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Entombment
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:56:00 -
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The problem with this entire thread. is the people saying "oh CCP is doing the right thing" are all just pubbies who hate goonswarm. CCP infact went through this the wrong way. We now have 10,000 angry coalition members, and we can't wardec CCP, (we can but we can't shoot them) but we can indeed wardec the "victim". |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
895
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:56:00 -
[1082] - Quote
nope, not at all |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
127
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:57:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:I feel sorry for these straws that are being grasped at. It's not like you're grasping at your own straws to desperately prove to the world that you're not angered over the titan nerf, and it's not like you're using mittens' dismissal as some sort of tool you can wave around whilst shouting "HAHA LOOK AT THIS GUYS WE'RE NOT MAD ABOUT THE TITAN NERF NO NOT AT ALL HEH HAZED" etc
I ALREADY CANCELLED MY 50 ACCOUNTS BECAUSE IM DISENFRANCHISED. JOIN ME BROTHER. IF WE ALL 'QUIT' THE GAME THEY WILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO US WE ARE 4 PERCENT OF THE PLAYER BASE. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
127
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:57:00 -
[1084] - Quote
~10058~ |
Deeavlo
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:57:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Xhagen wrote: Since the chair resigned from CSM 6 prior to being banned and was not yet seated on CSM 7 he will be able to run for future CSMs. That is a very poor decision that CCP in general should probably reconsider over the year to come. An individual's noteriety/prominence should never overcome the basic requirement to be a player of good standing and reputation (ie without serious infractions on the account.) The way you've stated it there just sounds like a shady legal loophole and it will be seen as such.
Jesus, why don't you just tell Mittens to kill himself already? |
Glasi Vookto
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:58:00 -
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CCP Xhagen wrote:Hi folks. We've noticed a few common questions popping up in this thread that we'd like to answer.
Q1, CCP forced the resignation of the CSM Chairman. A1, As a part of the CSM bylaws, banned players are ineligible to sit on the CSM. This would have been an unfortunate side effect of CCP feeling that a temporary ban was the correct course of action in this case. However, prior to any notification to this effect, The chairman of CSM6 resigned of his own volition as he had previously announced that he would do. Since the chair resigned from CSM 6 prior to being banned and was not yet seated on CSM 7 he will be able to run for future CSMs.
We have had members resign from the CSM before. The process is pretty clear in these cases, the next person on the voting poll becomes active. This is the first time the chairman of the CSM has resigned so we are discussing with the CSM if we should make amendments to the process based on that.
Q2, There is an issue of 10,058 votes. What will CCP do about that? A2, As in most democratic societies, if an elected member resigns the governance system is designed to handle that; for CSM6 the "next" person steps in (an alternate); for CSM7, where we had removed the concept of GÇÿalternateGÇÖ and increased the size of the CSM to 14, the council simply continues to function minus one. If players are not satisfied with that system they should contact the CSM and propose changes for CSM 7 to discuss formally. The CSM can bring this issue up directly with CCP and propose changes should such an event happen in the future. It is clear from many communications from CSM6 and CSM7-elect members that they take the representation of these 10,058 voters very seriously and hopefully the remaining CSM representatives will act in the spirit of those who voted for the resigned member.
We should also keep in mind that every CSM member has the obligation to, at some level, represent all of EVE and its players, and that the voting system is anonymous.
Q3, Real life actions should not equate to in game sanctions. Why did this happen? A3, After much deliberation on the subject, CCP considers the Alliance Panel to be an official CCP forum, as it is hosted by CCP and broadcast in a similarly visible fashion to the EVE Online forums. As such, it falls under the jurisdiction of the TOS. Furthermore, the panelist, present on the panel in order to represent his in-game identity, advocated using in-game actions to achieve a real world outcome. Specifically he suggested that if anyone wanted to make another player kill themselves in real life, they should go in game and harass them to achieve that consequence. The totality of the situation including the official forum in which it was held and statements of the panelist during the Q&A, have since lead to in-game sanctions. However, it is important to note that this incidence does not necessarily create precedence for any other "real life" actions or statements triggering a ban.
