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Mr M
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:01:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Mr M wrote:[quote=Aiden Andraste]Well, that's another thing. In your first post you clearly said "They are no longer player representatives" and that's wrong. They are still player representatives even if you or 10000 other players didn't vote for them. What you should've said to begin with is "I am sad because the candidate I voted for messed up and resigned". If you look closely you can see that these two messages are not quite the same. And just because you feel that my opinion is worthless because The Mittani made an error, does not in fact, make this true. Cause that's like, your opinion, man. No. It's a fact that the thirteen other candidates who in total got 34,238 votes are still representatives. It's a fact that The Mittani who got 10,058 votes were a representative until he decided to resign. It is your opinion that you no longer have a representative in the CSM. Totally different things, man.
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Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:11:00 -
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from CSM Revote - It's a CSM Decision, Not a CCP Decision
There are now calls for a revote from many in the community. Most feel, that with 10000 votes now invalidated, that any person that assumes the Chair, that they do not hold a mandate for that position. That's a valid argument to make.
(From what has been coming out of the CSM, none of the current top six members are particularly eager to assume the Chair. Because they lack a mandate, to do so would likely be political suicide in future CSMs.)
Most of the calls are for CCP to invalidate the previous election, to run a new election. The problem is that the decision is not one that CCP can make. They have their CSM rules in place. Someone resigns or is given the boot, someone else assumes their position. In this case, position fifteen makes it into CSM7, since CSM7 has yet to begin.
The only people who can make a strong statement for a reelection would be the newly elected CSM members. All thirteen members would need to resign enmasse.
If that were to happen, then CCP has three choices:
- Select for the CSM the next fourteen candidates. This would likely not be a popular choice, and the riots we saw last summer would be dwarfed by the riots we would see if this were to happen.
- Spend two weeks and run a new, quickie election. This is no skin off CCP's back. Reset the election software, activate it again. It's not like it costs CCP any money.
- Disband the CSM for the 2012-2013 campaign year. Again, this would not be a popular choice.
CCP's only logical option would be to go with the second choice.
There's likely no danger to the current candidates (except Issler Dainze.) Every candidate that got elected, should get elected again. There might be some minor shuffling of positions. Of course, Trebor will lose another night of sleep, EVEmails will need to be sent out again.
The benefit to the current candidates is that a clear mandate for the chair will emerge -- likely whoever replaces The Mittani as the CFC candidate. Also of benefit, Issler Dainze will not get re-elected, someone more worthy and willing to participate on the CCP/CSM Skype channel would replace her.
I see little downside to any of the thirteen remaining CSM members if they were to resign with the express purpose of forcing CCP to rerun the CSM7 election. Only twelve will resign (Issler won't), but that should be enough of a message to force CCP's hand on the issue.
Personally, I don't care either way. I think Two Step would make for a fine CSM Chair, and over the course of the term, I believe any initial ill will would fade. In the end people would agree that he did a fine job in the role. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:22:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:I voted for Seleene and Mittens on my two accounts. Now that CCP has taken its heavy handed action against everyone who believes the Mittani is a valuable and key figure of CSM7 regardless of his politically incorrect gaffe, this CSM is completely invalid.
Either have a revote to allow the 10k to place their vote in whom they think is a better chairman, or just disband CSM. They are no longer player representatives and are now a CCP chosen politically "right" image to present to its partners and the media as a whole.
Eve is a cold heartless ice queen.
~Deal with it~ |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
146
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:33:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:I voted for Seleene and Mittens on my two accounts. Now that CCP has taken its heavy handed action against everyone who believes the Mittani is a valuable and key figure of CSM7 regardless of his politically incorrect gaffe, this CSM is completely invalid.
Either have a revote to allow the 10k to place their vote in whom they think is a better chairman, or just disband CSM. They are no longer player representatives and are now a CCP chosen politically "right" image to present to its partners and the media as a whole. Eve is a cold heartless ice queen. ~Deal with it~ Thank you for your support in these trying times, sir badposter! |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1306
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:37:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:I voted for Seleene and Mittens on my two accounts. Now that CCP has taken its heavy handed action against everyone who believes the Mittani is a valuable and key figure of CSM7 regardless of his politically incorrect gaffe, this CSM is completely invalid.
Either have a revote to allow the 10k to place their vote in whom they think is a better chairman, or just disband CSM. They are no longer player representatives and are now a CCP chosen politically "right" image to present to its partners and the media as a whole. Eve is a cold heartless ice queen. ~Deal with it~ Thank you for your support in these trying times, sir badposter!
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:39:00 -
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~Abloo-bloo-bloo~ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
535
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:40:00 -
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Mr M wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Mr M wrote:[quote=Aiden Andraste]Well, that's another thing. In your first post you clearly said "They are no longer player representatives" and that's wrong. They are still player representatives even if you or 10000 other players didn't vote for them. What you should've said to begin with is "I am sad because the candidate I voted for messed up and resigned". If you look closely you can see that these two messages are not quite the same. And just because you feel that my opinion is worthless because The Mittani made an error, does not in fact, make this true. Cause that's like, your opinion, man. No. It's a fact that the thirteen other candidates who in total got 34,238 votes are still representatives. It's a fact that The Mittani who got 10,058 votes were a representative until he decided to resign. It is your opinion that you no longer have a representative in the CSM. Totally different things, man.
You think they care about reality. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
535
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:41:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:I voted for Seleene and Mittens on my two accounts. Now that CCP has taken its heavy handed action against everyone who believes the Mittani is a valuable and key figure of CSM7 regardless of his politically incorrect gaffe, this CSM is completely invalid.
Either have a revote to allow the 10k to place their vote in whom they think is a better chairman, or just disband CSM. They are no longer player representatives and are now a CCP chosen politically "right" image to present to its partners and the media as a whole. Eve is a cold heartless ice queen. ~Deal with it~ Thank you for your support in these trying times, sir badposter!
Mittens got removed from the CSM
~Deal with it~ Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
146
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:42:00 -
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The badposters honor me with their valuable and insightful opinions! Thank you kind sirs! |
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