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adopt
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:33:00 -
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Has CCP got a solid plan for what players will be reimbursed with? I personally would prefer Unallocated SP as some of my characters are not cross trained and have Battlecruisers 5, and I do not want to ruin their skillsheets with 2-3 racial BC that I will not be using. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
Drudging
The High and Mighty
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:34:00 -
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inbl
this information can be discussed elsewhere on the forum. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:36:00 -
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the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1377
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:37:00 -
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They haven't told us how exactly things are going to go down yet. All we know for sure is that we will still be able to fly what we can fly now. I assume that means they will give us the SP already placed for each skill. I could be wrong. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:37:00 -
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Drudging wrote:inbl
this information can be discussed elsewhere on the forum.
i'll take this space for a IBTL as well AMP - Angry Monkey Podcast |
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:38:00 -
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They haven't said. They did say they were looking for a fair method.
I have BC 5 on all my accounts as well but don't have all 3 Gunnery and missles over all the accounts so I am self restricted to certain CS.
After they make the changes it will be easier to convert to Winmatar in any case. That's really the only logistical viewpoint I took from this. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:41:00 -
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ibt... oh wait, it's not one of those threads....
Judging from what they've said so far the plan seems to be if you have Battlecruiser 4 when the patch hits, then you'll get Gallente BC 4, Amarr BC 4, etc. If you have Battlecruiser 5, you'll get Gallente BC 5, Amarr BC 5... you get the idea.
I don't think it'll be unallocated SP. The idea seems to be that they want to reimburse you in a way that you can still fly tomorrow what you can fly today. While you may not use those 2-3 racial BC's, you can fly them (by added racial cruiser 3) since you have the BC skill trained. Similarly after the patch, they want you to be able to fly them (by added racial cruiser 3, or whatever), it stays the same after the patch as before.
Unallocated SP wouldn't keep it the same, you could allocate that SP to Caldari Dread skill, which isn't where it was pre-patch. Furthermore, if you have BC5, then that would be 3-4 races of BC5 skillpoints. I don't have enough fingers to add that all up, but I'm pretty sure it's a bunch, much more than they would want to hand out to do with as you please. |
Saint Lazarus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:42:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.
This is only logical step.
If they reimburse us for just 1 lvl 5, we still have 3 other skills we needa get back to 5 to be where we're at now.
I know I'll still want all racial BC skills. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:43:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers. It's actually a case of "If you could fly it before you can fly it after the change". So if you're missing a racial cruiser skill you wouldn't get the equivalent BC skill for that race, only the ones you are qualified for. Same goes for Destroyers.
Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Ager Agemo
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:45:00 -
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actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else. |
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:48:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else. It wouldn't be wasted because you don't qualify for Gallente BCs in the first place. You just wouldn't receive the free SPs. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
adopt
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
339
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:52:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else.
Exactly my point, some of my characters are trained for specific races for selling purposes, so if I am given all race BC 5 on them it'll be a whole waste of SP that they won't use. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:54:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else. It wouldn't be wasted because you don't qualify for Gallente BCs in the first place. You just wouldn't receive the free SPs.
^This was that other half of the message I heard^ Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
505
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:56:00 -
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How the **** could you ruin your skill sheet by getting free SP ? Think about....if you want to sell your character....it adds value even if you don't have the necessary skills associated with it...the next person that purchase it can finish that. If you are keeping the character....it won't do a damn thing to you at all....so don't fly them and pretend they don't exist...maybe you will decide to fly that one Racial battlecruiser someday and look at that... Done! so all you might need are gun skills. |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
307
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:56:00 -
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If they do the unallocated SP thing people will quite literally be receiving "free" skill points.
V's across the board is by far the most sensible step.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:57:00 -
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adopt wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else. Exactly my point, some of my characters are trained for specific races for selling purposes, so if I am given all race BC 5 on them it'll be a whole waste of SP that they won't use.
It isn't a waste of SP because it's free SP that you wouldn't have anyway. Look at it this way. If CCP said "we're going to force you to take the time to train these other battlecruisers, you can't train anything else until you can fly what you could before" then it would be a waste of your time. You are spending time training for something you don't want.
What CCP is doing is giving you free skill points (if it works out the way the players here think). They are giving you 4 skills for the price of 1, and that one is something you've already trained, you've already spent the time on. There is no further training needed on your part so it's not a waste of your time. There's nothing new you need to do and nothing further you need to train.
