" in the sense that you won't use it, true. But think of it like this, they could just give you 1/4th of the SP they would have given you, and let you use it on the BC of your choice. You're in the same spot, you've just declined the free SP for the other 3 races. Sure you might not use it, but why in the world would you do that? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
505
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:01:00 -
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adopt wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else. Exactly my point, some of my characters are trained for specific races for selling purposes, so if I am given all race BC 5 on them it'll be a whole waste of SP that they won't use.
No, it won't. They are not giving you all the racial skills you don't have, they are adding in and shifting around the BC / Destroyer skill with the intent that it won't disrupt what you can already fly...so if you have BC 5, Destroyer 5, Only Amarr and Minmatar frig + Cruiser....you are not getting Caldari or Gallente BC 5 because you don't have Caldari frig, Gallente Frig, Caldari cruiser, Gallente Cruiser skills. You cannot get what you don't have trained, but if you happen to have all those racial frigs and cruisers you will be getting ALL of the NEW RACIAL only skills. |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:04:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers. It's actually a case of "If you could fly it before you can fly it after the change". So if you're missing a racial cruiser skill you wouldn't get the equivalent BC skill for that race, only the ones you are qualified for. Same goes for Destroyers. Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V.
Any idea when this is happening?
I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:08:00 -
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Marduk Nibiru wrote:
Any idea when this is happening?
I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more.
The next patches scheduled are Apr 24 - pre inferno and may 22 - inferno. I don't think they've said which one they're going to do it on, but you have about a month before the first one, might want to start now (I'm wrapping up BC 5 myself). |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:08:00 -
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Marduk Nibiru wrote:Any idea when this is happening?
I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more.
It was stated that it would likely happen after Inferno proper comes out (not the early patch in April, but the big one in May). I personally would have barely squeaked in all BCs to V, leaving Dessie at IV for everybody (still better than nothing!) if it was in April, but it seems we have some time.
I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --aTippia |
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1201
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:08:00 -
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BeanBagKing wrote:ibt... oh wait, it's not one of those threads....
Judging from what they've said so far the plan seems to be if you have Battlecruiser 4 when the patch hits, then you'll get Gallente BC 4, Amarr BC 4, etc. If you have Battlecruiser 5, you'll get Gallente BC 5, Amarr BC 5... you get the idea.
So if Minmatar Cruiser is a prerequisite for Minmatar Battlecruiser, as was my impression, what happens if I don't have Min Cruiser trained? Would I lose the BC 5 skill for that race and have to train it, even though today I can train Min Cruiser and jump straight into a Hurricane?
I'm not against the skill change, but I do think they haven't thought through all the consequences of the transition. SOMEONE is going to get unfair treatment when the skills are converted. Personally, I bothered to train Destroyers 5 recently just to be sure I was covered if/when this happens.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Lugaedh
Bluestar Enterprises
The Craftsmen
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:09:00 -
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Marduk Nibiru wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers. It's actually a case of "If you could fly it before you can fly it after the change". So if you're missing a racial cruiser skill you wouldn't get the equivalent BC skill for that race, only the ones you are qualified for. Same goes for Destroyers. Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V. Any idea when this is happening? I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more.
May 22nd according to an article on golem.de the day before yesterday (inferno patch. i think destroyers will start first) |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:11:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:So if Minmatar Cruiser is a prerequisite for Minmatar Battlecruiser, as was my impression, what happens if I don't have Min Cruiser trained? Would I lose the BC 5 skill for that race and have to train it, even though today I can train Min Cruiser and jump straight into a Hurricane?
At this time, and given what has been said and what we know of how CCP will do this, that is exactly what will happen.
I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --aTippia |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:14:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.
Are they really basing it on skill level or on the ships you can fly? Technically speaking they could provide the latter by just making you BC3 across the board unless you can fly command ships, which also need cruiser 5 if I'm recalling correct (at work).
I hope they lower the SP required for these skills. If they're going to make you train 4 BC instead of just one then it shouldn't be a 5x or whatever it is. They should drop it an x or two. Of course, that would make brewing Drake alts a little on the fast side... |
Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas
The Paganism Alliance
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:17:00 -
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How about something in the 'redeem' menu...
