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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:41:00 -
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Fanfest 2012 was a phenomenal success with player participation at an all-time high and a greater focus than ever on EVE Online. Unfortunately we had an incident at the Alliance Panel which has resulted in us setting out new rules and policies for future Fanfests. CCP Navigator and CCP Darth Beta explain how EVE is growing up in this dev blog. CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Zhentar
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:47:00 -
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Burn Everything. This is a terrible decision and had been resolved by the offender. |
RogueAnt
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:48:00 -
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Hmm. |
ShadowMaster
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:50:00 -
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Thanks for the update CCP. For the most part I always enjoy the alliance panel and get a good laugh. I left before the end of it this time though so missed this. I really hope you don't eliminate it completely, to much fun to be had at it. |
Oliver Duncan
Kick B0rt Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:52:00 -
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Quote:Yet out of control drunkenness and calls for harassment have no places in such a culture.
This is the entirety of Eve culture. |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:57:00 -
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Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:58:00 -
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My vote, as well as those of 17% of those who bothered to participate, were simply tossed in the trash?
I'm not sure that even the American Democratic machine in Chicago has ever been responsible for nullifying that large a voting block.
I would like to apply my vote to another character. I'm suspect others may as well. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:59:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Fanfest 2012 was a phenomenal success with player participation at an all-time high and a greater focus than ever on EVE Online. Unfortunately we had an incident at the Alliance Panel which has resulted in us setting out new rules and policies for future Fanfests. CCP Navigator and CCP Darth Beta explain how EVE is growing up in this dev blog.
You'd have 10,000 Dislikes right about now if you had the option to do so.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Oliver Duncan
Kick B0rt Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:04:00 -
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CCCP is living up to it's name. |
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:06:00 -
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Ding, dong, the witch is dead...
HAH! Good on you CCP! |
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:10:00 -
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+1 a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:11:00 -
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You just threw yourself into a massive **** storm, be prepared. Jita Riots were nothing, Jita WILL burn this time. You also just **** all over the CSM and everything that they worked so hard to build up, gg CCP. |
Raneru
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:14:00 -
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I actually forgot to get my vote in for CSM 7, which as it turns out wan't really a bad thing as it was pretty much a waste of time. |
Li Malak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:18:00 -
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Your so-called 'Director for Marketing' should resign now, because CCP has ****** itself by banning The Mittani from CSM 7. You have disenfranchised over 10,000 accounts. |
Utamary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:23:00 -
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Goon Tears are priceless |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:24:00 -
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Interesting maths at work here.
If running a BOT first offence is a minor penalty (2 week temp ban) then harassment is a double-minor penalty (30 day temp ban).
So what's the equivalent of 5 minutes for fighting? Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:28:00 -
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Rules for removed candidates please.
I want to put my vote elsewhere thanks.
EDIT: Welcome to the slippery slope of the death of a sandbox. Grats CCP on listening to your advertisers/overlords.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Vincent VanDamme
Shadowfire Enterprises Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:32:00 -
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Li Malak wrote:Your so-called 'Director for Marketing' should resign now, because CCP has ****** itself by banning The Mittani from CSM 7. You have disenfranchised over 10,000 accounts.
That isn't how elections work, is it?
I understand disagreeing with the decisions, who wouldn't. But I have to say that the sense of entitlement coming for this is quoite staggering.
The votes he got were amazing. a real strong showing of support for the work he did on CSM 6. And he did some awesome work with a lot of good people on the CSM.
Those votes don't mean that he is immune to rules, does it? It doesn't mean that the TOS no longer applies. Popular votes don't give carte blanche. does it? Be reasonable here. This is a pretty unique situation, and what occurred was a mistake all told.
That being said: I hope your CEO comes back with renewed vigor, and doesn't take this to heart. I find it very sad the amount of hate thrown around, and i could see him being brought down by what has been pretty harsh character assassination in the gaming press. That i don't think is cool. Heck, i hope i am never called up on things ive said when ive been pissed. Id probably get sacked, or worse. And that's just me. We all make mistakes, and we take them on the chin, and move on. I hope he will. So as i have not paid :tenbux: if you can send him my best at least, i would appreciate it.
Be that as it may, i was looking froward to the GSF Jita interdiction. It'll be interesting to see the effects of decentralising the markets. So good luck with that.
Take care,
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:43:00 -
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Allow me to translate this....
A GÇ£frat houseGÇ¥ type presentation style may have been well-matched for a younger EVE Online, when there was a smaller community roaming the stars.
CCP: Now that we have to bow to pressure of companies larger than ourselves, we are going to start removing the magic that makes Fanfest great.
Just wondering CCP, what was the magic number you decided to sell out at? |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:44:00 -
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This will not end well. |
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Sustaine
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:45:00 -
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I like Mittani but he deserves it. You voted for him, he sank your vote. Blame him.
No he didn't mention a RL name when he called on everyone to grief a guy to push him to suicide, but he was clearly reaching through the game to affect a player in RL (kidding or not). Same result.
Yes botting is bad but this was worse. Botters cheat but really only affect the game, not RL (unless you make money off it - and CCP comes down hard on people who make RL money on botting.) Mittani (fed by the Goon reputation, and the "we're going to break your game" motto of that corp) stepped into it.
This kind of error marks a game for years. Especially among other non-eve gamers - the ones who might have sometime want to play the game. It's a a PR blunder right when EVE needs to open up to more players.
Good Fanfest btw. |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 -
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What, is Sony running Fanfest now?