I guess you can argue that it's "wasted" in the sense that you won't use it, true. But think of it like this, they could just give you 1/4th of the SP they would have given you, and let you use it on the BC of your choice. You're in the same spot, you've just declined the free SP for the other 3 races. Sure you might not use it, but why in the world would you do that? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
505
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:01:00 -
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adopt wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else. Exactly my point, some of my characters are trained for specific races for selling purposes, so if I am given all race BC 5 on them it'll be a whole waste of SP that they won't use. No, it won't. They are not giving you all the racial skills you don't have, they are adding in and shifting around the BC / Destroyer skill with the intent that it won't disrupt what you can already fly...so if you have BC 5, Destroyer 5, Only Amarr and Minmatar frig + Cruiser....you are not getting Caldari or Gallente BC 5 because you don't have Caldari frig, Gallente Frig, Caldari cruiser, Gallente Cruiser skills. You cannot get what you don't have trained, but if you happen to have all those racial frigs and cruisers you will be getting ALL of the NEW RACIAL only skills. |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:04:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers. It's actually a case of "If you could fly it before you can fly it after the change". So if you're missing a racial cruiser skill you wouldn't get the equivalent BC skill for that race, only the ones you are qualified for. Same goes for Destroyers. Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V.
Any idea when this is happening?
I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:08:00 -
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Marduk Nibiru wrote:
Any idea when this is happening?
I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more.
The next patches scheduled are Apr 24 - pre inferno and may 22 - inferno. I don't think they've said which one they're going to do it on, but you have about a month before the first one, might want to start now (I'm wrapping up BC 5 myself). |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:08:00 -
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Marduk Nibiru wrote:Any idea when this is happening?
I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more. It was stated that it would likely happen after Inferno proper comes out (not the early patch in April, but the big one in May). I personally would have barely squeaked in all BCs to V, leaving Dessie at IV for everybody (still better than nothing!) if it was in April, but it seems we have some time. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1201
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:08:00 -
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BeanBagKing wrote:ibt... oh wait, it's not one of those threads....
Judging from what they've said so far the plan seems to be if you have Battlecruiser 4 when the patch hits, then you'll get Gallente BC 4, Amarr BC 4, etc. If you have Battlecruiser 5, you'll get Gallente BC 5, Amarr BC 5... you get the idea.
So if Minmatar Cruiser is a prerequisite for Minmatar Battlecruiser, as was my impression, what happens if I don't have Min Cruiser trained? Would I lose the BC 5 skill for that race and have to train it, even though today I can train Min Cruiser and jump straight into a Hurricane?
I'm not against the skill change, but I do think they haven't thought through all the consequences of the transition. SOMEONE is going to get unfair treatment when the skills are converted. Personally, I bothered to train Destroyers 5 recently just to be sure I was covered if/when this happens. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Lugaedh
Bluestar Enterprises The Craftsmen
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:09:00 -
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Marduk Nibiru wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers. It's actually a case of "If you could fly it before you can fly it after the change". So if you're missing a racial cruiser skill you wouldn't get the equivalent BC skill for that race, only the ones you are qualified for. Same goes for Destroyers. Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V. Any idea when this is happening? I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more.
May 22nd according to an article on golem.de the day before yesterday (inferno patch. i think destroyers will start first) |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:11:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:So if Minmatar Cruiser is a prerequisite for Minmatar Battlecruiser, as was my impression, what happens if I don't have Min Cruiser trained? Would I lose the BC 5 skill for that race and have to train it, even though today I can train Min Cruiser and jump straight into a Hurricane? At this time, and given what has been said and what we know of how CCP will do this, that is exactly what will happen. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:14:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.
Are they really basing it on skill level or on the ships you can fly? Technically speaking they could provide the latter by just making you BC3 across the board unless you can fly command ships, which also need cruiser 5 if I'm recalling correct (at work).
I hope they lower the SP required for these skills. If they're going to make you train 4 BC instead of just one then it shouldn't be a 5x or whatever it is. They should drop it an x or two. Of course, that would make brewing Drake alts a little on the fast side... |
Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:17:00 -
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How about something in the 'redeem' menu...
Option 1: Exchange BC (level) for Racial BC (level) across the board
OR (for the 'OCD skillsheet' people out there)
Option 2: Exchange BC (level) for selected Racial BCs (level)
first option allows the player to just get all 4. Second allows them to just pick what they want, i.e. Only Gallente & Amarr. The first obviously is a smarter one to pick if you do not want to train more skills, but the second will be available to keep any awkward people quiet.
Of course, once the option has been chosen, it is not reversible...so choose carefully and live with your actions |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:23:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:BeanBagKing wrote:ibt... oh wait, it's not one of those threads....
Judging from what they've said so far the plan seems to be if you have Battlecruiser 4 when the patch hits, then you'll get Gallente BC 4, Amarr BC 4, etc. If you have Battlecruiser 5, you'll get Gallente BC 5, Amarr BC 5... you get the idea. So if Minmatar Cruiser is a prerequisite for Minmatar Battlecruiser, as was my impression, what happens if I don't have Min Cruiser trained? Would I lose the BC 5 skill for that race and have to train it, even though today I can train Min Cruiser and jump straight into a Hurricane? I'm not against the skill change, but I do think they haven't thought through all the consequences of the transition. SOMEONE is going to get unfair treatment when the skills are converted. Personally, I bothered to train Destroyers 5 recently just to be sure I was covered if/when this happens.
