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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:48:00 -
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Care Bear King wrote:A Mittani-less CSM7 does not represent the players.
May as well scrap it and wait for CSM8. Then why did The Mittani not represent the players a bit better at the unscripted Q&A session where he asked other players to harass a player (Not character) so he would commit suicide? |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
80
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:48:00 -
[962] - Quote
It's funny that so many people are upset for CCP following their own policies. HE did something that broke the EULA/TOS and HE had to pay. He should feel lucky that he was only banned for 30 days, and not a lifetime ban. Don't blame CCP for HIS actions, HE did it himself. Blame HIM. It's HIS own fault.
I actually believe what happened is a good thing because it shows that CCP isn't playing favorites. They knew the GOONs would be upset, but went ahead anyway. I applaud CCP for being steadfast on their policies, and don't make exceptions for anyone.
( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Rhaile Vhindiscar
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:50:00 -
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Disband the sham CSM! Day 2 of the real CSM in exile! Viva la Revolution! |
lol fourm troll
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:57:00 -
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Goons you owe everyone a taco!!!!!!!!!! |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:00:00 -
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SolusLunes wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I love it this is all absolutely hilarious. As if any of theis means anything of importance in the long run. Melodramatic drivel from basement dwelling fools:
"Jita is gonna Burn"
"The beginning of the end of EVE"
"Bla bla bla"
You couldn't make this **** up....
Hilarious.... BOLD TEXT GUYS, BOLD TEXT, WE GOT A BADASS OVER HERE No, my eyesight is bad. It helps me read my own posts...
And it's still all melodramatic crap... |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
82
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:01:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:Katrina Bekers wrote:Nice that all most of the comments cheering up the CCP move come from characters in NPC corps.
Where are your balls, gentlemen?
Are you one of those rare ppl who still hold e-honor in high regards? No. That's why I post with my main.
And you? This is your main?
<< THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Kmelx
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
31
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:01:00 -
[967] - Quote
I know what this thread needs - moar goon/goonpet whining
I think he deserved some sort of sanction for his actions, most reasonable people recognise that he crossed a line. |
Gideon Tyler
EVE University Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:17:00 -
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I applaud CCP for taking an affirmative, responsible and mature approach to resolving this matter. No one is above reproach, and no one persons contributions are so great as to warrant a pass for this sort of drunken, boorish, and offensive behavior
I have heard some members of the CSM not supporting this decision, and I am likewise disappointed, as you guys do not get it. Fanfest is a chance for CCP to speak about upcoming products and releases, show an appreciation for their players, and to celebrate what has already been achieved. This immature and disgusting episode robbed us all and CCP of that opportunity
As a result, many players have unsubscribed in their initial outrage, and the press was full of reports not of the upcoming release of Dust 514 and the like, but rather how once again EVE is not a good place to game, and CCP tacitly endorses griefing and bullying of the worst sort
Given that, and the extreme level of outrage over this event from many, many people in the player base, who do not see this incident as a trifle, there was not choice but to ban The Mittani for 30 days and have him tender his resignation. None of us knows whether The Mittani resigned completely of his own volition or under direction from CCP, but either way the result is the same The Mittani had to go.
To do otherwise on the part of CCP would have been a terrible business decision, and would have shown nothing but indifference the the legitimate outrage many people who play this game and financially support the continuation of EVE. Do not blame CCP but rather blame the Mittani and his own irresponsible behavior. None of us asked him to act the fool on the international stage. The Mittani did that all by himself. Now he has answered for it |
Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:22:00 -
[969] - Quote
Wow. The sheer amount of goon tears in this thread is fairly hilarious. Amazing how they love to call everyone a 'crybaby pubbie' but their candidate screws up, and they blame CCP? What?
Mittani screwed up, big time, in a very public manner. He wants to play at being a politician, it goes both ways. Consequently he was forced to 'take responsibility' for his actions. And everyone knows those 10k votes were a sham anyway. You don't have to pretend anymore.
Curious to see who the new chairman will be, and how that will be decided. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1773
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:22:00 -
[970] - Quote
Care Bear King wrote:A Mittani-less CSM7 does not represent the players.
May as well scrap it and wait for CSM8.