Option 1: Exchange BC (level) for Racial BC (level) across the board
OR (for the 'OCD skillsheet' people out there)
Option 2: Exchange BC (level) for selected Racial BCs (level)
first option allows the player to just get all 4. Second allows them to just pick what they want, i.e. Only Gallente & Amarr. The first obviously is a smarter one to pick if you do not want to train more skills, but the second will be available to keep any awkward people quiet.
Of course, once the option has been chosen, it is not reversible...so choose carefully and live with your actions  |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:23:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:BeanBagKing wrote:ibt... oh wait, it's not one of those threads....
Judging from what they've said so far the plan seems to be if you have Battlecruiser 4 when the patch hits, then you'll get Gallente BC 4, Amarr BC 4, etc. If you have Battlecruiser 5, you'll get Gallente BC 5, Amarr BC 5... you get the idea. So if Minmatar Cruiser is a prerequisite for Minmatar Battlecruiser, as was my impression, what happens if I don't have Min Cruiser trained? Would I lose the BC 5 skill for that race and have to train it, even though today I can train Min Cruiser and jump straight into a Hurricane? I'm not against the skill change, but I do think they haven't thought through all the consequences of the transition. SOMEONE is going to get unfair treatment when the skills are converted. Personally, I bothered to train Destroyers 5 recently just to be sure I was covered if/when this happens.
I -think- that you would get Min BC 5 even if you don't have Min Cruiser trained. Look at it this way, CCP's intention seems to be to disrupt your skill training as little as possible. Now I have command ships trained right now, but I can't fly Min command ships because I don't have Min Cruiser 5. If I decided I wanted to fly the Claymore though, I would train Min Cruiser 5, 20 days, and jump in it. Similarly if you don't have Min cruiser at all, but wanted to train it, you could jump in a hurricane, but if they don't give you the skills for that post patch, they are forcing you to add the extra Min BC training time, effectivly making you train something that you have at this moment, regardless of your ability to fly that specific ship.
Now if they don't give me Min BC 5, and I decide I want to fly the Claymore, I have to train Min Cruiser 5 THEN train Min BC 5 (40ish days). CCP has doubled the time it takes me to get into a ship post patch compared to pre patch. I'd certainly qualify that as disrupting my skill training. Again, I -think- that they are trying to disrupt things as little as possible, that seems to be the idea they have in mind. How exactly they implement it and where they draw the line I don't know.
Your right, I don't think they've completely thought through all the consequences (or if they have in meetings, they haven't shared). I don't think there's a way to do it though that won't have a negative effect on what you can fly now without reimbursing all 4 racial BC/destroyer skills even if you only fly 1 race. There's a lot of guesswork going into it on my part though :P
My advice to my corp mates is to train all the cruiser and frigs to 4 (or whatever) right now, it's not a long train, and then destroyer 5 and BC 5 (like a month and a half there). It's a little long, but at that point you should be able to fly everything available and you should be reimbursed with level 5 skills after. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
426
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:31:00 -
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maybe they will make BC a x3 skill or something to compensate. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:38:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:maybe they will make BC a x3 skill or something to compensate.
Unless they change their mind, I don't think so, reference
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones
Also
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5.
Nothing is mentioned about having cruiser (or any other pre-req) to any level, "having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5" seems pretty clear. However, as has been pointed out, there may be instances where you could have BC to 5, but not a racial cruiser, so you couldn't fly the ship, violating the "already fly" clause. I'm erring on the side of you'll get it though because...
CCP Soundwave wrote:
We'll find a suitable reimbursement that makes everyone happy. I'm not terribly fussed about giving away a little extra if it moves we move the ship progression system into a better place.
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Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:42:00 -
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It wouldn't really make sense to change the rank of BC. Cruisers are 5x and will be a prereq to BC under the new system. BC are already at 6x.
With the other ships (except destroyers) the bigger the ship, the higher rank it is. |
Rivur'Tam
the united
Negative Ten.
11
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:44:00 -
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i really don't thiunk they will give you all bc lv5 if you only have the 1 trained
i think it will be based on your cruiser skill
ie if you have bc 5
gall cruiser 4
amarr cruiser 3
caldari cruiser 5
mini cruiser 4
you will get
gall bc 4
amarr bc 3
caldari bc 5
mini bc 4
that would be a fair way to do it but giving us all 5 for bc 5 would be great but that would defeat the point of changing in the first place
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