I -think- that you would get Min BC 5 even if you don't have Min Cruiser trained. Look at it this way, CCP's intention seems to be to disrupt your skill training as little as possible. Now I have command ships trained right now, but I can't fly Min command ships because I don't have Min Cruiser 5. If I decided I wanted to fly the Claymore though, I would train Min Cruiser 5, 20 days, and jump in it. Similarly if you don't have Min cruiser at all, but wanted to train it, you could jump in a hurricane, but if they don't give you the skills for that post patch, they are forcing you to add the extra Min BC training time, effectivly making you train something that you have at this moment, regardless of your ability to fly that specific ship.
Now if they don't give me Min BC 5, and I decide I want to fly the Claymore, I have to train Min Cruiser 5 THEN train Min BC 5 (40ish days). CCP has doubled the time it takes me to get into a ship post patch compared to pre patch. I'd certainly qualify that as disrupting my skill training. Again, I -think- that they are trying to disrupt things as little as possible, that seems to be the idea they have in mind. How exactly they implement it and where they draw the line I don't know.
Your right, I don't think they've completely thought through all the consequences (or if they have in meetings, they haven't shared). I don't think there's a way to do it though that won't have a negative effect on what you can fly now without reimbursing all 4 racial BC/destroyer skills even if you only fly 1 race. There's a lot of guesswork going into it on my part though :P
My advice to my corp mates is to train all the cruiser and frigs to 4 (or whatever) right now, it's not a long train, and then destroyer 5 and BC 5 (like a month and a half there). It's a little long, but at that point you should be able to fly everything available and you should be reimbursed with level 5 skills after. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
426
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:31:00 -
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maybe they will make BC a x3 skill or something to compensate. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:38:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:maybe they will make BC a x3 skill or something to compensate.
Unless they change their mind, I don't think so, reference
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones Also
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Destroyer and Battlecruiser reimbursement: it has been said before, but allow us to repeat again, that we do not want to cut ships you can already fly. Thus, having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5. Nothing is mentioned about having cruiser (or any other pre-req) to any level, "having BC skill at 5 would mean you get all four variations at 5" seems pretty clear. However, as has been pointed out, there may be instances where you could have BC to 5, but not a racial cruiser, so you couldn't fly the ship, violating the "already fly" clause. I'm erring on the side of you'll get it though because...
CCP Soundwave wrote: We'll find a suitable reimbursement that makes everyone happy. I'm not terribly fussed about giving away a little extra if it moves we move the ship progression system into a better place.
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Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:42:00 -
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It wouldn't really make sense to change the rank of BC. Cruisers are 5x and will be a prereq to BC under the new system. BC are already at 6x.
With the other ships (except destroyers) the bigger the ship, the higher rank it is. |
Rivur'Tam
the united Negative Ten.
11
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:44:00 -
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i really don't thiunk they will give you all bc lv5 if you only have the 1 trained
i think it will be based on your cruiser skill
ie if you have bc 5
gall cruiser 4
amarr cruiser 3
caldari cruiser 5
mini cruiser 4
you will get
gall bc 4
amarr bc 3
caldari bc 5
mini bc 4
that would be a fair way to do it but giving us all 5 for bc 5 would be great but that would defeat the point of changing in the first place Cry moar faggots |
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adopt
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
339
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:53:00 -
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Rivur'Tam wrote:i really don't thiunk they will give you all bc lv5 if you only have the 1 trained
i think it will be based on your cruiser skill
ie if you have bc 5
gall cruiser 4
amarr cruiser 3
caldari cruiser 5
mini cruiser 4
you will get
gall bc 4
amarr bc 3
caldari bc 5
mini bc 4
that would be a fair way to do it but giving us all 5 for bc 5 would be great but that would defeat the point of changing in the first place
How on earth would that be fair? If I spent 36 days training it from level 1 to 5 I think I should be compensated.
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:58:00 -
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Rivur'Tam wrote:i really don't thiunk they will give you all bc lv5 if you only have the 1 trained
i think it will be based on your cruiser skill
ie if you have bc 5
gall cruiser 4 amarr cruiser 3 caldari cruiser 5 mini cruiser 4
you will get
gall bc 4 amarr bc 3 caldari bc 5 mini bc 4
that would be a fair way to do it but giving us all 5 for bc 5 would be great but that would defeat the point of changing in the first place If they did it that way they would be removing bonuses people already trained for. |
Maria Yumeno
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:59:00 -
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Are they only changing the BC and Destroyer skills?
Or will there be upcoming racial command ship skill books and such? |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:08:00 -
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Maria Yumeno wrote:Are they only changing the BC and Destroyer skills?