The problem is a Mittani-led CSM6 didn't represent "the players" either. It represented a selection of nullsec voting blocs interests without really caring about the wider issues in the game. CSM6 was noteworthy for removing transparency and accountability from the CSM process (no more internal meeting minutes) for cloaking decision making behind committee head (we couldn't see who believed what) and for initially schmoozing with the MT devs when they should have been protesting Incarna.
Lets remember Mittani is infamous for getting drunk with CCP Monocle and telling him that the players of Eve would be cool with a "gold scorpion" purchased entirely with Aurum and no other input.
First formal summit CSM came home from Iceland with nothing but a badly written set of formal minutes (that took MONTHS to agree) and did nothing to answer player fears about Incarna whatsoever and would lead on to the release of possibly the worst "expansion" in Eve Online's history.
Rage happened and it was rage from the player base with the Jita Riots and beginning of the unsub protest.
During the "emergency summit" Mittens appeared on Eve TV with CCP thousand dollar jeans in a joint address assuring people it was all sorted and everyone was happy now. He came back from the summit with a Nevil Chamberlain-esq "peace in our time" paper that did absolutely NOTHING to mollify the rage and anger of the Eve player base.
Protests continued, threadnaughts continued, unsubs continued.
The only thing that turned the CCP ship around was the public Mea culpa from Hilmar and announcement of the crunch to Crucible and significant restructuring of the company.
Now in this I say to you that Alexander Gianturco as chair provided very POOR leadership and representation of the player base and didn't at any time have a full grasp of precisely what people were protesting about.
And of course then we had the christmas minutes which were another fiasco. Released late and indistinct, with the CSM being refered to as "the csm" (not individual reps) and being on record as anonymously saying some very stupid things about game development and priority.
Wormholes -what are they? FW -is for noobs isn't it? Hisec -lol carebears?
There was a player backlash and some of the rest of the CSM broke ranks with Gianturco and announced they had personally been "for" or "against" certain things to assure people they were not part of the collective.
What did Gianturco achieve?
I think his legacy is in removing transparency and accountability from the CSM and turning into a skype channel social club for nullsec alliance leaders to get their jollies from drinking in Iceland. He will be remembered as the guy who gave CCP Monocle the nod on MT delivery of spaceships, the guy that appeared with CCP thousand dollar jeans and said "crisis what crisis" and the guy that tried to run CSM like the goonswarm executive division pulling strings and puppet-mastering the other reps and announcing all decisions in an eery (but unbelievable) unity.
And finally. He'll be forever remembered as the unacceptable face of cyber-bullying and player harrassment in Eve Online in a role that puts him up there with Aris Bakhtanians as a villain then gaming media can get behind condemning. His drunken antics in calling a player to be harrassed to suicide with a wizards hat and cheesy smile will never be forgotten.
Nor will his 11th hour attempt to cling onto power by having his sychophants on the CSM forge a shoddy compromise with CCP where he kept his position despite clear breach of CSM guidelines and basic Eve code of conduct that would have any other player booted to a ban immediately.
So even when he could have kept some dignity by simply resigning as promised he waited too long and got kicked out proving himself a failure even in choosing the manner of his own demise.
Eve online and the CSM is far the better for this guy leaving the stage.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
50
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:25:00 -
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Kmelx wrote:I think he deserved some sort of sanction for his actions, most reasonable people recognise that he crossed a line.
Everybody agrees on this, especially mittens. This is not the issue of contention.
The problem is that CCP could have done any number of things. They could have removed him from CSM 6, for example, or banned him from fanfest. Instead they went with the thermonuclear knee-jerk option, removed him from CSM 7 and told his voters - a substantial portion of the players who are most invested in the game - to go **** themselves. Perhaps most critically, they did this without bothering to consult the CSM.
This is the old CCP, the CCP that brought us 18 months, incarna, and fearless. And I'm sick of their s***. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1773
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:28:00 -
[972] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Kmelx wrote:I think he deserved some sort of sanction for his actions, most reasonable people recognise that he crossed a line. Everybody agrees on this, especially mittens. This is not the issue of contention. The problem is that CCP could have done any number of things. They could have removed him from CSM 6, for example, or banned him from fanfest. Instead they went with the thermonuclear knee-jerk option, removed him from CSM 7 and told his voters - a substantial portion of the players who are most invested in the game - to go **** themselves. Perhaps most critically, they did this without bothering to consult the CSM. This is the old CCP, the CCP that brought us 18 months, incarna, and fearless. And I'm sick of their s***.
