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stupid monkey
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:23:00 -
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lolz - let the jita burn begin |
Tahna Rouspel
BWE Special Forces Ascendance.
87
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:24:00 -
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Mittani should get the chance to transfer his votes. |
REDBIERD
Space Gear Productions
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:25:00 -
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Quote:Alex's words at the alliance panel were regrettable, and it is understandable for CCP to be especially sensitive to possible PR problems with Dust 514 close to release. I, like many others, was troubled by his comments. This firestorm needed to be dealt with, in one way or another.
To his credit, Alex, on his own volition, made a sincere public and private apology, both to EVE players as a whole and to the victim. Additionally, he made restitution to the victim and stepped down from the Chairman position, forfeiting his coveted position as the face of the CSM. Having met Alex several times out of the game, these apologies rang true to me, and his sincerity and candor are admirable.
With these actions, the firestorm was abated, and with a little time, the controversy would have died out, as it should have. We all have made mistakes before, but most realize that it is how we handle those mistakes that is important, and Alex owned up completely to his lapse in judgement. You'll notice that he made no excuses for his inebriation (from alcohol provided by CCP), and did not ask CCP to share the blame (even though the content of his presentation- including the unfortunate slide which prompted this controversy - was vetted by CCP).
This story could have ended with Alex's sincere apology, and would have faded with the next news cycle from the gaming press. Instead, CCP has taken the last, dying embers from this firestorm, and tossed gasoline on them. If they wanted this story to not gain any more traction in the gaming press, banning The Mittani in game for Alex's verbal misteps was exactly the wrong course of action to take. Moreover, while I am sure they acted with the best of intentions, by lumping more punishments on to those that Alex undertook voluntarily, the outcome seems not only excessive, but vindictive.
I am disappointed and saddened by CCP's response to the issue, and I hope that they will take a step back and reconsider the implications and intent of their actions.
Yeah but CCP is a business. Did you really expect them to take Alex's apology and Chairman resignation as "enough" ? This incident -may-or-may not- have faded from the gaming press without further action from CCP, but do you think the several hundred employees of CCP would be happy risking their own livelihood with that gamble ?
No, CCP did the right thing and took the aggressive and affirmative action. In this day and age of videogame controversy, the collective eye of the gaming world is gazing upon CCP, evaluating their actions, and you would be very naive or very optimistic to think otherwise.
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Flette
Rosen Association
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:26:00 -
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Viktor Villiance wrote:Flette wrote:
Well, you didn't have a point really, All I saw was "wah, CCP is mean" Put bluntly, they can change his name anytime they want without any shitstorm or even murmur as a result of a cyber-bullying action, or just plain bullyiing action.
And, oh, the 11 billion isk? That wasn't given to him by CCP...
lol
BTW, the only "The WIz" i see, looks like he hasn't logged in in a while. I could be wrong though. I don't think it's too far out to assume they have changed the character's name, and slipped in another character with the previous name to catch those who might continue this bullying trend. That is speculation however..
Oh, my bad. You're a publord and need education, badly. His name isn't "the wiz", but that's okay. They haven't changed his name and he was recently blown up in game actually. Your speculation is like your knowledge, I see. But hey, be more buttmad at goons/mittani, whatever. Doesn't mean that its fair for CCP to literally beg a bunch of self-righteous, "wronged" nerds to grief him into oblivion by taking down a figurehead.
Alright, I haven't looked up his name. I went by your, and previous posts. Nevertheless, I think it's pretty easy for CCP to shield this individual if the individual wants it with no repurcussions at all. Also, I'm not buttmad or whatever.
True, I do think Mittani has all done us a big disservice by making Eve look bad, by making Eve players look bad, and by pushing CCP into a position where they're likely to have to PCify Eve somewhat. So, yeah, I do think that kinda sucks.
I don't have anything against you personally. So I apologize for my tone. I just don't see CCP as the bad guy here, more of the victim. The most I can stretch is for CCP being so stupid as to give someone like the Mittani a forum to use to bring us all down.