Or will there be upcoming racial command ship skill books and such? They haven't said anything, but god, that would suck. If they broke down all the T2 ships into racials it would likely knock me up into the next clone bracket. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:46:00 -
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Rivur'Tam wrote:i really don't thiunk they will give you all bc lv5 if you only have the 1 trained
i think it will be based on your cruiser skill
ie if you have bc 5
gall cruiser 4
amarr cruiser 3
caldari cruiser 5
mini cruiser 4
you will get
gall bc 4
amarr bc 3
caldari bc 5
mini bc 4
that would be a fair way to do it but giving us all 5 for bc 5 would be great but that would defeat the point of changing in the first place
No, it wouldn't be any more fair, nor would it defeat the point of changing stuff. On that last point, seriously, wtf are you talking about? What do you think the point is (because apparently it's something strange)?
This is a situation where you can't have a solution that will make everyone happy. However you spin it, someone loses out on something except perhaps those who have all cruisers to 5 and BC 5 (you might argue they lose out because they might have to upgrade their clone to a more expensive one). Some will hurt more than others, it's unavoidable. I think that the way that does the least damage involves giving Racial BC V to those who have BC V right now and the Racial Cruiser III or higher. Same for Destroyers and Frigate skills.
AFAIK there are no ships* that directly require BC V so technically you wouldn't suddenly not be able to fly some ship that you could fly before even if BC V isn't given based on BC and Cruiser skills, but then folks would have to spend literally months training up to use their BC's as well as they could before which kind of sucks. Losing Destroyer V would however matter to dictor pilots as you have to have that skill to get into a T2 destroyer.
* DO NOT say "Command Ships require BC V to fly, I won't be able to fly my CS if I lose BC V" because it's not true. The skill Command Ships requires BC V, the ships themselves do not (nested skills). If you already have that skill injected (let alone trained up) it won't suddenly uninject if you lose BC V, thus rendering you unable to fly your CS. Losing BC V will have an effect on bonuses for command ships since one of them is a "Battlecruisers Skill Bonus", but technically you'd still be able to fly it, just not as effectively. For comparison, you *would* lose your ability to fly dictors if you lose Dessy V since that skill is a direct prereq for the ship. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:39:00 -
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I thought about this before, posted in one of the early threads.
With the launcher, an in game skill check prior to patch would be excellent
I viewed it as follows, first patch day. This will set up a mirror point for a skillcheck. Any skill training after it would only reimburse sp. (so no 1 month ghost training of BC5 past patch day). Ergo, if a destroyer/battlecruiser skill is partially trained or completes training after a set point, you just get sp
second, a check for battlecruiser or destroyer skill
for whichever second applies, it will look at your cruiser/frigate skills. You would get equivelant battlecruiser skill for any faction you have the cruiser/frigate level high enough
last, any prereq skill that changed to higher for a ship (Ie cruiser 4, frig 4 from 3) would get buffed
This would allow anybody to log in to not even notice any changes, aside from your sp would increase accordingly in listing.
After log in, a msg would pop up saying any sp reimbursed as well as to inform to check your clone. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:01:00 -
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[quote=Markus Reese]I thought about this before, posted in one of the early threads.
With the launcher, an in game skill check prior to patch would be excellen
I viewed it as follows, first patch day. This will set up a mirror point for a skillcheck. Any skill training after it would only reimburse sp. (so no 1 month ghost training of BC5 past patch day). Ergo, if a destroyer/battlecruiser skill is partially trained or completes training after a set point, you just get s
second, a check for battlecruiser or destroyer skill, for whichever first applies, it will look at your cruiser/frigate skills. You would get equivelant battlecruiser/destroyer skill for any faction you have the cruiser/frigate level high enoug
last, any prereq skill that changed to higher for a ship (Ie cruiser 4, frig 4 from 3) would get buffe
This would allow anybody to log in to not even notice any changes, aside from your sp would increase accordingly in listing.
After log in, a msg would pop up saying any sp reimbursed as well as to inform to check your clone.[/quote The blog stated that due to the way prerequisites work we wouldn't loose skills already trained even if prereqs were changed to things we do not have if i recall correctly, thus bumping untrained skills to meet the new prerequisites would be unnecessary. It also means one can't game the system by training up a new character to BS lvl 1 in all races now to get all4 BC and Destroyers skills to lvl 4 for free. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:14:00 -
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Hmmm....
So what happens if you have all 4 crusier skills trained to III or higher... Battlecruisers IV...
And Battlecruisers V half trained?
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Sirinda
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
58
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:16:00 -
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So just throwing this in here, but what would speak against enough free SP so you can get all four racial BC skills to the level your old BC skill was trained to? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5840
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:22:00 -
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Maria Yumeno wrote:Are they only changing the BC and Destroyer skills?
Or will there be upcoming racial command ship skill books and such? No racial T2 skills.
