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GIEF BOTTOM	Posted - 2008.09.24 17:11:00 - [1] [Armageddon, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Ogre I x5 I was wondering what rigs people would suggest fitting with this setup along with whether they have any armageddon setups they would like to share P.S I went back about 5 pages and didn't find an upto date geddon thread so i decided to make another
Akuma Tsukai Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.24 17:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Akuma Tsukai on 24/09/2008 17:24:04 take cover as ure under fire Well for starters(all IMHO): dump DC for second EANM, with ur buffer structure resists are secondary. I suppose it some kind of gang fit, if so - dump repper and point as well, switch to DC and mwd. Conflag isnt THAT bad but ure so limitd on distance. (M)andatory module needed. Try to squise heavy neut there, always handy. As for rigs this thing just screams trimarks to me. P.S. Lol i missed tech 1 heavies :) use T2 meds if u cant use T2 heavies. Man even ur brick will outrun them with MWD ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me.
Nahzgul Senate and People of Rome	Posted - 2008.09.24 18:14:00 - [3] My set up is very similar with a few exceptions I only post the whole set up so the rigs make sense. With ur's I would run 3x trimark's to make the most of the 3x 1600 plates. [Armageddon, Active] Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Algid Energy Administrations Unit I Wasp I x5
Annowyn Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.09.24 18:17:00 - [4] I am currently flying: 7x Mega Pulse (using best named for another couple of weeks) 1x remote rep or large nos 1x med cap booster 1x scram 1x web 2x 1600 rt plates 2x enam 2x heat sink 2x tracking enhancers 3x trimarks I use it for lowsec as the MWD is not as important.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.09.24 18:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Akuma Tsukai Edited by: Akuma Tsukai on 24/09/2008 17:24:04 take cover as ure under fire Well for starters(all IMHO): dump DC for second EANM, with ur buffer structure resists are secondary. I suppose it some kind of gang fit, if so - dump repper and point as well, switch to DC and mwd. Conflag isnt THAT bad but ure so limitd on distance. (M)andatory module needed. Try to squise heavy neut there, always handy. As for rigs this thing just screams trimarks to me. P.S. Lol i missed tech 1 heavies :) use T2 meds if u cant use T2 heavies. Man even ur brick will outrun them with MWD The instant you suggested removing the damage control for a 2nd EANM, I ignored the rest of your post and just did a face palm. ----- My Pirate Blog: http://evenewb.blogspot.com/ My Ransom Board: http://www.pcransomboard.com/
Yoko Lee Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.24 18:25:00 - [6] My geddon fit for small gang and low secure : 7x mega pulse II, 1x large solace remote armor repair 1x sensor booster II, 1x med cap inj, 1x disruptor 3x 1600mm RT, 1x ts eanm, 1x dc named, 3x heat sink II 3x trimak (HG slave) 5x berserker II
Cmndr Griff Opinicus Operations	Posted - 2008.09.24 18:28:00 - [7] Edited by: Cmndr Griff on 24/09/2008 18:28:35 Make sure to get Ogre/Bezerker IIs as soon as possible, and also consider using Amarr Navy Multispec instead of conflag. It isn't much less dps and your capacitor will thank you. Also because of Scorch an MWD isn't always necessary but it depends on the situation. Worth checking out this video for inspiration. Useful links: Jump-planner
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.24 18:34:00 - [8] I was going to ask how you people can stand triple plated+trimak setups, but then I remembered that the Geddon doesn't actually have to move to deal wtfpwn damage. -Liang --
Nahzgul Senate and People of Rome	Posted - 2008.09.24 18:57:00 - [9] Call me old fashion but I always see a need for a mwd how else do u get back to gates or get away from other ships. Amarr are great because we can dictate range with our guns which requires an mwd.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.24 19:01:00 - [10] this the setup I use mostly for solo [Armageddon, dhp] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction Energy Burst Aerator I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Berserker II x5

Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:15:00 - [11] Edited by: Rajere on 24/09/2008 22:21:16 [Armageddon, Standard] Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Large 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction /OFFLINE Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 RAR is offline as a heatsink. If you're in a RR BS gang, switch your EANMII for another Adaptive Nano Plating II and then online the RAR. 110k EHP, 1172 DPS, 998DPS With Scorch. If you can't use megapulse II's yet for scorch, then your 8th highslot needs to be a Heavy Neut. You'll also have the spare cpu to upgrade both your Adaptive Nano Plates to EANM IIs for the record, Geddon has the lowest Sensor Strength of any Battleship, while also having only 3 mids, of which 1 must a Cap Injector and another pretty much needs to be a MWD (though you can get away with not fitting one, until it gets you killed). Every single poster in this thread has lost the right to complain about falcons for 1 week, hello2u 81% chance to be jammed. How to Fail at Eve
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:19:00 - [12] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 24/09/2008 22:19:28 HOLY CRAP Rajere, you're the first person I've ever seen on Eve-O fit the heatsink on EFT in the right place to maximize effectiveness. -Liang Ed: I do think most people fit them in the right place on their ships though... just not in EFT! --
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:26:00 - [13] I don't normally do that in EFT (since it makes it a pita to change all ammo on all guns at once), but the OP posted a triple 1600 plate, LARII fit, so I figured I'd do it like that for his benefit. How to Fail at Eve
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Liang Nuren Ed: I do think most people fit them in the right place on their ships though... just not in EFT! It's because it makes select all -> change ammo a pain. As for the ship: 1) Fit a MWD. The "M" stands for "Mandatory". Now laugh at all those stupid Megathron/Tempest/etc pilots as you MWD away from them and rip them apart without taking a shot in reply. 2) Fit locus rigs. Locus rigs are your friend. 90% of the time, they should be the first thing you add once you fit your MWD and pulse lasers. You should have at least two of them, if not three.