Q4, Wait, so you DID vet the presentations? Meaning it was perfectly fine for him to make fun of a suicidal player? A4, Although the contents of the Alliance Panel presentations and discussion topics are reviewed by CCP prior to the event itself, the TOS-breaking incident took place during an unscripted Q&A session after the main presentation which was not mentioned in the submitted presentation. The submitted presentation slides (although distasteful) did not give the name of the player at any time, nor did they call for direct action against that player, and therefore passed muster. CCP have always allowed substantial leeway during the Alliance Panel and we look forward to ensuring that future events remain entertaining and engaging for the EVE community.
+ I'm glad to see that there will be NO perma ban on Mittens trying for future CSM's. Granted im sure his efforts for the csm have been highly over rated, but its undeniable that he has had an impact due to the successful outcomes of this past 12 months.
+ It's understandable that you dont want to hold a re election, but perhaps you could open it up so the eve mass's could vote for who they want as the chairman, and not leave it to the current csm to nominate there own. This would give us ALL the opportunity to make up for our votes no matter who they went to. (no i didnt vote for mittens, but i almost did)
+ Although i have not viewed the footage of the event, im curious how an ingame message could be blown to these proportions. Eve is a game with scams and in character abuse happening pretty much on an hourly basis. The only difference i see here is the influenece of booze and a live webfeed. For this i blame ccp as the suspect q&a session should have been done at a time when little alchohol had been consumed. On top of this, ALL feeds should have been vetted, to this effect i find no excuse in allowing a live feed.
+ The in game mail was the precursor to all the following actions, so as such, has the initial posted (victim) had any bans or restrictions placed on them? As i understand it, they started the rl references to commiting suicide, and who is to say they weren't simply refering to poding themself, and this whole thing has been blown well out of proportion? I also read somewher that mittani gave this so called victim 1.8billion in isk as a way towards an apology? I sincerely hope this has been removed from said victims account in light of ccp's actions in regards to banning a player.
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:59:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:I feel sorry for these straws that are being grasped at. your titan is still being nerfed |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1795
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Posted - 2012.03.29 17:59:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:I feel sorry for these straws that are being grasped at. It's not like you're grasping at your own straws to desperately prove to the world that you're not angered over the titan nerf, and it's not like you're using mittens' dismissal as some sort of tool you can wave around whilst shouting "HAHA LOOK AT THIS GUYS WE'RE NOT MAD ABOUT THE TITAN NERF NO NOT AT ALL HEH HAZED" etc I ALREADY CANCELLED MY 50 ACCOUNTS BECAUSE IM DISENFRANCHISED. JOIN ME BROTHER. IF WE ALL 'QUIT' THE GAME THEY WILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO US WE ARE 4 PERCENT OF THE PLAYER BASE.
The brutal irony is that if the entirety of Goonswarm quit tomorrow it'd probably take about a month to make up the loss with extra hisec miners and carebears deciding that Eve was now a game for them after all.
(and course with the biggest NAPFEST the game has ever seen being broken up then 0.0 wars would start getting interesting again.)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
895
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:00:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:I feel sorry for these straws that are being grasped at. It's not like you're grasping at your own straws to desperately prove to the world that you're not angered over the titan nerf, and it's not like you're using mittens' dismissal as some sort of tool you can wave around whilst shouting "HAHA LOOK AT THIS GUYS WE'RE NOT MAD ABOUT THE TITAN NERF NO NOT AT ALL HEH HAZED" etc I ALREADY CANCELLED MY 50 ACCOUNTS BECAUSE IM DISENFRANCHISED. JOIN ME BROTHER. IF WE ALL 'QUIT' THE GAME THEY WILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO US WE ARE 4 PERCENT OF THE PLAYER BASE.