Thw whole thing really sucks, and at least there, I can agree with you. |
Flette
Rosen Association
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:32:00 -
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Meno Theaetetus wrote:The real issue here has little to do with cyber bullying, anyone that genuinely believes that Mittens wanted someone to kill themselves is either socially backwards or are lying to promote their own agenda.
Just for the record, the issue of cyber-bullying is very much the issue here, and it has nothing to do with what he actually wanted. It has everything to do with how he acted, and the risks involved.
As a side note I will point out a mildly related (though much more serious) issue that recently happened here in the US. Two students were living together in a dorm room, both males. One of the students suspected the other of being gay, and set up a webcam to secretly record his roomate. With damning footage in hand, this person posted the video to the internet, and the other rommate did, in fact, commit suicide as a result. I don't think the roommate who made the video wanted the other person to commit suicide, but that was the result.
Actions matter more than intentions. |
Rasz Lin
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:38:00 -
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Thank you CCP |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:38:00 -
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This was a good decision CCP. The right thing to do.
I applaud the principle and the action behind it. Well done.
Minister of Death Amarr Ministry of War |
LtTysander
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:40:00 -
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Burn it all SORCHED EARTH |
Isky McBuilder
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:42:00 -
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Yeah all you people bitching that this is no big deal and it is said everyday in various online games are obviously too short sighted to see this from the perspective of CCP as a company.
They are in a PR sense tied to the chairman of CSM. When he is wearing that hat at an official CCP event being broadcast around the world, CCP has no choice but to cover their asses and cut affiliation.
Eve is harsh, but so is reality. You f*&%k up big time, you pay for it. |
Valk Enaka
The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:43:00 -
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Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.
You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election? |
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Rokujochi
Duragon Pioneer Group Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:44:00 -
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I surely hope that CCP in its infinite wisdom has thoroughly thought out the possible repercussions of this extremely poor decision.
I sure hope that being forced to resign from CSM6, forfeit his position on CSM7 and being banned from the game for 30 days doesn't cause poor Mittani to fall into a deep depression and contemplate suicide. He LIVES for playing EvE, leading his alliance and being chair of the CSM, the loss of these combined with his clear history of alcohol abuse have me fearing for his safety.
PLEASE CCP FREE MITTANI! FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI FREE MITTANI |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:45:00 -
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Valk Enaka wrote:Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.
You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election?
It is truly odd that you blame CCP for this, and not mittenz.
Who did the wrong thing here? CCP or mittenz? Think about it and drop the hysterics.
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Diamonica Norya
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:47:00 -
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Minister of Death wrote:Valk Enaka wrote:Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.
You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election? It is truly odd that you blame CCP for this, and not mittenz. Who did the wrong thing here? CCP or mittenz? Think about it and drop the hysterics.
goons and pets can't think
Edit: Perfect example below, now they think CCP poisoned the drink and manipulated The Mittani The Great
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stupid monkey
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:47:00 -
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Minister of Death wrote:Valk Enaka wrote:Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.
You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election? It is truly odd that you blame CCP for this, and not mittenz. Who did the wrong thing here? CCP or mittenz? Think about it and drop the hysterics.
cept i've been told ccp provided the liquor |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:50:00 -
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Rokujochi wrote:I surely hope that CCP in its infinite wisdom has thoroughly thought out the possible repercussions of this extremely poor decision.
I sure hope that being forced to resign from CSM6, forfeit his position on CSM7 and being banned from the game for 30 days doesn't cause poor Mittani to fall into a deep depression and contemplate suicide. He LIVES for playing EvE, leading his alliance and being chair of the CSM, the loss of these combined with his clear history of alcohol abuse have me fearing for his safety.
PLEASE CCP FREE MITTANI!
http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
he doesnt sound ...depressed
actually he sounds like a priest trying to tame a horde of religious maniacs with promisses how bright the future will be CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM |
sakurako
Eternal Darkness. G00DFELLAS
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:50:00 -
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Rokujochi wrote:I surely hope that CCP in its infinite wisdom has thoroughly thought out the possible repercussions of this extremely poor decision.