They consulted the CSM, CCP simply disagreed with the CSM's position that it was possible for Alexander Gianturco to continue as a CSM member.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
292
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:34:00 -
[973] - Quote
I understand why CCP had to do this; however it is always sad to see the idiots victorious over common sense and objectivity.
Whatever... |
1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
45
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:35:00 -
[974] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:1Of9 wrote:Thank you ccp.
You did the right thing, altho the CSM rules state that he cannot run for CSM again.
Plz explain why you are allowing him to run again in the future. to pinpoint my claim: http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdfon page 20 it says, and i quote: Quote:
CSM representative conduct
any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
In light of this, ccp please explain why he will be able to run for CSM in the future.
Bump |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1778
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:37:00 -
[975] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:1Of9 wrote:1Of9 wrote:Thank you ccp.
You did the right thing, altho the CSM rules state that he cannot run for CSM again.
Plz explain why you are allowing him to run again in the future. to pinpoint my claim: http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdfon page 20 it says, and i quote: Quote:
CSM representative conduct
any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
In light of this, ccp please explain why he will be able to run for CSM in the future. Bump
He like any other player will be allowed to "apply" to run for CSM. But the CSM admin team will look at his history of warnings and past behaviour before saying yes or no. Knowing what we do of the circumstances of the ban I think we can probably imagine how that application will end up.
(I'd expect its highly unlikely anyone from CCP will answer this question btw because it will stretch too closely to discussing disciplinary proceedures about another player)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Crasniya
Legio Geminatus Gentlemen's Agreement
128
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:41:00 -
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I think Alex's apology was a class act, I really respect him for his actions once he saw the recording. People do stupid stuff when drunk, fact. One of the things very few people can do, is honestly and humbly apologize. I respect it a lot.
That being said, folks need to realize, that once this hit the major gaming websites, it was squarely in CCP PR's hands to prevent a further PR nightmare. Mittani's removal from the CSM had to be done, unfortunately. It would've made the game look very bad if they didn't do that. The month long ban is probably equivalent to a slap on the wrist, which he probably deserves. Players have gotten permanent bans for less, so it was probably somewhat generous.
I will still hail Space King Mittens, and look forward to his explosive return to the game a month from now. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:43:00 -
[977] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:And of course then we had the christmas minutes which were another fiasco. Released late and indistinct, with the CSM being refered to as "the csm" (not individual reps) and being on record as anonymously saying some very stupid things about game development and priority.
Wormholes -what are they? FW -is for noobs isn't it? Hisec -lol carebears?
And the CSM wants us to think they represend ALL the players of EVE?
Not likely all they care about is likeminded individuals, not the 2 week old new player looking for adventure... |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
77
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:44:00 -
[978] - Quote
Is this the thread where karma put its foot so far up The Martinis ass that his nose looks like a Timberland work boot now?
I have been laughing for days over this and it couldnGÇÖt be more poetic. After years of twisting every word said by anyone he disliked so as to ruin their reputation and drive them out of the game, The Martini himself drank his own poisonGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪ
You planned to say what you said, you defended what you said, and continue to believe that you did nothing wrongGǪGǪ..butGǪGǪGǪ you realized the battle was being lost, so you went into full on damage control mode to try and save yourself. Throwing around apologies, isk, resignations, and grand speeches which are all just self-serving acts as you frantically try to underpin your collapsing Gǣspace spyGǥ internet fameGǪ.
Then you realize that, if not redirected quickly, the Goonie mob will turn on you for ******* things up for them. QuickGǪ..to the State of the Goonie! = GǥWe are going to take Tenal once and for all from the evil Raiden!!!!GǥGǪGǪGǪ/Sends all the pissed off CFC pilots out to shoot structures again to keep their minds off your colossal **** upGǪGǪGǪ.
You will survive this only because Goonies won't let you fail since that would make them look bad. In the mean time this beats anything goonies have/will ever do to others or to themselvesGǪGǪGǪGǪ.I will be in Jita as well to celebrate the return of GǣThe MartiniGǥGǪ.. .
CSM representative conduct wrote:
any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
681
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:48:00 -
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Razin wrote:I understand why CCP had to do this; however it is always sad to see the idiots victorious over common sense and objectivity.
Whatever...
I think you missed the mark here a bit.
Objectivity is why he was banned and removed, per the rules.