They're separating the skills into two distinct categories: racial T1 skills that give you access to hulls, and general T2 skills that give you access to roles (and the variants of the hulls the T1 skills give you).
Sirinda wrote:So just throwing this in here, but what would speak against enough free SP so you can get all four racial BC skills to the level your old BC skill was trained to? The fact that you don't necessarily need to spend them on the BC skills, and thus can suddenly make a huge jump in your ability to do something completely unrelated. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Mortuus Adamo
Wipe Corp.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:23:00 -
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I don't think it will require cruiser 3 since even if i don't have, for example caldari cruiser 3 you could get to a drake just having cruiser 3 and that drake will benefit from your bc 5 even if 3 days ago i couldnt use it. So if you have bc 5 you should have all 4 bc races to 5 and if you don't have cruiser, then you won't be able to use it until you lvl it up to 3. That or giving us 4xbc 5 skillpoints.
Another thing is that Strategic cruisers are right now per race. If you look those charts the first one ( stating the way things work right now ) have a red arrow on strategic cruisers, but it doesn't on the new ones.
Assault Ships, Hacs, and quite a lot of other ship skills that are not "in the lane of training, frigate > destroyer > cruiser > battlecruiser > battleship > capitals" only have 1 skill per race. And Scruisers are like those ones, maybe they planning to change it so you just have 1 Scruiser skill. It would be nice. |
Justice Comes
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:36:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V.
Well some clarification from CCP would be nice. That's potentially a lot of training to stop our current plans for, and I'll do it if I'm going to lose out on something good. But yeah... confirmation :) |
Alayna Le'line
Battery Acid Skinny Dippers
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:46:00 -
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Justice Comes wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V. Well some clarification from CCP would be nice. That's potentially a lot of training to stop our current plans for, and I'll do it if I'm going to lose out on something good. But yeah... confirmation :)
Agreed, started training all this now. But I'd seriously prefer spending the time on other stuff. Alas the potential drawback of not doing it is a bit too daunting for a pretty new toon... |
Keen Fallsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:49:00 -
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adopt wrote:Has CCP got a solid plan for what players will be reimbursed with? I personally would prefer Unallocated SP as some of my characters are not cross trained and have Battlecruisers 5, and I do not want to ruin their skillsheets with 2-3 racial BC that I will not be using.
Ohhh. You "personally would prefer" Ohhh BUT they will not give you back skill points !!! ahahaha ! Happy :) ? Next time think if you will be want to skill something useless :)
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Keen Fallsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:49:00 -
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Alayna Le'line wrote:Justice Comes wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V. Well some clarification from CCP would be nice. That's potentially a lot of training to stop our current plans for, and I'll do it if I'm going to lose out on something good. But yeah... confirmation :) Agreed, started training all this now. But I'd seriously prefer spending the time on other stuff. Alas the potential drawback of not doing it is a bit too daunting for a pretty new toon...
Ohhh that's a shame :) |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
67
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:54:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:Hmmm....
So what happens if you have all 4 crusier skills trained to III or higher... Battlecruisers IV...
And Battlecruisers V half trained?
Spy
Well, under what I suggested, you would only get the sp reimbursed for the partial training. Hopefully CCP will announce how it will work well in advance of the actual happening so people don't get caught unaware. But essentially, right now you only need cruiser 3 for battlecruisers or is it cruiser 4? Right now I am posting remotely so cannot get into check skill prereqs and my brain isn't quite remembering the battlecruiser prerequisites.
Anyways a check would occur, and if you have battlecruiser and all cruisers, you would have the min lvl 4 cruiser after since it is a prereq, and all battlecruisers trained to lvl 4.
Now If my other half of the brain is correct and battlecruisers need the cruiser IV, and you only have cruiser 3, then as such, you currently cannot fly any of the battlecruisers, then only a battlecruiser skill SP reimbursment would happen. (again, no access to the actual prereq lists right now to remember training). I assume majority of the people with battlecruiser skill can actually use the ships. So they would still be able to. If you cannot use the ships, then you are not at a direct loss, you have all sp trained, you just don't have access to ships you never did in the first place. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
41
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Posted - 2012.03.29 19:00:00 -
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Justice Comes wrote:Well some clarification from CCP would be nice. That's potentially a lot of training to stop our current plans for, and I'll do it if I'm going to lose out on something good. But yeah... confirmation :) Here's the threadnought. Keep clicking on the blue "Dev" tag to cycle through dev posts. It is my understanding that "if you can fly it now you can fly it after the change". That means you have to have the skill to fly it in order to get the skills.
Personally, seeing their progression of Frigate IV -> Destroyer IV -> Cruiser IV -> Battlecruiser IV (basically get the previous skill to IV before you can train the next one), I would train all to IV if possible and then train BCs and Dessies to V .
(thankfully, I personally am already re-speced for ships and guns.) "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Rivur'Tam
the united Negative Ten.