Word of advice: Fanfest owned, drinking, debauchery, wormhole-penetrating phalluses and all. Don't go all limp-ducked and Blizzardish on us, bros. |
Ines Fy
Heroes of the Past Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 -
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Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 -
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CCP, will you also be censuring the moderator who allowed the supposedly EULA breaking activity to pass without comment? How about the employees who broadcast and rebroadcast the pannel without bleeping out the offending bits? |
Yasuhiro Shoe
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:46:00 -
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Nope. You can't enforce maturity. That's not your job and it's arrogant of you to tell people otherwise. This seems actually a case of taking away from Eve a large part of its unique appeal. CCP really can't get along with Eve players after all. Oh well.
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:47:00 -
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Nicely written blog, all this Mittani BS aside (plz? pretty plz?) I hope everyone realizes it was an ISOLATED incident, yea theres alot of "frat house" behaviour, but so far we've all kept ourselves in check. Alot of drunkenness but alot of fun too, sharing a beer with a dev and them sharing jokes with us means the WORLD to the players!
If CCP have to tone Fanfest down after all this utter BS I'll be devestated. Its what makes CCP so awesome!!! |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:49:00 -
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Fanfest is a singularly unique event in all of gaming. It's the only event where players and devs can get together and be informal and tell jokes and really party together and have a ******* blast. Fanfest is great because of this party culture. If you try to "grow up" and make it another big lame marketing event, the magic will be gone.
Perhaps certain things shouldn't be live streamed. Ok that's definitely obvious. But don't ruin fanfest because of one mistake. |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:52:00 -
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Zastrow wrote:Fanfest is a singularly unique event in all of gaming. It's the only event where players and devs can get together and be informal and tell jokes and really party together and have a ******* blast. Fanfest is great because of this party culture. If you try to "grow up" and make it another big lame marketing event, the magic will be gone.
Perhaps certain things shouldn't be live streamed. Ok that's definitely obvious. But don't ruin fanfest because of one mistake.
Hi5, spacebro. |
Drake Jeffers
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:53:00 -
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I honestly believe that the player that was hurt by this incident involving Mittani shouldn't change the rules of this game. I believe that calling him out in public on the alliance forum was wrong but trust me that the expression "go kill yourself" was in no means a serious statement and in no manner would hope someone would commit suicide over a game.
Mittani only meant that because of the trouble that the people that killed him may give him the victim may be very angry.
Killing himself would be an option but I sincerely hope that EVE is not that Important to him. So just keep in mind as we move forward that you built a game that advocates espionage and if you want to take out griefing other players you may want to look into removing the espionage deal as well.
Considering the thefts that have been done a single mining vessel or two is nothing. And you let that go on all the time.
Also I would like to say that as we go forward if you want people to not get trolled in this way then all you have to do is limit in-game pictures to HUD-less screen-shots and the like. Because in that way you're preventing anyone on the alliance panel from relaying information they got via spying to the whole community during their alliance panel.
Please take what I have said into account 2600 games of league of legends has made me very good at distinguishing a personal attack and just simple griefing and Mittani didn't mean harm he just incidentally caused it. And the idea of griefing should not be condemned because of that. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:54:00 -
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Li Malak wrote:Your so-called 'Director for Marketing' should resign now, because CCP has ****** itself by banning The Mittani from CSM 7. You have disenfranchised over 10,000 accounts.
The Mittani made a mistake in resorting to Something Awful/Goonswarm subscriber-only style humour in a public forum. In your own cultural surrounds, his call to drive a player to suicide would be interpreted as the "up talking" it probably was: you'd have a chuckle, enjoy the schadenfreude of someone possibly committing suicide over words in an Internet spaceship game, and forget about the incident (possibly after moving to the system to entertain the fantasy of ganking the guy, then not following through because even Goons have some lines they won't cross). In the public environment, merely uttering the suggestion to harass someone who claims to be suicidal is crossing one of those lines that shouldn't have been crossed.
To be clear here: it does not matter one iota whether or not the target is actually suicidal or not. He might claim to be fine with the attention in public, while in private he's resenting it. He might have made the claim about how his life was a mess and was contemplating suicide simply to get a rise out of the gankers. You just don't know. This is why in the real world we take any hint of suicidal (or homicidal) tendencies seriously and offer help: we certainly don't make a joke about encouraging people to harass the target further, especially not in a forum attended by 3000 people who aren't present at the venue to be aware of the general atmosphere of the gathering. Some of us watching the feed would have just turned on the feed to watch the Alliance Panel during our lunch break at work, and be totally unaware of the general atmosphere of FanFest 2012 at that point in time.
On CCP's side of things, the usual way to handle unscripted "live" events is to delay the broadcast by about 7-8 seconds to allow the production crew time to hit the "OH ****" button. On a radio station, this might be a simple "BEEEP" to obscure the words being uttered, terminating the phone call, or playing the station's jingle. For FanFest this could be a few frames of "Trollface" or the serious-face Amarr guy from the promotional brochure with the words "CCP Advises that this live content is not suitable for broadcast".
There are still null sec candidates and candidates sympathetic to Goonswarm (or at least to The Mittani) on CSM 7. You will not be "unrepresented", it's just that your favoured representative has disqualified himself from representing you. Goonswarm opinions will still shape the future of EVE Online and DUST 514. Vote for two candidates in the future, so you have backup when one self-destructs.
TL;DR: Your beef should be with Alex for trying to engage in a **** measuring contest in a live broadcast forum, not with CCP for taking the only action they can take for such a public violation of their TOS.
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