Subjectivity would've been making an exception to the rules because of who he was or any extenuating circumstances. Here's your sign... |
dr vonVettet
Swedish Aerospace Inc The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:48:00 -
[980] - Quote
This action is so cowardly and hypocritical that I have for the first time in my many years of EVE:ing lost faith in CCP. I hope they get this in order.
I did watch the stream of the alliance panel. Mittanis presentation was distasteful and boring. I also watched the stream where the new marketing driver lauded and applauded the rough gaming that is the basis of the Mittani persona behaviour. And to make things worse, CCP states that they had inspected and approved of the presentation slides in advance. And quoting the EULA/TOS? Come on. Just by harvesting obscenities from the CCP hosted forums a significant portion of the playerbase are breaking the EULA/TOS on a regular basis.
Today I regretfully unsubscribed EVE. |
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1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
45
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:52:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:1Of9 wrote:1Of9 wrote:1Of9 wrote:Thank you ccp.
You did the right thing, altho the CSM rules state that he cannot run for CSM again.
Plz explain why you are allowing him to run again in the future. to pinpoint my claim: http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdfon page 20 it says, and i quote: Quote:
CSM representative conduct
any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
In light of this, ccp please explain why he will be able to run for CSM in the future. Bump He like any other player will be allowed to "apply" to run for CSM. But the CSM admin team will look at his history of warnings and past behaviour before saying yes or no. Knowing what we do of the circumstances of the ban I think we can probably imagine how that application will end up. (I'd expect its highly unlikely anyone from CCP will answer this question btw because it will stretch too closely to discussing disciplinary procedures about another player)
Ya i know that's the most probable route of action for ccp .. but .. the CSM rules state NO EXCEPTIONS. He must NOT be allowed into the CSM again, as per rules.
Otherwise, ccp is opening a very very dangerous door. a) goon special treatment theory's are proven right b) mittanus claim on his recent ceo update where he claims and i quote: "One could additionally argue that IGÇÖve spent so much time in Iceland this year that IGÇÖve become co-opted by CCP; I have too many friends who work at the company and I donGÇÖt want to **** them over " (source) c) CCP wont be able to permaban anyone from CSM in the future, since a new precedent is set.
Once again, i am waiting for some official answer on the matter, altho i understand it's not a easy subject to reply to, must be answered, otherwise CSM <-> CCP <-> GOONS relationship is not as transparent as CCP claim and needs further investigation, at the possible cost of CSM complete collapse, not to mention CCP/EVE itself. |
Rhaile Vhindiscar
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:55:00 -
[982] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Is this the thread where karma put its foot so far up The Martinis ass that his nose looks like a Timberland work boot now? I have been laughing for days over this and it couldnGÇÖt be more poetic. After years of twisting every word said by anyone he disliked so as to ruin their reputation and drive them out of the game, The Martini himself drank his own poisonGǪGǪGǪ GǪGǪ You planned to say what you said, you defended what you said, and continue to believe that you did nothing wrongGǪGǪ..butGǪGǪGǪ you realized the battle was being lost, so you went into full on damage control mode to try and save yourself. Throwing around apologies, isk, resignations, and grand speeches which are all just self-serving acts as you frantically try to underpin your collapsing GÇ£space spyGÇ¥ internet fameGǪ. Then you realize that, if not redirected quickly, the Goonie mob will turn on you for ******* things up for them. QuickGǪ..to the State of the Goonie! = GÇ¥We are going to take Tenal once and for all from the evil Raiden!!!!GÇ¥GǪGǪGǪ/Sends all the pissed off CFC pilots out to shoot structures again to keep their minds off your colossal **** upGǪGǪGǪ. You will survive this only because Goonies won't let you fail since that would make them look bad. In the mean time this beats anything goonies have/will ever do to others or to themselvesGǪGǪ GǪGǪ.I will be in Jita as well to celebrate the return of GÇ£The MartiniGÇ¥GǪ.. . CSM representative conduct wrote:
any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
Now THIS is a angry man. Show us where the bad chairman touched you?
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
54
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:59:00 -
[983] - Quote
former chairman What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
78
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:20:00 -
[984] - Quote
Rhaile Vhindiscar wrote:Now THIS is a angry man. Show us where the bad chairman touched you?