Not1k Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:39:00 - [15] Do people fit LAR with 3x 1600's so they dont have to pay money to repair it? Id probably use HS instead of LAR and go all passive/gank
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Merin Ryskin 2) Fit locus rigs. Locus rigs are your friend. 90% of the time, they should be the first thing you add once you fit your MWD and pulse lasers. You should have at least two of them, if not three. Hmm, I disagree. Not only are they tough to fit, but there's generally not much combat beyond 45km. Because the damage drop from AN MF to Scorch is rather minimal, it seems pretty pointless. Sure you might gain a few KM on your MF, but not enough. Your uber damage at every range makes you pretty much insta-primary anyway, at which point you should attempt to last as long as possible.
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:41:00 - [17] Edited by: Rajere on 24/09/2008 22:41:48 Locus rigs do not belong on a geddon, sry. Apoc obviously. Abaddon, sure, can see the benefit. Geddon? fail. If you would not switch your 1600 plates for Tracking Enhancer IIs on a pulse geddon, then you shouldn't switch trimarks for locus, for precisely the same reason. (hint: has something to do with the other in which battleships get called primary) edit: damn you astro stealing my thunder :/ How to Fail at Eve
Nahzgul Senate and People of Rome	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:53:00 - [18] I tend to agree that Loctus rigs dont' belong on a geddon or abaddon for that matter. Sure u have great range but scourch is arguable the best t2 ammo for a reason. Also with loctus rigs u will die to the first bs that lands on u in web range hands down.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.24 23:03:00 - [19] The reason you fit locus rigs on the Armageddon is because the Armageddon's role is "get as much damage as possible on the target, ASAP". It's a pure gank ship, and the locus rigs let you project your blasterthron-level dps out to absurd ranges. If you want tank, the Abbadon is the ship you are looking for. Put your trimarks to much better use there.
kessah Suicidal Tendencies Ltd	Posted - 2008.09.24 23:06:00 - [20] Solid Solo setup

Nahzgul Senate and People of Rome	Posted - 2008.09.24 23:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Merin Ryskin The reason you fit locus rigs on the Armageddon is because the Armageddon's role is "get as much damage as possible on the target, ASAP". It's a pure gank ship, and the locus rigs let you project your blasterthron-level dps out to absurd ranges. If you want tank, the Abbadon is the ship you are looking for. Put your trimarks to much better use there. Am I missing something? I'm pretty sure they don't make the laser beams reach the target faster.
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.24 23:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Nahzgul Am I missing something? I'm pretty sure they don't make the laser beams reach the target faster. Yes. You're missing that you no longer have to MWD to get into the right range to apply your full DPS. If you're camping the gate at 40km and they appear 25km on the other side, you're 65km out (and thus, IIRC, 45+10+10 out and doing 0 DPS). If you had fit locus rigs, you'd be doing (IIRC) 63km optimal and thus immediatly dropping 1000+ DPS on them. I would fit Trimarks on a Geddon. -Liang --
Yoko Lee Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.24 23:31:00 - [23] Edited by: Yoko Lee on 24/09/2008 23:32:31 Originally by: Liang Nuren I was going to ask how you people can stand triple plated+trimak setups, but then I remembered that the Geddon doesn't actually have to move to deal wtfpwn damage. -Liang you can tank and do good damage, maybe you fly to 0.0 system, but me, low secure, and my fit work pretty nice.
Nahzgul Senate and People of Rome	Posted - 2008.09.24 23:38:00 - [24] Edited by: Nahzgul on 24/09/2008 23:42:22 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Nahzgul Am I missing something? I'm pretty sure they don't make the laser beams reach the target faster. Yes. You're missing that you no longer have to MWD to get into the right range to apply your full DPS. If you're camping the gate at 40km and they appear 25km on the other side, you're 65km out (and thus, IIRC, 45+10+10 out and doing 0 DPS). If you had fit locus rigs, you'd be doing (IIRC) 63km optimal and thus immediatly dropping 1000+ DPS on them. I would fit Trimarks on a Geddon. -Liang Whats the point of camping 40k out? U can't scram much from that range and any bs is able to warp before u kill them I can see doint that to kill haulers or something but thats about it. edit: minmatar gates?