24
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:19:00 -
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Ajita al Tchar wrote:Rivur'Tam wrote:i really don't thiunk they will give you all bc lv5 if you only have the 1 trained
i think it will be based on your cruiser skill
ie if you have bc 5
gall cruiser 4
amarr cruiser 3
caldari cruiser 5
mini cruiser 4
you will get
gall bc 4
amarr bc 3
caldari bc 5
mini bc 4
that would be a fair way to do it but giving us all 5 for bc 5 would be great but that would defeat the point of changing in the first place No, it wouldn't be any more fair, nor would it defeat the point of changing stuff. On that last point, seriously, wtf are you talking about? What do you think the point is (because apparently it's something strange)? This is a situation where you can't have a solution that will make everyone happy. However you spin it, someone loses out on something except perhaps those who have all cruisers to 5 and BC 5 (you might argue they lose out because they might have to upgrade their clone to a more expensive one). Some will hurt more than others, it's unavoidable. I think that the way that does the least damage involves giving Racial BC V to those who have BC V right now and the Racial Cruiser III or higher. Same for Destroyers and Frigate skills. AFAIK there are no ships* that directly require BC V so technically you wouldn't suddenly not be able to fly some ship that you could fly before even if BC V isn't given based on BC and Cruiser skills, but then folks would have to spend literally months training up to use their BC's as well as they could before which kind of sucks. Losing Destroyer V would however matter to dictor pilots as you have to have that skill to get into a T2 destroyer. * DO NOT say "Command Ships require BC V to fly, I won't be able to fly my CS if I lose BC V" because it's not true. The skill Command Ships requires BC V, the ships themselves do not (nested skills). If you already have that skill injected (let alone trained up) it won't suddenly uninject if you lose BC V, thus rendering you unable to fly your CS. Losing BC V will have an effect on bonuses for command ships since one of them is a "Battlecruisers Skill Bonus", but technically you'd still be able to fly it, just not as effectively. For comparison, you *would* lose your ability to fly dictors if you lose Dessy V since that skill is a direct prereq for the ship.
have you read what you wrote ??? you splicing hairs with what you said
and of course its not fair to do this at all but the suggestion i made is the only fair way do it that way and nobody loses out and people will gain
my grammer etc is not the best so maybe some of you miss read it what i wrote but i stand by what i said doing it any other way and we will be losing out
ccp should of gave us advanced warning about what the changes will be, they said they don't mind being generous what i'm suggesting is and its fair. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:25:00 -
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adopt wrote:Has CCP got a solid plan for what players will be reimbursed with? I personally would prefer Unallocated SP as some of my characters are not cross trained and have Battlecruisers 5, and I do not want to ruin their skillsheets with 2-3 racial BC that I will not be using.
whats the link to the announcement? Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5917
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:35:00 -
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Ajita al Tchar wrote:* DO NOT say "Command Ships require BC V to fly, I won't be able to fly my CS if I lose BC V" because it's not true. The skill Command Ships requires BC V, the ships themselves do not (nested skills). Not now, no, but after the change they will, so yes, losing BC V will mean that you will no longer be able to fly the command ships.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:46:00 -
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I asked about this because of an alt I have training..
It has trained BCV, but has NO cruiser skills, and only the entry level Racial Frigate skills.. I said that the end goal was a Combat toon that can use all 4 races BC's, and if I need to take any additional steps to ensure I get that [ like train Cruiser IV for all 4 races.. ].
I was told that as it stands now, I have nothing to worry about.
The jist was, the easiest, fairest, and least controversial way is just to give people all 4 racial skills at the same level of the current skill. Sure there are the onesoffs like the OP who for some reason care about what skills they have that they DIDN'T train for.. but for the majority, we just want to be at the same place we were before it.
My alt can't fly any BC's now, and won't be able too after, but still still end up with all 4 racial skills so when I train it up I will be able too.
I'm not positive, I didn't ask, but I assume their thinking is make the skills for the Racial BC skill, the same as the current skills needed for it.. that is just Spaceship Command IV.. And make the Cruiser skill, like it is now, on the Ship prerequisites, rather than on the skills.
Of course, all that being said, everything is subject to change.. so what I hear and am passing on isn't the holy grail.. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
229
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:52:00 -
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I have all cruiser skills at 5 and BC at 5. I feel safe.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5918
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:05:00 -
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Sentinel Smith wrote:It has trained BCV, but has NO cruiser skills, and only the entry level Racial Frigate skills.. I said that the end goal was a Combat toon that can use all 4 races BC's, and if I need to take any additional steps to ensure I get that [ like train Cruiser IV for all 4 races.. ].
I was told that as it stands now, I have nothing to worry about. If you have no cruiser skills, meaning your alt cannot fly any BC, then you will most likely not be able to fly them after the change either. That's something you probably should worry about.