I sure hope that being forced to resign from CSM6, forfeit his position on CSM7 and being banned from the game for 30 days doesn't cause poor Mittani to fall into a deep depression and contemplate suicide. He LIVES for playing EvE, leading his alliance and being chair of the CSM, the loss of these combined with his clear history of alcohol abuse have me fearing for his safety.
PLEASE CCP FREE MITTANI!
apart from he stated in the state of the goonion , i'm kinda famous for not logging into eve. |
sakurako
Eternal Darkness. G00DFELLAS
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:51:00 -
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stupid monkey wrote:Minister of Death wrote:Valk Enaka wrote:Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.
You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election? It is truly odd that you blame CCP for this, and not mittenz. Who did the wrong thing here? CCP or mittenz? Think about it and drop the hysterics. cept i've been told ccp provided the liquor
no one forced him to drink it, no one force him to say what he did. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
35
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:54:00 -
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stupid monkey wrote:Minister of Death wrote:Valk Enaka wrote:Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.
You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election? It is truly odd that you blame CCP for this, and not mittenz. Who did the wrong thing here? CCP or mittenz? Think about it and drop the hysterics. cept i've been told ccp provided the liquor
hahahaha
when you think youve heard it all someone tops it
CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:54:00 -
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Minister of Death wrote:Valk Enaka wrote:Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.
You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election? It is truly odd that you blame CCP for this, and not mittenz. Who did the wrong thing here? CCP or mittenz? Think about it and drop the hysterics.
Both. If someone breaks the law, and the authorities overreact and mete out a punishment out of proportion with the crime, then both are wrong. |
Lamperouge Kasenumi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:54:00 -
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CCP didn't take out those 10000 votes, The Mittani did. The terms for being a member of the CSM were clean and clear and The Mittani broke them.
Instead of blaming CCP, you should be blaming The Mittani for putting them into that position. |
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Atrum Veneficus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:56:00 -
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I bring you the official Goonswarm Federation response to CCP throwing the Mittani under the bus.
http://i.imgur.com/J42oU.gif
Enjoy. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:56:00 -
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Lamperouge Kasenumi wrote:CCP didn't take out those 10000 votes, The Mittani did. The terms for being a member of the CSM were clean and clear and The Mittani broke them.
Instead of blaming CCP, you should be blaming The Mittani for putting them into that position.
thank you for your "valuable" insights NPC alt "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Urziel99
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:56:00 -
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Jita will surely burn.
Maybe the CFC can demonstrate to the pubbies what the 6VDT HellCamp was like for BOB? |
ShatIn FACE
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:56:00 -
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Alexia Canada
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:58:00 -
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Shigsy wrote:HEH Eggs in one basket goons
Hey we still got Dovi |
Diamonica Norya
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:58:00 -
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Bacchanalian wrote:Minister of Death wrote:Valk Enaka wrote:Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.
You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election? It is truly odd that you blame CCP for this, and not mittenz. Who did the wrong thing here? CCP or mittenz? Think about it and drop the hysterics. Both. If someone breaks the law, and the authorities overreact and mete out a punishment out of proportion with the crime, then both are wrong.
how is a temp ban for 30 days + barred from CSM for the next 13 or so months "over react" and "out of proportion"? |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:58:00 -
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This post best post. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
35
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:00:00 -
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Urziel99 wrote:Jita will surely burn.
Maybe the CFC can demonstrate to the pubbies what the 6VDT HellCamp was like for BOB?
i have the strong feeling that there is no CONCORD in fountain
CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:01:00 -
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I love how pubbies think that NPC posting alts are a license to post nonsense "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:01:00 -
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Lt Pizi wrote:Urziel99 wrote:Jita will surely burn.
Maybe the CFC can demonstrate to the pubbies what the 6VDT HellCamp was like for BOB? i have the strong feeling that there is no CONCORD in fountain
I have the strong feeling that CONCORD isn't going to stop tornadoes from instapopping freighters "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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