The only goons who have whined about cancelling their accounts are pretty much 100% idiots fyi
~10,058~ disenfranchised voters |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:01:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:I feel sorry for these straws that are being grasped at. It's not like you're grasping at your own straws to desperately prove to the world that you're not angered over the titan nerf, and it's not like you're using mittens' dismissal as some sort of tool you can wave around whilst shouting "HAHA LOOK AT THIS GUYS WE'RE NOT MAD ABOUT THE TITAN NERF NO NOT AT ALL HEH HAZED" etc I ALREADY CANCELLED MY 50 ACCOUNTS BECAUSE IM DISENFRANCHISED. JOIN ME BROTHER. IF WE ALL 'QUIT' THE GAME THEY WILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO US WE ARE 4 PERCENT OF THE PLAYER BASE. The brutal irony is that if the entirety of Goonswarm quit tomorrow it'd probably take about a month to make up the loss with extra hisec miners and carebears deciding that Eve was now a game for them after all. (and course with the biggest NAPFEST the game has ever seen being broken up then 0.0 wars would start getting interesting again.) so you're literally saying that when people consider playing eve, they realize that people from the somethingawful forum play eve, then they decide not to play eve |
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Gideon Tyler
EVE University Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:02:00 -
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The Mittani did himself in here on the Alliance Panel and there can be little argument about that. That being said CCP did probably err in the following:
1) Allowing intoxicated persons participate in the panel
2) Allowing people on the panel to drink during the panel
3) Approving some pretty distasteful slideshows and thus giving their tacit endorsement to said content
4) Allowing the Alliance panel to operate without moderation by CCP
Looking to next year, such reforms would include barring obviously intoxicated panelists from participating, not permitting drinking during panels, and CCP employees moderating the panels, and exercising more caution when reviewing/approving materials for panels.
CCP did not create this fiasco, but CCP did create an environment that permitted, and perhaps even encouraged this nonsense in the first place. Corrections should be made going forward. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
895
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:02:00 -
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Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:I feel sorry for these straws that are being grasped at. It's not like you're grasping at your own straws to desperately prove to the world that you're not angered over the titan nerf, and it's not like you're using mittens' dismissal as some sort of tool you can wave around whilst shouting "HAHA LOOK AT THIS GUYS WE'RE NOT MAD ABOUT THE TITAN NERF NO NOT AT ALL HEH HAZED" etc I ALREADY CANCELLED MY 50 ACCOUNTS BECAUSE IM DISENFRANCHISED. JOIN ME BROTHER. IF WE ALL 'QUIT' THE GAME THEY WILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO US WE ARE 4 PERCENT OF THE PLAYER BASE. The brutal irony is that if the entirety of Goonswarm quit tomorrow it'd probably take about a month to make up the loss with extra hisec miners and carebears deciding that Eve was now a game for them after all. (and course with the biggest NAPFEST the game has ever seen being broken up then 0.0 wars would start getting interesting again.) so you're literally saying that when people consider playing eve, they realize that people from the somethingawful forum play eve, then they decide not to play eve
cultural victory |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:03:00 -
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CCP Xhagen wrote: Q1, CCP forced the resignation of the CSM Chairman. A1, As a part of the CSM bylaws, banned players are ineligible to sit on the CSM. This would have been an unfortunate side effect of CCP feeling that a temporary ban was the correct course of action in this case. However, prior to any notification to this effect, The chairman of CSM6 resigned of his own volition as he had previously announced that he would do. Since the chair resigned from CSM 6 prior to being banned and was not yet seated on CSM 7 he will be able to run for future CSMs.
Hi CCP Xhagen, which CSM bylaw are you applying in this case? The document linked from the CSM community page is this one: http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf
In the section on candidate eligbility it states:
Quote:Also, players with a serious warning22 or ban on any account in their possession can be excluded from candidate eligibility. However, in-game behavior, regardless of play style, will never be a criterion for candidacy unless the rules of the EULA and/or TOS are violated.
This is a get out clause, not a hard and fast rule so this doesn't mandate The Mittani's exclusion from CSM6 or 7.