If they're going by the GÇ£if you can fly it now, you can fly it laterGÇ¥ principle, you'll need to get all those racial cruiser skills up to III before the patch happens. There is nothing to suggest that they will give you that cruiser skill if you don't have it already, nor is there anything to suggest that they'll give you ships you can't already fly. You will not need to get the fourth cruiser level, since you don't need it now to fly BCs, nor will it be needed to fly them after the change.
As for the actual prereq list, it'll go from the current:
[racial] Cruiser III -á-á-á-á-á[racial] Frigate IV Battlecruisers [whatever] -á-á-á-á-áSpaceship Command IV
GǪto:
[racial] Battlecruiser [whatever] -á-á-á-á-á[racial] Cruiser IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á[racial] Frigate IV -á-á-á-á-áSpaceship Command IV
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Ai Shun
585
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:17:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.
I'd expect there to be a caveat in terms of support skills. E.g. if you have Caldari Cruiser III+ and Battlecruisers; but none of the other Cruiser skills you will only get Caldari Battlecruiser and not the others as well as you can't fly them anyway. |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:If you have no cruiser skills, meaning your alt cannot fly any BC, then you will most likely not be able to fly them after the change either. That's something you probably should worry about.
You missunderstood my post.. I never said I'll be able to fly them. I simply said that I'll get the racial skill, and will be able to fly them WHEN I train up Cruiser IV. |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:26:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:THE L0CK wrote:the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers. I'd expect there to be a caveat in terms of support skills. E.g. if you have Caldari Cruiser III+ and Battlecruisers; but none of the other Cruiser skills you will only get Caldari Battlecruiser and not the others as well as you can't fly them anyway. How would that be fair ?
Currently the requirement to train BC is just Spaceship Command IV.. Which means after a few hrs, anyone can start it. You'll just make their training dissapear, despite not having the cruiser skill ?
What if I trained BC, and had Gal Cruiser IV, but was working on Caldari Cruiser IV, so I could use the BC for a Drake ? That person is SOL too ?
There are so many thousands of little ways that it's not worth overthinking.. GM's would be flooded with petitions saying I want by BC skill for race X and not Y, or for A and B noy X and Y.. and so forth.
Just turning BC skill into 4 racial skills is by far the easiest and fairest way to go.
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Ai Shun
585
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:32:00 -
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Sentinel Smith wrote:Currently the requirement to train BC is just Spaceship Command IV..
True, I'd forgotten - just had to double check in EVElopedia. Ignore my post, please - it was made of dumb. |
Alyssa Cristole
EVE University Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:37:00 -
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Sentinel Smith wrote:Tippia wrote:If you have no cruiser skills, meaning your alt cannot fly any BC, then you will most likely not be able to fly them after the change either. That's something you probably should worry about. You missunderstood my post.. I never said I'll be able to fly them. I simply said that I'll get the racial skill, and will be able to fly them WHEN I train up Cruiser IV.
Just because you take the cheep way out to try and f*ck the system over just to get free skill points doesn't mean you should get them. My opinion is your plan to screw the system total BS and I hope CCP does not give anyone a Racial BC skill unless they have the current races Cruiser III. If you can't fly it at the time of the patch, why should you get it for free?
Here is my point: You can't fly a BC without its racial Cruiser III. There are plenty of other ships in Eve that have secondary and tertiary skill requirements. If you don't meet those requirements you can't fly those ships. You don't meet the requirement for flying BS's right now, there is no reason you should get those skill points.
CCP has said they are changing the Dest and BC skills to match up with the rest of the racial ship skills in game. Does a Thorax SHIP require Cruiser III and Frigate III to fly? No it requires Cruiser III. The Cruiser skill requires Frigate IV, the ship does not require any ship type in the class before it unlike BC's which were different because there was not a racial skill to train. That was the check/balance which is NO LONGER needed and is most likely going to be removed in this patch as part of the rebalancing. Hence, if they DO give you the racial BC skill by just having BC V [but NOT having Cruisers trained to III] you WILL be able to fly BC's of all four races w/o having to touch the Cruiser skill!
You have said you already have BC and Dest's to V. You now have a MONTH to train Cruisers to level III, something that any character in game no matter what their ability map, implants or current skills could do in that time period. If you dont want to "waste" the time doing so, I hope you don't get s*it for those races you don't have Cruiser III. You have no excuse at this point not training them other then "you can't be bothered right now". Guess what? They shouldn't be bothered to give you those races BC who you cant fly by patch date.
As a new player I had a choice, do it the correct way, the way the game was meant to be played, which is train Cruiser III in all the races, or I could do what you did and f*ck the system by just getting both Destroyers and Battlecruisers to V. I went the honest way, and will have all four racial Cruisers III, BC V, but Destroyers only at IV, 75% to level V by April 22. I can fly all races BC's right now, because I took the time to train those skills instead of trying to f*ck the system and bagel free skill points out of CCP that I don't deserve.