You should know that when someone receives this response from a Goonie its confirmation that the persons post was a GÇ£wrecking shotGÇ¥GǪGǪ. Carry on being ~mad~GǪGǪ . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Shiana Soltek
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:45:00 -
[985] - Quote
What I find interesting is they are all whinning and crying about disenfranchisement. Apparently these players do not know, or do not care about the actual definition of the term. Their votes were not less effective, they were not blocked. Their votes were counted, served their purpose, and successfully elected their chosen delegate to office.
What happened was AFTER the votes were counted, and AFTER the delegate became the official Chairman to be sworn in once CSM 7 started. The delegate himself, through his OWN actions, and by his own admission, stepped down from the position of CSM 7 chairman/member. This is no different than a US elected president stepping down prior to being sworn into office for actions he committed. The votes were counted, the person was successfully elected.
Your votes were not made less effective, you were not blocked from being able to vote. The person you voted for committed immoral, unethical, and via violation of the TOS and EULA illegal actions, that resulted in his account being banned, and after some personal reflection, resigned from his elected position. Under a normal democratic society, the spot would be filled by the Vice President, or in this case, the person with the next highest amount of votes, and every position from there down filled by the person below it, and the final spot filled by the person with the highest number of votes that did not make the original CSM 7 panel.
Instead of complaining about and trying to cry "disenfranchisement", how about you condemn the person who failed to maintain a professional decorum and failed to represent his constituents in a moral, ethical, and professional manner. |
Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
190
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:48:00 -
[986] - Quote
Mittani has shown his lack of personal character and irresponsibility as a representative and chair of the player base. I find CCPs actions on this issue appropriate.
Simply put, 10058 accts voted wrong. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Droodid
Antec Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:59:00 -
[987] - Quote
Just goes to show if enough people ***** and whine about something utterly unimportant then the result is a load of predictable bollocks. I can't believe he's resigned, as one of the 10k people that voted for him I want that decision reversed.
It's Fanfest, it's a party. If you want to "serious business" up the party at the top of the world that I come to once a year, then I'll stop ******* coming.
Well played CCP, and well played you bunch of whining cunts. |
Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:02:00 -
[988] - Quote
Shiana Soltek wrote:What I find interesting is they are all whinning and crying about disenfranchisement. Apparently these players do not know, or do not care about the actual definition of the term. Their votes were not less effective, they were not blocked. Their votes were counted, served their purpose, and successfully elected their chosen delegate to office.
What happened was AFTER the votes were counted, and AFTER the delegate became the official Chairman to be sworn in once CSM 7 started. The delegate himself, through his OWN actions, and by his own admission, stepped down from the position of CSM 7 chairman/member. This is no different than a US elected president stepping down prior to being sworn into office for actions he committed. The votes were counted, the person was successfully elected.
Your votes were not made less effective, you were not blocked from being able to vote. The person you voted for committed immoral, unethical, and via violation of the TOS and EULA illegal actions, that resulted in his account being banned, and after some personal reflection, resigned from his elected position. Under a normal democratic society, the spot would be filled by the Vice President, or in this case, the person with the next highest amount of votes, and every position from there down filled by the person below it, and the final spot filled by the person with the highest number of votes that did not make the original CSM 7 panel.
Instead of complaining about and trying to cry "disenfranchisement", how about you condemn the person who failed to maintain a professional decorum and failed to represent his constituents in a moral, ethical, and professional manner.
This. A thousand times, this. I applaud you for a reasonable and objective post.
Goons, CCP did not 'discount' your votes, nor did it 'disenfranchise' you. Mittani did.
But to accept that, you would have to sacrifice your little Jesus on the altar of self responsibility. Gods forbid your glorious leader be held accountable for his actions. |
Kosh Seere
Dissonance Corp BLACK-MARK
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:04:00 -
[989] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Della Monk wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Della Monk wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The CSM reached a wrong decision. Alex Gianturco's actions were indefensible really and rather than manning up and telling him he had to go they tried to fool themselves about the scope of the damage done by Alex's drunken antics at Fanfest. Then CCP should have told them this? Well by disregarding their collective advise haven't they just done this? I said told as in civilly, like they respected their opinion as elected representatives. Not by tossing out a decision they must have given some sort of approval to without warning. Well seeing as the CSM members posted seconds after this thread went live either they knew it was coming or they just got very lucky indeed. My money is they were told what the decision was in advance.
OMG, a conspiracy. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:04:00 -
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~goonhate~ trumps fairness |
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