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.24 23:43:00 - [25] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 24/09/2008 23:44:50 Edited by: Liang Nuren on 24/09/2008 23:43:12 Originally by: Nahzgul Whats the point of camping 40k out? U can't scram much from that range and any bs is able to warp before u kill them I can see doint that to kill haulers or something but thats about it. I sincerely doubt that you're camping a gate solo in a battleship. Let's assume that you're not (since it borders upon stupid). Thus, there's someone on the gate to make sure that they don't run away from you. Then the point of camping 40 out is that you: 1) are not in a warp bubble [and I will call you silly for not fitting a MWD......] 2) Can be aligned and out of anyone's warp disruptor reach if the need arises 3) Are out of anyone else's immediate damage range (such as a Thron, Phoon, or Raven) Need I really go on? -Liang Ed: Yes, Minnie gates are another thing... I pirate in Metro lowsec and frequently jump with someone and see them appear between 30 and 60km away. --
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 23:51:00 - [26] Quote: The reason you fit locus rigs on the Armageddon is because the Armageddon's role is "get as much damage as possible on the target, ASAP". It's a pure gank ship, and the locus rigs let you project your blasterthron-level dps out to absurd ranges. If you want tank, the Abbadon is the ship you are looking for. Put your trimarks to much better use there. failtroll is fail. The geddon's role is to deal damage, period. Instapopping to muninn's and sht hinders it's ability to deal damage. You do not want to fit locus rigs on a geddon, if you need a gate camp ship or whatever the hell it is you're doing with your locus rigged geddons then I'd suggest the Pulse Apoc fit with nano's and istabs and a warp core stab or whatever so you can warp out at the first sign of danger. The geddon is the most popular RR BS for a reason, not only because it can deal high amounts of DPS, but also project that damage effectively at both close and mid ranges (20-50km), all while fitting a RAR and enough of an armor buffer to survive long enough to start receiving RR assistance from it's teammates. For some reason you believe it's worth sacrificing your buffer as long as you can get a single volley off before you melt. I will go on record to say that is by far, the most *****ed thing anyone has every said on these forums, ever, ever, ever. Please never post again. How to Fail at Eve
Nahzgul Senate and People of Rome	Posted - 2008.09.24 23:59:00 - [27] Edited by: Nahzgul on 25/09/2008 00:00:26 I sincerely doubt that you're camping a gate solo in a battleship. Let's assume that you're not (since it borders upon stupid). Thus, there's someone on the gate to make sure that they don't run away from you. Then the point of camping 40 out is that you: 1) are not in a warp bubble [and I will call you silly for not fitting a MWD......] 2) Can be aligned and out of anyone's warp disruptor reach if the need arises 3) Are out of anyone else's immediate damage range (such as a Thron, Phoon, or Raven) Need I really go on? -Liang I understand but I always fit an mwd I mean my post is a few up u can see and I believe the person suggesting loctus rigs also says mwd is mandatory. I think mostly low sec lately as thats where I get my pvp and being 40k off a gate limits my options if things go wrong. But if u live in 0.0 and often do bubble camps I can see the need for a geddon with locuts rigs I guess but I still think there are better options availiable for rigs. Edit: I fail at quoting sorry
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2008.09.25 00:09:00 - [28] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/09/2008 00:09:08 Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 24/09/2008 22:19:28 HOLY CRAP Rajere, you're the first person I've ever seen on Eve-O fit the heatsink on EFT in the right place to maximize effectiveness. -Liang Ed: I do think most people fit them in the right place on their ships though... just not in EFT! ...? Can someone clue me in on what's going on here? I've been gone for a while. What's Liang talking about? (Are you talking about overheating doing stuff to adjacent mods? IF so, yeah, don't know how that works yet. I just reactivated.)
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.25 00:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Nahzgul But if u live in 0.0 and often do bubble camps I can see the need for a geddon with locuts rigs I guess but I still think there are better options availiable for rigs. Edit: I fail at quoting sorry I don't disagree with you... I was just providing a rationale as to why you might want more range on your Geddon. But consider, for a moment, that it's not at all uncommon to hear suggestions that Minnie pilots fit Ambit rigs to their BS's. ;-) -Liang --
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.25 00:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv I've been gone for a while. What's Liang talking about? (Are you talking about overheating doing stuff to adjacent mods? IF so, yeah, don't know how that works yet. I just reactivated.) Yes, overheating damages adjacent modules... and thus you can use a "heat sink"/buffer to protect your modules from each other. It's better to have 4 / heatsink / 3 than 7 / heatsink because they'll start being destroyed -----> across the top instead of --> <-- across the top a bit later. Overheating is, btw, TOTALLY FTW. -Liang --

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