The section on representative conduct states:
Quote:any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
Now this is a little ambiguous because its not clear whether "the council" refers to the current iteration of the CSM or all iterations. However, the interpretation implied by your statement is that it refers only to CSM6, in which case he should still be eligible for CSM7. If that is not the case he should be barred from all future CSMs.
If I'm referring to the wrong versions of the byelaws then please let me know, however the pdf above is linked from the CSM community page (http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/). I'm also aware that at the end of the day you don't have to abide by these self imposed rules, however I'd appreciate if you didn't try to paint this as a decision forced upon you by them when it clearly isn't. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
127
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:03:00 -
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I just like the Titan nerf thread where Raiden whined like babbies and were 'cancelling their accounts'. And goons trololol'd them.
This is an exact replica with a different alliance ticker.
I get to laugh at both of them. It's so cute. |
Entombment
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:03:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:~10058~
Actually our exit polls showed that this year mittens got 10,011 votes from inside the coalition, only 47 outside of the CFC voted for him and they could very well have been alts. |
Li Charen-Teng
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:04:00 -
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Thanks for clarification, CCP Xhagen.
I voted for Mittani in CSM6 and he got none from me in CSM7 - his elitist attitude that he gained over the CSM6 period just a bad copy of old BOB and I seriously can't support that. Death to all shield supercaps! Checking EVE GATE every few minutes... |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
128
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:05:00 -
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Entombment wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:~10058~ Actually our exit polls showed that this year mittens got 10,011 votes from inside the coalition, only 47 outside of the CFC voted for him and they could very well have been alts.
Is your exit poll the redirect you had on your killboard? 'Cause I put i had 99 accounts about 5 times. |
Col Spinks
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:05:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote: Do you really seek to disenfranchise over ten thousand people? Hah, the last person to do that was Vladimir Putin!
Putin on the Ritz.
Seriously, far less people would have cared if the whole cyberbullying thing wasn't an issue in current media today. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
895
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:08:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:Entombment wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:~10058~ Actually our exit polls showed that this year mittens got 10,011 votes from inside the coalition, only 47 outside of the CFC voted for him and they could very well have been alts. Is your exit poll the redirect you had on your killboard? 'Cause I put i had 99 accounts about 5 times.
Solo pretty religiously Drakbanned any odd results. |
Care Bear King
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:11:00 -
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Not a goon.
I was opposed to The Mittani's first term, but voted for him this time around based off what he did last time. Forcing someone to resign from CSM7 by suggesting they can run again under some technical loophole when they got more votes this time around than #2 and #3 combined is easily as terrible as this long, long sentence.
HTFU indeed.
What's next, someone getting PL banned for feeling offended by their copious use of the word '******' in voice chat?
. . .
A Mittani-less CSM7 does not represent the players. Bring on CSM8. |
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:12:00 -
[1101] - Quote
Dez Affinity wrote:Entombment wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:~10058~ Actually our exit polls showed that this year mittens got 10,011 votes from inside the coalition, only 47 outside of the CFC voted for him and they could very well have been alts. Is your exit poll the redirect you had on your killboard? 'Cause I put i had 99 accounts about 5 times. sneaky, no way we would have thought to bounce all the input from people saying they had 99 accounts |
Col Spinks
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:13:00 -
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Li Charen-Teng wrote:Thanks for clarification, CCP Xhagen.
I voted for Mittani in CSM6 and he got none from me in CSM7 - his elitist attitude that he gained over the CSM6 period just a bad copy of old BOB and I seriously can't support that. Death to all shield supercaps!