I hope that they go the route of "cheaters never win" and don't give you those racial BC skill levels that don't have Cruiser skill to support them, but this is Eve and the game celebrates people who break the system instead of punishing them, so my guess is you will get your free racial BC skill points for bageling the system. I am sure I will see you post patch flying a BC that pre-patch you were not able to fly. F*ucking BS but that's the way it goes. Get f*cked being honest, not trying to cheat, break the game; circumvent the system, cheat, and get rewarded with something you don't deserve.
Ai Shun wrote:[quote=Sentinel Smith]Currently the requirement to train BC is just Spaceship Command IV..
BC only requires Spaceship Command IV because the ships themselves have requirements, like Racial Cruiser III. This is done differently with Dest and BC's because those skills do not have racial breakdowns like every other type of ship in Eve. The whole point of this skill change is to make Dest and BC's like every other ship skill. They have already said that to train the SKILL Destroyer it will require Race Frigate IV after the skill change and the SKILL BC's will require Race Cruiser IV. Part of the rebalancing in theory will remove the cruiser requirements from BC ships as that will now be redundant. However, people who expect that they are only training BC/Dest to V and ignoring the other ship requirements like Cruiser basically think they are now going to be able to fly ships they could not pre-patch after the patch, which I hope is NOT the case. |
Argaral
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:53:00 -
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I pose this question to you internet gods? I realised a week or so back that this change would be somewhat game breaking. Therefore I've finished destroyers V working on BC V. Now if the skill point change goes through and I haven't finished training BC V, what happens? Will my skill training be copied over several of the new skills to an equal percentage?
There's a few questions CCP would have to answer if they simply broke the skill and gave you 4 skills instead. Because this way, I'm effectively getting a 4x skill training modifier. |
Alyssa Cristole
EVE University Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2012.04.23 04:02:00 -
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Argaral wrote:I pose this question to you internet gods? I realised a week or so back that this change would be somewhat game breaking. Therefore I've finished destroyers V working on BC V. Now if the skill point change goes through and I haven't finished training BC V, what happens? Will my skill training be copied over several of the new skills to an equal percentage?
There's a few questions CCP would have to answer if they simply broke the skill and gave you 4 skills instead. Because this way, I'm effectively getting a 4x skill training modifier.
There is still so much they need to answer. They have not said anything about half way through a skill training yet. All that HAS been said is that "If you can fly it before, you can fly it after" and there was two options for skill reimbursement they were looking into, but could not rule out something entirely different too. The two options were A) Your current generic Dest/BC level = Race Dest/BC level Post Patch or B) Same thing as "A" but if you don't have the current BC ship pre-req's [Race Cruiser III] you will not get that races BC skill for free.
I have already stated my opinion on the matter above but to answer your question, nothing else but what I just said above which is in italics has been confirmed. That's all. I have scoured the interwebz, read every topic on this forum covering this subject matter, read every dev blog and forum post, and that's all they have confirmed so far.
With less then a month left, I too wish there was more information. Unfortunately, that's all we have. It would be nice if they also gave us an ability remap after this too being that a lot of people burned the ones they had to plan on this skill change. |
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non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
765
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Posted - 2012.04.23 05:55:00 -
[61] - Quote
This here?
The only thing I can see that they may not have talked about, is if you've trained half way to bc lvl 5. It'd be interesting to see how much more above the racial bc lvl 4 they'll give you in SP. |
Signal11th
460
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:39:00 -
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Personally if I have bothered taking the extra time to train destroyers 5/ Battlecruisers 5 I should expect to get after any change the same equivalant skills after, if this means I get an extra 500,000 skill points so be it, I see this as reward for spending the extra 30 days training both to lvl 5.
I can't see what the fuss is about, it's a bit of a no brainer, you have dessie lvl 4 or bc lvl 5 you get lvl 4 in all the relevant dessie/bc's,that way everyone is the same and the new guys know no different.
If you haven't got these skills well then tough it's not like you haven't been given enough notice to get them done.
You should be able to fly at the "same level" what you could fly before, not just be able to fly them. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
266
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:44:00 -
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Argaral wrote:I pose this question to you internet gods? I realised a week or so back that this change would be somewhat game breaking. Therefore I've finished destroyers V working on BC V. Now if the skill point change goes through and I haven't finished training BC V, what happens? Will my skill training be copied over several of the new skills to an equal percentage?
There's a few questions CCP would have to answer if they simply broke the skill and gave you 4 skills instead. Because this way, I'm effectively getting a 4x skill training modifier.
From what they've said so far, if you're training BC V atm you should have plenty of time to finish BC V. you'll probably also have enough time to finish all racial cruisers to III if you've not done so already. As long as they don't move the goal posts, but there's no sign of that yet. Not that we know exactly where the goal posts are, as they've not finalised anything yet. |
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