Saying that El Mittani "gained" and elitist attitude during CSM6 is just showing the rest of us that either you weren't here before CSM 6, or that you just weren't paying attention. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1796
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:18:00 -
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Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:I feel sorry for these straws that are being grasped at. It's not like you're grasping at your own straws to desperately prove to the world that you're not angered over the titan nerf, and it's not like you're using mittens' dismissal as some sort of tool you can wave around whilst shouting "HAHA LOOK AT THIS GUYS WE'RE NOT MAD ABOUT THE TITAN NERF NO NOT AT ALL HEH HAZED" etc I ALREADY CANCELLED MY 50 ACCOUNTS BECAUSE IM DISENFRANCHISED. JOIN ME BROTHER. IF WE ALL 'QUIT' THE GAME THEY WILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO US WE ARE 4 PERCENT OF THE PLAYER BASE. The brutal irony is that if the entirety of Goonswarm quit tomorrow it'd probably take about a month to make up the loss with extra hisec miners and carebears deciding that Eve was now a game for them after all. (and course with the biggest NAPFEST the game has ever seen being broken up then 0.0 wars would start getting interesting again.) so you're literally saying that when people consider playing eve, they realize that people from the somethingawful forum play eve, then they decide not to play eve
Thats pretty much the gist of comments on many gaming websites. But really I'm just trying to say that CCP don't need goonswarm anymore than they need 10,000 hisec mission runners. You guys should get over yourselves.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Kosh Seere
Dissonance Corp BLACK-MARK
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:18:00 -
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You all scream about Goons/CFC tears, but all I see are pubbies who think they finally have a chance to strike back for all the grief caused. It's not like the CFC is disbanding because you think you've "won". |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1796
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:19:00 -
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Kosh Seere wrote:You all scream about Goons/CFC tears, but all I see are pubbies who think they finally have a chance to strike back for all the grief caused. It's not like the CFC is disbanding because you think you've "won".
Well you did just have your "king of space" decapitated.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Kosh Seere
Dissonance Corp BLACK-MARK
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:21:00 -
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Chicken Pizza wrote:You morons say "10,058" like it's a large number. Do you even realize how many of those votes were probably alts? Do you know how many votes Obama alone received in the US 2008 presidential election? 69,456,897 votes. 52.92% of all of the voters in the third most populated country in the world. Kinda puts things into perspective, huh?
If Obama went live and told everyone in the US to feel free to call/mail/message a specific person and tell them to kill themselves, do you really think he would still be in office for much longer?
Most of you won't un-sub. Of the ones who do, I'm sure many, if not most, will inevitably re-sub. If you don't, good riddance.
Why don't you try looking at it conversely? Out of 59,109 votes cast, Mittani only received 10,058. That means 49,051 votes were NOT for Mittani. 83% of the votes/voters did NOT want Mittani for CSM. So while you're all bitching about how all 10,058 of you wanted Mittani to be CSM, consider the fact that the other 49,051 of us don't give a **** about what you think.
Math rules. Your math is awesome... especially where you compare the US population to the EVE pop. Go skill yourself. |
Deeavlo
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:22:00 -
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Li Charen-Teng wrote:Thanks for clarification, CCP Xhagen.
I voted for Mittani in CSM6 and he got none from me in CSM7 - his elitist attitude that he gained over the CSM6 period just a bad copy of old BOB and I seriously can't support that. Death to all shield supercaps!
If I were a huge part of a reason having good intentions of saving a video game company from committing seppuku by having mircotransaction items costing 60 IRL bucks, forcing their players contained in a small rusty 3rd world country like rooms with zero gameplay all the while melting their video cards, diverting their efforts from their flagship spaceship game to focus on twilight online and making countless of players regain their optimism for the future of Eve not seen since Apocrypha and resubbing again, I'd be smug as **** too. |
The Illuminist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:23:00 -
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I haven't played much over the past few months and have only kept my account alive due to my love and memories of the game. This is as good a reason to let my account expire.
Bad show, CCP. |
Li Charen-Teng
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:28:00 -
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Mittani is not the only guy responsible guy for the good changes we had with Crucible. He was just the face to the media, he ****** up his face to the media in Q&A session with TOS violation. HTFU - the other guys in CSM6/7 will not break your game. Checking EVE GATE every few minutes... |
Omnathious Deninard
M'Tar Logistics Division Night Sky Alliance
18
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Posted - 2012.03.29 18:29:00 -
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Goons lose there spot on the CSM, goons cry and talk about rage quitting.......... i dont see any problem here |
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